{"id":301324,"date":"2007-03-13T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-03-13T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-family-no-better-place-to-come-to-know-christ\/"},"modified":"2007-03-13T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2007-03-13T15:00:00","slug":"the-family-no-better-place-to-come-to-know-christ","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-family-no-better-place-to-come-to-know-christ\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;The Family:  No Better Place to Come to Know Christ!"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On the broadcast today, pastor Jim Elliff tells Dennis Rainey why parents are the best candidates for tutoring their children in the faith.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2007-03-13.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"12.7M","filesize_raw":"13313211","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2806],"tags":[4722,4818,4159,2209],"podcast_series":[7511],"cwp_profile":[9061],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301324","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-spiritual-development","tag-christianity","tag-evangelism","tag-gospel","tag-parenting","podcast_series-how-children-come-to-faith-in-christ","cwp_profile-jim-elliff","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301324\/the-family-no-better-place-to-come-to-know-christ","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301324\/the-family-no-better-place-to-come-to-know-christ","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"mW9iyjIGKg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-family-no-better-place-to-come-to-know-christ\/\">&#8216;The Family:  No Better Place to Come to Know Christ!<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-family-no-better-place-to-come-to-know-christ\/embed\/#?secret=mW9iyjIGKg\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;&#8216;The Family:  No Better Place to Come to Know Christ!&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"mW9iyjIGKg\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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itself?\u00a0 Is there spiritual life in me?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, March 13th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll talk today about the subject of assurance and what to do if a child has doubts about his salvation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 We have been taking a good, hard look both last week and again this week at how children come to faith in Christ \u2013 at the things that we can see going on in a child's life and the things we can't see going on, the things God is doing behind the scenes and trying to help parents understand that whole process and help them know what to look for and what to expect when a child begins to wrestle with these kinds of spiritual issues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 If God changes people's lives through the Gospel, and if the family is the place that is the best environment to present that Gospel to help a human being hear the reality of who God is, of the child's sinfulness, and of God's provision through Jesus Christ and what God expects of a man or a woman who wants to come into a relationship with Him then we, as parents, need to be equipped to be able to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And yet if you look at parents today, we're handed a baby, and we don't know necessarily how to discipline them, how to go about setting up schedules, how to go about with the basic functions of life, let alone the most serious decision ever that a person makes, and that's what will they do with the person of Jesus Christ?\u00a0 What will they do with the God\/Man who died for all of our sins?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We've been fortunate to have Jim Elliff with us to discuss this issue and to bring some clarity to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Jim is the founder and president of Christian Communicators Worldwide.\u00a0 He has been a pastor in numerous states throughout the United States and worked, I guess, internationally, Jim, with pastors around the world?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You, indeed, yourself are a fourth-generation pastor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I'm a third, but there are fourth in our family, there sure are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Oh, there's four in your family.\u00a0 Okay, well, that makes you a Christian, then, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I don't think so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's been the message that we've talked about, really, over these broadcasts, is that salvation and conversion is something that we, as parents, need to do a better job of understanding and, Jim, you really believe that a child's salvation is evidenced in three ways \u2013 that of conviction; secondly, revelation; and, third, regeneration.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Explain to our listeners just briefly what you mean by all three of those.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, we mean that God is at work if He is bringing a child to Himself, and He convicts that child of his sin and of his need for Christ deep down in the conscience of the child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And then He reveals Himself to the child because, after all, salvation is knowing Christ.\u00a0 And then in the third place, He gives that child His own life, He makes him alive.\u00a0 And when that child is made alive, you see this fruit of repentance and faith, and you see obedience, and you see perseverance come out of that regeneration \u2013 the giving of life to a dead soul.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, over the past few days, we have taken an area that's a very delicate area, it involves faith and therefore it's a bedrock issue for our children and we, as parents, want to help our children believe.\u00a0 You've talked about parents needing to pray and trust God with this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You also believe that parents really need to do a good job listening to their children.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I certainly do.\u00a0 Children have a lot to say if we'll let them say it.\u00a0 I think you know that.\u00a0 And there's a wonderful illustration of this in a book I picked up some years ago by Susan Schaeffer McCauley, the daughter of Francis Schaeffer, the historian and Christian philosopher, who lived many years in Switzerland.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And she wrote the book, entitled it, \"How to be Your Own Selfish Pig.\"\u00a0 It's a great book, actually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But, at any rate, she tells of her life when she was a young girl.\u00a0 She says, \"I started the process of thinking through my beliefs almost accidentally.\u00a0 When I was 11 years old, growing up in Switzerland, what touched it off was a squabble with my two sisters, Debbie and Priscilla.\u00a0 We had nearly finished weeding the family vegetable garden and were hot and tired and crabby, and as I grew more and more obnoxious on my side of our argument, one of my sisters piped up and said that I wasn't being a very good Christian example to the villagers passing by.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Without thinking, I said the most shocking thing that came into my head \u2013 pretty shocking, at least when your father is a minister.\u00a0 'Well, I'm not a Christian, anyway.'\u00a0 I yelled.\u00a0 'I don't believe any of it.'\"\u00a0 Have you ever heard a kid say that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Mm-hm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0\"I was received with the dramatic reaction I wanted \u2013 shocked silence.\u00a0 She said, as we picked up our hose and walked down the mountain path toward our home, I suddenly felt a tingle of fear creep up my spine.\u00a0 Did I really believe in God?\u00a0 At the supper table, Priscilla announced, 'Susan says she isn't a Christian.'\"\u00a0 Have you ever heard it like that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"By then I didn't feel like denying her words, even though I could see that my mother looked sad.\u00a0 I was said, too,\" she said, \"for I felt as if I had lost God and His love.\u00a0 I wasn't sure that there even was a God, but I was determined, and I couldn't believe in fairy tales.\u00a0 I had to grow up.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0That night, when I was ready for bed,\" she said, \"alone and quiet in my room, my father came in.\u00a0 'Let's talk, Susan,' he said seriously.\u00a0 'Tell me why you said you're no longer a Christian.'\u00a0 I confessed that I'd first said the words because I was mad, 'But as soon as I said it, I was scared,' I explained.\u00a0 'I can't call myself a Christian.\u00a0 All this time I've only believed it because you and Mother told me about it.\u00a0 Now I'll have to wait and see if it's true or not.\u00a0 Maybe the other religions are true, or maybe there isn't even a God at all.'\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There was a moment of silence.\u00a0 I still remember the quiet, friendly companionship in the atmosphere when my dad finally answered me.\u00a0 'Susan,' he said.\u00a0 'Those are good questions.\u00a0 I'm glad you've asked them.'\u00a0 'What a relief.\u00a0 That dizzy, lonely feeling left me,' she said.\u00a0 It was okay to ask questions, and it was important for me to find out for myself if what I believed was true.\u00a0 As we talked that night, I decided to do just that,' she said.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And there's an illustration of listening and so often we give the quick comment, don't we, and just paralyze our children into silence.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And you really believe, as we listened, we better be careful to give assurance of salvation to a child where it perhaps could be misplaced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, let me talk about that, because it's an important aspect of this whole thing.\u00a0 I think maybe it's better put like this, if you don't mind my changing the phraseology.\u00a0 Not really giving them assurance but showing them the basis of true assurance; showing them what they could look for to know if they're really a Christian or not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Explain what you mean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, if it's true, and it certainly is in the Bible, that there are many ways of knowing we are Christian given to us in the Scriptures, then we can point that child to what the Bible has to say and help them see that on that basis they could have a growing and hopefully a complete assurance that they are God's child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0For instance, in the book of 1 John, it says, \"These things are written so that you might know you have believed.\"\u00a0 Well, what things?\u00a0 All those things that were written in the book of 1 John to help us see if we're really a Christian or not \u2013 our love for the brethren, our hatred of sin, the life of the Spirit within us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We look to those things to get a basis of our assurance.\u00a0 We don't just look to whether we prayed a prayer or had an experience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, Jim, don't you point a child back to their faith in Christ as the basis for their salvation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, let me answer that by saying it is true that if one believes in Jesus Christ, they have eternal life \u2013 John 6:47, \"He who believes has eternal life.\"\u00a0 The question is not whether, if we believe, we have eternal life.\u00a0 The question is have we really believed and has that child really believed in the proper way.\u00a0 There are false kinds of faith that will lead a child down a wrong path and end him up in hell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, Jim, I can hear a mom kind of scratching her head at this point and going, \"What do you mean by false faith?\u00a0 Are there kinds of faith that are not going to result in salvation?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, in fact, there are in the Bible, and I've tried to take a close look at that over the years.\u00a0 For instance, that faith that's talked about in James, chapter 2, \"a faith without works,\" he says, \"can that faith save him?\"\u00a0 well, it's a type of a faith, but it's not a faith that saves, is it?\u00a0 Or in John, chapter 2, comes to my mind \u2013 Jesus had performed miracles, and the Bible says in John 2, I think it's verse 23 and following that \"many people believed in Him because of the miracles, which He had done.\u00a0 But He, for His part, did not entrust Himself to them, because He knew what was in their hearts.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Actually, it's the same word in the original language.\u00a0 They believed in Him, but He did not believe or put His trust in them.\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Because He knew that they were the same people they were before.\u00a0 They had had some kind of faith experience of a sort, but it wasn't really saving faith because it wasn't a repenting faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So it's possible to have types of faith that are deceptive and false, but there is such a thing as a true faith.\u00a0 It's a gift-of-God kind of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as you were talking there, Jim, I thought about another kind of faith \u2013 the faith of the demons.\u00a0 It says even the demons believe and shudder, and yet they're not true believers in Christ.\u00a0 They only know certain things about God.\u00a0 They haven't got a personal relationship with Him, and He has not revealed Himself to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's exactly right.\u00a0 There's an interesting passage in the Book of Romans that says something very helpful here.\u00a0 In chapter 15 of the Book of Romans, it says \"whatever things were written before were written for our learning that we, through perseverance and comfort of the Scripture, might have hope.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, hope means the confidence that the future is going to work out all right.\u00a0 How am I going to have hope?\u00a0 He says through two means \u2013 one is the comfort of the Scripture.\u00a0 We can look at that verse in John 6:47 \u2013 \"He who believes have everlasting life,\" and I can get some comfort from that and assurance and help from that.\u00a0 That's one place we look.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The other side is to look at perseverance.\u00a0 That's the work of God as well because he goes on to say, \"Now, God who gives perseverance and comfort,\" in the next verse, so He gives it, but we look at the evidence of God at work in our lives to know if that faith that we claim to have is a real saving faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0How have you done that with your children, Jim?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I've helped them see what obedience is.\u00a0 One of the things we do with our children is to help them know what God is like.\u00a0 And as we talk about what God is like, and what God expects in the Word of God, then they have some criteria by which they can judge and evaluate if God is at work in them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And they may deal with those things hundreds of times.\u00a0 They may go to bed at night and often pray to the Lord about repentance and faith.\u00a0 What I'm looking for \u2013 I can encourage that, by the way \u2013 but what I am looking for is has your life really changed?\u00a0 Do you have life from God?\u00a0 And if you do, it will be evidenced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So if your child comes home from a children's meeting, and has prayed a prayer, walked an aisle, signed a card, and says to you, \"Dad, let me tell you what I just did.\u00a0 I became a Christian today.\u00a0 I prayed a prayer to receive Christ as my Lord and Savior.\"\u00a0 What do you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I'm positive, I'm encouraging, how do I know but that he might have come to Christ today.\u00a0 So I say something like this to him \u2013 \"I'm thrilled that you appear to be repenting and trusting in Christ\" and, by the way, I prefer those terms rather than to inviting Jesus into the life, which I don't really find in the Scripture.\u00a0 Let's go back to the Bible terms \u2013 repenting and trusting in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"I'm thrilled that you are repenting and trusting in Christ.\u00a0 More than anything, we want to know if God has really changed your heart.\u00a0 The way we'll know is if you continue repenting of sin and trusting in Christ, and if you act like a true Christian.\u00a0 That is, you have a new heart that loves to obey God, and sometimes we don't know that until we're in a place where it really costs us to be a Christian.\u00a0 We'll just see what God does.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But as far as I can tell in the Scripture, we're never told to discern whether we're a Christian not by doing back to a decision.\u00a0 We look at our lives right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Fruit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0We look at fruit, we look to see, \"Is this that we call life really demonstrating itself?\u00a0 Is there spiritual life in me?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, we have some grandparents who listen to the broadcast, and they watch their adult children today, and they think back to childhood when there seemed to be \u2013 and not just an awakened child \u2013 but there seemed to be a converted child.\u00a0 And yet today, their son or their daughter does not show an interest in spiritual things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0How would you counsel that grandparent?\u00a0 What can they do and what should they think about their child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, that's a great question and, unfortunately, describes a situation that happens very, very often.\u00a0 Well, the Bible again speaks of this issue of perseverance.\u00a0 Remember Demos?\u00a0 He walked with the greatest apostle of all times, the Apostle Paul.\u00a0 The first time his name is mentioned, he is called a \"fellow worker\" of the Apostle Paul.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The next time he is mentioned, it's just his name.\u00a0 Now, I don't want to read more into this than I should, but the last time that his name is mentioned, Paul regretfully says, \"Demus has left me, having loved this present world.\"\u00a0 What an epitaph to have on your tombstone, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You see, again, the kind of faith that is the gift-of-God faith is a persevering faith.\u00a0 It lasts through to the end.\u00a0 Not without some blips on the screen, believe me, plenty of those.\u00a0 They produce sorrow and agony, our sin is never an enjoyable thing for the Christian because of the Holy Spirit within him, but there is this persevering nature to his or her faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And when we try to examine that grandchild or that child, for that matter, or our own lives, we have to ask the question, \"Do I have the gift-of-God faith that goes all the way through?\"\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If not, I think we need to sometimes very carefully talk with that person if we love them.\u00a0 It won't always work.\u00a0 Sometimes they are very hardened, but we need to talk with them if we can and try to get them to consider the possibility that even though God knows if they're Christian or not, the evidence of their life is not comforting.\u00a0 They ought to examine, \"Can a person live like this and be a true Christian?\"\u00a0 Because God's not mocked.\u00a0 Whatever a man sows, that's what he reaps.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, it occurs to me as we're talking about this, there are a number of grandparents like Bob mentioned, are parents who have prodigals, and they are watching their child perhaps self-destruct as an adult.\u00a0 They're feeling helpless, hopeless, they feel like a failure because they attempted to raise them in a Christian home around the Scriptures, pointing them to Christ.\u00a0 Maybe that particular person, that young adult, placed their faith in Christ or gave evidence at a time of placing their faith in Christ and now, as an adult, they are denying the existence of God or, practically speaking, they are living such a mediocre life that their lives deny God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0What would you say to that parent?\u00a0 Is there comfort for that parent that that child knows Christ?\u00a0 Or are you saying here, Jim, that it looks like they're not a Christian, and you need to confront that situation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I'd be careful about false comfort, I sure would.\u00a0 I think that it is better to know the truth and to pray right and to speak right in front of that child, that erring child, than it is to have some kind of euphemism or false hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The hope only comes in God.\u00a0 God is the one who gives birth to people, brings them into the kingdom.\u00a0 He does use the things that we have laid before them.\u00a0 He might still use them in the future.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0How many stories have you heard about people remembering the things they learned in childhood, and that sparking something there in their heart and God working in them from that basis?\u00a0 So there is that kind of hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But I think when a person is told that they have cancer, that's not a very good sounding phrase, is it?\u00a0 \"You have cancer.\"\u00a0 But it's an accurate thing, and it's better for us to know the accurate thing.\u00a0 Then we can deal with it and do perhaps a better thing with it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, it occurs to me that denial doesn't get us any closer to the truth; that if we act like they're Christian and deny the fact that they are perhaps ignoring the existence of God in their lives \u2013 the Scriptures, they are disobedient to them \u2013 we really do them a disservice by perhaps not doing the courageous thing, which is step into their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And undoubtedly, as we've done these broadcasts, Bob, we have had not merely parents of children who have reflected upon their children who need to come to Christ but undoubtedly wives who have thought about a husband, a husband has thought about a wife who doesn't know Christ, perhaps a grandparent or an adult who has a son or a daughter who is a prodigal, who looks like they do not know Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, you know, now is the day to preach the Gospel.\u00a0 Now is the day to go and to talk to them about the finished work of Christ on the cross and the empty tomb.\u00a0 We need to go to them in love and not be ashamed of the Gospel.\u00a0 Romans, chapter 1, verse 16 through 18 talks about us not being ashamed of the Gospel, \"for it's the power of God unto salvation to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.\u00a0 And we need to preach it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0These are days when we need to be talking about God's forgiveness in Christ.\u00a0 That really is what the church needs to come back to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And I think we need to make sure, as we preach it, that we really understand it.\u00a0 I read a quote recently from John Stott, the British theologian, who said that he fears that in our day we have fumbled the Gospel, and that's really the reason we've been talking about this subject both last week and this week because we want to make sure that the Gospel is, first, clearly understood and then clearly articulated to our children and to others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I would think if parents think, you know, \"I'm not sure that I really understand what the Gospel is all about,\" I think they'll find some help in Ray Comfort's book called \"How to Bring Your Children to Christ and Keep Them There.\"\u00a0 He deals with the subject of the biblical Gospel in that book.\u00a0 Again, I think it's something that we need to be reminded of in the church today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0In addition, you and Barbara have written a book, Dennis, called \"Building a Spiritually Strong Family\" that helps us understand how our family can be centered in the Gospel and can grow spiritually as a family.\u00a0 We have both of these resources in our FamilyLife Resource Center and any of our listeners who would like to go to our website, FamilyLife.com and click the red button that says \"Go\" on the screen, that will take you to an area of the site where you can get more information not only about these resources but about other resources that are available from us here at FamilyLife that deal with the subject of the Gospel or how we can share the Gospel message with our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, our website is FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click the \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen.\u00a0 Or if it's easier to call 1-800-FLTODAY and talk with somebody about these resources, you can do that.\u00a0 The number, again, is 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY and someone on our team will answer any questions you have or make arrangements to have specific resources sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0One of the other resources you will see on our website, when you go there, is Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 Many of our listeners are familiar with this evangelistic tool that we've made available for more than a decade now.\u00a0 It's a way to help children remember the Easter story, to learn it, and to remember it, and it's been very popular.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0This year we are hoping to get sets of Resurrection Eggs into the hands of people who don't know the Gospel story.\u00a0 And so we're asking you to help us in that effort by doing two things.\u00a0 First, we're asking you to make a donation to the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 When you make a donation of any amount, here is what we'll do.\u00a0 We will send a set of Resurrection Eggs to our friends at Here's Life Inner City, and they will distribute those eggs to children and families who live in the inner city who need to hear the message of the Gospel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, at the same time, we'll send you a set of Resurrection Eggs that you can either use with your family or you can pass them along to someone you know, a relative, a neighbor, a friend, someone who needs to hear the message of the Gospel.\u00a0 So you become a part of the distribution network for these Resurrection Eggs, and you help us get the Gospel message out this year at Easter time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can donate to FamilyLife Today by go online at FamilyLife.com, click the button that says \"Donate,\" over on the left side of the screen, and as you fill out the donation form, you'll see a keycode box.\u00a0 If you'd like to help us get these Resurrection Eggs out this year at Easter, just type the word \"eggs\" in the keycode box, and we'll know that you want to be a part of this effort, and we'll also know to send you a set of Resurrection Eggs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Or call 1-800-FLTODAY, that's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 You can make a donation over the phone, and we'll be sure to get a set of Resurrection Eggs out to you as well as a set to Here's Life Inner City on your behalf.\u00a0 So let me say thanks in advance for joining with us in this effort, and we appreciate your financial support of the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, tomorrow we're going to talk about \u2013 in some ways, it's a different subject, in some ways it's a very similar subject \u2013 we're going to talk about adoption with Natalie Gillespie and Sara Dormon, and when you stop and think about it, when you bring a child into your home, you're helping to expose that child to the Gospel and, oftentimes, it's a child who wouldn't hear the Gospel otherwise.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So as we talk about adoption tomorrow, we really have the same thought in mind as we continue the conversation.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t_______________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts for you. 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the broadcast today, pastor Jim Elliff tells Dennis Rainey why parents are the best candidates for tutoring their children in the faith.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2007-03-13.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0When we talk about assurance, we want to move away from a look at the sincerity of a prayer that they pray or a decision that they made or a feeling that they felt during a 15- or 30-minute period of time.\u00a0 That's not the way we tell if we're Christian.\u00a0 We look to see is this that we call life really demonstrating itself?\u00a0 Is there spiritual life in me?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, March 13th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll talk today about the subject of assurance and what to do if a child has doubts about his salvation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 We have been taking a good, hard look both last week and again this week at how children come to faith in Christ \u2013 at the things that we can see going on in a child's life and the things we can't see going on, the things God is doing behind the scenes and trying to help parents understand that whole process and help them know what to look for and what to expect when a child begins to wrestle with these kinds of spiritual issues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 If God changes people's lives through the Gospel, and if the family is the place that is the best environment to present that Gospel to help a human being hear the reality of who God is, of the child's sinfulness, and of God's provision through Jesus Christ and what God expects of a man or a woman who wants to come into a relationship with Him then we, as parents, need to be equipped to be able to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And yet if you look at parents today, we're handed a baby, and we don't know necessarily how to discipline them, how to go about setting up schedules, how to go about with the basic functions of life, let alone the most serious decision ever that a person makes, and that's what will they do with the person of Jesus Christ?\u00a0 What will they do with the God\/Man who died for all of our sins?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We've been fortunate to have Jim Elliff with us to discuss this issue and to bring some clarity to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Jim is the founder and president of Christian Communicators Worldwide.\u00a0 He has been a pastor in numerous states throughout the United States and worked, I guess, internationally, Jim, with pastors around the world?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You, indeed, yourself are a fourth-generation pastor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I'm a third, but there are fourth in our family, there sure are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Oh, there's four in your family.\u00a0 Okay, well, that makes you a Christian, then, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I don't think so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's been the message that we've talked about, really, over these broadcasts, is that salvation and conversion is something that we, as parents, need to do a better job of understanding and, Jim, you really believe that a child's salvation is evidenced in three ways \u2013 that of conviction; secondly, revelation; and, third, regeneration.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Explain to our listeners just briefly what you mean by all three of those.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, we mean that God is at work if He is bringing a child to Himself, and He convicts that child of his sin and of his need for Christ deep down in the conscience of the child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And then He reveals Himself to the child because, after all, salvation is knowing Christ.\u00a0 And then in the third place, He gives that child His own life, He makes him alive.\u00a0 And when that child is made alive, you see this fruit of repentance and faith, and you see obedience, and you see perseverance come out of that regeneration \u2013 the giving of life to a dead soul.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, over the past few days, we have taken an area that's a very delicate area, it involves faith and therefore it's a bedrock issue for our children and we, as parents, want to help our children believe.\u00a0 You've talked about parents needing to pray and trust God with this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You also believe that parents really need to do a good job listening to their children.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I certainly do.\u00a0 Children have a lot to say if we'll let them say it.\u00a0 I think you know that.\u00a0 And there's a wonderful illustration of this in a book I picked up some years ago by Susan Schaeffer McCauley, the daughter of Francis Schaeffer, the historian and Christian philosopher, who lived many years in Switzerland.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And she wrote the book, entitled it, \"How to be Your Own Selfish Pig.\"\u00a0 It's a great book, actually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But, at any rate, she tells of her life when she was a young girl.\u00a0 She says, \"I started the process of thinking through my beliefs almost accidentally.\u00a0 When I was 11 years old, growing up in Switzerland, what touched it off was a squabble with my two sisters, Debbie and Priscilla.\u00a0 We had nearly finished weeding the family vegetable garden and were hot and tired and crabby, and as I grew more and more obnoxious on my side of our argument, one of my sisters piped up and said that I wasn't being a very good Christian example to the villagers passing by.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Without thinking, I said the most shocking thing that came into my head \u2013 pretty shocking, at least when your father is a minister.\u00a0 'Well, I'm not a Christian, anyway.'\u00a0 I yelled.\u00a0 'I don't believe any of it.'\"\u00a0 Have you ever heard a kid say that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Mm-hm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0\"I was received with the dramatic reaction I wanted \u2013 shocked silence.\u00a0 She said, as we picked up our hose and walked down the mountain path toward our home, I suddenly felt a tingle of fear creep up my spine.\u00a0 Did I really believe in God?\u00a0 At the supper table, Priscilla announced, 'Susan says she isn't a Christian.'\"\u00a0 Have you ever heard it like that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"By then I didn't feel like denying her words, even though I could see that my mother looked sad.\u00a0 I was said, too,\" she said, \"for I felt as if I had lost God and His love.\u00a0 I wasn't sure that there even was a God, but I was determined, and I couldn't believe in fairy tales.\u00a0 I had to grow up.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0That night, when I was ready for bed,\" she said, \"alone and quiet in my room, my father came in.\u00a0 'Let's talk, Susan,' he said seriously.\u00a0 'Tell me why you said you're no longer a Christian.'\u00a0 I confessed that I'd first said the words because I was mad, 'But as soon as I said it, I was scared,' I explained.\u00a0 'I can't call myself a Christian.\u00a0 All this time I've only believed it because you and Mother told me about it.\u00a0 Now I'll have to wait and see if it's true or not.\u00a0 Maybe the other religions are true, or maybe there isn't even a God at all.'\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There was a moment of silence.\u00a0 I still remember the quiet, friendly companionship in the atmosphere when my dad finally answered me.\u00a0 'Susan,' he said.\u00a0 'Those are good questions.\u00a0 I'm glad you've asked them.'\u00a0 'What a relief.\u00a0 That dizzy, lonely feeling left me,' she said.\u00a0 It was okay to ask questions, and it was important for me to find out for myself if what I believed was true.\u00a0 As we talked that night, I decided to do just that,' she said.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And there's an illustration of listening and so often we give the quick comment, don't we, and just paralyze our children into silence.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And you really believe, as we listened, we better be careful to give assurance of salvation to a child where it perhaps could be misplaced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, let me talk about that, because it's an important aspect of this whole thing.\u00a0 I think maybe it's better put like this, if you don't mind my changing the phraseology.\u00a0 Not really giving them assurance but showing them the basis of true assurance; showing them what they could look for to know if they're really a Christian or not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Explain what you mean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, if it's true, and it certainly is in the Bible, that there are many ways of knowing we are Christian given to us in the Scriptures, then we can point that child to what the Bible has to say and help them see that on that basis they could have a growing and hopefully a complete assurance that they are God's child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0For instance, in the book of 1 John, it says, \"These things are written so that you might know you have believed.\"\u00a0 Well, what things?\u00a0 All those things that were written in the book of 1 John to help us see if we're really a Christian or not \u2013 our love for the brethren, our hatred of sin, the life of the Spirit within us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We look to those things to get a basis of our assurance.\u00a0 We don't just look to whether we prayed a prayer or had an experience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, Jim, don't you point a child back to their faith in Christ as the basis for their salvation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, let me answer that by saying it is true that if one believes in Jesus Christ, they have eternal life \u2013 John 6:47, \"He who believes has eternal life.\"\u00a0 The question is not whether, if we believe, we have eternal life.\u00a0 The question is have we really believed and has that child really believed in the proper way.\u00a0 There are false kinds of faith that will lead a child down a wrong path and end him up in hell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, Jim, I can hear a mom kind of scratching her head at this point and going, \"What do you mean by false faith?\u00a0 Are there kinds of faith that are not going to result in salvation?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, in fact, there are in the Bible, and I've tried to take a close look at that over the years.\u00a0 For instance, that faith that's talked about in James, chapter 2, \"a faith without works,\" he says, \"can that faith save him?\"\u00a0 well, it's a type of a faith, but it's not a faith that saves, is it?\u00a0 Or in John, chapter 2, comes to my mind \u2013 Jesus had performed miracles, and the Bible says in John 2, I think it's verse 23 and following that \"many people believed in Him because of the miracles, which He had done.\u00a0 But He, for His part, did not entrust Himself to them, because He knew what was in their hearts.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Actually, it's the same word in the original language.\u00a0 They believed in Him, but He did not believe or put His trust in them.\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Because He knew that they were the same people they were before.\u00a0 They had had some kind of faith experience of a sort, but it wasn't really saving faith because it wasn't a repenting faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So it's possible to have types of faith that are deceptive and false, but there is such a thing as a true faith.\u00a0 It's a gift-of-God kind of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as you were talking there, Jim, I thought about another kind of faith \u2013 the faith of the demons.\u00a0 It says even the demons believe and shudder, and yet they're not true believers in Christ.\u00a0 They only know certain things about God.\u00a0 They haven't got a personal relationship with Him, and He has not revealed Himself to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's exactly right.\u00a0 There's an interesting passage in the Book of Romans that says something very helpful here.\u00a0 In chapter 15 of the Book of Romans, it says \"whatever things were written before were written for our learning that we, through perseverance and comfort of the Scripture, might have hope.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, hope means the confidence that the future is going to work out all right.\u00a0 How am I going to have hope?\u00a0 He says through two means \u2013 one is the comfort of the Scripture.\u00a0 We can look at that verse in John 6:47 \u2013 \"He who believes have everlasting life,\" and I can get some comfort from that and assurance and help from that.\u00a0 That's one place we look.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The other side is to look at perseverance.\u00a0 That's the work of God as well because he goes on to say, \"Now, God who gives perseverance and comfort,\" in the next verse, so He gives it, but we look at the evidence of God at work in our lives to know if that faith that we claim to have is a real saving faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0How have you done that with your children, Jim?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I've helped them see what obedience is.\u00a0 One of the things we do with our children is to help them know what God is like.\u00a0 And as we talk about what God is like, and what God expects in the Word of God, then they have some criteria by which they can judge and evaluate if God is at work in them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And they may deal with those things hundreds of times.\u00a0 They may go to bed at night and often pray to the Lord about repentance and faith.\u00a0 What I'm looking for \u2013 I can encourage that, by the way \u2013 but what I am looking for is has your life really changed?\u00a0 Do you have life from God?\u00a0 And if you do, it will be evidenced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So if your child comes home from a children's meeting, and has prayed a prayer, walked an aisle, signed a card, and says to you, \"Dad, let me tell you what I just did.\u00a0 I became a Christian today.\u00a0 I prayed a prayer to receive Christ as my Lord and Savior.\"\u00a0 What do you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I'm positive, I'm encouraging, how do I know but that he might have come to Christ today.\u00a0 So I say something like this to him \u2013 \"I'm thrilled that you appear to be repenting and trusting in Christ\" and, by the way, I prefer those terms rather than to inviting Jesus into the life, which I don't really find in the Scripture.\u00a0 Let's go back to the Bible terms \u2013 repenting and trusting in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"I'm thrilled that you are repenting and trusting in Christ.\u00a0 More than anything, we want to know if God has really changed your heart.\u00a0 The way we'll know is if you continue repenting of sin and trusting in Christ, and if you act like a true Christian.\u00a0 That is, you have a new heart that loves to obey God, and sometimes we don't know that until we're in a place where it really costs us to be a Christian.\u00a0 We'll just see what God does.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But as far as I can tell in the Scripture, we're never told to discern whether we're a Christian not by doing back to a decision.\u00a0 We look at our lives right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Fruit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0We look at fruit, we look to see, \"Is this that we call life really demonstrating itself?\u00a0 Is there spiritual life in me?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, we have some grandparents who listen to the broadcast, and they watch their adult children today, and they think back to childhood when there seemed to be \u2013 and not just an awakened child \u2013 but there seemed to be a converted child.\u00a0 And yet today, their son or their daughter does not show an interest in spiritual things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0How would you counsel that grandparent?\u00a0 What can they do and what should they think about their child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, that's a great question and, unfortunately, describes a situation that happens very, very often.\u00a0 Well, the Bible again speaks of this issue of perseverance.\u00a0 Remember Demos?\u00a0 He walked with the greatest apostle of all times, the Apostle Paul.\u00a0 The first time his name is mentioned, he is called a \"fellow worker\" of the Apostle Paul.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The next time he is mentioned, it's just his name.\u00a0 Now, I don't want to read more into this than I should, but the last time that his name is mentioned, Paul regretfully says, \"Demus has left me, having loved this present world.\"\u00a0 What an epitaph to have on your tombstone, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You see, again, the kind of faith that is the gift-of-God faith is a persevering faith.\u00a0 It lasts through to the end.\u00a0 Not without some blips on the screen, believe me, plenty of those.\u00a0 They produce sorrow and agony, our sin is never an enjoyable thing for the Christian because of the Holy Spirit within him, but there is this persevering nature to his or her faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And when we try to examine that grandchild or that child, for that matter, or our own lives, we have to ask the question, \"Do I have the gift-of-God faith that goes all the way through?\"\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If not, I think we need to sometimes very carefully talk with that person if we love them.\u00a0 It won't always work.\u00a0 Sometimes they are very hardened, but we need to talk with them if we can and try to get them to consider the possibility that even though God knows if they're Christian or not, the evidence of their life is not comforting.\u00a0 They ought to examine, \"Can a person live like this and be a true Christian?\"\u00a0 Because God's not mocked.\u00a0 Whatever a man sows, that's what he reaps.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, it occurs to me as we're talking about this, there are a number of grandparents like Bob mentioned, are parents who have prodigals, and they are watching their child perhaps self-destruct as an adult.\u00a0 They're feeling helpless, hopeless, they feel like a failure because they attempted to raise them in a Christian home around the Scriptures, pointing them to Christ.\u00a0 Maybe that particular person, that young adult, placed their faith in Christ or gave evidence at a time of placing their faith in Christ and now, as an adult, they are denying the existence of God or, practically speaking, they are living such a mediocre life that their lives deny God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0What would you say to that parent?\u00a0 Is there comfort for that parent that that child knows Christ?\u00a0 Or are you saying here, Jim, that it looks like they're not a Christian, and you need to confront that situation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I'd be careful about false comfort, I sure would.\u00a0 I think that it is better to know the truth and to pray right and to speak right in front of that child, that erring child, than it is to have some kind of euphemism or false hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The hope only comes in God.\u00a0 God is the one who gives birth to people, brings them into the kingdom.\u00a0 He does use the things that we have laid before them.\u00a0 He might still use them in the future.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0How many stories have you heard about people remembering the things they learned in childhood, and that sparking something there in their heart and God working in them from that basis?\u00a0 So there is that kind of hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But I think when a person is told that they have cancer, that's not a very good sounding phrase, is it?\u00a0 \"You have cancer.\"\u00a0 But it's an accurate thing, and it's better for us to know the accurate thing.\u00a0 Then we can deal with it and do perhaps a better thing with it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, it occurs to me that denial doesn't get us any closer to the truth; that if we act like they're Christian and deny the fact that they are perhaps ignoring the existence of God in their lives \u2013 the Scriptures, they are disobedient to them \u2013 we really do them a disservice by perhaps not doing the courageous thing, which is step into their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And undoubtedly, as we've done these broadcasts, Bob, we have had not merely parents of children who have reflected upon their children who need to come to Christ but undoubtedly wives who have thought about a husband, a husband has thought about a wife who doesn't know Christ, perhaps a grandparent or an adult who has a son or a daughter who is a prodigal, who looks like they do not know Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, you know, now is the day to preach the Gospel.\u00a0 Now is the day to go and to talk to them about the finished work of Christ on the cross and the empty tomb.\u00a0 We need to go to them in love and not be ashamed of the Gospel.\u00a0 Romans, chapter 1, verse 16 through 18 talks about us not being ashamed of the Gospel, \"for it's the power of God unto salvation to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.\u00a0 And we need to preach it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0These are days when we need to be talking about God's forgiveness in Christ.\u00a0 That really is what the church needs to come back to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And I think we need to make sure, as we preach it, that we really understand it.\u00a0 I read a quote recently from John Stott, the British theologian, who said that he fears that in our day we have fumbled the Gospel, and that's really the reason we've been talking about this subject both last week and this week because we want to make sure that the Gospel is, first, clearly understood and then clearly articulated to our children and to others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I would think if parents think, you know, \"I'm not sure that I really understand what the Gospel is all about,\" I think they'll find some help in Ray Comfort's book called \"How to Bring Your Children to Christ and Keep Them There.\"\u00a0 He deals with the subject of the biblical Gospel in that book.\u00a0 Again, I think it's something that we need to be reminded of in the church today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0In addition, you and Barbara have written a book, Dennis, called \"Building a Spiritually Strong Family\" that helps us understand how our family can be centered in the Gospel and can grow spiritually as a family.\u00a0 We have both of these resources in our FamilyLife Resource Center and any of our listeners who would like to go to our website, FamilyLife.com and click the red button that says \"Go\" on the screen, that will take you to an area of the site where you can get more information not only about these resources but about other resources that are available from us here at FamilyLife that deal with the subject of the Gospel or how we can share the Gospel message with our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, our website is FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click the \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen.\u00a0 Or if it's easier to call 1-800-FLTODAY and talk with somebody about these resources, you can do that.\u00a0 The number, again, is 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY and someone on our team will answer any questions you have or make arrangements to have specific resources sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0One of the other resources you will see on our website, when you go there, is Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 Many of our listeners are familiar with this evangelistic tool that we've made available for more than a decade now.\u00a0 It's a way to help children remember the Easter story, to learn it, and to remember it, and it's been very popular.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0This year we are hoping to get sets of Resurrection Eggs into the hands of people who don't know the Gospel story.\u00a0 And so we're asking you to help us in that effort by doing two things.\u00a0 First, we're asking you to make a donation to the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 When you make a donation of any amount, here is what we'll do.\u00a0 We will send a set of Resurrection Eggs to our friends at Here's Life Inner City, and they will distribute those eggs to children and families who live in the inner city who need to hear the message of the Gospel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, at the same time, we'll send you a set of Resurrection Eggs that you can either use with your family or you can pass them along to someone you know, a relative, a neighbor, a friend, someone who needs to hear the message of the Gospel.\u00a0 So you become a part of the distribution network for these Resurrection Eggs, and you help us get the Gospel message out this year at Easter time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can donate to FamilyLife Today by go online at FamilyLife.com, click the button that says \"Donate,\" over on the left side of the screen, and as you fill out the donation form, you'll see a keycode box.\u00a0 If you'd like to help us get these Resurrection Eggs out this year at Easter, just type the word \"eggs\" in the keycode box, and we'll know that you want to be a part of this effort, and we'll also know to send you a set of Resurrection Eggs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Or call 1-800-FLTODAY, that's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 You can make a donation over the phone, and we'll be sure to get a set of Resurrection Eggs out to you as well as a set to Here's Life Inner City on your behalf.\u00a0 So let me say thanks in advance for joining with us in this effort, and we appreciate your financial support of the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, tomorrow we're going to talk about \u2013 in some ways, it's a different subject, in some ways it's a very similar subject \u2013 we're going to talk about adoption with Natalie Gillespie and Sara Dormon, and when you stop and think about it, when you bring a child into your home, you're helping to expose that child to the Gospel and, oftentimes, it's a child who wouldn't hear the Gospel otherwise.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So as we talk about adoption tomorrow, we really have the same thought in mind as we continue the conversation.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf 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