{"id":301320,"date":"2007-03-08T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-03-08T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/an-understanding-of-conviction-revelation-and-regeneration\/"},"modified":"2007-03-08T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2007-03-08T17:00:00","slug":"an-understanding-of-conviction-revelation-and-regeneration","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/an-understanding-of-conviction-revelation-and-regeneration\/","title":{"rendered":"An Understanding of Conviction, Revelation and Regeneration"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How can you tell if your child is a Christian?  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down a wrong path and end him up in hell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, March 8th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Can you identify what true belief looks like in your child's life?\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition of our broadcast.\u00a0 Dennis, I remember, years ago I was living out in California at the time, coming home from work one day, and Mary Ann said, \"Guess what happened today?\"\u00a0 And I said \"What?\"\u00a0 She said we were out taking a walk, I think Amy was almost four at the time, Katy was a newborn, and Katy was in the stroller, and Amy was walking alongside Mary Ann and, at some point in the walk, Amy said to Mary Ann, \"I'd like to invite Jesus to come live in my heart.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it kind of took Mary Ann by surprise, but they stopped there, and they prayed together, and they asked Jesus to come and live in Amy's heart.\u00a0 And I remember, as Mary Ann was telling me the story, I thought to myself, \"Can a child who is almost four years old really understand what she means when she prays and commits her life to Christ?\"\u00a0 And even if she can, did Amy really do that when she prayed a prayer with her mom this morning?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And those are the kinds of issues we have been wrestling with all this week on the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, and Jim Elliff joins us for a fourth day here on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Jim, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Jim, you have a ministry that really surrounds the world.\u00a0 You write, you speak, you counsel folks, you minister to pastors, and you have a unique burden in this area.\u00a0 You really believe parents need to carry the responsibility for introducing their kids to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Let me just pose the question that Bob just started with \u2013 what about Amy at three-and-a-half years of age?\u00a0 Did she become a Christian?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Frankly, I think it is possible for anybody to become a Christian, but detecting whether that child is a Christian is another matter altogether.\u00a0 And in the history of Christendom, as we have mentioned before, it was not really the custom to immediately express in a public way that this child would have become a true believer in Christ except in very unusual occasions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you're saying this is a modern-day phenomena then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I think it's much more modern, I really do.\u00a0 I think \u2013 I don't know all of history, of course, but my study yields that kind of information, which I have expressed.\u00a0 Normally they would wait often into early adulthood or teenage years when they were faced with a choice between their peers and Christ; where they had to stand \u2013 of course, in times of martyrdom these things became more clear, or in times of great revival, perhaps there might be a surge of younger people.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But the normative thing was for their public profession of faith to be much later when it was tested.\u00a0 After all, it is a valid profession of faith that we're looking for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, how would you counsel a mom or a dad who called you and said, \"My three-and-a-half-year-old wanted to pray to receive Christ this afternoon.\"\u00a0 I led them in that prayer.\u00a0 What now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I would say you ought to be very encouraging and thank God that your child is dealing with that sort of issue and thinking seriously.\u00a0 But then speak to them about knowing for sure.\u00a0 How does one know for sure?\u00a0 After all, the issue is not whether that child prayed a prayer.\u00a0 There are lots of people who have prayed a prayer and are not really God's children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But the issue is whether that child has life from God, and if that child has life from God, it will be evidenced as the days go on in such a way that one could tell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I hear you saying a couple of things there.\u00a0 First of all, almost in the words of Christ, \"Hinder not the children who want to come to Christ.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And don't discourage a child who is spiritually being receptive to God, responding to God, drawing near to God, that use that as an opportunity to interact with that child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0A second thing I hear you saying is to take those opportunities as a process of childhood to introduce your child to Christ.\u00a0 Over and over and over again, not that they become a Christian over and over and over again, but that you are using these opportunities to reinforce what the Gospel is and how a child can come to know Jesus Christ as personal Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Jim, I want you to help us, as parents \u2013 well, put on our radar units and help us become spiritually astute in knowing what to look for in our kids as they begin to respond to God?\u00a0 What should we, first of all, look for in our children's lives?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, that's the right kind of question, because we haven't ever made a Christian ourselves.\u00a0 Only God makes Christians.\u00a0 So we have to observe the work of God, and we cooperate with the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If I could just say in the beginning, one of the things that we are not necessarily saying that is an indication of a true conversion is that children ask questions.\u00a0 For instance, if you were a Buddhist or some other religious group, it would be normal for a child of a certain age to ask questions.\u00a0 If somebody says, \"My child is asking questions, I think they must be near conversion,\" I say, \"Well, congratulations, your child is at least of average intelligence,\" because that is just a normal thing to do.\u00a0 It's not necessarily an indication of God at work through His Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There are three words, though, and they're theological words, and I hope our listeners don't mind, but I think it's very important to mention these words.\u00a0 There are three words that I think do help us understand the work of the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 The first is the word \"conviction,\" the second is the word \"revelation,\" and the third is the word \"regeneration.\"\u00a0 Those three words, I think, could help us considerably.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, let's take this first one, then, conviction of sin.\u00a0 In order to really allow a child to be convicted of sin, that means they've got to understand that they have a bad heart.\u00a0 Now, that's not going to fly with a lot of parents, because that means you've got to convince a child that he's got a bad heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, it's one of the great mistakes we've made these days in not telling our children the truth.\u00a0 I don't think we have the freedom to not tell the truth, and the Bible says that heart of a person without Christ is a sinful heart, and the actions of that heart will reap an eternal hell, and we need to help our children see that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I think one of the best ways, though, Dennis and Bob, to help our children get ahold of this idea is to really use the commands of Scripture to do it.\u00a0 The commands of Scripture have a purpose \u2013 not only to guide the Christian in what to do, but it helps the non-believer recognize that he or she is a sinner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0After all, sin is a lawlessness, according to 1 John, chapter 3.\u00a0 You might remember the Apostle Paul.\u00a0 He said, \"I once thought myself alive,\" and I'm paraphrasing there, \"but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.\"\u00a0 He saw himself \u2013 he was a Pharisee.\u00a0 He thought he was living blameless life in terms of the law of God, but when the Holy Spirit convicted him, then the commandment came with a new force, and it brought real deep conviction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So one of the things we ought to be look for in a child who has made a profession is that child sensing himself or herself a sorrow, a repentant heart, as they face their own sins?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 Sorrow is a good word, and it's a word the Bible uses.\u00a0 There is a sorrow of the world, and there's a sorrow of God, and one leads to salvation; the other leads to death.\u00a0 And you remember Judas was sorry, wasn't he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0But he had the sorrow of the world.\u00a0 He was probably more sorry than a lot of people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It led all the way to physical death.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I think what I want parents to hear at this point is that they need to allow the Holy Spirit freedom to convict their children that they need a Savior; that they're not good, they're bad, they're sinful, they're sick, and they need redemption, the forgiveness of sins.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes, how can we help a child come to the Savior unless he knows he needs the Savior.\u00a0 This is God's process, and it's beautiful and effective, and we should cooperate with the Holy Spirit in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So how is that different, then, than conviction of righteousness?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, the second matter, which Jesus spoke of, was righteousness because He said, \"I go to my Father, and you see Me no more,\" and that's a difficult phrase to understand, but I think what He's saying here is this \u2013 not only is He convicting of sin in our life, unbelief being the fountainhead of all that sin \u2013 \"because you do not believe in me,\" He said, \"but of righteousness,\" meaning that Christ is the only righteousness.\u00a0 There is no other righteousness that is acceptable before the Father but Jesus Christ, and He is the only way to the Father.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It's just as conceivable that a child have dependence upon their good works as it is for an adult who is religious to have a dependency upon his or her good works.\u00a0 In fact, maybe moreso if we have esteemed them in a wrong way; if we have just made them think that they have such a good heart, they might think that they have earned a way on their own merits to be acceptable to God.\u00a0 And this would be an error.\u00a0 Christ is the only righteousness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Tell me what that would look like in one of the Elliff children?\u00a0 They are getting convicted of their sin, they are being convicted of righteousness by the Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I think that child will see that there is no other escape but Christ.\u00a0 He is the only escape.\u00a0 I saw some literature one time, it was young people's literature in a particular denomination.\u00a0 It had a church and then some stars around the outside edge, and it had all the various religions \u2013 Buddhism and Islam, and it had Christianity among the others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And the title was \"Many Ways to God.\"\u00a0 There aren't many ways to God.\u00a0 There is only one way to God, and when that child begins to feel that intensely and say, \"My only hope is Jesus,\" then they are much closer to true conversion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It would seem to me, Jim, that a child who is not convicted of righteousness might develop a proud or a haughty spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's right, that's right \u2013 a Phariseeical spirit, I am doing well myself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And this is hard to pick up sometimes even within a Christian family, because you can be spouting off the verses, going to church, doing all the religious things, and still have a heart that's far from God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It is really true.\u00a0 That's the reason parents need to be neurosurgeons of the soul.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, what's the third thing the Holy Spirit does?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, this one will surprise you, but the Scripture says that they need to be convicted of judgment because the ruler of this world is judged.\u00a0 That, of course, is Satan, and he is judge and all under his realm are judged.\u00a0 That is every unbeliever.\u00a0 Judgment \u2013 we don't speak often enough about hell, the consequences of sin, and I think it is extremely important for us to talk to our own children about a real hell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0There are a lot of parents, Jim, who are afraid to talk about hell because they are afraid of emotionally damaging their children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 I know they're afraid of that.\u00a0 Let me just say something related to that.\u00a0 I think it's important for us to remove all of those things, images in children's minds that cause nightmares and emotional problems.\u00a0 Most children do have some time where they're experiencing some emotional traumas about things that they've seen.\u00a0 But if we would remove all of those sorts of things and focus on the one thing God says truly should be feared, and that is an eternity in hell, I think we'd be doing our kids the right way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Somebody says, \"Well, Jim, aren't you going to create some nightmare in your children?\"\u00a0 I say it's worth it.\u00a0 Now, I'm not a child abuser, but I believe it is worth some nights of nightmares, if that's what it took, and my children aren't experiencing that, but it would be worth it instead of experiencing the eternal nightmare of hell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as you were talking, I was thinking that some parents wouldn't think hardly anything of allowing their children to watch maybe a television program that was one that had some fear involved where they were afraid and trembled at that thought.\u00a0 But if you talk about teaching your kids to tremble about the truth \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0To tremble at the thought of hell, well, all of a sudden, flags and alarms go off, and people say \"Halt,\" and \"Stop.\"\u00a0 Well, I think that's a ploy of the enemy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I go back to my childhood, and a part of my conversion as a child was an intense imaging of what hell was like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes, that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And in those days when the Gospel was preached, hell was pictured vividly for me, and I remember going to sleep as a child, I was afraid.\u00a0 I was terrified. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, what that did for me as a young child was it created within me an intense need for a Savior, because the reality was I realized apart from having God's provision for my sin, and I could probably never have explained all the nuances of justification by faith, but I'm going to tell you something, I experienced it.\u00a0 As a child, I experienced it, because that picture of hell ended up creating a need within me for a Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It's been my practice to talk to people about Christ for a number of years in various settings, of course, and I used not to talk about hell so much.\u00a0 But one day I realized I can't be more sophisticated than Jesus about this.\u00a0 And I decided to speak the truth about hell in the most vivid terms as Jesus did, and it is producing wonderful results.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It is an instrument of God to bring people to their need of Christ.\u00a0 Now, only Christ saves, but it brings them there as God intended.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right, and what a parent needs to realize is this is a tool that God gives us to cooperate with the Holy Spirit as He convicts our children of their need of a Savior and how they can come into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Dennis, could I read something for us here that is so enlightening about the whole idea of conviction.\u00a0 Charles Spurgeon is a household name to a lot of evangelicals.\u00a0 He was a pastor, the prince of preachers in London over 100 years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Maybe even better than Swindoll.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I'm going to let you make the decision about that, but here is what he said.\u00a0 He said, \"For five years, as a child, there was nothing before my eyes but my guilt.\"\u00a0 Now, he was converted when he was about, I think, 16 or 15, so here we're talking about an 11-year-old child, he began to feel his conviction.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"Wherever I went, the law had a demand upon my thoughts, upon my words, upon my rising, upon my resting.\u00a0 What I did and what I did not do all came under the cognizance of the law.\u00a0 I seemed as if I was a sinner and nothing else but a sinner.\u00a0 Was there ever a bond slave who had more bitterness of soul than I?\u00a0 Five years a captive in the dungeons of the low until my youth seemed as if it would turn into premature old age.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When God, the Holy Spirit, first quickened me, little did I know of the precious blood, which has put my sins away and drowned them in the depths forever.\"\u00a0 Now, he knew all about it in his mind, but he didn't know it in his experience through the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 \"But I did know this \u2013 that I could not remain as I was; that I could not rest happy unless I became something better, something purer than I was.\u00a0 And, oh, how my spirit cried to God with groanings.\u00a0 I say, without exaggeration, groanings that could not be uttered.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, listen to what he says, \"I tried a long time to improve myself, but I never did make much of it.\u00a0 I found I had a devil within me when I began, and I had 10 devils when I left off.\u00a0 Instead of becoming better, I became worse.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Can I say something here about that?\u00a0 That's the nature of the law, and as the commandments of God, which is so much a part of what we teach children, become real to children \u2013 the more you know them the more guilty you are.\u00a0 So that's what was happening to him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Then he said, \"I labored to believe.\"\u00a0 It's a strange way of putting it, yet it was so.\u00a0 \"When I wish to believe, I found I could not.\"\u00a0 Now, I find a lot of that terminology in times past.\u00a0 Listen to this \u2013 \"It seemed to me that the way to heaven by Christ's righteousness was as difficult as by my own, and that I could as soon get to heaven by Sinai\" \u2013 that is, by the law \u2013 \"as by Calvary.\u00a0 I could do nothing.\u00a0 I could neither repent nor believe.\u00a0 I fainted with despair feeling as if I must be lost despite the Gospel and be forever driven from Jehovah's presence even though Christ had died.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, it's a long quote, but let me say a little bit more because this is so significant.\u00a0 He said, \"I used to hear a minister whose preaching was, as far as I could make it out, 'Do this and do that and do the other, and you will be saved.'\u00a0 According to his theory, to pray was a very easy thing, to make yourself a new heart was a thing of a few instance and could be done at almost anytime, and I really thought that I could turn to Christ when I pleased.\u00a0 But when the Lord gave my soul its first shakings and conviction, I soon knew better.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He described conviction as \"a spiritual experience, which is thoroughly flavored with a deep and bitter sense of sin and is of great value to him that hath it.\"\u00a0 It's a great quote.\u00a0 It tells the truth about it, I think.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I really does, Jim, and, you know, I think it's a great reminder today for evangelical Christians to realize the power of the Gospel to redeem.\u00a0 I think sometimes we have made the Gospel such a feel-good Gospel, such a user-friendly Gospel, we've forgotten that the Gospel is the God who we sinned against, reaching out of heaven and redeeming us and calling us to faith in His Son, Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's right, and there is a wrenching away from the old life, and God uses conviction to tear us away from the things which we once loved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0One friend of mine said this \u2013 he gave his testimony at his conversion.\u00a0 He said, \"The Savior became as irresistible to me as my sin had been before.\"\u00a0 That's the work of the Holy Spirit, wrenching him away from sin and to the Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, I came across a quote a while back, and I don't remember who said it, but someone said, \"The Bible teaches us that we are to love our neighbors and, hallelujah, He is risen.\"\u00a0 Both of those are true but only one of those is the Gospel and, really, that's what we've been trying to help parents understand, because the Gospel is a mystery.\u00a0 What God is doing in salvation, while the Scripture makes it simple and clear, there's a lot there that goes beyond our ability to process.\u00a0 It is the work of God in a person's life to change that person into a new creation in Christ, and it's what we hope for for our children, it's what we want to see happen in their lives.\u00a0 We want to be instruments in the hands of God to help lead them to saving faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I found a helpful book by Ray Comfort on that subject.\u00a0 It's a book called \"How to Bring Your Children to Christ and Keep Them There, Avoiding the Tragedy of False Conversion,\" and that book, along with the book that you wrote, Dennis, called \"Growing a Spiritually Strong Family,\" I think, are two very helpful books for parents on this subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We've got both of these books in our FamilyLife Resource Center, and I want to invite our listeners, go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 When you get to the home page, you'll see a red button in the middle of the screen.\u00a0 If you click that button, it will take you right to an area of the site where there is information about these books I've talked about and other resources available from us here at FamilyLife to help us first understand the Gospel ourselves and then be able to clearly explain it to our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, our website is FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click the red button that says \"Go,\" and if you are interested in both of the books that I mentioned, we'll send along at no additional cost the CD audio of our extended conversation with Jim Elliff on this subject, so you can review it again or pass it along to someone who might benefit from hearing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The website is FamilyLife.com or our toll-free number is 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY \u2013 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 Someone on our team will answer any questions you have about these resources or let you know how you can get them sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You know, when I think about the Gospel and children, I can't help but think of the tool that we put together a number of years ago, Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 Every year at Easter a lot of our listeners contact us to get a set of these Resurrection Eggs because it's a great way to help young children understand the story of Easter, be able to remember the story of Easter, and to begin to understand the implications of that story and what that means for their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0This year we wanted to ask you to become a part of our distribution network for these Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 We'd like to get them out to some folks who wouldn't normally receive a set of these Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 So here is what we're asking \u2013 if you will make a donation this month to the ministry of FamilyLife Today, a donation of any amount, we will, first of all, send you a set of Resurrection Eggs either for your family or, if you already have a set, we'll send you a set to give away to a neighbor, a friend, a loved one, someone in your family but preferably someone who doesn't know the Gospel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You know, at Eastertime you can give them an Easter present, and it won't seem all that unusual for you to do that.\u00a0 So we'll send you a set of Resurrection Eggs, and you become a part of the distribution network that way and, at the same time, when you make a donation of any amount, we'll send a set of Resurrection Eggs to the folks at Here's Life Inner City, and they will make sure that set gets in the hands of a child or a family living in the inner city so that they can hear the Gospel message at Easter as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So let me encourage you \u2013 go to our website, make a donation online.\u00a0 When you do, as you're filling out the form online for your donation, you'll see a keycode box.\u00a0 Just type the word \"eggs\" in that box, and we'll know that you want to join with us in this effort during the month of March.\u00a0 Again, the website is FamilyLife.com, type the word \"eggs\" in the keycode box when you get in touch with us, or call 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 Make your donation over the phone and mention that you'd like to take part in helping get Resurrection Eggs out to more people this year, and we'll make sure we get a set off to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We want to say thanks for partnering with us in this effort, and thanks for your financial support of the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, tomorrow we're going to pick up our conversation and talk about the mystery of salvation \u2013 the parts that we can see and the parts that we can't see and how we can understand what's going on when God truly does change somebody's life as they repent and believe in the Gospel.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus 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can you tell if your child is a Christian? Today on the broadcast, Christian Communicators Worldwide founder, Jim Elliff, reveals the three words that will help parents know if their child is really walking in the faith--conviction, revelation and regeneration.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2007-03-08.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It is true that if one believes in Jesus Christ, they have eternal life \u2013 John 6:47 \u2013 \"He who believes has eternal life.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The question is, have we really believed and has that child really believed in the proper way.\u00a0 There are false kinds of faith that will lead a child down a wrong path and end him up in hell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, March 8th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Can you identify what true belief looks like in your child's life?\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition of our broadcast.\u00a0 Dennis, I remember, years ago I was living out in California at the time, coming home from work one day, and Mary Ann said, \"Guess what happened today?\"\u00a0 And I said \"What?\"\u00a0 She said we were out taking a walk, I think Amy was almost four at the time, Katy was a newborn, and Katy was in the stroller, and Amy was walking alongside Mary Ann and, at some point in the walk, Amy said to Mary Ann, \"I'd like to invite Jesus to come live in my heart.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it kind of took Mary Ann by surprise, but they stopped there, and they prayed together, and they asked Jesus to come and live in Amy's heart.\u00a0 And I remember, as Mary Ann was telling me the story, I thought to myself, \"Can a child who is almost four years old really understand what she means when she prays and commits her life to Christ?\"\u00a0 And even if she can, did Amy really do that when she prayed a prayer with her mom this morning?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And those are the kinds of issues we have been wrestling with all this week on the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, and Jim Elliff joins us for a fourth day here on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Jim, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Jim, you have a ministry that really surrounds the world.\u00a0 You write, you speak, you counsel folks, you minister to pastors, and you have a unique burden in this area.\u00a0 You really believe parents need to carry the responsibility for introducing their kids to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Let me just pose the question that Bob just started with \u2013 what about Amy at three-and-a-half years of age?\u00a0 Did she become a Christian?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Frankly, I think it is possible for anybody to become a Christian, but detecting whether that child is a Christian is another matter altogether.\u00a0 And in the history of Christendom, as we have mentioned before, it was not really the custom to immediately express in a public way that this child would have become a true believer in Christ except in very unusual occasions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you're saying this is a modern-day phenomena then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I think it's much more modern, I really do.\u00a0 I think \u2013 I don't know all of history, of course, but my study yields that kind of information, which I have expressed.\u00a0 Normally they would wait often into early adulthood or teenage years when they were faced with a choice between their peers and Christ; where they had to stand \u2013 of course, in times of martyrdom these things became more clear, or in times of great revival, perhaps there might be a surge of younger people.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But the normative thing was for their public profession of faith to be much later when it was tested.\u00a0 After all, it is a valid profession of faith that we're looking for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, how would you counsel a mom or a dad who called you and said, \"My three-and-a-half-year-old wanted to pray to receive Christ this afternoon.\"\u00a0 I led them in that prayer.\u00a0 What now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I would say you ought to be very encouraging and thank God that your child is dealing with that sort of issue and thinking seriously.\u00a0 But then speak to them about knowing for sure.\u00a0 How does one know for sure?\u00a0 After all, the issue is not whether that child prayed a prayer.\u00a0 There are lots of people who have prayed a prayer and are not really God's children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But the issue is whether that child has life from God, and if that child has life from God, it will be evidenced as the days go on in such a way that one could tell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I hear you saying a couple of things there.\u00a0 First of all, almost in the words of Christ, \"Hinder not the children who want to come to Christ.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And don't discourage a child who is spiritually being receptive to God, responding to God, drawing near to God, that use that as an opportunity to interact with that child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0A second thing I hear you saying is to take those opportunities as a process of childhood to introduce your child to Christ.\u00a0 Over and over and over again, not that they become a Christian over and over and over again, but that you are using these opportunities to reinforce what the Gospel is and how a child can come to know Jesus Christ as personal Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Jim, I want you to help us, as parents \u2013 well, put on our radar units and help us become spiritually astute in knowing what to look for in our kids as they begin to respond to God?\u00a0 What should we, first of all, look for in our children's lives?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, that's the right kind of question, because we haven't ever made a Christian ourselves.\u00a0 Only God makes Christians.\u00a0 So we have to observe the work of God, and we cooperate with the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If I could just say in the beginning, one of the things that we are not necessarily saying that is an indication of a true conversion is that children ask questions.\u00a0 For instance, if you were a Buddhist or some other religious group, it would be normal for a child of a certain age to ask questions.\u00a0 If somebody says, \"My child is asking questions, I think they must be near conversion,\" I say, \"Well, congratulations, your child is at least of average intelligence,\" because that is just a normal thing to do.\u00a0 It's not necessarily an indication of God at work through His Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There are three words, though, and they're theological words, and I hope our listeners don't mind, but I think it's very important to mention these words.\u00a0 There are three words that I think do help us understand the work of the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 The first is the word \"conviction,\" the second is the word \"revelation,\" and the third is the word \"regeneration.\"\u00a0 Those three words, I think, could help us considerably.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, let's take this first one, then, conviction of sin.\u00a0 In order to really allow a child to be convicted of sin, that means they've got to understand that they have a bad heart.\u00a0 Now, that's not going to fly with a lot of parents, because that means you've got to convince a child that he's got a bad heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, it's one of the great mistakes we've made these days in not telling our children the truth.\u00a0 I don't think we have the freedom to not tell the truth, and the Bible says that heart of a person without Christ is a sinful heart, and the actions of that heart will reap an eternal hell, and we need to help our children see that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I think one of the best ways, though, Dennis and Bob, to help our children get ahold of this idea is to really use the commands of Scripture to do it.\u00a0 The commands of Scripture have a purpose \u2013 not only to guide the Christian in what to do, but it helps the non-believer recognize that he or she is a sinner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0After all, sin is a lawlessness, according to 1 John, chapter 3.\u00a0 You might remember the Apostle Paul.\u00a0 He said, \"I once thought myself alive,\" and I'm paraphrasing there, \"but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.\"\u00a0 He saw himself \u2013 he was a Pharisee.\u00a0 He thought he was living blameless life in terms of the law of God, but when the Holy Spirit convicted him, then the commandment came with a new force, and it brought real deep conviction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So one of the things we ought to be look for in a child who has made a profession is that child sensing himself or herself a sorrow, a repentant heart, as they face their own sins?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 Sorrow is a good word, and it's a word the Bible uses.\u00a0 There is a sorrow of the world, and there's a sorrow of God, and one leads to salvation; the other leads to death.\u00a0 And you remember Judas was sorry, wasn't he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0But he had the sorrow of the world.\u00a0 He was probably more sorry than a lot of people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It led all the way to physical death.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I think what I want parents to hear at this point is that they need to allow the Holy Spirit freedom to convict their children that they need a Savior; that they're not good, they're bad, they're sinful, they're sick, and they need redemption, the forgiveness of sins.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes, how can we help a child come to the Savior unless he knows he needs the Savior.\u00a0 This is God's process, and it's beautiful and effective, and we should cooperate with the Holy Spirit in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So how is that different, then, than conviction of righteousness?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, the second matter, which Jesus spoke of, was righteousness because He said, \"I go to my Father, and you see Me no more,\" and that's a difficult phrase to understand, but I think what He's saying here is this \u2013 not only is He convicting of sin in our life, unbelief being the fountainhead of all that sin \u2013 \"because you do not believe in me,\" He said, \"but of righteousness,\" meaning that Christ is the only righteousness.\u00a0 There is no other righteousness that is acceptable before the Father but Jesus Christ, and He is the only way to the Father.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It's just as conceivable that a child have dependence upon their good works as it is for an adult who is religious to have a dependency upon his or her good works.\u00a0 In fact, maybe moreso if we have esteemed them in a wrong way; if we have just made them think that they have such a good heart, they might think that they have earned a way on their own merits to be acceptable to God.\u00a0 And this would be an error.\u00a0 Christ is the only righteousness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Tell me what that would look like in one of the Elliff children?\u00a0 They are getting convicted of their sin, they are being convicted of righteousness by the Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I think that child will see that there is no other escape but Christ.\u00a0 He is the only escape.\u00a0 I saw some literature one time, it was young people's literature in a particular denomination.\u00a0 It had a church and then some stars around the outside edge, and it had all the various religions \u2013 Buddhism and Islam, and it had Christianity among the others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And the title was \"Many Ways to God.\"\u00a0 There aren't many ways to God.\u00a0 There is only one way to God, and when that child begins to feel that intensely and say, \"My only hope is Jesus,\" then they are much closer to true conversion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It would seem to me, 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way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Somebody says, \"Well, Jim, aren't you going to create some nightmare in your children?\"\u00a0 I say it's worth it.\u00a0 Now, I'm not a child abuser, but I believe it is worth some nights of nightmares, if that's what it took, and my children aren't experiencing that, but it would be worth it instead of experiencing the eternal nightmare of hell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as you were talking, I was thinking that some parents wouldn't think hardly anything of allowing their children to watch maybe a television program that was one that had some fear involved where they were afraid and trembled at that thought.\u00a0 But if you talk about teaching your kids to tremble about the truth \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0To tremble at the thought of hell, well, all of a sudden, flags and alarms go off, and people say \"Halt,\" and \"Stop.\"\u00a0 Well, I think that's a ploy of the enemy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I go back to my childhood, and a part of my conversion as a child was an intense imaging of what hell was like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Yes, that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And in those days when the Gospel was preached, hell was pictured vividly for me, and I remember going to sleep as a child, I was afraid.\u00a0 I was terrified. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, what that did for me as a young child was it created within me an intense need for a Savior, because the reality was I realized apart from having God's provision for my sin, and I could probably never have explained all the nuances of justification by faith, but I'm going to tell you something, I experienced it.\u00a0 As a child, I experienced it, because that picture of hell ended up creating a need within me for a Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It's been my practice to talk to people about Christ for a number of years in various settings, of course, and I used not to talk about hell so much.\u00a0 But one day I realized I can't be more sophisticated than Jesus about this.\u00a0 And I decided to speak the truth about hell in the most vivid terms as Jesus did, and it is producing wonderful results.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It is an instrument of God to bring people to their need of Christ.\u00a0 Now, only Christ saves, but it brings them there as God intended.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right, and what a parent needs to realize is this is a tool that God gives us to cooperate with the Holy Spirit as He convicts our children of their need of a Savior and how they can come into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Dennis, could I read something for us here that is so enlightening about the whole idea of conviction.\u00a0 Charles Spurgeon is a household name to a lot of evangelicals.\u00a0 He was a pastor, the prince of preachers in London over 100 years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Maybe even better than Swindoll.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I'm going to let you make the decision about that, but here is what he said.\u00a0 He said, \"For five years, as a child, there was nothing before my eyes but my guilt.\"\u00a0 Now, he was converted when he was about, I think, 16 or 15, so here we're talking about an 11-year-old child, he began to feel his conviction.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"Wherever I went, the law had a demand upon my thoughts, upon my words, upon my rising, upon my resting.\u00a0 What I did and what I did not do all came under the cognizance of the law.\u00a0 I seemed as if I was a sinner and nothing else but a sinner.\u00a0 Was there ever a bond slave who had more bitterness of soul than I?\u00a0 Five years a captive in the dungeons of the low until my youth seemed as if it would turn into premature old age.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When God, the Holy Spirit, first quickened me, little did I know of the precious blood, which has put my sins away and drowned them in the depths forever.\"\u00a0 Now, he knew all about it in his mind, but he didn't know it in his experience through the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 \"But I did know this \u2013 that I could not remain as I was; that I could not rest happy unless I became something better, something purer than I was.\u00a0 And, oh, how my spirit cried to God with groanings.\u00a0 I say, without exaggeration, groanings that could not be uttered.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, listen to what he says, \"I tried a long time to improve myself, but I never did make much of it.\u00a0 I found I had a devil within me when I began, and I had 10 devils when I left off.\u00a0 Instead of becoming better, I became worse.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Can I say something here about that?\u00a0 That's the nature of the law, and as the commandments of God, which is so much a part of what we teach children, become real to children \u2013 the more you know them the more guilty you are.\u00a0 So that's what was happening to him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Then he said, \"I labored to believe.\"\u00a0 It's a strange way of putting it, yet it was so.\u00a0 \"When I wish to believe, I found I could not.\"\u00a0 Now, I find a lot of that terminology in times past.\u00a0 Listen to this \u2013 \"It seemed to me that the way to heaven by Christ's righteousness was as difficult as by my own, and that I could as soon get to heaven by Sinai\" \u2013 that is, by the law \u2013 \"as by Calvary.\u00a0 I could do nothing.\u00a0 I could neither repent nor believe.\u00a0 I fainted with despair feeling as if I must be lost despite the Gospel and be forever driven from Jehovah's presence even though Christ had died.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, it's a long quote, but let me say a little bit more because this is so significant.\u00a0 He said, \"I used to hear a minister whose preaching was, as far as I could make it out, 'Do this and do that and do the other, and you will be saved.'\u00a0 According to his theory, to pray was a very easy thing, to make yourself a new heart was a thing of a few instance and could be done at almost anytime, and I really thought that I could turn to Christ when I pleased.\u00a0 But when the Lord gave my soul its first shakings and conviction, I soon knew better.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He described conviction as \"a spiritual experience, which is thoroughly flavored with a deep and bitter sense of sin and is of great value to him that hath it.\"\u00a0 It's a great quote.\u00a0 It tells the truth about it, I think.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I really does, Jim, and, you know, I think it's a great reminder today for evangelical Christians to realize the power of the Gospel to redeem.\u00a0 I think sometimes we have made the Gospel such a feel-good Gospel, such a user-friendly Gospel, we've forgotten that the Gospel is the God who we sinned against, reaching out of heaven and redeeming us and calling us to faith in His Son, Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's right, and there is a wrenching away from the old life, and God uses conviction to tear us away from the things which we once loved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0One friend of mine said this \u2013 he gave his testimony at his conversion.\u00a0 He said, \"The Savior became as irresistible to me as my sin had been before.\"\u00a0 That's the work of the Holy Spirit, wrenching him away from sin and to the Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, I came across a quote a while back, and I don't remember who said it, but someone said, \"The Bible teaches us that we are to love our neighbors and, hallelujah, He is risen.\"\u00a0 Both of those are true but only one of those is the Gospel and, really, that's what we've been trying to help parents understand, because the Gospel is a mystery.\u00a0 What God is doing in salvation, while the Scripture makes it simple and clear, there's a lot there that goes beyond our ability to process.\u00a0 It is the work of God in a person's life to change that person into a new creation in Christ, and it's what we hope for for our children, it's what we want to see happen in their lives.\u00a0 We want to be instruments in the hands of God to help lead them to saving faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I found a helpful book by Ray Comfort on that subject.\u00a0 It's a book called \"How to Bring Your Children to Christ and Keep Them There, Avoiding the Tragedy of False Conversion,\" and that book, along with the book that you wrote, Dennis, called \"Growing a Spiritually Strong Family,\" I think, are two very helpful books for parents on this subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We've got both of these books in our FamilyLife Resource Center, and I want to invite our listeners, go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 When you get to the home page, you'll see a red button in the middle of the screen.\u00a0 If you click that button, it will take you right to an area of the site where there is information about these books I've talked about and other resources available from us here at FamilyLife to help us first understand the Gospel ourselves and then be able to clearly explain it to our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, our website is FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click the red button that says \"Go,\" and if you are interested in both of the books that I mentioned, we'll send along at no additional cost the CD audio of our extended conversation with Jim Elliff on this subject, so you can review it again or pass it along to someone who might benefit from hearing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The website is FamilyLife.com or our toll-free number is 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY \u2013 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 Someone on our team will answer any questions you have about these resources or let you know how you can get them sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You know, when I think about the Gospel and children, I can't help but think of the tool that we put together a number of years ago, Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 Every year at Easter a lot of our listeners contact us to get a set of these Resurrection Eggs because it's a great way to help young children understand the story of Easter, be able to remember the story of Easter, and to begin to understand the implications of that story and what that means for their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0This year we wanted to ask you to become a part of our distribution network for these Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 We'd like to get them out to some folks who wouldn't normally receive a set of these Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 So here is what we're asking \u2013 if you will make a donation this month to the ministry of FamilyLife Today, a donation of any amount, we will, first of all, send you a set of Resurrection Eggs either for your family or, if you already have a set, we'll send you a set to give away to a neighbor, a friend, a loved one, someone in your family but preferably someone who doesn't know the Gospel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You know, at Eastertime you can give them an Easter present, and it won't seem all that unusual for you to do that.\u00a0 So we'll send you a set of Resurrection Eggs, and you become a part of the distribution network that way and, at the same time, when you make a donation of any amount, we'll send a set of Resurrection Eggs to the folks at Here's Life Inner City, and they will make sure that set gets in the hands of a child or a family living in the inner city so that they can hear the Gospel message at Easter as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So let me encourage you \u2013 go to our website, make a donation online.\u00a0 When you do, as you're filling out the form online for your donation, you'll see a keycode box.\u00a0 Just type the word \"eggs\" in that box, and we'll know that you want to join with us in this effort during the month of March.\u00a0 Again, the website is FamilyLife.com, type the word \"eggs\" in the keycode box when you get in touch with us, or call 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 Make your donation over the phone and mention that you'd like to take part in helping get Resurrection Eggs out to more people this year, and we'll make sure we get a set off to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We want to say thanks for partnering with us in this effort, and thanks for your financial support of the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, tomorrow we're going to pick up our conversation and talk about the mystery of salvation \u2013 the parts that we can see and the parts that we can't see and how we can understand what's going on when God truly does change somebody's life as they repent and believe in the Gospel.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t________________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts for you. 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