{"id":301410,"date":"2007-07-31T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-07-31T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/spiritual-foundations\/"},"modified":"2007-07-31T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2007-07-31T15:00:00","slug":"spiritual-foundations","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/spiritual-foundations\/","title":{"rendered":"Spiritual Foundations"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Like all young couples, Troy and Sara began their lives together full of hope.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2007-07-31.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"9.85M","filesize_raw":"10329996","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2805],"tags":[4963],"podcast_series":[7530],"cwp_profile":[9079],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301410","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-gods-plan-for-marriage","tag-starting-your-marriage","podcast_series-finding-homebuilders","cwp_profile-troy-and-sara-groves","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301410\/spiritual-foundations","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301410\/spiritual-foundations","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"ZZNQax4xWV\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/spiritual-foundations\/\">Spiritual Foundations<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/spiritual-foundations\/embed\/#?secret=ZZNQax4xWV\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Spiritual Foundations&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"ZZNQax4xWV\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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the Lord,\" and she was blessing those little girls, and I was watching the evidence of what God says in Deuteronomy 11 \u2013 you can choose to be a blessing or you can choose to be a curse.\u00a0 And she was saying I want to be a blessing to future generations, and she said, \"This stops here.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Sara sings \"Generations\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 That, of course, is Sara Groves.\u00a0 Some of our listeners will be familiar with not only that song but with her music since her songs have been played on a number of Christian radio stations all across the country, and that particular song is really based on what the Bible says in Deuteronomy, chapter 11, where it says that the choices we make can have an impact on the generations that come behind us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It's a CD entitled \"Conversations\" by Sara Groves, and the song is entitled \"Generations,\" and I just want to read \u2013 I'm not going to sing, Bob \u2013 I want to read the chorus one more time, because I really want to challenge listeners to live this out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"Remind me of this with every decision,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Generations will reap what I sow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I can pass on a curse or a blessing\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0To those I will never know.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Those words ought to be a challenge to us that our lives would become the doorway through which life would gain entrance to future generations rather than a doorway through which sin gains entrance to our families and to the generations that follow.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We don't just have the CD here in the studio with us today to play for our listeners.\u00a0 We actually have the songwriter and the singer with us today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We do \u2013 and her manager.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's right, her husband.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 Troy and Sara Groves join us on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Troy, Sara, welcome back to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You all have now been married since 1995.\u00a0 You shared on yesterday's program how you went through a newly married class and how that Homebuilders Bible study that you went through gave you a foundation.\u00a0 What we didn't hear, Bob, was the love story that preceded the newly married couple.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I want to ask you, Troy, when did she catch your eye at Evangel College in Springfield, Missouri?\u00a0 No, Bob, this takes me back to my stomping grounds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right up the road from Ozark, isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 A lot of fine folks who are a graduate of Evangel College.\u00a0 Do you remember the first time you saw her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I saw a picture of her.\u00a0 I was in her father's office.\u00a0 He's the campus pastor at the school, and I saw a picture of her \u2013 it must have been her senior picture.\u00a0 She was a year younger than me.\u00a0 I was a freshman at the school, and I saw a picture on his desk or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you had your eye on her even before she started attending.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I guess so, I guess so, but that stuck in my mind and then a year later, the first day of school a year later was her freshman year, my sophomore year.\u00a0 We ended up in the same group eating dinner or something, do you remember that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Mm-hm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0And just thought, \"What a nice, funny, girl, and what a catch that would be.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So we actually went out on our first date that year, maybe halfway into that school year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You waited that long to ask her out?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Well, yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It is Evangel College.\u00a0 They try to do things decently and in order there, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Did you ask the campus pastor's permission for this date?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0No, no, no.\u00a0 But our second date was three years later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0He's a real slow mover, isn't he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0She blew me off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0He says I blew him off.\u00a0 I think he never called me back.\u00a0 He says he called me back, and I had my calendar full.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Is that right?\u00a0 Was your first date a memorable \u2013 you thought, \"He's a really nice boy, and I hope he calls me back?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0I did.\u00a0 It was very memorable.\u00a0 His friends followed us the entire night, and when we came out of dinner, they had covered his car in Oreo cookies.\u00a0 They'd opened them up and smushed Oreo cookies all over his car.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So I thought, \"This is a real mature fellow and nice friends,\" and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hold it, hold it, Troy, what kind of friends do you run around with?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I don't know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Smashing Oreo cookies on your car?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yes, and I think they wrapped it in toilet paper as well.\u00a0 So it was a mess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It didn't make a big impression on Sara?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, then, what happened three years later when \u2013 because you're graduating from college at this point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I'm getting ready, it's my last year, and I kind of hung back and waited until she'd had the rest, and now she can have the best.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Okay, Sara, so what's the rest of the story?\u00a0 How did he grab your heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Oh, we'd been friends for a while, and I was sort of down on myself because I was not a boyfriend kind of girl.\u00a0 I'd never had a real steady boyfriend, and I was just \u2013 I felt like I was still young.\u00a0 I don't know, I wasn't really ready to get real committed, but I was hard on myself.\u00a0 Instead of thinking I haven't found the right one yet, I always thought, \"I'm just miserable at relationships.\u00a0 I'm just a failure.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so I decided my junior year, I was really down on myself.\u00a0 I'd had some conversations with my sister and I said, \"You know, the next one, I'm going to make it work,\" no matter what.\u00a0 Don't ever do that, but I was going to force it or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I went out with this really \u2013 this guy was kind of asking me out, and he was super handsome, a real built kind of guy, and all the girls liked him.\u00a0 So I thought, \"You know what?\u00a0 I should like him,\" and I did, but we didn't have a whole lot in common, really.\u00a0 And Troy was my good friend, and he would just say, you know, \"I can see he's a beautiful guy, handsome and all that.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Did I say beautiful?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0I don't think you said \"beautiful\" \u2013 \"He's a handsome guy, but what do you guys have in common?\u00a0 What do you talk about?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So we were at a school function, and I was in student council, and I looked up \u2013 there were always girls around this guy.\u00a0 He was real popular with all the girls, and I look up, and we'd been going out for about a month or so, and he has a girl on each arm, on each bicep, and he's lifting them up off the ground, you know, like, \"rrrrooooor,\" he's lifting them up off the ground.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I look across the room at Troy, you know, and he's kind of like poking fun, you know, he's making muffled \"rrrooooor,\" you know, and so I look back again, and I was kind of giving Troy the look, you know, \"Knock it off, I'm making this work,\" and I look up again, and I \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0My one successful relationship, and he's trying to undermine this thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0I'm trying to have a good relationship, and so I look over again, and this guy, he had just finished off a Coke, and he slammed it back, and he went, \"Rooooorrrrr,\" and he smashed the can on his forehead, and I look over at Troy, and Troy is rolling on the floor.\u00a0 I mean, he's just dying laughing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so the next day at lunch, I sat down, I was sitting by myself, and Troy and his best friend came and sat down across from me, and I didn't notice that they had Styrofoam cups of milk on their trays.\u00a0 We finished lunch, at the end of lunch, they both picked up their Styrofoam cups of milk, slammed them back, went \"Roooorrrrhh,\" and smashed their Styrofoam cups on their head, and my heart went pitter-patter and I thought, \"I want to marry the Styrofoam cup guy.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0This is strange.\u00a0 First, it was the Oreos, and now it's milk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Cookies and milk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, a milk-and-cookies [inaudible].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0You know, Troy always snuck up on me.\u00a0 He was always there in my life, you know, for three or four years, and he just was consistent.\u00a0 He's a good friend, he's a good guy, and I woke up one day and said, \"I don't enjoy anyone's company more than his.\u00a0 I just enjoy his company so much,\" and that was the end.\u00a0 When we started dating \u2013 that was May we started going out, and by Thanksgiving, in my heart, I knew I wanted to marry him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you ended up getting married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And you started out your marriage in the Homebuilders class.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And it was taught by a former baseball player?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Correct.\u00a0 Dick Stigman was a former Minnesota Twins pitcher, and his wife, Patty, and they taught this class, and they had been through a lot, the two of them and were saved after they were married and had many children.\u00a0 I think they have nine kids and came to the Lord, and it was just on their heart to \"Let's model this.\u00a0 Let's teach these principles.\u00a0 Let's do this for others.\"\u00a0 And we've benefited from them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You went through how many studies?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0We did three complete studies and started a fourth.\u00a0 The first one was \"Building Your Marriage,\" which is all about becoming one and how you are one person.\u00a0 That one was great because the basic principle is when you hurt your mate, you hurt yourself, and when you help your mate, you help yourself.\u00a0 And I think that principle has guided me on many occasions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The second one we did was \"Building Your Mate's Self-Esteem,\" and that one was awesome because we did a lot of history-building with each other, talking about our families and where we come from and language and how you build each other up and how you invest in each other and not bankrupt the other person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Then we did the financial \u2013 what's the financial study?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\"Mastering Money in Your Marriage.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0\"Mastering Money in Your Marriage,\" and that was, again, you need those tools as a newlywed couple spending money together for the first time and coming from two completely different backgrounds.\u00a0 My father is a wonderful man but completely frugal.\u00a0 His father is an extremely successful businessman, so we were coming from two different countries, and my thoughts about money were \u2013 I kind of operated out of fear, and he \u2013 you know, you have to spend money to make money, he was coming from that place, and so it was really great for us to get on the same page financially.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And you went through those three studies all in what length of time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0We went slow.\u00a0 I mean, we would be, like, on one page for weeks.\u00a0 We had no \u2013 and that was kind of how the class was structured for us, was as long as people are talking, and this is getting through to people, let's just stay on it.\u00a0 And that was great for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0We did three books in about three years.\u00a0 Yeah, we did the three books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0By comparison, I just want our listeners to know that these books are designed to be completed in about six weeks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right, six to eight sessions is pretty typical, but if you get into it, and if you're with couples who will be transparent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Share a little bit about one of the side benefits of Homebuilders that I think most people underestimate their need for, and that's friendships.\u00a0 You don't realize when you're going through this small group study that you really are forging some kindred spirit friendships with other couples \u2013 some of those relationships will last for a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0They will, yes.\u00a0 We work very closely with a couple from our marriage class in our ministry.\u00a0 He's on our board, and he helps us \u2013 he's the financial planning, and he helps us a lot with our making good decisions with our family, with our ministry, with our money, and, yes, those relationships are lifelong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There is such a feeling of goodwill in that classroom.\u00a0 We shared so much together, so much personal information and things, that people we've really \u2013 outside of that class probably would not have been drawn to necessarily, but it was a really neat group, and we've actually just recently talked about a reunion, you know, having sort of a reunion now five years later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When we started having kids, and everyone started getting to a different place in life, you know, the class started to \u2013 people said, \"Maybe we want to go into some other Sunday school classes and things.\"\u00a0 We weren't really newlyweds anymore after three years, but the class grew up together.\u00a0 We spent three years sharing our most personal experiences with each other and, it was, it was \u2013 those are friendships that we'll have forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So many times couples can get isolated from one another in a marriage, but it's also the case that a husband and wife, as a unit, can become isolated from other couples, and that can be negative on a marriage relationship.\u00a0 It's good for you to have the other couples around.\u00a0 In fact, I was thinking about the song that you wrote where you kind of envision everybody going camping together, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Sara sings \"Every Minute\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Troy, there are some women who are listening right now who would love to get their husband in a Homebuilders group, but they're going, \"No way, Jose.\"\u00a0 Speak to the wife who is maybe married to that man who \u2013 well, she does find it difficult to interest him in some kind of Bible study around marriage relationships.\u00a0 What would you say to her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I think, in our home, there wasn't a lot of emotional discussion going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0When you were growing up there wasn't?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you married a songwriter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I married an emotional one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Who really sings from the heart, and now you're hearing a whole new language yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yes, and I was \u2013 on a weekly basis, I was getting my tail kicked.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Not by your wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0No, by the Lord, by honesty, by truth, and loving it \u2013 loving just the whole aspect of just learning more about myself and opening up these other doors in my heart and everything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But, no, going into it, I had no idea what I was in for, and it was fun, and we laughed a ton, and it was great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I think there are a lot of guys who hear about a group like a Homebuilders group or a couples' Sunday school class, and they think, \"Oh, I know what this is going to be.\u00a0 This is going to be all the wives in a group, on the husbands \u2013 this is their chance to vent and talk about how lousy he is and what's wrong with him and\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0No.\u00a0 That's what I was just going to say \u2013 I sound like a commercial \u2013 I'll be your commercial \u2013 the books do a great job of leading you both into self-confession and truth, and the way the books are set up help you keep that balance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so with that in place \u2013 that we weren't on the attack.\u00a0 It wasn't about attacking.\u00a0 We both wanted better things for our marriage.\u00a0 Let's find out how we get there, and I thought the book did a really good job in leading both people into looking at the error of their ways \u2013 the woman tends to be passive\/aggressive.\u00a0 You need to communicate better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Something just dawned on me, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but that class was eight years ago, and there were anywhere from, like, 15 to 20 couples in the class at the time and week after week.\u00a0 I can't name any of them that are divorced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0No, or even troubled.\u00a0 I feel like, yeah, I mean, that's amazing because right when we got married \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0\u2026 a number of friends I grew up with \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0\u2026 we have a number of friends got divorced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0The number of weddings we've been in within an eight-year span, you would think that \u2013 I mean \u2013 the average is \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, it goes back to the whole issue of a spiritual foundation for a marriage.\u00a0 You talked yesterday about the house built on the rock versus the house built on the sand.\u00a0 Storms are going to come in every relationship.\u00a0 The question is what you build on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right, and Homebuilders is effective because of three things \u2013 number one, it's built on the Scripture and around the person of Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Number two, it is highly relational and gives people with a fast-paced lifestyle a chance to stop and connect not only spouse-to-spouse but couple-to-couple \u2013 get to know some people around something other than the latest sports of the weather or children.\u00a0 It gives you a chance to truly get to know someone on a more intimate level.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, third, it's effective because it moves couples to practical application of the Scriptures.\u00a0 There are make-a-dates where couples go out on a date.\u00a0 You guys are nodding your heads.\u00a0 You had a few of those make-a-dates over that three-year period, and it builds the Scripture into the life of a couple in a very pragmatic way.\u00a0 It's not just a theoretical study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Bob, I just want to throw out a challenge \u2013 a twofold challenge.\u00a0 First of all, to the younger married couples who have been married less than five years.\u00a0 I'd like to challenge you to go to an older couple in your church who have maybe been married 10, 15, 20 years or longer and challenge them to step into the life of a number of you younger couples and to lead this Bible study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0The younger couples go to the older couples and say, \"Would you lead us through this material\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Our friends and us so that we could get this foundation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right, and the older couple is going to say, \"We can't really teach you.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We don't have anything \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We're not qualified, we're not trained, but the reality is, if they've been married 20 years, they have 20 years of training, no doubt about it.\u00a0 Their mistakes may be their greatest spiritual lessons that they pass on to the younger generation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0My second challenge is to that group, though, the older married couples who have been married 10, 15, 20 or more years.\u00a0 You know, you talked about a baseball player from Minnesota who, out of their brokenness, out of their own trouble, started a class in a church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Bob, I think if we're going to see families rebuilt and see a generation of young couples do what happened with the 15 to 20 couples that Troy and Sara have talked about today, if we're going to see that many not get a divorce, well, you have to have a foundation.\u00a0 You have to start out headed in the right direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And you, as an older generation, can do that.\u00a0 You can step in and teach this class.\u00a0 You don't have to commit to three years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You don't have to wait for the younger couple to come to you and invite you to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0No, we've done the research.\u00a0 We know the younger couples want to come.\u00a0 So hang a sign out at your church, have it in your home, bake some cookies, and you will not believe how much couples want to talk today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's interesting \u2013 a lot of couples report back to us that they invited some friends over for one of these studies, and they had no idea that these friends were in a tough spot in their marriage, and Homebuilders was one of the tools God used to help bring that issue out in the open and help get it dealt with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So you never know what kind of an impact you might be having in some other couple's life just by inviting them to be a part of one of these groups.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0During the month of August, we are making our Homebuilders studies available to our listeners at a discounted rate, and you can go on our website for all the details about that, but here is a great opportunity for you to save money as you order these study guides.\u00a0 And, again, the information is on our website at FamilyLife.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When you get to the home page, you can click a red button that says, \"Go,\" and it will take you right to an area of the site where there is more information about the August sale on the Homebuilders Couples Series.\u00a0 There is also a list of different titles that are available.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The website, again, is FamilyLife.com, and you want to click the red button you see in the center of the screen that says \"Go,\" and that will take you right to the area of the site where the information is available, and you can order online, if you'd like, and we hope you'll get a group together and plan to go through this material this fall.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I'm thinking back to where we began our program today with a song that you recorded a number of years ago, Sara, that reflects on the fact that the decisions we make in our marriages and our families today do have an impact on future generations.\u00a0 And now, as you and Troy are a mom and a dad, you're really seeing this firsthand.\u00a0 You're consciously aware that the decisions the two of you make are going to have an impact on your boys, aren't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Absolutely.\u00a0 You know, I wrote this song before I had kids.\u00a0 We were newlyweds, and I had a girlfriend growing up.\u00a0 She'd had seven fathers, her mom had been married seven times, and her life, and the effects of those different relationships and the brokenness of her home and all that was tremendous, it was just so painful, and she'd sort of become a surrogate member of our family.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I had just visited her in my hometown, and she had two little girls, and she had said, \"Enough.\"\u00a0 She said, \"As for me and my house, we are going to serve the Lord,\" and she was blessing those little girls, and I was watching the evidence of what God says in Deuteronomy 11 \u2013 you can choose to be a blessing or you can choose to be a curse.\u00a0 And she was saying I want to be a blessing to future generations, and she said, \"This stops here.\u00a0 This stops with me.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And those two girls are beautiful, and they're sweet, and she has created a home and a marriage, and she is working harder than I will ever have to work because she doesn't even have the history or the tools to work with.\u00a0 But by the grace of Jesus Christ, she said, \"I am going to make my family better.\u00a0 I am going to work to this end.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I was so inspired by her in that visit that this song was born out of that and just thinking, \"Yeah, you know, my job is just not to blow it.\"\u00a0 I come from a tradition of faith as far back as we can remember, and my job is to just continue to humble my heart and my family before the Lord and to pass on those things that are so important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Sara sings \"Generations\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of 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for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 That, of course, is Sara Groves.\u00a0 Some of our listeners will be familiar with not only that song but with her music since her songs have been played on a number of Christian radio stations all across the country, and that particular song is really based on what the Bible says in Deuteronomy, chapter 11, where it says that the choices we make can have an impact on the generations that come behind us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It's a CD entitled \"Conversations\" by Sara Groves, and the song is entitled \"Generations,\" and I just want to read \u2013 I'm not going to sing, Bob \u2013 I want to read the chorus one more time, because I really want to challenge listeners to live this out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"Remind me of this with every decision,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Generations will reap what I sow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I can pass on a curse or a blessing\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0To those I will never know.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Those words ought to be a challenge to us that our lives would become the doorway through which life would gain entrance to future generations rather than a doorway through which sin gains entrance to our families and to the generations that follow.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We don't just have the CD here in the studio with us today to play for our listeners.\u00a0 We actually have the songwriter and the singer with us today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We do \u2013 and her manager.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's right, her husband.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 Troy and Sara Groves join us on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Troy, Sara, welcome back to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You all have now been married since 1995.\u00a0 You shared on yesterday's program how you went through a newly married class and how that Homebuilders Bible study that you went through gave you a foundation.\u00a0 What we didn't hear, Bob, was the love story that preceded the newly married couple.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I want to ask you, Troy, when did she catch your eye at Evangel College in Springfield, Missouri?\u00a0 No, Bob, this takes me back to my stomping grounds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right up the road from Ozark, isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 A lot of fine folks who are a graduate of Evangel College.\u00a0 Do you remember the first time you saw her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I saw a picture of her.\u00a0 I was in her father's office.\u00a0 He's the campus pastor at the school, and I saw a picture of her \u2013 it must have been her senior picture.\u00a0 She was a year younger than me.\u00a0 I was a freshman at the school, and I saw a picture on his desk or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you had your eye on her even before she started attending.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I guess so, I guess so, but that stuck in my mind and then a year later, the first day of school a year later was her freshman year, my sophomore year.\u00a0 We ended up in the same group eating dinner or something, do you remember that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Mm-hm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0And just thought, \"What a nice, funny, girl, and what a catch that would be.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So we actually went out on our first date that year, maybe halfway into that school year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You waited that long to ask her out?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Well, yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It is Evangel College.\u00a0 They try to do things decently and in order there, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Did you ask the campus pastor's permission for this date?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0No, no, no.\u00a0 But our second date was three years later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0He's a real slow mover, isn't he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0She blew me off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0He says I blew him off.\u00a0 I think he never called me back.\u00a0 He says he called me back, and I had my calendar full.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Is that right?\u00a0 Was your first date a memorable \u2013 you thought, \"He's a really nice boy, and I hope he calls me 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myself.\u00a0 I'd had some conversations with my sister and I said, \"You know, the next one, I'm going to make it work,\" no matter what.\u00a0 Don't ever do that, but I was going to force it or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I went out with this really \u2013 this guy was kind of asking me out, and he was super handsome, a real built kind of guy, and all the girls liked him.\u00a0 So I thought, \"You know what?\u00a0 I should like him,\" and I did, but we didn't have a whole lot in common, really.\u00a0 And Troy was my good friend, and he would just say, you know, \"I can see he's a beautiful guy, handsome and all that.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Did I say beautiful?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0I don't think you said \"beautiful\" \u2013 \"He's a handsome guy, but what do you guys have in common?\u00a0 What do you talk about?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So we were at a school function, and I was in student 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smashed the can on his forehead, and I look over at Troy, and Troy is rolling on the floor.\u00a0 I mean, he's just dying laughing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so the next day at lunch, I sat down, I was sitting by myself, and Troy and his best friend came and sat down across from me, and I didn't notice that they had Styrofoam cups of milk on their trays.\u00a0 We finished lunch, at the end of lunch, they both picked up their Styrofoam cups of milk, slammed them back, went \"Roooorrrrhh,\" and smashed their Styrofoam cups on their head, and my heart went pitter-patter and I thought, \"I want to marry the Styrofoam cup guy.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0This is strange.\u00a0 First, it was the Oreos, and now it's milk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Cookies and milk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, a milk-and-cookies [inaudible].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0You know, Troy always snuck up on me.\u00a0 He was always there in my life, you know, for three or four years, and he just was consistent.\u00a0 He's a good friend, he's a good guy, and I woke up one day and said, \"I don't enjoy anyone's company more than his.\u00a0 I just enjoy his company so much,\" and that was the end.\u00a0 When we started dating \u2013 that was May we started going out, and by Thanksgiving, in my heart, I knew I wanted to marry him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you ended up getting married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And you started out your marriage in the Homebuilders class.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And it was taught by a former baseball player?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Correct.\u00a0 Dick Stigman was a former Minnesota Twins pitcher, and his wife, Patty, and they taught this class, and they had been through a lot, the two of them and were saved after they were married and had many children.\u00a0 I think they have nine kids and came to the Lord, and it was just on their heart to \"Let's model this.\u00a0 Let's teach these principles.\u00a0 Let's do this for others.\"\u00a0 And we've benefited from them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You went through how many studies?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0We did three complete studies and started a fourth.\u00a0 The first one was \"Building Your Marriage,\" which is all about becoming one and how you are one person.\u00a0 That one was great because the basic principle is when you hurt your mate, you hurt yourself, and when you help your mate, you help yourself.\u00a0 And I think that principle has guided me on many occasions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The second one we did was \"Building Your Mate's Self-Esteem,\" and that one was awesome because we did a lot of history-building with each other, talking about our families and where we come from and language and how you build each other up and how you invest in each other and not bankrupt the other person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Then we did the financial \u2013 what's the financial study?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\"Mastering Money in Your Marriage.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0\"Mastering Money in Your Marriage,\" and that was, again, you need those tools as a newlywed couple spending money together for the first time and coming from two completely different backgrounds.\u00a0 My father is a wonderful man but completely frugal.\u00a0 His father is an extremely successful businessman, so we were coming from two different countries, and my thoughts about money were \u2013 I kind of operated out of fear, and he \u2013 you know, you have to spend money to make money, he was coming from that place, and so it was really great for us to get on the same page financially.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And you went through those three studies all in what length of time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0We went slow.\u00a0 I mean, we would be, like, on one page for weeks.\u00a0 We had no \u2013 and that was kind of how the class was structured for us, was as long as people are talking, and this is getting through to people, let's just stay on it.\u00a0 And that was great for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0We did three books in about three years.\u00a0 Yeah, we did the three books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0By comparison, I just want our listeners to know that these books are designed to be completed in about six weeks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right, six to eight sessions is pretty typical, but if you get into it, and if you're with couples who will be transparent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Share a little bit about one of the side benefits of Homebuilders that I think most people underestimate their need for, and that's friendships.\u00a0 You don't realize when you're going through this small group study that you really are forging some kindred spirit friendships with other couples \u2013 some of those relationships will last for a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0They will, yes.\u00a0 We work very closely with a couple from our marriage class in our ministry.\u00a0 He's on our board, and he helps us \u2013 he's the financial planning, and he helps us a lot with our making good decisions with our family, with our ministry, with our money, and, yes, those relationships are lifelong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There is such a feeling of goodwill in that classroom.\u00a0 We shared so much together, so much personal information and things, that people we've really \u2013 outside of that class probably would not have been drawn to necessarily, but it was a really neat group, and we've actually just recently talked about a reunion, you know, having sort of a reunion now five years later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When we started having kids, and everyone started getting to a different place in life, you know, the class started to \u2013 people said, \"Maybe we want to go into some other Sunday school classes and things.\"\u00a0 We weren't really newlyweds anymore after three years, but the class grew up together.\u00a0 We spent three years sharing our most personal experiences with each other and, it was, it was \u2013 those are friendships that we'll have forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So many times couples can get isolated from one another in a marriage, but it's also the case that a husband and wife, as a unit, can become isolated from other couples, and that can be negative on a marriage relationship.\u00a0 It's good for you to have the other couples around.\u00a0 In fact, I was thinking about the song that you wrote where you kind of envision everybody going camping together, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Sara sings \"Every Minute\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Troy, there are some women who are listening right now who would love to get their husband in a Homebuilders group, but they're going, \"No way, Jose.\"\u00a0 Speak to the wife who is maybe married to that man who \u2013 well, she does find it difficult to interest him in some kind of Bible study around marriage relationships.\u00a0 What would you say to her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I think, in our home, there wasn't a lot of emotional discussion going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0When you were growing up there wasn't?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you married a songwriter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0I married an emotional one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Who really sings from the heart, and now you're hearing a whole new language yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Yes, and I was \u2013 on a weekly basis, I was getting my tail kicked.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Not by your wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0No, by the Lord, by honesty, by truth, and loving it \u2013 loving just the whole aspect of just learning more about myself and opening up these other doors in my heart and everything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But, no, going into it, I had no idea what I was in for, and it was fun, and we laughed a ton, and it was great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I think there are a lot of guys who hear about a group like a Homebuilders group or a couples' Sunday school class, and they think, \"Oh, I know what this is going to be.\u00a0 This is going to be all the wives in a group, on the husbands \u2013 this is their chance to vent and talk about how lousy he is and what's wrong with him and\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0No.\u00a0 That's what I was just going to say \u2013 I sound like a commercial \u2013 I'll be your commercial \u2013 the books do a great job of leading you both into self-confession and truth, and the way the books are set up help you keep that balance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so with that in place \u2013 that we weren't on the attack.\u00a0 It wasn't about attacking.\u00a0 We both wanted better things for our marriage.\u00a0 Let's find out how we get there, and I thought the book did a really good job in leading both people into looking at the error of their ways \u2013 the woman tends to be passive\/aggressive.\u00a0 You need to communicate better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0Something just dawned on me, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but that class was eight years ago, and there were anywhere from, like, 15 to 20 couples in the class at the time and week after week.\u00a0 I can't name any of them that are divorced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0No, or even troubled.\u00a0 I feel like, yeah, I mean, that's amazing because right when we got married \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0\u2026 a number of friends I grew up with \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0\u2026 we have a number of friends got divorced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTroy:\u00a0The number of weddings we've been in within an eight-year span, you would think that \u2013 I mean \u2013 the average is \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, it goes back to the whole issue of a spiritual foundation for a marriage.\u00a0 You talked yesterday about the house built on the rock versus the house built on the sand.\u00a0 Storms are going to come in every relationship.\u00a0 The question is what you build on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right, and Homebuilders is effective because of three things \u2013 number one, it's built on the Scripture and around the person of Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Number two, it is highly relational and gives people with a fast-paced lifestyle a chance to stop and connect not only spouse-to-spouse but couple-to-couple \u2013 get to know some people around something other than the latest sports of the weather or children.\u00a0 It gives you a chance to truly get to know someone on a more intimate level.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, third, it's effective because it moves couples to practical application of the Scriptures.\u00a0 There are make-a-dates where couples go out on a date.\u00a0 You guys are nodding your heads.\u00a0 You had a few of those make-a-dates over that three-year period, and it builds the Scripture into the life of a couple in a very pragmatic way.\u00a0 It's not just a theoretical study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Bob, I just want to throw out a challenge \u2013 a twofold challenge.\u00a0 First of all, to the younger married couples who have been married less than five years.\u00a0 I'd like to challenge you to go to an older couple in your church who have maybe been married 10, 15, 20 years or longer and challenge them to step into the life of a number of you younger couples and to lead this Bible study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0The younger couples go to the older couples and say, \"Would you lead us through this material\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Our friends and us so that we could get this foundation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right, and the older couple is going to say, \"We can't really teach you.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We don't have anything \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We're not qualified, we're not trained, but the reality is, if they've been married 20 years, they have 20 years of training, no doubt about it.\u00a0 Their mistakes may be their greatest spiritual lessons that they pass on to the younger generation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0My second challenge is to that group, though, the older married couples who have been married 10, 15, 20 or more years.\u00a0 You know, you talked about a baseball player from Minnesota who, out of their brokenness, out of their own trouble, started a class in a church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Bob, I think if we're going to see families rebuilt and see a generation of young couples do what happened with the 15 to 20 couples that Troy and Sara have talked about today, if we're going to see that many not get a divorce, well, you have to have a foundation.\u00a0 You have to start out headed in the right direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And you, as an older generation, can do that.\u00a0 You can step in and teach this class.\u00a0 You don't have to commit to three years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You don't have to wait for the younger couple to come to you and invite you to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0No, we've done the research.\u00a0 We know the younger couples want to come.\u00a0 So hang a sign out at your church, have it in your home, bake some cookies, and you will not believe how much couples want to talk today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's interesting \u2013 a lot of couples report back to us that they invited some friends over for one of these studies, and they had no idea that these friends were in a tough spot in their marriage, and Homebuilders was one of the tools God used to help bring that issue out in the open and help get it dealt with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So you never know what kind of an impact you might be having in some other couple's life just by inviting them to be a part of one of these groups.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0During the month of August, we are making our Homebuilders studies available to our listeners at a discounted rate, and you can go on our website for all the details about that, but here is a great opportunity for you to save money as you order these study guides.\u00a0 And, again, the information is on our website at FamilyLife.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When you get to the home page, you can click a red button that says, \"Go,\" and it will take you right to an area of the site where there is more information about the August sale on the Homebuilders Couples Series.\u00a0 There is also a list of different titles that are available.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The website, again, is FamilyLife.com, and you want to click the red button you see in the center of the screen that says \"Go,\" and that will take you right to the area of the site where the information is available, and you can order online, if you'd like, and we hope you'll get a group together and plan to go through this material this fall.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I'm thinking back to where we began our program today with a song that you recorded a number of years ago, Sara, that reflects on the fact that the decisions we make in our marriages and our families today do have an impact on future generations.\u00a0 And now, as you and Troy are a mom and a dad, you're really seeing this firsthand.\u00a0 You're consciously aware that the decisions the two of you make are going to have an impact on your boys, aren't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Absolutely.\u00a0 You know, I wrote this song before I had kids.\u00a0 We were newlyweds, and I had a girlfriend growing up.\u00a0 She'd had seven fathers, her mom had been married seven times, and her life, and the effects of those different relationships and the brokenness of her home and all that was tremendous, it was just so painful, and she'd sort of become a surrogate member of our family.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I had just visited her in my hometown, and she had two little girls, and she had said, \"Enough.\"\u00a0 She said, \"As for me and my house, we are going to serve the Lord,\" and she was blessing those little girls, and I was watching the evidence of what God says in Deuteronomy 11 \u2013 you can choose to be a blessing or you can choose to be a curse.\u00a0 And she was saying I want to be a blessing to future generations, and she said, \"This stops here.\u00a0 This stops with me.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And those two girls are beautiful, and they're sweet, and she has created a home and a marriage, and she is working harder than I will ever have to work because she doesn't even have the history or the tools to work with.\u00a0 But by the grace of Jesus Christ, she said, \"I am going to make my family better.\u00a0 I am going to work to this end.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I was so inspired by her in that visit that this song was born out of that and just thinking, \"Yeah, you know, my job is just not to blow it.\"\u00a0 I come from a tradition of faith as far back as we can remember, and my job is to just continue to humble my heart and my family before the Lord and to pass on those things that are so important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Sara sings \"Generations\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t____________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts for you. 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