{"id":301229,"date":"2006-11-03T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-11-03T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/pilgrim-families-part-2\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:42:30","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:42:30","slug":"pilgrim-families-part-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/pilgrim-families-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Pilgrim Families, Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jack Cavanaugh and Ruth Tucker share their knowledge of the Puritans.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-11-03.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"11.35M","filesize_raw":"11902896","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2823],"tags":[4858,4792],"podcast_series":[7482],"cwp_profile":[9035,9036],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301229","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-thanksgiving","tag-pilgrims","tag-thanksgiving","podcast_series-pilgrim-families","cwp_profile-jack-cavanaugh","cwp_profile-ruth-tucker","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301229\/pilgrim-families-part-2","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301229\/pilgrim-families-part-2","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"5krETvZJLx\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/pilgrim-families-part-2\/\">Pilgrim Families, Part 2<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/pilgrim-families-part-2\/embed\/#?secret=5krETvZJLx\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Pilgrim Families, Part 2&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"5krETvZJLx\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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faith of those who first settled in this country.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNarrator:\u00a0Planting time was soon upon them in April of 1623.\u00a0 Their needs were desperate.\u00a0 The pilgrims realized they had to plant double the previous year's crop to sustain them in the winter to come.\u00a0 This year the weather turned dry.\u00a0 As the weeks of drought went by, the pilgrims watched their precious summer crops wither and slowly die.\u00a0 The Indians said they'd never seen a dry spell like it.\u00a0 After 12 weeks the pilgrims realized they would face certain starvation in the coming winter if it did not rain soon.\u00a0 The colonists were losing hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0They wondered if God, who had always gone before them, was against them.\u00a0 They began to pray.\u00a0 William Bradford asked everyone to participate in a day of fasting and prayer to ask the Lord for rain.\u00a0 All the pilgrims felt a deep sense of humility before God, and they sincerely sought his mercy.\u00a0 Edward Winslow described what happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEdward:\u00a0But, oh, the mercy of our God, who was as ready to hear as we were to ask, for there were, in the morning, when we assembled together, the heavens were as clear and the drought as like to continue as it ever was, yet before our departure from the day of prayer and fasting, the weather was overcast, the clouds gathered on all sides.\u00a0 On the next morning, distilled such soft, sweet, and moderate showers of rain continuing some 14 days.\u00a0 Such was the bounty and goodness of our God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNarrator:\u00a0The crops were saved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Friday, November 3rd.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We do have a lot for which we can be thankful, don't we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 You know, rain \u2013 we had kind of a dry summer here in Little Rock, and rain is one of those things that you kind of \u2013 you don't think about the way they must have thought about it back in pilgrim America, because I've got a sprinkler system, you know, so if it doesn't rain, I just set the sprinkler system, and it takes care of the grass, and we don't really have to worry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Rain was a life and death issue.\u00a0 If it didn't rain, there was no food, there's no food, somebody might not survive the winter, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right, you know, Barbara and I had the privilege of going to Plymouth a number of years ago and standing on that hillside, and I want to tell you something, it isn't like the paintings picture it.\u00a0 I mean, it was just a hillside of rock and earth, and there was nothing welcoming the pilgrims when they arrived, I mean, the crops weren't planted.\u00a0 They were on the edge of starvation from the very beginning, and that's why the whole issue of rain was so important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I'm thrilled that my wife, Barbara, is back in the studio again with us.\u00a0 She's written a book called \"Thanksgiving, A Time to Remember,\" and this really is her favorite holiday for our family.\u00a0 Welcome back, honey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Thank you, glad to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is also one of your favorite subjects \u2013 not just because of the holiday but the founding of our country, for some reason, is resonant in your heart, isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Well, I think it's because when I was in college, I was a history major, and I was also a new believer, and I was trying to understand, even though I was in a secular campus, how \u2013 what God was up to in the history of our country, and I couldn't find anybody who could give me those answers because, again, my professors were not believers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so after Dennis and I married, and we had children, and I was doing some homeschooling in those years, I wanted my children to understand not just the fact, which I had grown up knowing the fact, but I wanted them to know the God behind the facts.\u00a0 I wanted them to know how God was moving and orchestrating and using circumstances for His purposes in our history as a nation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so that sort of set me on a quest for information on several different fronts, but one of them was Thanksgiving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right.\u00a0 What you shared with your family on those Thanksgiving days became the book, \"Thanksgiving, a Time to Remember,\" a few years ago, and you have now shared it with tens of thousands of folks all around the world, and it's become a part of their Thanksgiving celebration as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Dennis, you and I, more than a decade ago, had an opportunity to sit down with a history professor, Dr. Ruth Tucker, and a writer of historical fiction, Jack Cavanaugh, and to talk with them about what life was like during those first Thanksgivings back when the settlers were new to America.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, as we interviewed them, I remember just thinking how they brought the story alive, how they brought so much Technicolor and depth to the story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And one of the interesting things they talked about in these interviews was the whole approach to marriage and family during those early years in America, and they even talked about how the Puritans approached marital intimacy, and I mention that just because I think some of our listeners will be surprised.\u00a0 This is going to be discreet, but it's going to be an accurate reflection of what marital intimacy was like among the Puritans.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[being audiotape]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0One of the things you write about, Dr. Tucker, in your book, \"The Family Album,\" was that Puritan marriages occurred early, and that they had kids fast and furiously because the life expectancy was 33 years of age.\u00a0 That had to have an impact on the family structure that these people were experiencing during that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Well, it certainly did, because it was just assumed that the father might have a second wife, a third wife, as in many instances, and there would be another woman raising the children that this young wife had given birth to.\u00a0 So that happens time and time again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I can't help but think that the temporal side of life and the harshness of life, because many of them did die during those early months after their arrival that because they were confronted with that, many times on a daily basis, the eternal and the promises of the Scripture and the clinging together around the Word of God, really did make them people of value.\u00a0 Can you comment about that, practically speaking?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Well, they were people of value, and husbands and wives loved each other very deeply and exuberant love.\u00a0 You know, we often think of the Puritans as being puritanical, and sex was something that they didn't participate in too often except to have children.\u00a0 That wasn't so.\u00a0 They loved exuberantly.\u00a0 Now, it was something that was very private.\u00a0 The kind of bawdy jokes that you might have heard Martin Luther telling would not have been true of the Puritans.\u00a0 They were private about their sex life and their love, but it was something that was very important to them, and you see that in their poetry and their letters to each other \u2013 incredible devotion between husband and wife and between parents and children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I've got to wonder how they ever found a place to be able to express physical love to each other.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Well, as far as I can tell, from the reading I have done, and the research, they found it in their little one-room cabins with two or three other children in the bed at the same time.\u00a0 So this all went on, and it was a natural part of life, and they loved exuberantly, so figure that one out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, help us \u2013 I'm still trying to figure that one out.\u00a0 Jack \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It's hard enough with six kids in the house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Is that right?\u00a0 With kids right there in the room?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0No closed doors, and that shared experience.\u00a0 That's how close family was.\u00a0 And I think one of the things that brought them so close was the fact that survival was not taken for granted.\u00a0 And so whenever anybody shares a life-and-death kind of situation, it pulls them together, and this was the experience for the families \u2013 every single day they were fighting for their lives.\u00a0 There were absolutely no conveniences, and there was no assurance they'd have food for the next year if the crops failed.\u00a0 And so it was literally a daily fight for survival.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, of course, that's going to pull people together, especially the families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0It's out of this closeness that the practice of bundling developed, too.\u00a0 That is one of the unique practices of colonial New England.\u00a0 The courtship, when a young man was finished with his chores late in the evening, he would go a-courting to the young woman's home, and they didn't want to waste firewood.\u00a0 If they had to sit by the fire all night, they'd be wasting firewood, so they'd crawl in bed together with their clothes on, and this was their form of courtship, talking through the night, and they would sleep, and then he would get up in the early dawn hours and head back home to do the morning chores.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hold it, hold it, hold it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Don't mention this to my children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's exactly right.\u00a0 Did they have a problem with premarital sex?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0They did on occasion, but most of the time they were with their clothes on and separated in this bed and simply talking together.\u00a0 And, of course, there were ministers such as Jonathan Edwards, who strongly opposed the practice of bundling, but nevertheless this was the common means of courtship in colonial New England.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0And oftentimes it was arranged through the mother, and the mothers and sisters sort of helped bundle them into the bed to get them situated.\u00a0 And so this was not only approved, but it was overseen as well.\u00a0 It was assumed that should an accident happen, and the pair not be able to control themselves that they would get married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I've got to believe Josh McDowell would have had a severe ministry in those days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0It was assumed they would get married but often after they'd received a whipping in the public square.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0Certainly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Oh, really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Oh, yes, immorality was taken very, very seriously, and sins were punished publicly.\u00a0 If a husband abused a wife or spoke harshly to her, he could be punished in the public square \u2013 any sin like this was put out in public and, you know, we could learn something today \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Oh, we sure could.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0\u2026 from that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0They realized that when somebody sinned it not only affected them individually, but it affected the community as well, and the family, and that's why the punishment was public as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Was there a practice of church discipline as we read in the Scripture?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Well, church discipline and town discipline would have been essentially the same, because the town meetings \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0\u2026 one and the same \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0\u2026 and the church \u2013 the church was part of the town, and so it was different than today when the churches so separated from the local government.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0You know, one other instance in the courting situation, how do you go to a girl's house and court when there are 13 or 14 other children running around, and Mom and Pop are sitting right there also.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's probably why they bundled and hid under the covers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0That might be.\u00a0 I came across a piece of research that I hadn't known before \u2013 they had a courting stick.\u00a0 It was a long, hollow tube, and this was one way that they could speak to one another privately.\u00a0 He'd put it up to his lips and talk to her, almost like we'd have these long cardboard tubes, and that was one way that they could have privacy even in a crowded situation.\u00a0 It was through the courting stick \u2013 so you'd hear those sweet nothings being whispered with this hollow echo down through the tube.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, how did the courtship develop for Puritan young men and young women, and I assume we're talking about 14 and 15-year-olds who are getting married?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0That's true, and it was often, to some extent, arranged or at least families knew each other, and so there would be assumed approval of the parents of the boyfriend, the girlfriend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0There was an interesting idea that I read about in \"The Family Album,\" Dr. Tucker, that the day on which you were born was also the day on which you were conceived \u2013 this idea that if you were born on a Thursday, you were conceived on a Thursday.\u00a0 So if a child was born on the Sabbath, that was a reflection of what his parents had presumably been doing nine months previous, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0That was widely believed.\u00a0 A lot of Puritans held to that, and Jonathan Edwards, a great Puritan divine, six of his 11 children were conspicuously born on the Sabbath \u2013 a lot of joking and rumors and talking behind the scenes among his parishioners.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Was it considered less than holy for a husband and wife to \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Oh, absolutely.\u00a0 A husband and wife should not be coming together in that means on the Sabbath.\u00a0 The Sabbath was for studying the Word of God, for going to church and talking about things of the Lord, and Puritans loved exuberantly, and that was for every day of the week but the Sabbath.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Jack, what about the Sabbath practices?\u00a0 What would a typical Sabbath day be like for a Puritan family?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0It would begin by a call to the church.\u00a0 Oftentimes by the blowing of a conch \u2013 from a conch shell or the ringing of a bell or sometimes the beating of a drum, and according to some of the practices, the parson then would go down the street, and as he passed your house, then you would come out and follow him.\u00a0 And inevitably they put the churches on top of hills, as well, and one of the ministers, as he was growing quite elderly, was saying \"Getting to heaven is going to be a lot easier than just climbing up to this church.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And once they got up there, again, they had a lot of singing, and they even had hymn practices at times, so that \u2013 during the week so that their singing on the Sabbath would be exuberant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Choir rehearsal, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0Exactly, but this is for the congregation and not for the choir.\u00a0 Oftentimes, their churches looked like what we would picture as cattle stalls because they had private pews that had walls about four feet high, and they would purchase those pews and then oftentimes be assigned pews on an annual basis in many cases.\u00a0 They would go in there, the seats would be hinged, and they'd go up and down.\u00a0 Whenever they prayed, they stood up, and part of the joking of that day was also people within miles knew when the praying ended because all of these seats then slammed down simultaneously \u2013 bam, bam, bam \u2013 all the way through the worship service, and they thought with ways with how they could quiet the service down from the banging seats.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Were there folks who were not in church on Sunday morning in the Puritan community?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0Not if they were accepted within the community.\u00a0 It was something that everybody was required to do.\u00a0 They needed to be there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0The minister was very important to the community.\u00a0 Solomon Stoddard, I believe, remained 59 years in his parish.\u00a0 His grandson, Jonathan Edwards, was kicked out after 23 years of ministry.\u00a0 But can you imagine that today in our churches?\u00a0 Keeping a minister for 50, 60 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[audiotape ends]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, again, that is Dr. Ruth Tucker.\u00a0 We've been listening to a conversation we had with her and with author Jack Cavanaugh about life during the first few years for settlers in America back in the early 1600s.\u00a0 And, Barbara, I think sometimes when we think about the Puritans, because we read their words in Elizabethan English, we think that they must have been kind of stiff and proper, and they weren't real.\u00a0 But they were real people, weren't they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0They were very real people, and I think we \u2013 because we're so far removed, and we don't have any audio of their voices, and we don't have photographs, and we don't have the things that we're used to, to kind of help people who are not living anymore come to life.\u00a0 All we have is a few paintings, and then we have their words in the journal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And the paintings are very proper, again, and it's a painting of the first Thanksgiving, and they're dressed in decent-looking clothing, and it's all in one piece.\u00a0 They didn't \u2013 the painter did not paint an image of them in tatters and rags, and that was really more what they looked like.\u00a0 And so we have this picture of them being very proper and very \u2013 having everything together, so to speak.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But they were very real people who had very difficult hardships, and yet the thing that is so amazing about their story is that their faith never wavered, or if it did, they came back to it, and they continued to express faith in God as being sovereign and as having led them to the New World, and they gave thanks in all circumstances, and that is what's so inspiring about their story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0To me, that's the message for today's family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Families today face hardships, struggles.\u00a0 We may not necessarily have tattered clothing, but our lives may be tattered from perhaps some of the choices we've made, and we're looking backwards, and we see the results of those decisions or the results of decisions like that in the lives of our children, and we've got a choice.\u00a0 Are we going to trust God?\u00a0 Are we going to be men and women of faith?\u00a0 Are we going to lead our families toward giving thanks in all things?\u00a0 Are we going to gripe and complain about what we don't have and what's gone wrong?\u00a0 Are we going to pull back and say, \"God, You've been incredibly good to our family.\u00a0 You've supplied friends, you've supplied food, shelter.\u00a0 You've supplied a good church or a community for us to relate to, other friends.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it's at those moments, Bob, I think today's family needs to pull back, get off the merry-go-round, stop all activity, and just take a meal and exhale, first of all, just relax, take a chill pill, and then begin to contemplate the price the pilgrims paid for our freedom and how this country was founded to be a nation under God \u2013 a people whose hope was in Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I have to believe there are some listeners right now who need to establish a new world.\u00a0 They may be looking at their lives saying, \"You know what?\u00a0 I need a new world.\"\u00a0 Well, you know what?\u00a0 What better holiday to formalize the new world than Thanksgiving.\u00a0 Leading your families toward a new day of saying, \"God, I want to be thankful.\u00a0 I don't want to be full of griping and complaining and bitterness and resentment, but I want you to be my Lord and our family's Lord.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, one of the first Bible verses that I learned when I became a Christian was 2 Corinthians 5:17 \u2013 \"If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature, a new creation.\u00a0 Old things have passed away, behold all things have become new.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You talk about a new world for a family, that begins as we turn over the control of our lives to God as we release our own control and say, \"God, I'm going to put myself in your hands.\u00a0 I'm going to be obedient to what you called me to.\u00a0 I want to follow You.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd for listeners who don't have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, we have a resource we'd like to send you.\u00a0 It's a book called \"Pursuing God,\" that will help explain how all things can be new for you and for your family, how you can turn from bitterness and resentment, the things you were talking about, to a new way of life in Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can call or write to request a copy of that book.\u00a0 You can go online to request a copy.\u00a0 We want to send it to you at no cost.\u00a0 Again, it's a book called \"Pursuing God,\" and it's specifically for those who might be listening who would say, \"I want to know what it means to have a relationship with Jesus Christ.\u00a0 I want to be made new.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click a red button you'll see in the middle of the screen that says \"Go,\" and that will take you to a page where you'll find information on how to get a copy of the book, \"Pursuing God.\"\u00a0 You can also call 1-800-FLTODAY to request a copy of this book.\u00a0 We're happy to send it out to those of you who want to begin a relationship with Jesus Christ at no cost, no obligation.\u00a0 Again, the website is FamilyLife.com, and the toll-free number is 1-800-FLTODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, on the website, you'll also find information about the book that Barbara Rainey has written called \"Thanksgiving, a Time to Remember.\"\u00a0 It's available both as a hardback book and as an audio book.\u00a0 It's been dramatized and is available on CD, and you can order that from our website if you'd like to.\u00a0 Again, our website, FamilyLife.com, our toll-free number, 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don't know how many of our listeners do what the Raineys do at Thanksgiving \u2013 how many of you pass around cards or pull out a book and record the things you're thankful for.\u00a0 I don't know if you have a blessing book, but that's one of the things that is recommended for parents in the prayer guide that we have put together called \"While They Were Sleeping.\"\u00a0 It's a hardback book for moms and dads so that we can be more focused and more intentional as we pray for our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd in the chapter where you pray for your child to be contented; to have a heart of contentment, one of the suggestions is to begin a new family tradition and create a blessing book that you use regularly on special occasions, like birthdays or Thanksgiving, to remember all the ways that God has blessed you; has met your needs as a family, to give thanks to Him for those things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn addition to those suggestions on ways that you can cultivate a heart of contentment in your child, there is a week's worth of guided prayer for you as a mom or as a dad, to be praying that God would bring about contentment and humility and kindness and obedience and discernment \u2013 all of these things in your child's life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe're sending this prayer guide out this month to any of our listeners who request it when you make a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 We are thankful for those of you who are able to partner with us financially in the work of this ministry.\u00a0 We're listener-supported, and your donations are critical for the ongoing work of FamilyLife Today, and so this month we want to say thanks for your support by sending out a copy of this book when you request it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you're making a donation on our website online at FamilyLife.com, as you fill out the form for the donation, you'll come to a keycode box.\u00a0 Just type in the word \"pray,\" p-r-a-y, and we'll know to send you copy of this book or call 1-800-FLTODAY to make a donation and mention that you'd like a copy of the prayer guide for parents.\u00a0 When you make your donation, we'll be happy to send it along to you.\u00a0 Again, it's our way of saying thanks to you for standing with us in the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 I hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us on Monday.\u00a0 Donald Miller is going to be our guest.\u00a0 We're going to hear from him about what it was like to grow up without a dad and how that marked him as a man.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t______________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to transcribe, create, and produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would\u00a0\u00a0 you consider <a 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Cavanaugh and Ruth Tucker share their knowledge of the Puritans.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-11-03.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0The Thanksgiving holiday ought to provoke us to be people who are thankful as we think about the courage and the faith of those who first settled in this country.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNarrator:\u00a0Planting time was soon upon them in April of 1623.\u00a0 Their needs were desperate.\u00a0 The pilgrims realized they had to plant double the previous year's crop to sustain them in the winter to come.\u00a0 This year the weather turned dry.\u00a0 As the weeks of drought went by, the pilgrims watched their precious summer crops wither and slowly die.\u00a0 The Indians said they'd never seen a dry spell like it.\u00a0 After 12 weeks the pilgrims realized they would face certain starvation in the coming winter if it did not rain soon.\u00a0 The colonists were losing hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0They wondered if God, who had always gone before them, was against them.\u00a0 They began to pray.\u00a0 William Bradford asked everyone to participate in a day of fasting and prayer to ask the Lord for rain.\u00a0 All the pilgrims felt a deep sense of humility before God, and they sincerely sought his mercy.\u00a0 Edward Winslow described what happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEdward:\u00a0But, oh, the mercy of our God, who was as ready to hear as we were to ask, for there were, in the morning, when we assembled together, the heavens were as clear and the drought as like to continue as it ever was, yet before our departure from the day of prayer and fasting, the weather was overcast, the clouds gathered on all sides.\u00a0 On the next morning, distilled such soft, sweet, and moderate showers of rain continuing some 14 days.\u00a0 Such was the bounty and goodness of our God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNarrator:\u00a0The crops were saved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Friday, November 3rd.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We do have a lot for which we can be thankful, don't we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 You know, rain \u2013 we had kind of a dry summer here in Little Rock, and rain is one of those things that you kind of \u2013 you don't think about the way they must have thought about it back in pilgrim America, because I've got a sprinkler system, you know, so if it doesn't rain, I just set the sprinkler system, and it takes care of the grass, and we don't really have to worry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Rain was a life and death issue.\u00a0 If it didn't rain, there was no food, there's no food, somebody might not survive the winter, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right, you know, Barbara and I had the privilege of going to Plymouth a number of years ago and standing on that hillside, and I want to tell you something, it isn't like the paintings picture it.\u00a0 I mean, it was just a hillside of rock and earth, and there was nothing welcoming the pilgrims when they arrived, I mean, the crops weren't planted.\u00a0 They were on the edge of starvation from the very beginning, and that's why the whole issue of rain was so important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I'm thrilled that my wife, Barbara, is back in the studio again with us.\u00a0 She's written a book called \"Thanksgiving, A Time to Remember,\" and this really is her favorite holiday for our family.\u00a0 Welcome back, honey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Thank you, glad to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is also one of your favorite subjects \u2013 not just because of the holiday but the founding of our country, for some reason, is resonant in your heart, isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Well, I think it's because when I was in college, I was a history major, and I was also a new believer, and I was trying to understand, even though I was in a secular campus, how \u2013 what God was up to in the history of our country, and I couldn't find anybody who could give me those answers because, again, my professors were not believers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so after Dennis and I married, and we had children, and I was doing some homeschooling in those years, I wanted my children to understand not just the fact, which I had grown up knowing the fact, but I wanted them to know the God behind the facts.\u00a0 I wanted them to know how God was moving and orchestrating and using circumstances for His purposes in our history as a nation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so that sort of set me on a quest for information on several different fronts, but one of them was Thanksgiving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right.\u00a0 What you shared with your family on those Thanksgiving days became the book, \"Thanksgiving, a Time to Remember,\" a few years ago, and you have now shared it with tens of thousands of folks all around the world, and it's become a part of their Thanksgiving celebration as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Dennis, you and I, more than a decade ago, had an opportunity to sit down with a history professor, Dr. Ruth Tucker, and a writer of historical fiction, Jack Cavanaugh, and to talk with them about what life was like during those first Thanksgivings back when the settlers were new to America.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, as we interviewed them, I remember just thinking how they brought the story alive, how they brought so much Technicolor and depth to the story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And one of the interesting things they talked about in these interviews was the whole approach to marriage and family during those early years in America, and they even talked about how the Puritans approached marital intimacy, and I mention that just because I think some of our listeners will be surprised.\u00a0 This is going to be discreet, but it's going to be an accurate reflection of what marital intimacy was like among the Puritans.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[being audiotape]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0One of the things you write about, Dr. Tucker, in your book, \"The Family Album,\" was that Puritan marriages occurred early, and that they had kids fast and furiously because the life expectancy was 33 years of age.\u00a0 That had to have an impact on the family structure that these people were experiencing during that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Well, it certainly did, because it was just assumed that the father might have a second wife, a third wife, as in many instances, and there would be another woman raising the children that this young wife had given birth to.\u00a0 So that happens time and time again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I can't help but think that the temporal side of life and the harshness of life, because many of them did die during those early months after their arrival that because they were confronted with that, many times on a daily basis, the eternal and the promises of the Scripture and the clinging together around the Word of God, really did make them people of value.\u00a0 Can you comment about that, practically speaking?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Well, they were people of value, and husbands and wives loved each other very deeply and exuberant love.\u00a0 You know, we often think of the Puritans as being puritanical, and sex was something that they didn't participate in too often except to have children.\u00a0 That wasn't so.\u00a0 They loved exuberantly.\u00a0 Now, it was something that was very private.\u00a0 The kind of bawdy jokes that you might have heard Martin Luther telling would not have been true of the Puritans.\u00a0 They were private about their sex life and their love, but it was something that was very important to them, and you see that in their poetry and their letters to each other \u2013 incredible devotion between husband and wife and between parents and children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I've got to wonder how they ever found a place to be able to express physical love to each other.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Well, as far as I can tell, from the reading I have done, and the research, they found it in their little one-room cabins with two or three other children in the bed at the same time.\u00a0 So this all went on, and it was a natural part of life, and they loved exuberantly, so figure that one out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, help us \u2013 I'm still trying to figure that one out.\u00a0 Jack \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It's hard enough with six kids in the house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Is that right?\u00a0 With kids right there in the room?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0No closed doors, and that shared experience.\u00a0 That's how close family was.\u00a0 And I think one of the things that brought them so close was the fact that survival was not taken for granted.\u00a0 And so whenever anybody shares a life-and-death kind of situation, it pulls them together, and this was the experience for the families \u2013 every single day they were fighting for their lives.\u00a0 There were absolutely no conveniences, and there was no assurance they'd have food for the next year if the crops failed.\u00a0 And so it was literally a daily fight for survival.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, of course, that's going to pull people together, especially the families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0It's out of this closeness that the practice of bundling developed, too.\u00a0 That is one of the unique practices of colonial New England.\u00a0 The courtship, when a young man was finished with his chores late in the evening, he would go a-courting to the young woman's home, and they didn't want to waste firewood.\u00a0 If they had to sit by the fire all night, they'd be wasting firewood, so they'd crawl in bed together with their clothes on, and this was their form of courtship, talking through the night, and they would sleep, and then he would get up in the early dawn hours and head back home to do the morning chores.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hold it, hold it, hold it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Don't mention 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read about in \"The Family Album,\" Dr. Tucker, that the day on which you were born was also the day on which you were conceived \u2013 this idea that if you were born on a Thursday, you were conceived on a Thursday.\u00a0 So if a child was born on the Sabbath, that was a reflection of what his parents had presumably been doing nine months previous, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0That was widely believed.\u00a0 A lot of Puritans held to that, and Jonathan Edwards, a great Puritan divine, six of his 11 children were conspicuously born on the Sabbath \u2013 a lot of joking and rumors and talking behind the scenes among his parishioners.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Was it considered less than holy for a husband and wife to \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0Oh, absolutely.\u00a0 A husband and wife should not be coming together in that means on the Sabbath.\u00a0 The Sabbath was for studying the Word of God, for going to church and talking 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times, so that \u2013 during the week so that their singing on the Sabbath would be exuberant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Choir rehearsal, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0Exactly, but this is for the congregation and not for the choir.\u00a0 Oftentimes, their churches looked like what we would picture as cattle stalls because they had private pews that had walls about four feet high, and they would purchase those pews and then oftentimes be assigned pews on an annual basis in many cases.\u00a0 They would go in there, the seats would be hinged, and they'd go up and down.\u00a0 Whenever they prayed, they stood up, and part of the joking of that day was also people within miles knew when the praying ended because all of these seats then slammed down simultaneously \u2013 bam, bam, bam \u2013 all the way through the worship service, and they thought with ways with how they could quiet the service down from the banging seats.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Were there folks who were not in church on Sunday morning in the Puritan community?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJack:\u00a0Not if they were accepted within the community.\u00a0 It was something that everybody was required to do.\u00a0 They needed to be there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRuth:\u00a0The minister was very important to the community.\u00a0 Solomon Stoddard, I believe, remained 59 years in his parish.\u00a0 His grandson, Jonathan Edwards, was kicked out after 23 years of ministry.\u00a0 But can you imagine that today in our churches?\u00a0 Keeping a minister for 50, 60 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[audiotape ends]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, again, that is Dr. Ruth Tucker.\u00a0 We've been listening to a conversation we had with her and with author Jack Cavanaugh about life during the first few years for settlers in America back in the early 1600s.\u00a0 And, Barbara, I think sometimes when we think about the Puritans, because we read their words in Elizabethan English, we think that they must have been kind of stiff and proper, and they weren't real.\u00a0 But they were real people, weren't they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0They were very real people, and I think we \u2013 because we're so far removed, and we don't have any audio of their voices, and we don't have photographs, and we don't have the things that we're used to, to kind of help people who are not living anymore come to life.\u00a0 All we have is a few paintings, and then we have their words in the journal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And the paintings are very proper, again, and it's a painting of the first Thanksgiving, and they're dressed in decent-looking clothing, and it's all in one piece.\u00a0 They didn't \u2013 the painter did not paint an image of them in tatters and rags, and that was really more what they looked like.\u00a0 And so we have this picture of them being very proper and very \u2013 having everything together, so to speak.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But they were very real people who had very difficult hardships, and yet the thing that is so amazing about their story is that their faith never wavered, or if it did, they came back to it, and they continued to express faith in God as being sovereign and as having led them to the New World, and they gave thanks in all circumstances, and that is what's so inspiring about their story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0To me, that's the message for today's family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Families today face hardships, struggles.\u00a0 We may not necessarily have tattered clothing, but our lives may be tattered from perhaps some of the choices we've made, and we're looking backwards, and we see the results of those decisions or the results of decisions like that in the lives of our children, and we've got a choice.\u00a0 Are we going to trust God?\u00a0 Are we going to be men and women of faith?\u00a0 Are we going to lead our families toward giving thanks in all things?\u00a0 Are we going to gripe and complain about what we don't have and what's gone wrong?\u00a0 Are we going to pull back and say, \"God, You've been incredibly good to our family.\u00a0 You've supplied friends, you've supplied food, shelter.\u00a0 You've supplied a good church or a community for us to relate to, other friends.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it's at those moments, Bob, I think today's family needs to pull back, get off the merry-go-round, stop all activity, and just take a meal and exhale, first of all, just relax, take a chill pill, and then begin to contemplate the price the pilgrims paid for our freedom and how this country was founded to be a nation under God \u2013 a people whose hope was in Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I have to believe there are some listeners right now who need to establish a new world.\u00a0 They may be looking at their lives saying, \"You know what?\u00a0 I need a new world.\"\u00a0 Well, you know what?\u00a0 What better holiday to formalize the new world than Thanksgiving.\u00a0 Leading your families toward a new day of saying, \"God, I want to be thankful.\u00a0 I don't want to be full of griping and complaining and bitterness and resentment, but I want you to be my Lord and our family's Lord.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You know, one of the first Bible verses that I learned when I became a Christian was 2 Corinthians 5:17 \u2013 \"If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature, a new creation.\u00a0 Old things have passed away, behold all things have become new.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You talk about a new world for a family, that begins as we turn over the control of our lives to God as we release our own control and say, \"God, I'm going to put myself in your hands.\u00a0 I'm going to be obedient to what you called me to.\u00a0 I want to follow You.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd for listeners who don't have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, we have a resource we'd like to send you.\u00a0 It's a book called \"Pursuing God,\" that will help explain how all things can be new for you and for your family, how you can turn from bitterness and resentment, the things you were talking about, to a new way of life in Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can call or write to request a copy of that book.\u00a0 You can go online to request a copy.\u00a0 We want to send it to you at no cost.\u00a0 Again, it's a book called \"Pursuing God,\" and it's specifically for those who might be listening who would say, \"I want to know what it means to have a relationship with Jesus Christ.\u00a0 I want to be made new.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click a red button you'll see in the middle of the screen that says \"Go,\" and that will take you to a page where you'll find information on how to get a copy of the book, \"Pursuing God.\"\u00a0 You can also call 1-800-FLTODAY to request a copy of this book.\u00a0 We're happy to send it out to those of you who want to begin a relationship with Jesus Christ at no cost, no obligation.\u00a0 Again, the website is FamilyLife.com, and the toll-free number is 1-800-FLTODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, on the website, you'll also find information about the book that Barbara Rainey has written called \"Thanksgiving, a Time to Remember.\"\u00a0 It's available both as a hardback book and as an audio book.\u00a0 It's been dramatized and is available on CD, and you can order that from our website if you'd like to.\u00a0 Again, our website, FamilyLife.com, our toll-free number, 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don't know how many of our listeners do what the Raineys do at Thanksgiving \u2013 how many of you pass around cards or pull out a book and record the things you're thankful for.\u00a0 I don't know if you have a blessing book, but that's one of the things that is recommended for parents in the prayer guide that we have put together called \"While They Were Sleeping.\"\u00a0 It's a hardback book for moms and dads so that we can be more focused and more intentional as we pray for our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd in the chapter where you pray for your child to be contented; to have a heart of contentment, one of the suggestions is to begin a new family tradition and create a blessing book that you use regularly on special occasions, like birthdays or Thanksgiving, to remember all the ways that God has blessed you; has met your needs as a family, to give thanks to Him for those things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn addition to those suggestions on ways that you can cultivate a heart of contentment in your child, there is a week's worth of guided prayer for you as a mom or as a dad, to be praying that God would bring about contentment and humility and kindness and obedience and discernment \u2013 all of these things in your child's life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe're sending this prayer guide out this month to any of our listeners who request it when you make a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 We are thankful for those of you who are able to partner with us financially in the work of this ministry.\u00a0 We're listener-supported, and your donations are critical for the ongoing work of FamilyLife Today, and so this month we want to say thanks for your support by sending out a copy of this book when you request it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you're making a donation on our website online at FamilyLife.com, as you fill out the form for the donation, you'll come to a keycode box.\u00a0 Just type in the word \"pray,\" p-r-a-y, and we'll know to send you copy of this book or call 1-800-FLTODAY to make a donation and mention that you'd like a copy of the prayer guide for parents.\u00a0 When you make your donation, we'll be happy to send it along to you.\u00a0 Again, it's our way of saying thanks to you for standing with us in the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 I hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us on Monday.\u00a0 Donald Miller is going to be our guest.\u00a0 We're going to hear from him about what it was like to grow up without a dad and how that marked him as a man.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 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