{"id":301249,"date":"2006-12-07T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-12-07T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/seeing-the-aids-crisis-through-gods-eye\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:42:32","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:42:32","slug":"seeing-the-aids-crisis-through-gods-eye","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/seeing-the-aids-crisis-through-gods-eye\/","title":{"rendered":"Seeing the AIDS Crisis Through God&#8217;s Eye"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rick and Kay Warren talk about the recent Global AIDS Summit held at Saddleback Church.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-12-07.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"","filesize_raw":"","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2848],"tags":[4912,4002],"podcast_series":[7491],"cwp_profile":[9047],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301249","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-cultural-issues","tag-aids","tag-reaching-out","podcast_series-addressing-the-global-aids-crisis","cwp_profile-rick-and-kay-warren","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301249\/seeing-the-aids-crisis-through-gods-eye","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301249\/seeing-the-aids-crisis-through-gods-eye","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"BvRlR4pbTs\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/seeing-the-aids-crisis-through-gods-eye\/\">Seeing the AIDS Crisis Through God&#8217;s Eye<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/seeing-the-aids-crisis-through-gods-eye\/embed\/#?secret=BvRlR4pbTs\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Seeing the AIDS Crisis Through God&#8217;s Eye&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"BvRlR4pbTs\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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everyone does.\u00a0 Here's Kay Warren.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0At the International AIDS Conference in Toronto, the closing session had a very dynamic speaker who went through and listed all the different takeaways of this five-day conference, and as he was listing them, people were standing up and cheering and shouting as their different ones that they really related to, and he talked about orphans that were left abandoned and alone, and there was silence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And my friend and I who were there looked at each other and said, \"They don't care.\u00a0 How can they not care?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, December 7th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Do we have a heart of compassion for those who are dying of AIDS and for the orphans they leave behind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition \u2013 actually, a special edition of the program.\u00a0 We are taping these just a few days before our listeners will hear them.\u00a0 We are in Southern California.\u00a0 Tell our listeners what brought you out here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, Rick and Kay Warren, who join us on FamilyLife Today, brought me out here to speak on behalf of HIV-AIDS orphans, and it was a privilege to partner with them around the AIDS pandemic that encircles the globe, and I have to say, though, at the end of the broadcast, I don't think in 14 years of doing FamilyLife Today with you, Bob, we have ever interviewed a Christian leader who was not wearing socks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I think you're right on that.\u00a0 I think that's \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Jesus never wore socks, and I always say, \"What would Jesus do?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I almost \u2013 when I was speaking day before yesterday, I almost introduced myself \u2013 I said, \"I'm Dennis Rainey.\u00a0 I'm from Arkansas, and I do wear shoes and socks.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Well, my mother was from Arkansas.\u00a0 She was from Bentonville, actually, but I wear socks because I subscribe to the Gilda Radner philosophy of fashion \u2013 I wear what doesn't itch.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So, you know, I dress for comfort.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Kay, I also want to welcome you to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You were actually the one that called me and invited me to come out here and speak, and we're thrilled you're here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Thank you, thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0This whole subject of HIV-AIDS \u2013 Rick is passionate about it, but he became passionate because first you felt the tug of God's spirit upon your heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0I did.\u00a0 God just \u2013 He changed my world in a flash one day.\u00a0 I was reading a news magazine sitting in my living room in my nice, comfortable house, and read a news article on orphans in Africa, and I didn't know what to do, but it's as though a brand-new reality happened to me.\u00a0 I sat there and thought, \"Do I even know a single orphan?\"\u00a0 And the answer was \"No.\"\u00a0 \"Do I even know anybody who is HIV-positive?\"\u00a0 \"No.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And to think that there could be 12 million children orphaned in one place due to one cause was \u2013 it rocked my world.\u00a0 It just absolutely rocked my world.\u00a0 It became this intense internal dialog at first \u2013 \"This just can't be true.\"\u00a0 I would know it if it were true, you know?\u00a0 And then it changed to, \"Well, maybe if it's true, there's nothing I can do about it.\u00a0 That's too big.\u00a0 That's too big for one person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0God not only tugged on your heart, you began to reorder your priorities around this cause.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0God did turn my world upside down, and the plan that I had in place at that moment, which was to travel around the world, be a Bible teacher, speak to pastor's wives, missionaries' wives \u2013 that's what I was doing at the time, so I thought that that was just going to continue.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And there's nothing wrong with that plan, it just wasn't God's plan.\u00a0 God had a completely different plan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Kay actually refers to herself as a seriously disturbed woman, and I would verify that \u2013 that she really has been disturbed by God \u2013 by God \u2013 since this happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And that heart for the orphan around AIDS, and we need to mention there are somewhere around 14 to 15 million \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Just in Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Just in Africa?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Just in Africa \u2013 that doesn't count \u2013 they don't have good records for how many in India and China.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Actually, in the \u2013 there's 164 million orphans worldwide it was reported at this conference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Those numbers vary, anywhere from 150 to 160, but around the world, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You took your disturbance across the pillow \u2013 to some pillow talk with the pastor of Saddleback.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, he was, at first \u2013 he was very supportive, and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Thought it was sweet for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0He thought it was sweet.\u00a0 He was rather patronizing, very kindly, you know, that's pat me on the head, \"That's great, honey.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0I did not pat you on the head.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, it was a verbal ..\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Kay was so supportive when I started Saddleback Church, and we were moving from Texas.\u00a0 I'd finished my degrees at seminary, and we moved to Southern California with no money, no members, no building.\u00a0 I'd never planted a church.\u00a0 So it's totally on faith, and I said, \"Well, what do you think about it?\"\u00a0 And she said, \"It scares me to death, but I believe in God, and I believe in you, so let's go for it.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I look back on that, and I go, \"Well, what if she had said no.\u00a0 How would history be different?\u00a0 How many people would not know Jesus Christ?\"\u00a0 You know, in the last 10 years here at Saddleback, we've baptized over 20,000 new believers.\u00a0 And so how would that be different if I'd \u2013 she'd said no, and I stayed.\u00a0 So when she supported me in my vision, when she started sharing the vision, I said, \"I'll support you in it,\" and, honestly, I said, \"It's not my vision, but I believe in what you're doing, and I'll support you.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0And it grew from that acceptance and support to \u2013 it was still the dream in my heart, but over a period of months, as we talked, and I would bring videos and articles and say, \"Read this, watch this, let's talk about that.\"\u00a0 It slowly began to \u2013 I mean, he's a very tenderhearted person.\u00a0 It's not like he was a hard-hearted person and I had to just beat down.\u00a0 It just took a while to shift his focus, to realize that it wasn't just something that I was passionate about, but that he needed to also be passionate about it, and, on top of that, our church needed to be passionate.\u00a0 It was just this little pebble in this pond that kept getting wider, and not only did our church need to be passionate about it, but the church of Christ around the world needed to be passionate about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0The lesson about this is, \"Pastors, listen to your wives.\u00a0 Husbands, listen to our wives,\" that they are in your life for a reason, and God wanted to speak to me.\u00a0 He spoke to Kay first, and then He spoke through Kay to me, and it grabbed my heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Do you remember a point in time where you said, \"Okay, I've got to take this seriously?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0I really don't, Bob.\u00a0 I think that, as she just began to feed me information, I'd begun to realize, \"How did I miss this?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, the Africa experience for you \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0It's such a big deal \u2013 well, the Africa experience, that's true \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Became a solidified moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0That would be the turning point.\u00a0 As she had been talking to me about it, and she was \u2013 go ahead and explain that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, I had gone to Africa.\u00a0 I went to Africa twice in about six weeks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0By yourself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Yes, I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Without Rick?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0The first trip was by myself, yes.\u00a0 And then about six weeks later I went again, and on that trip six weeks later, Rick went with me for part of it, and it was there in that trip for him that God took what we had been talking about, thinking about, praying about.\u00a0 But still, in my heart, and it changed for him in Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0The scales fell off my eyes, and I realized what a big deal this issue of orphans and particularly those orphaned by AIDS was.\u00a0 And it was a church \u2013 Kay went to learn from the churches how to deal with people who have HIV-AIDS, because Africans know so much more than we do about this.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So she went to learn from the churches, and I went to do what I do \u2013 I train leaders.\u00a0 And after it was over, I said, \"Take me out to a village.\u00a0 I just want to see a typical church.\"\u00a0 And so we went out into the middle of nowhere.\u00a0 I mean, we're in the bush, and we go out, and we find this little church that \u2013 it's just a tent, that's all they've got.\u00a0 And it's 75 members, 50 adults and 25 kids orphaned by AIDS \u2013 growing a garden, feeding them, they're teaching them in the school in the tent, and they are sleeping in the tent at night.\u00a0 And I thought, \"This church is doing more for orphans, and this church is doing more for people with AIDS than my mega church.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it broke my heart.\u00a0 And the pastor \u2013 that young pastor walked around the building, and he saw me, and I didn't know him and, of course, he didn't know I was coming, and he looks at me, and he says, \"I know who you are.\"\u00a0 I said, \"How do you know who I am?\"\u00a0 He said, \"You're Pastor Rick.\"\u00a0 I said, \"How do you know who I am?\"\u00a0 He said, \"I download your sermons every week.\"\u00a0 I said, \"How do you do that?\"\u00a0 I said, \"You don't even have water or electricity in this village.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He said, \"The South African government is putting the Internet in every post office.\"\u00a0 They're called PITs, Public Information Terminals.\u00a0 He said, \"Once a week I walk an hour and a half to the nearest post office.\u00a0 I download your sermon, I walk an hour and a half back to my church, and I teach it to my people.\"\u00a0 He said, \"You know, Pastor Rick, you're the only training I've ever had.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When I heard that, something inside me said, \"I will give the rest of my life to guys like this who are working on the orphan issue and the AIDS issue and the poverty issue and the illiteracy issue and the things that are what we call 'the global giants.'\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Rick, Kay, you have no way of knowing this, although I did allude to it briefly when I spoke here at Saddleback at the Global Summit, but just about the same time you guys were coming online around the HIV-AIDS issue, God was breaking Barbara's heart and mine around the issue of orphans as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I referred to it in my message, but back about four years ago, God began to do a work around the need to create a coalition of orphan agencies, orphan foundations, Christian leaders who wanted to do something about the orphan crisis, and, frankly, the issue of HIV-AIDS has come later.\u00a0 It has been as we've come through the side door into this house of people who are poor, unhealthy, and dying of AIDS, but it was the orphan who brought us into the house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0And you can't talk about HIV without talking about orphans, and you can't talk about orphans without talking about HIV.\u00a0 They really are interrelated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0But, Kay, you've mentioned that when you've spoken at HIV-AIDS conferences internationally, that the orphan is not even talked about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Oh, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0They're ignored.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0At these secular conferences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Oh, at the International AIDS Conference in Toronto this year, the closing session had a very dynamic speaker who went through and listed all the different takeaways of this five-day conference, and as he was listing them, people were standing up and cheering and shouting as their different ones that they really related to, and it was interesting to me \u2013 it caught my attention really early on, is he had these 15 things he was listing.\u00a0 So I started keeping score, if you will, on my piece of paper, an applause meter.\u00a0 I wanted to see what people were reacting to the most enthusiastically.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so issues about women and gender violence and how that was affecting the AIDS pandemic \u2013 people were standing up and cheering, and women having rights over their bodies, people standing up and cheering, and then the next one of the points was, \"and children with HIV,\" and the applause kind of got to a medium level, and he talked about orphans that were left abandoned and alone, and there was silence in the room \u2013 silence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Nobody clapped.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Nobody clapped.\u00a0 And then he moved on to other things, and the applause built again to this thunderous applause at the end where he again spoke about women.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And my friend and I who were there, looked at each other.\u00a0 She broke into tears, and I sat there with my mouth open, stunned, and we just looked at each other and said, \"They don't care.\u00a0 They don't care.\u00a0 How can they not care?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It's shocking, it's stunning, when children and orphans are on your radar screen.\u00a0 They truly are the most vulnerable \u2013 the most vulnerable person on the planet \u2013 it is a girl child.\u00a0 Children, as a class, are the most vulnerable, and then you move it to girl children \u2013 they are the most vulnerable to abuse, to exploitation, and to HIV.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And the thing that excites me about what you two are doing is \u2013 and we're doing the same thing \u2013 is you're calling the church to step up and do something that is so clear biblically.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0There is nothing ambiguous about it, as you say, Dennis.\u00a0 It's so clear in Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0James 1:27 \u2013 this is pure religion and, Rick, you've been a Christian leader for a while.\u00a0 There's a lot of Christianity out there, and, frankly, cynicism is sometimes \u2013 it gets a little tough to not become cynical at some of the things you and I have seen over the years among Christian leaders or among laymen that's labeled \"Christianity.\"\u00a0 It's hard to debate this, though, isn't it?\u00a0 When it steps in and cares for the orphan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0It's undebatable, and you know, Dennis, that, in many ways, the church has lost credibility with a large segment of our society \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 yes \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0\u2026 because of many different issues.\u00a0 Sometimes it's been a political issue, sometimes the personal failures of religious leaders \u2013 there are many different reasons that have caused that credibility gap.\u00a0 We're not going to gain that credibility back with the world and earn a right to be heard by our words.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Look at what we're doing and judge what we're doing, and if what we're doing is right, then it ought to be followed.\u00a0 If not, then don't follow it.\u00a0 That's the Jesus approach.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And as you brilliantly pointed out in the message here at the Global Summit on AIDS in the Church, how many Scriptures talk about the fatherless, talk about the orphans, and, actually, I believe if you adopt an orphan into your home, you're getting a special child that God has said, \"All right, I'm going to care about this one.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Let me ask all three of you \u2013 there are some who would look at this emphasis and say, \"You know, 50, 60 years ago, the church got distracted with what became known as the \"social gospel,\" and forgot evangelism, forgot the spiritual needs of people.\u00a0 Are we in danger of doing that again?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0No, we're not in danger of doing that, and I think that's a great question, though.\u00a0 It was even earlier than that, at the beginning of the 20th century, Protestantism split into two wings, and there were certain theologians who came out that said, \"We don't have to worry about redemption anymore.\u00a0 We don't have to worry about the cross and the atonement and personal salvation.\u00a0 What we need to do is redeem the social structures of society\" and, basically, all it was was Marxism in Christian clothing.\u00a0 That's really what it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, what happened is the liberals took the social justice issues \u2013 racism, injustice, poverty, things like that \u2013 and the conservatives, Bible believers, took the personal issues of morality \u2013 family, homosexuality, personal morality, and salvation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, who was right?\u00a0 I actually happen to believe they're both right \u2013 that Jesus cared about both the body and society.\u00a0 He cared about the spirit.\u00a0 He wanted people saved, but He also wanted us to act different in society.\u00a0 And, honestly, I would love to see a new reformation that brings those two back together that says, \"Jesus cares about the poor, the sick, the lame, the hurting\" \u2013 He clearly did \u2013 the orphans, the widows, without watering down the fact.\u00a0 And you know, in my heart, as an evangelist, everything I do has the motivation of sharing the good news.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, the Scripture says that it's the kindness of God that leads to repentance, and so to care for people's physical needs, for their bodies as well as their spirit, is those are not random things.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0People sometimes ask us, \"Do you have a hidden agenda?\"\u00a0 Absolutely not.\u00a0 We're very up front, because we believe in our personal relationship with Jesus Christ as being the most important part of our lives.\u00a0 Why wouldn't we want every person we meet to know Him as well?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So when we are serving, when we are loving, when we are being His hands and feet, it's not that, oh, so that we can add another notch to our belt, it's just in the same way that God's kindness led me to repentance; when I am kind to someone else, it softens and tenderizes their heart so that Jesus Christ can kind of walk across that bridge.\u00a0 I want for them what I want for me, which is wholeness with my Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0You know, let me just share a personal experience.\u00a0 This is really fresh, because a year ago I met a man with AIDS in New York City, who is an AIDS activist and had been thrown in jail many times for civil disobedience, and he had a bad view of the church because he thought the church was simply judging, putting down, and all these kind of things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I met him at a conference in New York a year ago, and I apologized to him.\u00a0 I said, \"I'd like to ask you to forgive me for all that has been done that hurt you in the name of Jesus Christ over the last 20 years, that was done in the name of Jesus that Jesus would disavow.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You would have thought I'd punched him in the gut.\u00a0 When I told this to him at the Global Health Summit by Bill Gates that I was the opening speaker at, it's like I had socked him, and he moved a foot back.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, I invited him out to the first AIDS Conference, and after it was over, he was just in awe, and I said, \"Well, what was your impression?\"\u00a0 He said, \"Well, first, I've never seen so many people who don't have AIDS at a conference.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0The HIV negative people coming to a conference on HIV.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Yeah, and he said, \"The second thing \u2013 I've never seen such love.\"\u00a0 And at the end of last year's conference, I talked with him, and he said, \"I've never felt such love,\" and he wept openly, and he said, \"My problem is I've learned to hate,\" and he said, \"How do I follow a Savior of love when you're so filled with hate.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Ah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0And I talked with him, and I won't go into all the details on that, and I said, \"I want you to think about your decision because I know that when you come to know Christ, you're going to become a Paul.\u00a0 It's going to be one of these \u2013 you were such a radical activist for 20 years, that when you make that decision, it will be a big turn.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, he came back this year and brought all kinds of AIDS activists with him to the conference, and this morning at breakfast he accepted Christ.\u00a0 And, in tears, just flowing freely, I heard the most authentic personal salvation prayer I've heard in 40 years of ministry, and it was just so touching, and I watched a man's heart turn.\u00a0 How?\u00a0 Because of kindness that opened a man's heart that Jesus Christ had come in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as I listen to you two, I hear what was the essence of Christ's life.\u00a0 He addressed people's physical needs and their spiritual needs, and, Bob, I think today we have set before the church a global opportunity where 40 million people are dying right now with AIDS.\u00a0 More than 100 million orphans worldwide who need help and who need hope.\u00a0 And, yes, we need to give them a cup of water in the name of Christ.\u00a0 But we also need to give them the living water of Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I know, at the conference, as you talked with folks about how the church can respond to this issue, you pointed them in the direction of the orphan, because that really is a very practical, tangible way that we can do something to show that we care about what's going on.\u00a0 I think there are other ways, but one easily accessible way for folks to respond to this issue of the AIDS crisis not only in Africa but in other parts of the world, is by caring for the orphans, some of whom are infected with AIDS and some of whom are abandoned because one or both of their parents have died from AIDS.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Our team has put together a resource that we're calling \"A Home for Every Child\" kit.\u00a0 It gives you very practical things you can do in your church or as a family to respond to the issue of orphans around the world.\u00a0 There's a book called \"Launching an Orphan's Ministry in Your Church,\" a DVD where Dennis and Barbara Rainey talk about how Christians ought to be responding to the needs of the fatherless.\u00a0 There's a book called \"Welcome Home\" that gives you the eight steps toward adoption, and then 10 things every Christian can do to care for the orphan and the waiting child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And this week we wanted to make these resources available to any of our listeners who can make a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 We are nearing the end of the year, and I know many of our listeners consider making a year-end contribution to FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 If you can do that this week, we would love to send you these resources as a way of saying thank you for your financial support for this ministry and, by the way, your donation this week will be matched on a dollar-for-dollar basis thanks to a matching gift that has been made available to us here at FamilyLife up to a total of $500,000.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So if we can hear from you this week with a donation of any amount either online at FamilyLife.com, or you can call 1-800-FLTODAY and make your donation over the phone and just mention that you'd like the orphan resources, or if you're donating online, when you come to the keycode box, just type in the word \"orphan,\" and we'll know to send these resources to you, again, as our way of saying thank you for your support of this ministry and also as our way of trying to get these resources in more hands so that more people might reach out with compassion and kindness and care for orphans and waiting children all around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, I decided to speak at Saddleback because of FamilyLife's mission to effectively develop godly marriages and families, both here in America and around the world.\u00a0 We are all about helping every family have a godly family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I just want to step in and speak to our listeners and to those who have partnered with us financially in the past, and just say right now would be a very good time for you to make a financial gift, a financial investment in FamilyLife.\u00a0 It costs money to establish kits like this, and I just want to put in my word for this kit.\u00a0 It's a fantastic kit \u2013 four different pieces including a DVD of Barbara and me giving a message about the need for churches to start Orphan Care ministries.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I just want to challenge our listeners \u2013 if you've benefited from the ministry of FamilyLife Today, and you believe in what we're doing here, just pick up the phone and call the 800 number or go online, as Bob has said, and make a generous gift and say, \"You know what?\u00a0 I believe in what you guys are doing, and I stand with you financially.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Now, once again, you can do that online at FamilyLife.com, or you can call us at 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 If you call, mentioned that you'd like the orphan kit.\u00a0 And if you donate online, when you come to the keycode box, just type in the word \"hope,\" and that will let us know that you'd like to have this resource sent to you and, again, thanks for your financial support of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, tomorrow we're going to get to some of the questions we weren't able to get to today about some of the controversial stuff that was in the news last week \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 no doubt \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0 \u2026 to this conference on AIDS.\u00a0 I hope you can join us for that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Wally, from here at Saddleback, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t________________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to transcribe, create, and produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, 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and Kay Warren talk about the recent Global AIDS Summit held at Saddleback Church.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-12-07.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Jesus instructed us to have a heart of compassion for those that He referred to as \"the least of these.\"\u00a0 Not everyone does.\u00a0 Here's Kay Warren.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0At the International AIDS Conference in Toronto, the closing session had a very dynamic speaker who went through and listed all the different takeaways of this five-day conference, and as he was listing them, people were standing up and cheering and shouting as their different ones that they really related to, and he talked about orphans that were left abandoned and alone, and there was silence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And my friend and I who were there looked at each other and said, \"They don't care.\u00a0 How can they not care?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, December 7th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Do we have a heart of compassion for those who are dying of AIDS and for the orphans they leave behind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition \u2013 actually, a special edition of the program.\u00a0 We are taping these just a few days before our listeners will hear them.\u00a0 We are in Southern California.\u00a0 Tell our listeners what brought you out here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, Rick and Kay Warren, who join us on FamilyLife Today, brought me out here to speak on behalf of HIV-AIDS orphans, and it was a privilege to partner with them around the AIDS pandemic that encircles the globe, and I have to say, though, at the end of the broadcast, I don't think in 14 years of doing FamilyLife Today with you, Bob, we have ever interviewed a Christian leader who was not wearing socks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I think you're right on that.\u00a0 I think that's \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Jesus never wore socks, and I always say, \"What would Jesus do?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I almost \u2013 when I was speaking day before yesterday, I almost introduced myself \u2013 I said, \"I'm Dennis Rainey.\u00a0 I'm from Arkansas, and I do wear shoes and socks.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Well, my mother was from Arkansas.\u00a0 She was from Bentonville, actually, but I wear socks because I subscribe to the Gilda Radner philosophy of fashion \u2013 I wear what doesn't itch.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So, you know, I dress for comfort.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Kay, I also want to welcome you to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You were actually the one that called me and invited me to come out here and speak, and we're thrilled you're here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Thank you, thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0This whole subject of HIV-AIDS \u2013 Rick is passionate about it, but he became passionate because first you felt the tug of God's spirit upon your heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0I did.\u00a0 God just \u2013 He changed my world in a flash one day.\u00a0 I was reading a news magazine sitting in my living room in my nice, comfortable house, and read a news article on orphans in Africa, and I didn't know what to do, but it's as though a brand-new reality happened to me.\u00a0 I sat there and thought, \"Do I even know a single orphan?\"\u00a0 And the answer was \"No.\"\u00a0 \"Do I even know anybody who is HIV-positive?\"\u00a0 \"No.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And to think that there could be 12 million children orphaned in one place due to one cause was \u2013 it rocked my world.\u00a0 It just absolutely rocked my world.\u00a0 It became this intense internal dialog at first \u2013 \"This just can't be true.\"\u00a0 I would know it if it were true, you know?\u00a0 And then it changed to, \"Well, maybe if it's true, there's nothing I can do about it.\u00a0 That's too big.\u00a0 That's too big for one person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0God not only tugged on your heart, you began to reorder your priorities around this cause.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0God did turn my world upside down, and the plan that I had in place at that moment, which was to travel around the world, be a Bible teacher, speak to pastor's wives, missionaries' wives \u2013 that's what I was doing at the time, so I thought that that was just going to continue.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And there's nothing wrong with that plan, it just wasn't God's plan.\u00a0 God had a completely different plan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Kay actually refers to herself as a seriously disturbed woman, and I would verify that \u2013 that she really has been disturbed by God \u2013 by God \u2013 since this happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And that heart for the orphan around AIDS, and we need to mention there are somewhere around 14 to 15 million \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Just in Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Just in Africa?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Just in Africa \u2013 that doesn't count \u2013 they don't have good records for how many in India and China.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Actually, in the \u2013 there's 164 million orphans worldwide it was reported at this conference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Those numbers vary, anywhere from 150 to 160, but around the world, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You took your disturbance across the pillow \u2013 to some pillow talk with the pastor of Saddleback.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, he was, at first \u2013 he was very supportive, and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Thought it was sweet for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0He thought it was sweet.\u00a0 He was rather patronizing, very kindly, you know, that's pat me on the head, \"That's great, honey.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0I did not pat you on the head.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, it was a verbal 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\"It's not my vision, but I believe in what you're doing, and I'll support you.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0And it grew from that acceptance and support to \u2013 it was still the dream in my heart, but over a period of months, as we talked, and I would bring videos and articles and say, \"Read this, watch this, let's talk about that.\"\u00a0 It slowly began to \u2013 I mean, he's a very tenderhearted person.\u00a0 It's not like he was a hard-hearted person and I had to just beat down.\u00a0 It just took a while to shift his focus, to realize that it wasn't just something that I was passionate about, but that he needed to also be passionate about it, and, on top of that, our church needed to be passionate.\u00a0 It was just this little pebble in this pond that kept getting wider, and not only did our church need to be passionate about it, but the church of Christ around the world needed to be passionate about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0The lesson about this is, \"Pastors, listen to your wives.\u00a0 Husbands, listen to our wives,\" that they are in your life for a reason, and God wanted to speak to me.\u00a0 He spoke to Kay first, and then He spoke through Kay to me, and it grabbed my heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Do you remember a point in time where you said, \"Okay, I've got to take this seriously?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0I really don't, Bob.\u00a0 I think that, as she just began to feed me information, I'd begun to realize, \"How did I miss this?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, the Africa experience for you \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0It's such a big deal \u2013 well, the Africa experience, that's true \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Became a solidified moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0That would be the turning point.\u00a0 As she had been talking to me about it, and she was \u2013 go ahead and explain that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, I had gone to Africa.\u00a0 I went to Africa twice in about six weeks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0By yourself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Yes, I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Without Rick?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0The first trip was by myself, yes.\u00a0 And then about six weeks later I went again, and on that trip six weeks later, Rick went with me for part of it, and it was there in that trip for him that God took what we had been talking about, thinking about, praying about.\u00a0 But still, in my heart, and it changed for him in Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0The scales fell off my eyes, and I realized what a big deal this issue of orphans and particularly those orphaned by AIDS was.\u00a0 And it was a church \u2013 Kay went to learn from the churches how to deal with people who have HIV-AIDS, because Africans know so much more than we do about this.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So she went to learn from the churches, and I went to do what I do \u2013 I train leaders.\u00a0 And after it was over, I said, \"Take me out to a village.\u00a0 I just want to see a typical church.\"\u00a0 And so we went out into the middle of nowhere.\u00a0 I mean, we're in the bush, and we go out, and we find this little church that \u2013 it's just a tent, that's all they've got.\u00a0 And it's 75 members, 50 adults and 25 kids orphaned by AIDS \u2013 growing a garden, feeding them, they're teaching them in the school in the tent, and they are sleeping in the tent at night.\u00a0 And I thought, \"This church is doing more for orphans, and this church is doing more for people with AIDS than my mega church.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it broke my heart.\u00a0 And the pastor \u2013 that young pastor walked around the building, and he saw me, and I didn't know him and, of course, he didn't know I was coming, and he looks at me, and he says, \"I know who you are.\"\u00a0 I said, \"How do you know who I am?\"\u00a0 He said, \"You're Pastor Rick.\"\u00a0 I said, \"How do you know who I am?\"\u00a0 He said, \"I download your sermons every week.\"\u00a0 I said, \"How do you do that?\"\u00a0 I said, \"You don't even have water or electricity in this village.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He said, \"The South African government is putting the Internet in every post office.\"\u00a0 They're called PITs, Public Information Terminals.\u00a0 He said, \"Once a week I walk an hour and a half to the nearest post office.\u00a0 I download your sermon, I walk an hour and a half back to my church, and I teach it to my people.\"\u00a0 He said, \"You know, Pastor Rick, you're the only training I've ever had.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When I heard that, something inside me said, \"I will give the rest of my life to guys like this who are working on the orphan issue and the AIDS issue and the poverty issue and the illiteracy issue and the things that are what we call 'the global giants.'\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Rick, Kay, you have no way of knowing this, although I did allude to it briefly when I spoke here at Saddleback at the Global Summit, but just about the same time you guys were coming online around the HIV-AIDS issue, God was breaking Barbara's heart and mine around the issue of orphans as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I referred to it in my message, but back about four years ago, God began to do a work around the need to create a coalition of orphan agencies, orphan foundations, Christian leaders who wanted to do something about the orphan crisis, and, frankly, the issue of HIV-AIDS has come later.\u00a0 It has been as we've come through the side door into this house of people who are poor, unhealthy, and dying of AIDS, but it was the orphan who brought us into the house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0And you can't talk about HIV without talking about orphans, and you can't talk about orphans without talking about HIV.\u00a0 They really are interrelated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0But, Kay, you've mentioned that when you've spoken at HIV-AIDS conferences internationally, that the orphan is not even talked about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Oh, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0They're ignored.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0At these secular conferences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Oh, at the International AIDS Conference in Toronto this year, the closing session had a very dynamic speaker who went through and listed all the different takeaways of this five-day conference, and as he was listing them, people were standing up and cheering and shouting as their different ones that they really related to, and it was interesting to me \u2013 it caught my attention really early on, is he had these 15 things he was listing.\u00a0 So I started keeping score, if you will, on my piece of paper, an applause meter.\u00a0 I wanted to see what people were reacting to the most enthusiastically.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so issues about women and gender violence and how that was affecting the AIDS pandemic \u2013 people were standing up and cheering, and women having rights over their bodies, people standing up and cheering, and then the next one of the points was, \"and children with HIV,\" and the applause kind of got to a medium level, and he talked about orphans that were left abandoned and alone, and there was silence in the room \u2013 silence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Nobody clapped.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Nobody clapped.\u00a0 And then he moved on to other things, and the applause built again to this thunderous applause at the end where he again spoke about women.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And my friend and I who were there, looked at each other.\u00a0 She broke into tears, and I sat there with my mouth open, stunned, and we just looked at each other and said, \"They don't care.\u00a0 They don't care.\u00a0 How can they not care?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It's shocking, it's stunning, when children and orphans are on your radar screen.\u00a0 They truly are the most vulnerable \u2013 the most vulnerable person on the planet \u2013 it is a girl child.\u00a0 Children, as a class, are the most vulnerable, and then you move it to girl children \u2013 they are the most vulnerable to abuse, to exploitation, and to HIV.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And the thing that excites me about what you two are doing is \u2013 and we're doing the same thing \u2013 is you're calling the church to step up and do something that is so clear biblically.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0There is nothing ambiguous about it, as you say, Dennis.\u00a0 It's so clear in Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0James 1:27 \u2013 this is pure religion and, Rick, you've been a Christian leader for a while.\u00a0 There's a lot of Christianity out there, and, frankly, cynicism is sometimes \u2013 it gets a little tough to not become cynical at some of the things you and I have seen over the years among Christian leaders or among laymen that's labeled \"Christianity.\"\u00a0 It's hard to debate this, though, isn't it?\u00a0 When it steps in and cares for the orphan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0It's undebatable, and you know, Dennis, that, in many ways, the church has lost credibility with a large segment of our society \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 yes \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0\u2026 because of many different issues.\u00a0 Sometimes it's been a political issue, sometimes the personal failures of religious leaders \u2013 there are many different reasons that have caused that credibility gap.\u00a0 We're not going to gain that credibility back with the world and earn a right to be heard by our words.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Look at what we're doing and judge what we're doing, and if what we're doing is right, then it ought to be followed.\u00a0 If not, then don't follow it.\u00a0 That's the Jesus approach.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And as you brilliantly pointed out in the message here at the Global Summit on AIDS in the Church, how many Scriptures talk about the fatherless, talk about the orphans, and, actually, I believe if you adopt an orphan into your home, you're getting a special child that God has said, \"All right, I'm going to care about this one.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Let me ask all three of you \u2013 there are some who would look at this emphasis and say, \"You know, 50, 60 years ago, the church got distracted with what became known as the \"social gospel,\" and forgot evangelism, forgot the spiritual needs of people.\u00a0 Are we in danger of doing that again?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0No, we're not in danger of doing that, and I think that's a great question, though.\u00a0 It was even earlier than that, at the beginning of the 20th century, Protestantism split into two wings, and there were certain theologians who came out that said, \"We don't have to worry about redemption anymore.\u00a0 We don't have to worry about the cross and the atonement and personal salvation.\u00a0 What we need to do is redeem the social structures of society\" and, basically, all it was was Marxism in Christian clothing.\u00a0 That's really what it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, what happened is the liberals took the social justice issues \u2013 racism, injustice, poverty, things like that \u2013 and the conservatives, Bible believers, took the personal issues of morality \u2013 family, homosexuality, personal morality, and salvation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, who was right?\u00a0 I actually happen to believe they're both right \u2013 that Jesus cared about both the body and society.\u00a0 He cared about the spirit.\u00a0 He wanted people saved, but He also wanted us to act different in society.\u00a0 And, honestly, I would love to see a new reformation that brings those two back together that says, \"Jesus cares about the poor, the sick, the lame, the hurting\" \u2013 He clearly did \u2013 the orphans, the widows, without watering down the fact.\u00a0 And you know, in my heart, as an evangelist, everything I do has the motivation of sharing the good news.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0Well, the Scripture says that it's the kindness of God that leads to repentance, and so to care for people's physical needs, for their bodies as well as their spirit, is those are not random things.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0People sometimes ask us, \"Do you have a hidden agenda?\"\u00a0 Absolutely not.\u00a0 We're very up front, because we believe in our personal relationship with Jesus Christ as being the most important part of our lives.\u00a0 Why wouldn't we want every person we meet to know Him as well?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So when we are serving, when we are loving, when we are being His hands and feet, it's not that, oh, so that we can add another notch to our belt, it's just in the same way that God's kindness led me to repentance; when I am kind to someone else, it softens and tenderizes their heart so that Jesus Christ can kind of walk across that bridge.\u00a0 I want for them what I want for me, which is wholeness with my Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0You know, let me just share a personal experience.\u00a0 This is really fresh, because a year ago I met a man with AIDS in New York City, who is an AIDS activist and had been thrown in jail many times for civil disobedience, and he had a bad view of the church because he thought the church was simply judging, putting down, and all these kind of things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I met him at a conference in New York a year ago, and I apologized to him.\u00a0 I said, \"I'd like to ask you to forgive me for all that has been done that hurt you in the name of Jesus Christ over the last 20 years, that was done in the name of Jesus that Jesus would disavow.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You would have thought I'd punched him in the gut.\u00a0 When I told this to him at the Global Health Summit by Bill Gates that I was the opening speaker at, it's like I had socked him, and he moved a foot back.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, I invited him out to the first AIDS Conference, and after it was over, he was just in awe, and I said, \"Well, what was your impression?\"\u00a0 He said, \"Well, first, I've never seen so many people who don't have AIDS at a conference.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKay:\u00a0The HIV negative people coming to a conference on HIV.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0Yeah, and he said, \"The second thing \u2013 I've never seen such love.\"\u00a0 And at the end of last year's conference, I talked with him, and he said, \"I've never felt such love,\" and he wept openly, and he said, \"My problem is I've learned to hate,\" and he said, \"How do I follow a Savior of love when you're so filled with hate.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Ah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRick:\u00a0And I talked with him, and I won't go into all the details on that, and I said, \"I want you to think about your decision because I know that when you come to know Christ, you're going to become a Paul.\u00a0 It's going to be one of these \u2013 you were such a radical activist for 20 years, that when you make that decision, it will be a big turn.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, he came back this year and brought all kinds of AIDS activists with him to the conference, and this morning at breakfast he accepted Christ.\u00a0 And, in tears, just flowing freely, I heard the most authentic personal salvation prayer I've heard in 40 years of ministry, and it was just so touching, and I watched a man's heart turn.\u00a0 How?\u00a0 Because of kindness that opened a man's heart that Jesus Christ had come in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as I listen to you two, I hear what was the essence of Christ's life.\u00a0 He addressed people's physical needs and their spiritual needs, and, Bob, I think today we have set before the church a global opportunity where 40 million people are dying right now with AIDS.\u00a0 More than 100 million orphans worldwide who need help and who need hope.\u00a0 And, yes, we need to give them a cup of water in the name of Christ.\u00a0 But we also need to give them the living water of Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I know, at the conference, as you talked with folks about how the church can respond to this issue, you pointed them in the direction of the orphan, because that really is a very practical, tangible way that we can do something to show that we care about what's going on.\u00a0 I think there are other ways, but one easily accessible way for folks to respond to this issue of the AIDS crisis not only in Africa but in other parts of the world, is by caring for the orphans, some of whom are infected with AIDS and some of whom are abandoned because one or both of their parents have died from AIDS.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Our team has put together a resource that we're calling \"A Home for Every Child\" kit.\u00a0 It gives you very practical things you can do in your church or as a family to respond to the issue of orphans around the world.\u00a0 There's a book called \"Launching an Orphan's Ministry in Your Church,\" a DVD where Dennis and Barbara Rainey talk about how Christians ought to be responding to the needs of the fatherless.\u00a0 There's a book called \"Welcome Home\" that gives you the eight steps toward adoption, and then 10 things every Christian can do to care for the orphan and the waiting child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And this week we wanted to make these resources available to any of our listeners who can make a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 We are nearing the end of the year, and I know many of our listeners consider making a year-end contribution to FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 If you can do that this week, we would love to send you these resources as a way of saying thank you for your financial support for this ministry and, by the way, your donation this week will be matched on a dollar-for-dollar basis thanks to a matching gift that has been made available to us here at FamilyLife up to a total of $500,000.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So if we can hear from you this week with a donation of any amount either online at FamilyLife.com, or you can call 1-800-FLTODAY and make your donation over the phone and just mention that you'd like the orphan resources, or if you're donating online, when you come to the keycode box, just type in the word \"orphan,\" and we'll know to send these resources to you, again, as our way of saying thank you for your support of this ministry and also as our way of trying to get these resources in more hands so that more people might reach out with compassion and kindness and care for orphans and waiting children all around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, I decided to speak at Saddleback because of FamilyLife's mission to effectively develop godly marriages and families, both here in America and around the world.\u00a0 We are all about helping every family have a godly family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I just want to step in and speak to our listeners and to those who have partnered with us financially in the past, and just say right now would be a very good time for you to make a financial gift, a financial investment in FamilyLife.\u00a0 It costs money to establish kits like this, and I just want to put in my word for this kit.\u00a0 It's a fantastic kit \u2013 four different pieces including a DVD of Barbara and me giving a message about the need for churches to start Orphan Care ministries.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I just want to challenge our listeners \u2013 if you've benefited from the ministry of FamilyLife Today, and you believe in what we're doing here, just pick up the phone and call the 800 number or go online, as Bob has said, and make a generous gift and say, \"You know what?\u00a0 I believe in what you guys are doing, and I stand with you financially.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Now, once again, you can do that online at FamilyLife.com, or you can call us at 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 If you call, mentioned that you'd like the orphan kit.\u00a0 And if you donate online, when you come to the keycode box, just type in the word \"hope,\" and that will let us know that you'd like to have this resource sent to you and, again, thanks for your financial support of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, tomorrow we're going to get to some of the questions we weren't able to get to today about some of the controversial stuff that was in the news last week \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 no doubt \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0 \u2026 to this conference on AIDS.\u00a0 I hope you can join us for that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Wally, from here at Saddleback, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob 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