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theme]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0[echo chamber] We turn it on, we watch in mindlessly, it's a habit.\u00a0 I know.\u00a0 I've been guilty of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0[as Rod Serling] You might think of Dennis Rainey as a spellbreaker, a man who breaks the spell of the blue glow on the face of families during the month of August.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0[in echo chamber] I just think it's good for the month of August to find some other ways to occupy your mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0[as Rod Serling] The question is \u2013 how many people will stay zoned out in August, or how many people will join Mr. Dennis Rainey on his campaign?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[spooky music]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0How did you like that?\u00a0 That's pretty good, huh?\u00a0 Welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Wednesday \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, Bob, have you read \u2013 I'm reading my Bible in anticipation of where we're headed over the next month here on FamilyLife Today, and what we're calling people to do.\u00a0 It's found \u2013 the Bible verse is found \u2013 Hezekiah 3:5.\u00a0 Now, some of our listeners are not going to know where that is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Because it's not in their Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It's, it's \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0There is no Hezekiah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0There isn't, but if there was, here it would be \u2013 \"Thou shalt not whine.\"\u00a0 Thou shalt not whine, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Is that I've been sounding like?\u00a0 Like I'm whining?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob \u2013 every year we do a fast from TV, encourage our listeners \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 yes \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 to turn off the TV, read a good book, talk, walk \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 yes \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 spend time together, take drives together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Somebody thought this was a great idea, and so we're doing it, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I thought it was a great idea, and I have continued to champion this cause, because you know what?\u00a0 We all need it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So we're going to take a break next month from TV, and you're recommending we find other things to do, and one of those things is read some good books, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I think read good books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We've already heard from Mark Hamby this week, who has been on the radio program with us.\u00a0 He's talked about some of the classics that come from 100 years ago, great Christian literature that you can read with your kids, and I thought, \"Okay, that sounds like fun.\"\u00a0 I can see sitting around and reading some of those books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Sitting around, yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Sitting around, nothing else to do, you know, it's after dinner, and you look at each other and go, \"What are we going to do tonight?\"\u00a0 \"Let's read another book,\" hey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0There you go, isn't this going to be fun?\u00a0 But you know what?\u00a0 It is going to be a fun month, and I promised our listeners if you do this, by the end of the month you will probably have missed the TV, yeah, that's going to be true but, you know, when you turn it back on, I think you're going to be a little astounded at kind of what's coming at your family all the time and how much time you do spent in front of the television.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, here is the thing \u2013 I've had these people telling me that I should watch \"Lost.\"\u00a0 I've never watched \"Lost.\"\u00a0 Have you ever watched any \"Lost?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Sorry, I've not see \"Lost.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So I had set aside as the \u2013 that was going to be the month that I was going to catch up on all of the past episodes of \"Lost.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Oh, so you were going to put it on your DVR \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I was just going to rent the boxed set and just kind of veg out on \"Lost\" the whole month, but I guess I'm out of that whole deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0No, no, no.\u00a0 In fact, what we want to do is we want to make some phone calls to some special friends\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I've been doing this already.\u00a0 I've been calling some people and just saying \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Trying to get them on your side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I need you to recommend \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's not going to work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Trying to find a good book that I can read during the month of August, do you have any recommendations?\u00a0 And so I thought, \"Well, we'll just call some folks on our program and see what they would recommend not just to me but for our listeners.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And let our listeners listen in and kind of hear what other folks are reading.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So we've got \u2013 I think we've got Sara Groves, who is on the line with us, and I think some of our listeners will know Sara is a recording artist.\u00a0 She and her husband Troy have been on FamilyLife Today, in fact, 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room was Sara Groves over and over and over again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0I'm sorry about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Showing your trip to \u2013 where was it you went in Africa?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0To Rwanda.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It had to be amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0It was incredible, it was incredible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Did it change your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Life-changing, yes, very much so.\u00a0 That's kind of what that video is about \u2013 Soccer mom wakes up to the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So what's the action point out of that trip for you and your ministry?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Oh, man, there have been a few.\u00a0 I have been working with International Justice Mission the last year and a half.\u00a0 Gary Haugen was on that trip, and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We're big fans of Gary and that ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Yes, and, actually, I just heard \u2013 well, we were \u2013 talking about adoption, we're expecting a baby in about two months here.\u00a0 I had just gone to a seminar and then found out I was expecting \u2013 surprise \u2013 this is my third.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, congratulations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Thank you.\u00a0 So we \u2013 what I'd love to communicate, and I'm trying to communicate with music is the privilege of being involved in these stories.\u00a0 I mean, it really is deeply lifegiving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So I'm guessing \"Terrified No More,\" might be on your book list for this summer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Definitely, either one, I mean, I have such a \u2013 I have a long list, but that or \"The Good News About Injustice.\"\u00a0 Both of those really shaped my worldview about justice and God's heart for justice, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0To be able to touch the lives of those who can't repay you, could never begin to express their appreciation for what you've done, you know, I'm glad to hear your ministry has taken on this flavor and this emphasis.\u00a0 In fact, maybe what we can do, Bob, when we talk about the needs of orphans and adoption and foster care next November, maybe we can talk a little bit to Sara and maybe her husband just about their ministry and what's going on there and how they're using music to really talk about how the body of Christ needs to step forward and get on the field here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, then she'd really have to adopt, though, wouldn't she?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, it sounded like she was moving in that direction already.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0We're talking \u2013 we hope that's part of our story at some point and until our latest surprise here, we were moving in that direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0What else is on your summer reading list, or your recommended list, that you'd give for our listeners?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0You know, I read a great book just a little bit ago called \"The Gilead\" by Marilyn Robinson, and it's just a good beach book, but it's about a man of faith who comes from generations of pastors, and he is \u2013 at the end of his life, he's writing to his young son.\u00a0 He had a son late in life, and he's writing to his seven-year-old boy, and it's one of the most pieces of literature that I have read in a long time.\u00a0 So I would highly recommend that for just some very enjoyable, deeply moving piece of literature.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Then my third one was \u2013 you know, this is a book, for me, that I could read once a year just for a good blueprint for life, and that is \"A Long Obedience in the Same Direction\" by Eugene Peterson.\u00a0 I could pick that up once a year and just refresh \u2013 the whole point of being a believer and being a Christ follower.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Sara, you're a young mom, been reading any books recently that have sharpened you as a mother as you attempt to raise soon-to-be three children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0Probably the book that gave me the biggest sigh of relief most recently was Carol Kirkendahl's book \"Five Star Family.\"\u00a0 She's a MOPS, founder of MOPS, and the principle that she wrote about in there that really let me off the hook \u2013 she said children don't remember moments.\u00a0 In our society we get very caught up in the moments, and she said kids remember patterns \u2013 patterns of love, patterns of faith, patterns of fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And when I step back from my life, I have 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hi.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0I will, I will, thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Great to talk to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSara:\u00a0You, too, bye-bye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And, I guess, Dennis, I can't watch Sara's video during the TV fast thing, can I?\u00a0 This is her trip to Rwanda. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let your conscience be your guide, Bob.\u00a0 We're just trying to encourage a little fellowship at the Lepine household, and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I'll squeeze it in before August 1st rolls around.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I'm really surprised, Bob, in all these years, I really am, that I've never received a phone call from Mary Ann; that she's never called me to say thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0To thank you for giving me my husband back during August, is that what you're \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I'm not saying you're an addict, I'm not saying that at all, but I just would have thought, you know, knowing Mary Ann as I am, she's kind of a family value champion.\u00a0 She's \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, and what am I, huh?\u00a0 Mr. Slob Man?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I was not saying that, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0She's the family values champion, and her husband is a couch potato.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0This is what you call a classic case of taking someone's words out of context.\u00a0 I was complimenting your wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, Mary Ann, yeah, by contrasting her with her husband.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, whose nails are dug into the side of the wall, you know, fighting this thing the whole way, pulling the channel surfer, pulling his fingers off the channel surfer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All right, we've got another phone call here to make, and we're still looking for book recommendations so you can get some great reading done during the upcoming TV fast in August, and your friend, Crawford Loritts \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Not your friend?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, he's my friend, too, although \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Just doing what you just did to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0He's paired up with you as \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You just said he was my friend, he's not your friend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0He's paired up with you on this TV fast, so he's become less of my friend as a result of that.\u00a0 Crawford, are you there?\u00a0 Welcome to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0Hey, Bob and Dennis, I'm doing great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hey, I just want to say thanks, first of all, for serving on the FamilyLife board of directors and also the board of directors for Campus Crusade for Christ.\u00a0 We love you and appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0Well, thank you, Dennis.\u00a0 I just wanted to say, too, it's invigorating to be on FamilyLife's board, it's invigorating to be on Crusade's board, but sitting in our board meetings, I wish our listeners could have been at our last few board meetings when we talked about vision and direction and what God has in store for the ministry.\u00a0 I'm just fired up.\u00a0 So I thank you for the privilege of serving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, we appreciate your ministry not only speaking and writing, but we wanted to just pick your brain.\u00a0 You know, we've encouraged our listeners to take the month \u2013 actually, let me rephrase this \u2013 Dennis has been encouraging our listeners to take the month of August off from television.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob is resisting, Crawford.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0There's still a little root of bitterness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I may need to talk to you, as a board member \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0A little rebellion going on here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 of FamilyLife about this.\u00a0 We may have to have a little discipline here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0He wants the whole month with the TV off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0You know, Bob and I know of good places where we can get some disguises.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0What have you been reading recently or what \u2013 if somebody was looking for something this summer that they were going to read \u2013 fiction, nonfiction, spiritually oriented or practically oriented \u2013 not that the Scriptures aren't practical \u2013 but what would you recommend to folks?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0Well, you know, there are a couple of classics that come to mind, Bob.\u00a0 I think, of course, J.I. Packer's \"Knowing God,\" is one of those volumes that needs to be read over and over and over again.\u00a0 And, you know, it's one of those things where you need time to just marinate in it, to savor it, and so that would be a great read.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You know, I think also \"The Holiness of God\" by R.C. Sproul is another great read that will get us thinking in more lofty ways.\u00a0 I think sometimes \u2013 one of my little hobbyhorses recently in the last four or five years is that we have been so focused on practical Christianity \u2013 there's nothing wrong with that, the how-tos are great \u2013 but sometimes I think it's almost at the expense of fingering the greatness of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0No doubt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0And I think, you know, that would be another great read.\u00a0 And I\u2019m getting back to the old stuff here \u2013 any of E.M. Bounds classic stuff on prayer, \"Power Through Prayer,\" \"Prevailing Prayer,\" any of his stuff.\u00a0 They're short but very thought-provoking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Crawford, you're a leader of a church.\u00a0 Undoubtedly, you step out of the biblical books and biographies to read a story or maybe a how-to book that develops you as a man. What's the best secular book you've read recently, as a man, as a leader, or maybe just a novel?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0Well, you know, I tell you what, I love reading all of John Grisham's stuff, and so I've read that, but I'd tell you the best secular book I've ever read that's helped me greatly is \"Good to Great,\" in terms of my leadership and I don't know if Collins is a follower yet of Jesus, but that book should be must reading for anyone that takes the task of leadership seriously.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You know, Bill Hybels' book entitled \"Courageous Leadership\" is another great read.\u00a0 Some of our listeners or, you know, if they have leadership responsibility whether it's being on a board of the church or on your job or whatever, the principles that you glean from that book would be outstanding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, we appreciate you taking the time to stimulate our listeners to love and good deeds and getting them in the right books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0If Mary Ann and I drop by sometime during the month of August, you know, could we watch something together, you know, you and me?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0Well, what we'll do, we'll go down to my unfinished basement, and we'll read a little book, and there will be hammers nearby, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All right, I'm staying away from your place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, no doubt about it.\u00a0 Hey, we love you, Crawford, and we appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrawford:\u00a0I love you guys, take care.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You have a good day, bye-bye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, and it sounds like I\u2019m not getting any help from him in trying to find refuge during this TV fast.\u00a0 Anyplace I can sneak out \u2013 if I go, like, to Chili's for lunch, and there's a TV on in Chili's \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, let's just make the next phone call.\u00a0 We want to talk to Hayley DiMarco.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Just trying to get the rules down.\u00a0 I want to know where the loopholes are in this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hayley has been a guest here on FamilyLife Today along with her husband, Michael.\u00a0 She's an author of youth books.\u00a0 She's a contemporary.\u00a0 You might be able to find somebody here, Bob, who would turn on the TV for you and go visit their house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I don't think she'll join in this fast.\u00a0 Hayley, welcome to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Hey, Dennis, Bob, how are you doing?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Doing good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley: \u00a0Good, it's nice to talk to you guys again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Nice to talk to you, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Thanks for joining us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Oh, you bet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0As you know, we're talking to our listeners, at least I am, Bob has not yet signed on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, I'm actually \u2013 I'm glad we called Hayley because I know one of the things that Hayley wants to make sure she is, is culturally savvy, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you think because she's culturally savvy, she's going to keep her TV on for the month of August.\u00a0 You think you've found an ally here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0There might be refuge for me during the month, you know, someplace I can go and late at night I'll see that blue glow sneaking through the window.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Oh, yes, he'll always in a blue glow \u2013 probably several places in our house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Are you an addict, Hayley?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Am I an addict?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0A TV addict, yeah?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0No, I wouldn't say I'm an addict.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So are you going to join Dennis's harebrained idea to turn off the TV in August?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Alright!\u00a0 But you're going to keep reading through the month, too, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Oh, gosh, yeah.\u00a0 I'm going to read a lot.\u00a0 It's because of my one-year-old, I'm not going to turn the TV off.\u00a0 I'd go crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So is the TV on as a babysitter for your one-year-old or companionship for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0It's not really on as a babysitter.\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 I found that there's really some great educational stuff.\u00a0 We do the Baby Einstein videos, and she's learning all this vocabulary about stuff she wouldn't ordinarily see, like stuff on the farm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Your one-year-old is learning vocabulary?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0My one-year-old almost has the entire alphabet learned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All right, this is that prodigy thing at work over there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0She's obsessed with learning.\u00a0 I'm telling you, she yells at me, if I don't tell her.\u00a0 She says, \"What's this, what's this, what's this?\"\u00a0 And I tell her and \u2013 yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Okay, since you're raising a Baby Einstein, share with our listeners what the best books you've read recently are?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Okay, one of my favorites is \"The Blessings of Brokenness\" by Charles Stanley.\u00a0 I think for a lot of reasons, there's just got to be a lot of people out there like me who have gone through some tragedy in their lives who have been just broken to pieces, and you think, \"I just can't get out of this,\" or \"Why is God doing this to me?\"\u00a0 And this is the kind of book that you want to get when you're going through that because it's just like a balm on your wounds.\u00a0 It's a wonderful book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All right, I've got Dr .Charles Stanley, \"Blessing of Brokenness.\"\u00a0 What's number two on your list?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Number two would be \"A Marriage Without Regrets\" by Kay Arthur.\u00a0 This book, boy, is fantastic for people who really want to \u2013 I mean, you've really got to want to know God's position on the role of husband and wife in marriage, because it is a sobering look.\u00a0 I mean, a fabulous book for really understanding God's position on it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hayley, you're a young mom, you've got a one-year-old Baby Einstein on your hands there, as we just found out.\u00a0 Any books that you've read about being a mother, disciplining children, just those early years of starting your family you'd want to pass on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Oh, boy, I'd like to say that I have, but I can't really think of anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's okay, we may box some up and send them to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0That would be great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You and Michael have been writing for a number of years.\u00a0 Are you working on anything right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 I am currently working a book called \"Idol Girls,\" that talks about these said addictions you mentioned earlier \u2013 anything that we are addicted to and can't turn away from can easily be said to be an idol, something that takes the place of God.\u00a0 So I'm working on that for girls to kind of understand all that, man, there are a lot of idols you can come up with when you're a teenager and then on into adult years.\u00a0 So we're working on that and a couple of other Bible study books to go with some of my previous books out there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, you go, girl, all right?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, really.\u00a0 That's needed today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And we appreciate your ministry, we appreciate you tackling tough issues in teenagers' lives, and tackling them directly and in a very compelling way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Well, thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Good to talk to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Yes, nice talking to you, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Thanks for the recommendations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Thanks for your ministry, Hayley.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHayley:\u00a0Sure, thank you.\u00a0 Thanks for yours as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Bye-bye.\u00a0 You know, I'm going to send her \u2013 I'm just sitting here thinking about what would be good.\u00a0 You know, the book \"Don't Make Me Count to Three,\" Ginger Plowman's book.\u00a0 We interviewed her on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Talk about a book that helps moms with kids in those early years.\u00a0 We'll get a copy of that off to her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0In fact, our team has assembled suggested books for the month of August during the TV fast time.\u00a0 We've got books that we've already talked about this week that you can read to your children, books that they can read themselves, some great stories, great literature from 100 years ago or more.\u00a0 Those are available on our website, but we've also got some recommended titles for Mom and Dad this summer, too, to both help you in your marriage relationship, and to help you as you raise your children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So go to our website, FamilyLife.com, click the red \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen.\u00a0 That will take you to the area of the site where you can get some ideas on some good summer reading for the month of August while the TV is off in your home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, the website is FamilyLife.com, click the red button that says \"Go\" in the middle of the screen, and you'll be right at the area of the site where there is more information about what's available and what's suggested for summer reading.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can also call 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 We've got folks available who can answer any questions you have, or if you'd like to place an order over the phone, 1-800-358-6329, that's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I have to tell you a quick story.\u00a0 I was recently out in Northern California with my son, and I ran into a couple that listens to FamilyLife Today from time to time, and they said, \"We have to tell you a story.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0They had been listening to our program back, oh, almost a year and a half ago now \u2013 we were talking about the needs of orphans and about families that had made the decision to adopt.\u00a0 And God used that program to touch the heart of this mom who began to ask the question, \"Is that what the Lord would have us do?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And she and her husband began to pray through that, and she pulled me aside and said, \"We have all the paperwork in, and we are waiting for the green light to adopt a child from Asia.\"\u00a0 And they were so excited, and they said FamilyLife Today was really the impetus behind that kind of a decision.\u00a0 And I thanked them for listening, and I told them that I would share their story with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It's always encouraging for us to hear how God is using the ministry of FamilyLife Today in people's lives, sometimes in some very significant ways.\u00a0 I want to ask you, if God has used FamilyLife Today in a significant way in your life, in your marriage or in your family, can we ask you to consider making a donation to the ministry of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We're listener-supported, and so it's folks like you who pitch in from time to time with a donation of any amount who keep this program on the air in your city and in other cities.\u00a0 If you can make a donation of any amount this week, we'd love to send you four CDs that feature messages from our Weekend to Remember Marriage Conference on the subjects of conflict resolution, communication, and sexual intimacy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We'll send those CDs out to you as our way of saying thank you for your support of the ministry of FamilyLife Today when you make a donation of any amount this week, go online at FamilyLife.com to make your donation and, if you do, when you get to the keycode box there, just type in the letters \"WTR\" and we'll know to send you these CDs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Or call 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 You can make a donation over the phone and, again, just mention that you'd like to receive the CDS, and we'll be happy to send them to you.\u00a0 Thanks for listening and thanks for your financial support of this ministry as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Tomorrow we're going to get back on the phones and see who we can 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