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that meets the needs of others.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2007-01-22.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You remember the television show, \"The Galloping Gourmet,\" with Graham Kerr?\u00a0 Do you know at one time Graham Kerr was the most recognizable television personality in the world?\u00a0 Well, Graham Kerr knew it, and that was not good for his spiritual health.\u00a0 Here is his wife, Treena.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0Graham was a nice person.\u00a0 You know, he was one of those people that are a good person.\u00a0 He was into things, and he liked money, and he wanted to be a success, and he did have a bit of \u2013 a big ego, actually.\u00a0 That's why I thought it would take him quite a long time to come and know Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Monday, January 22nd.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 So when you're rich and famous and a good person, how does God get your attention?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us.\u00a0 I knew we were going to be in trouble, because \u2013 and our listeners don't realize this \u2013 but you fancy yourself as something of a practitioner of the culinary arts, don't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You might call me a good chap in the kitchen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And I've always kind of taken that as just \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I've got two good dishes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I've always taken that as \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0But I can work them, I can work them, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 puffery.\u00a0 I always thought you were just kind of puffing yourself up until I had your blackened salmon, and it was really very good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I have to tell our guests, Graham and Treena Kerr join us on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Graham, Treena, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0Thank you very much for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob has really bad-mouthed my cooking for years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Without trying it, I was just bad-mouthing it because he was bragging about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And so I made him some of my blackened salmon, and I found him.\u00a0 He'd completely wrapped his lips around the entire plate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It was really quite good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0That is a capacious mouth to do that, unless it was a very small plate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We won't go anywhere with that, trust me.\u00a0 Well, we have the Galloping Gourmet joining us on FamilyLife Today, and for some of our listeners who don't know who that is, you might say you were a bit of a pioneer in a food show on television, wouldn't you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Oh, yes.\u00a0 You know, we were the pioneers, because I was sort of the cook who was wound up and shoved on and madam here was the producer who said \"You are the most unutterably boring man in the entire world and need to do something about that.\"\u00a0 I was 26 years old, and I said, \"Well, if you're so clever, why don't you do it.\"\u00a0 This was before the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And Treena said, \"I will,\" and stormed down to New Zealand Broadcasting House at the time where we were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And how long was that television program, \"The Galloping Gourmet\" on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Well, do you know, really, that Galloping Gourmet, which we like to say is a television program rather than a person.\u00a0 It was a construction, and that was 427 episodes.\u00a0 It started in '68, and the first-run programs finished off in about '72.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And so you could help me with my two dishes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0If I could, maybe.\u00a0 I mean, I'm not sure that I want to go there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You could expand \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 expand the repertoire?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0I could certainly expand your horizons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I don't want to expand my waist, though, so it's just good that I've got these two, you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Excellent, that I can help with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, you've written a book called \"Recipe for Life,\" and it's subtitled, \"How to Change Habits that Harm into Resources that Heal.\"\u00a0 And they also have been married 51 years, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Isn't that cool?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Yeah, that's right, and this is our first real book together, as well.\u00a0 So we're joint authors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I want to take you to, really, the core of your story, which begins with Treena's conversion to Christ, and you saying that God turned out all the lights.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0In your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Yes, completely.\u00a0 All I knew was that I had an encounter with a physician who came to me and said, \"You know, I'm a Roman Catholic, I believe in miracles.\u00a0 I've never been able to see one that I haven't been able to medically disprove somehow.\"\u00a0 Oh, yeah, well, that happened because of this or that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And then his eyes filled up with tears, and he said, \"But I have to tell you that in this case I cannot give you an adequate explanation.\u00a0 God has reached into your life and your family, and you have a miracle \u2013 Treena is a miracle.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And that was it.\u00a0 He said, \"You just need to face up to that.\"\u00a0 So I went out in the garden, went up to a big tree that was there and discussed this with the tree.\u00a0 I know this is somewhat odd, but there we are.\u00a0 And I said, \"I know God made you, and I know God made me, and I know God made Treena but, as far as I'm concerned, the only one who has a personal relationship with you is Treena\" and said, \"I would like a miracle like she's had.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And nothing stirred, and I thought, \"Well, that's it.\"\u00a0 I turned and looked at the house, which was a gabled, marvelous \u2013 it had 10,800 square foot colonial mansion on the Chesapeake Bay, and it \u2013 all I can say to you is that I got my miracle immediately and didn't know it.\u00a0 What happened was when I asked for a miracle, God did precisely what was necessary for my life, and that was turn off all the lights.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I believe there are manufactured lights in things \u2013 watches and clothes and cars and all the rest of the things.\u00a0 They are designed to be desired, and that pinpoint of light in everything designed to be desired went out.\u00a0 There was nothing that was to be desired including my career.\u00a0 The only thing that was going on is Treena's eyes.\u00a0 Because when she came to the Lord, they lit up; I mean, they literally sparkled.\u00a0 There was a light there, she saw it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, in fact, you said from that garden you walked back into your unlit house, past your unlit pool \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Yes, the unlit car and the unlit boats to my one lit wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0To your one lit wife.\u00a0 What had taken place in your life, Treena?\u00a0 You had met the Savior, and He changed your life.\u00a0 He'd redeemed you from \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0I was the most awful person.\u00a0 I was very angry.\u00a0 I had a violent temper.\u00a0 I was a medical drug addict, and I was full of rejection and full of anger, and this little black girl came into our house to help us.\u00a0 Her name was Ruthie.\u00a0 We're still in touch with her, by the way, and she said to me one day, she said, \"Mrs. Kerr, I'm going to heaven.\"\u00a0 And I said, \"Well, that's very nice for you.\"\u00a0 And she said, \"Wouldn't you like to go to heaven, too?\"\u00a0 And I said, \"Well, darling, I\u2019m Christian.\u00a0 I was baptized in England.\"\u00a0 She said, \"What's that?\"\u00a0 I said, \"Sprinkled.\"\u00a0 She said, \"Oh, I don't mean that.\u00a0 I mean dying to your sins.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, anyway, she said, \"Would you like to come to church and be baptized?\"\u00a0 And I said, \"Well, Graham's going away on Monday.\u00a0 We're going to the movies on Monday night, so what about Tuesday?\"\u00a0 And it was a very windy, very, very cold night, and I took my daughter because I didn't know what I was getting used to.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Anyway, I get into this little church full of black people \u2013 all these black people had come from Ruthie's church, which is in Delaware, 100 miles away, to see this white lady that they'd been fasting and praying for, and I get into this church, and I'm sitting on the seat, and I \u2013 the big black pastor, he said to me before I'd sat down, he said, \"Do you know what you're doing?\"\u00a0 And I said, \"I most certainly do,\" in my very best English voice, and he said, \"Well, you might not get it tonight.\"\u00a0 And I said, \"I most certainly will.\"\u00a0 And Ruthie said, \"Yes, she's ready for it,\" whatever \"it\" was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So I changed into her white gown, and I sit on this pew, and I was looking at this bath water, and the pastor kept on praying, and he said, \"All the angels in heaven are going to be rejoiced,\" and I didn't know, really, what the heck he was talking about.\u00a0 And so we all stood up and, suddenly, just before I was to get in the water, I was really, literally, pushed on my knees.\u00a0 And it wasn't anybody.\u00a0 And as my knees hit the floor, this torrent of water \u2013 it wasn't tears, it was just like two taps being turned on, and I heard myself saying, \"I'm sorry, Jesus; forgive me, Jesus.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now I swore Jesus's name all the time, and I was saying this, and then the pastor said, \"Come and get into the water.\"\u00a0 So I got \u2013 and this water was freezing \u2013 not like somebody I know who has warm water, which had to be Graham, and that mine was ice cold water, and I got under this ice, was dunked in this water, and I got up, and I got the giggles and the pastor said, \"Have you received it, yet?\"\u00a0 And I said, \"No, but something very strange happened.\u00a0 I was thrown onto my knees just now,\" and he said, \"Well, would you like to tarry?\"\u00a0 And I said, \"What's tarry?\"\u00a0 And he said, \"That's waiting for the Holy Ghost.\"\u00a0 And I thought, \"Well, I might as well, as I'm there.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so I said, \"What do I do?\"\u00a0 And he said, \"You just kneel down, and you say 'thank you, Jesus,' for the gift He is going to give you.\"\u00a0 So I knelt down, and I was saying, \"Thank you, Jesus; Thank you, Jesus,\" and I didn't believe in Jesus at all.\u00a0 And, suddenly, this light came on my face, and I opened my eyes, and there was the most beautiful man I've ever seen, and He was smiling in that incredible smile that encompassed all relationships that had gone wrong in one's life, and He came forward, and He put His hand on my heart, and then He disappeared,\" and then the pastor said, \"Have you received it yet?\"\u00a0 And I said, \"I don't know, but I've just seen somebody,\" and he said, \"Well, you can come beckon at the day, sister,\" and then all these black brothers and sisters came and greeted me into the family, and my daughter, at this time, who I had taken with me, had run out of the church, and when I got \u2013 found her, finally, she said, \"Mummy, that's awful.\u00a0 That is evil.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I said, \"If that's evil, I like it.\"\u00a0 I said, \"I feel great.\"\u00a0 She said, \"Well, I hope you're not going to behave like that.\"\u00a0 And I said, \"Well, that's the way they behave,\" I said, \"but, you know, there's nothing wrong with it.\"\u00a0 And so she drove me home, because she didn't trust me, and Ruthie was going another way, so I got into bed, and I'd picked up the Bible I had purchased under Ruthie's tuition, \"Go and get one with red writing in, because that's what Jesus said,\" so I started reading it for the first time in my life and woke up with the thump on the floor, because I'd gone to sleep.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I heard this little voice saying, \"You have it.\"\u00a0 And so I ran upstairs to Tessa, and I said, \"I've got it, I've got it.\"\u00a0 She said, \"What you've got?\"\u00a0 I said, \"I don't know, but I have got it.\"\u00a0 And that was it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You were healed of your drug addiction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0Listen, I was \u2013 when I went back, I threw all my drugs down the toot, the loo, you understand, the lavatory, whatever you call it, the john.\u00a0 And I put them all the way down, threw everything down, and it was like a rainbow, and I threw them all away, all away.\u00a0 My drug addicts, and I was on \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Sixty-five milligrams of Valium a day at that time, and that's why the physician said, \"She is a miracle, because you cannot go overnight off that kind of a mix and not go into a coma.\"\u00a0 And she not only not went into a coma, she had a great night's sleep, never has had a sleeping pill since or any of those other medications in order to be able help her life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0He is my witness, you see.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I understand.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Yeah, and the whole family came to the Lord.\u00a0 I mean, you know, we were all \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0All within three months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0\u2026 definitely oppressed by this woman.\u00a0 You know, when I say \"oppressed\" she changed our attitude every day towards life, because life was a misery, and life was a constant barrage of unpredictable hostilities \u2013 just awful.\u00a0 And here emerged one night a loving and kind and gentle person who we just all fell in love with and said, \"This is our mum, our mother,\" and everything else.\u00a0 This is the woman we've all felt was there but wasn't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, I have often wondered as I have met folks or driven in neighborhoods where there are 10,000-square-foot homes and boats and swimming pools and cars.\u00a0 I've often wondered how much anger is behind those walls or how much pain is behind those walls, because you can have all of the trappings of the good life and not have the good life, can't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Yeah, I think it \u2013 well, it sometimes depends upon whether those trappings were taken on in order for people to think well of them.\u00a0 Especially, if that's the case, then that is a serious problem, I think, and that's because that was the problem I had.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I wore every possession I had as part of an appearance because I was on a ladder, you see, a huge, long ladder, and as far as the Galloping Gourmet was concerned, I was on the top right-hand side of that ladder, smiling and waving at the crowd.\u00a0 And this little fellow had about [audio break] called \"character\" was ahead about two rungs up on the other side, and I desperately wanted to be able to look through the rungs of the ladder in my own face, and I couldn't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so because of that, I simply built up this fictionary person so that I did seem to be a whole person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0So who we saw on TV was not you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Well, to some extent it was, yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0It was, because Graham was a nice person, you know?\u00a0 He was one of those people that are a good person, and he didn't have a temper.\u00a0 He was into things.\u00a0 He liked money, and he wanted to be a success, and he did have a bit of \u2013 a big ego, actually.\u00a0 That's why I thought it would take him quite a long to come and know Jesus, but it didn't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, I want to know how long it did take for you to come to know Christ?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Three months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Three months?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Yes, but then, you see, I had the best witness in the world who said nothing to me \u2013 no tracts, no \"Jesus loves you,\" in Vaseline on the shaving mirror so that when the whole bathroom steams up, it only leaves that.\u00a0 We know people who go around Holiday Inns doing that, by the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So Treena did not saying anything to you to preach \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Nothing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 to preach to you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Oh, no, no, no, no, absolutely nothing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0She knew that a big ego needed to fall hard, but it needed to fall by God slicing it down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0Well, you know, the thing I used to say to Ruthie, I said, \"We've just got to pray for him,\" which we used to get into the broom cupboard and pray, and I said, \"But, you know, he is competitive, and he'll want what I have from Jesus.\u00a0 We don't have to say anything.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And so how did you come to faith in Christ then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Just simply that day, by walking away from my things.\u00a0 For having all of the lights go out, I walked for 30 days, exactly, from that day when I asked God for a miracle and received it, not knowing it was.\u00a0 And I was so then away of Treena's miracle and so completely dissatisfied with all the things that had satisfied me before, that I was left on my knees in the Four Seasons Hotel in Ottawa \u2013 in Canada, where I was doing a recording, shouting at the ceiling and saying, \"I want a personal relationship with You, and I want it now.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I am pleased to tell you that He didn't respond to that, you know, this was not a sort of room service request.\u00a0 But I focused on where the corner of the ceiling meets the wall and about the closest thing to a cross I could find in that room, and then, in a much more pliant way said, \"What do I have to say to You to get to know You like Treena?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And then, out of my mouth, without a breath being taken, I just heard myself say \"Jesus?\u00a0 I love You,\" and I heard it and, as I say it now, I mean, just waves of emotion just sweep over one's body.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as I listen to your story, I just marvel at what happens when Jesus Christ takes up residence in a person's life.\u00a0 Wherever He goes, He changes people, He changes things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0He certainly does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And there's a verse I've been meditating on and trying to start out each day with \u2013 Galatians 2:20 \u2013 \"I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me.\u00a0 And the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and delivered Himself up for me.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0We were asked once in the youth for the mission training system if you have been crucified with Christ, how do you think that happens \u2013 actually, logically \u2013 how do you think that \u2013 go away now, spend this hour thinking about that and come back, and then we'll carry on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So I went away, and I'm a very visual person, so I looked at the cross, and I thought to myself, \"Lord, if I'm crucified with you, was I tacked on first?\"\u00a0 \"No.\"\u00a0 \"After?\"\u00a0 \"No, no.\"\u00a0 And I'm walking 'round the back of the cross, and there I was, shielded from public view completely, not the object at all.\u00a0 But I was nailed up there, and it was the most awful thing you have ever seen \u2013 I have ever seen.\u00a0 And I said, \"Oh, God, that's just awful.\u00a0 What does it mean?\"\u00a0 \"Oh,\" He said, \"You've confessed your sins.\u00a0 You've taken these to the cross, and I've forgiven you.\u00a0 What you see now is what remains that you think looks pretty good.\u00a0 And so, if you like, I'd like you to leave that there and come and follow Me.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And when we follow Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0No, now we follow Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0It's precisely that Scripture, and you can't follow Him unless He lives within you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, and He lives in and through us, His image does begin to emerge from us, and you're looking more and more like a servant these days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTreena:\u00a0Oh, please.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGraham:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, I could sit around with a whole bunch of people and just hear those stories like we've heard, couldn't you do it all day long?\u00a0 Because I never get tired of hearing people share about the transforming work of God in their lives.\u00a0 And I'm thinking of some of our listeners, Dennis, who have not experienced that transformation.\u00a0 You know, at the heart of the Gospel, there is a change that takes place.\u00a0 Our life is exchanged for the life of Christ.\u00a0 His death is offered as payment for our penalty, and we receive new life.\u00a0 And that's what the two of you have been talking about \u2013 the new life you've received from Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If any of our listeners have not experienced the transforming power of God to change a life like you've described today, there is a booklet that we'd like to send you.\u00a0 In fact, we talked about this last week.\u00a0 It's a booklet called \"Pursuing God,\" and it helps you understand how to have a relationship with Jesus Christ and how to walk in that relationship, how to grow in your understanding of who He is and grow closer to Him and be transformed by His power in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If you'd like a copy of that book, call us at 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 We'd love to send it to you at no cost for anyone who is interested in beginning a relationship with Jesus Christ.\u00a0 Call 1-800-358-6329, 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, ask for the free book \"Pursuing God.\"\u00a0 We would love to send it to you and help you however we can as you begin to get to know Jesus Christ in a personal relationship with Him \u2013 the kind that Graham and Treena have talked about today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There is also information about this book on our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 You can go there.\u00a0 There's a red button in the middle of the home page that says \"Go\" on it, and if you click that button, it will take you to a page where there is information about the book, \"Pursuing God.\"\u00a0 There\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 is also information about the book the Kerrs have written called \"Recipe for Life, How to Change Habits that Harm into Resources that Heal,\" and, in fact, we want to talk about that as we continue our conversation with the two of you this week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But for our listeners who are interested in your new book, \"Recipe for Life,\" it's available from us at our website at FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click the red button that says \"Go\" on the home page, and that will take you right to the area of the site where there is more information about these resources and other resources that are available from us here at FamilyLife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can also call 1-800-FLTODAY for more information about these resources.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Those of you who are regular listeners to our program probably know that FamilyLife Today is listener-supported.\u00a0 We're a nonprofit organization, and it's folks like you who listen and who believe in what we're doing who make this program possible in your community and in other cities all around the country.\u00a0 You do that through your financial support of our program, and coming up later this week on many of these same stations, we're going to be talking about how you can help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today on a regular monthly basis as a Legacy Partner.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We have a handful of listeners who do that now.\u00a0 They send donations each month to help support this ministry, and this week we're hoping that more of you will consider becoming a Legacy Partner.\u00a0 We're going to talk about that on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, again, on most of these same stations.\u00a0 So tune in and hear about that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Or if you'd like more information right now about being a Legacy Partner, go to our website, FamilyLife.com, click that red \"Go\" button we talk about, and that will take you right to the page where there's a link to give you information about becoming a Legacy Partner.\u00a0 And we hope many of you will consider joining with some of your neighbors who are already doing that and helping FamilyLife Today to be able to continue in this city and in other cities all across the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, tomorrow Graham and Treena Kerr are going to be back with us.\u00a0 We're going to talk about living out-dulgently \u2013 not indulgently but out-dulgently, and I love what you guys have to say on this subject.\u00a0 I hope our listeners can be back with us for this tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast 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