{"id":301225,"date":"2006-10-31T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-10-31T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/hymns-that-celebrate-victory\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:42:29","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:42:29","slug":"hymns-that-celebrate-victory","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/hymns-that-celebrate-victory\/","title":{"rendered":"Hymns That Celebrate Victory"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ace Collins explains the origins of some of our country&#8217;s greatest military ballads.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-10-31.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"11.35M","filesize_raw":"11900816","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2822],"tags":[4299,4907],"podcast_series":[7481],"cwp_profile":[8927],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301225","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-growing-in-your-faith","tag-faith","tag-hymns","podcast_series-stories-behind-the-hymns-that-inspire-america","cwp_profile-ace-collins","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301225\/hymns-that-celebrate-victory","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301225\/hymns-that-celebrate-victory","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"cYwY66LwaM\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/hymns-that-celebrate-victory\/\">Hymns That Celebrate Victory<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/hymns-that-celebrate-victory\/embed\/#?secret=cYwY66LwaM\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Hymns That Celebrate Victory&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"cYwY66LwaM\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Kennedy was carried up the steps of the Capitol to lie in state.\u00a0 Here's Barbara Rainey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0It's not a hymn that I grew up singing or that I knew.\u00a0 I finally learned it just in the last 10 years, and I think of it, honestly, as a great song for Thanksgiving, even though it's not traditionally associated with Thanksgiving, but it's a hymn asking God to protect those who are on the seas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so when I think of Thanksgiving, and I think of the Pilgrims coming over the ocean in the Mayflower, and I think, \"Gosh, if they had had that song, they would have been singing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[\"Navy Hymn\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, October 31st.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll learn today how \"The Navy Hymn\" became the Navy hymn.\u00a0 We'll learn about the Englishman who wrote it as well.\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[\"Navy Hymn\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 We have had some listeners who have contacted us because of the appearance this week by one of our callers, Mr. Know-it-All.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0This actually happened a year ago, too, Bob.\u00a0 You'll recall we had some listeners \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Who felt we were harsh with Mr. Know-it-All.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, they couldn't believe that we gave him airtime.\u00a0 I mean, he had some of the greatest yarns about how \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 yes \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\u2026 mistletoe became mistletoe and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It was \u2013 yeah, they were \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Remember that one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0They were frayed yarns, I'm afraid, in this case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, actually, he has already appeared this week as we've been talking about some of the songs that are patriotic, songs with Thanksgiving in mind, songs that, during this time of the year, we ought to reflect on and sing heartily and, I think, sing all four verses if there are four verses.\u00a0 I think we stop too soon on some of these songs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I think you're right, Bob, and I'm thrilled that Barbara joins us on the broadcast.\u00a0 Welcome back, sweetheart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Thank you, glad to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It's always good to have my wife on the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yes, it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And, Bob, you say that I do a better job when she's here, so \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yes, you do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So I'm on my toes with her in the studio.\u00a0 And, you know, when we feature Mr. Know-it-All it's always good to have the standard-bearer of truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Ace Collins.\u00a0 With a name like \"Ace,\" huh?\u00a0 You have to trust him, you know, to be the truth.\u00a0 Ace, welcome back to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0Always enjoying being here and always enjoying hearing from Mr. Know-it-All.\u00a0 Whenever I hear from Mr. Know-it-All it reminds me of something my grandfather told me when I was four years old up in Ash Flat, Arkansas.\u00a0 We were walking along the road, and he saw a politician out there on the street corner handing out cards and making promises, and at the time I didn't understand what he meant \u2013 I do now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He said, \"Remember, son, the man that don't lie ain't got nothin' to say.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I think of that with Mr. Know-it-All from time to time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0As a matter of fact, Mr. Know-it-All is on the line with us, because he knew we were going to be talking about one of the songs that is a great hymn of America.\u00a0 Mr. Know-it-All, are you there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0I am, and I think I was just insulted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0No, no, no, that was meant to be very complimentary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0Oh, oh, well, thank you, Ace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0No problem.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Mr. Know-it-All, can you tell us what your research has unearthed about the song that we often sing during the Fourth of July, \"The Battle Hymn of the Republic?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0Ah, yes.\u00a0 You know, a lot of people think that's a patriotic song but, you know, like a lot of those songs from that era, it really \u2013 it didn't start as a patriotic song.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0Bob, do you remember player piano rolls?\u00a0 They were like mechanical pianos?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I remember those, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0Well, that song was actually published by a company called the Wrath, Grape, and Scythe Company.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Run that by again, Mr. Know-it-All.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0The Wrath, Grape, and Scythe Company.\u00a0 They were a company, they made a couple of different machines, okay?\u00a0 They made a machine called \u2013 the Wrath brand grape crusher, and they also had their new \u2013 this is why they wrote the song \u2013 the electromechanical scythe and harvester, and they had a little ditty they sang, and it was, you know, where he's trampling out the vineyards where the grapes of wrath are stored.\u00a0 They promised that this machine would strike terror into the hearts of lazy farmhands everywhere.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Did they write \"Bringing in the Sheaves,\" too \u2013 same company?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0The same company.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0The invented that machine, too, didn't they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0The same company, see, that's how it actually happened. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Thank you, Mr. Know-it-All.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Know-it-All:\u00a0That's how it actually happened.\u00a0 I know Ace is going to tell you all kinds of stuff that just isn't true about this song.\u00a0 Ace, you've got to stop that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Stay on the line, Mr. Know-it-All, I think you're about to get an education.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0So is he saying this was the first advertising jingle?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I guess that's what it was, Ace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Picture \"The Battle Hymn of the Republic\" being an advertising jingle.\u00a0 I don't think so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0Well, what they're using on TV now as advertising jingles, you never can tell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0It may show up.\u00a0 Well, that was very close to the truth.\u00a0 You know, and it was rooted somewhere in there, because grapes are rooted, but, I mean, other than that, other than that, you know, he missed a couple of key elements.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, a couple.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0The melody itself had been around for many, many years before the Civil War and was used during the early days of the Civil War to sing a tribute to the great freedom abolitionist, John Brown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0[singing] \"John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Now, did you really learn that as a kid?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0And Julia Ward Howe and her husband, who was a doctor, were going through Washington on a carriage ride, and a bunch of troops were getting ready for their battle, you know, going out in battle the next day by going to their local pub and partaking of the spirit, shall we put it that way?\u00a0 And when they partook of enough spirits, they would go out in the street and sing together, \"John Brown's Body Lies a-Mouldering in the Grave,\" and, you know, the people who were listening to it in Julia Ward's carriage made the comment, you know, \"That is a fabulous melody.\u00a0 Why doesn't it have better lyrics?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, Julia Ward Howe went home that night, and she couldn't go to sleep so she got up, and on hotel stationary and started writing a new version of that song.\u00a0 And she wasn't too impressed with it, but nevertheless she sent the poem to \"The Atlantic Monthly,\" who published it, and people in the North started singing it all the time.\u00a0 As a matter of fact, it became Abraham Lincoln's favorite song.\u00a0 He felt that it should be played literally every time the troops gathered, and it was played throughout battles and around the United States.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And most music from the Civil War era that was sung literally was lost after the war was over.\u00a0 This song continued to be performed by many African-American congregations because they viewed it as a freedom hymn.\u00a0 And so today it's known as a \"freer of the soul.\"\u00a0 But when they were singing it in 1862, they were also embracing the freedom that they now had as people in this country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I'm being told that Mr. Know-it-All said that was actually piano roll Jordan, piano roll.\u00a0 So, I don't know what to think about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I'm listening to you, and I'm thinking about some of the great hymns that have been written around the battle motif, and the Bible speaks of there being a battle in the soul and the hearts of men and women over who they're going to obey, and it's the battleground of the human heart where decisions are made that determine our legacy and our destiny, and ultimately, if we end up serving Christ, we become a soldier.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There's another song called \"Onward Christian Soldiers,\" that you've done some research into.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0It's a children's song initially.\u00a0 That's kind of hard for people to believe, but there was an Anglican priest, and I'm going to actually read his name off here \u2013 Sabine Baring-Gould \u2013 who wrote that song, and he wrote it back, really, about a decade before our Civil War, and he, in another community, his church and then a church in another community always got together once a year for a children's rally, and it was their turn, his church's turn, to march to the other community, and so that's what they did, they marched, but it was in the midst of the Depression.\u00a0 They had no money for new choir robes, they had no money for new banners, but he wanted to do something that was new, so he wrote a new song, the song being \"Onward Christian Soldiers,\" and as they marched into this new town, his children sang that song.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, they sang it to a different melody than we sing it, and he really was kind of embarrassed by it, because he thought it was very poorly written, the song was.\u00a0 He didn't like the rhyme, he didn't like the meter, and yet the song really swept Britain after that and became a focal point at many of the children's rallies that were held at that time.\u00a0 This was during the \"first revival movement\" in Britain.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, the song came to America.\u00a0 It migrated to America; it was sung to the same lyrics, but then when we celebrated the centennial of our country, this song was used therefore, too, as well in many of those celebrations of \"Onward Christian\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 in 1876?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Really, huh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0And it and \"Amazing Grace\" were probably the two most commonly used hymns, and they spread like a wave of wind over a nation starting with just a little breath and expanding as they went out until everybody knows them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0What about a song that didn't start as a poem but started as a bugle call.\u00a0 \"Taps,\" which we're all familiar with \u2013 I learned words to that when I went to camp, but I'm sure those words came much later than just that plaintive melody that we're used to at the close of the day, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0And I would like you, if you could, during this broadcast, to recite all of those words as well, because there are actually over 222 different sets of lyrics for \"Taps.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Are there really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0Yes, and so I'm not sure which one you got.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I just know \"Day is done, gone the sun\" \u2013 that's the only one I know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0That's all I remember.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Ace, you know what I've found, though?\u00a0 Bob knows them all.\u00a0 He could give them to us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Bob knows, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I don't think Mr. Know-it-All's got the corner on this one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0And \"Taps\" is a story that's hard to separate legend from fact, because there was a Union officer during the midst of the Civil War in 1862, the story goes he heard someone crying for help.\u00a0 It was a foggy, foggy night.\u00a0 He couldn't even see if it was friend or foe.\u00a0 On his belly he continues to crawl for over an hour trying to find the voice; finds the voice; still can't tell because of the fog if it's friend or foe; puts that voice on his back, that crying man on his back and carries him back to camp, and when he gets back to the camp and the campfire finds out two things.\u00a0 One, it's a Confederate soldier that he's rescued and saved and, two, it is his own son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, we don't know if that's true or not.\u00a0 We do know that in this Confederate bugler's pocket was the melody for \"Taps,\" and when they buried this boy, his son, he had the bugler play the notes that were in this kid's pocket, which is how \"Taps\" was supposedly associated with funerals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I believe that story is true up until a point.\u00a0 I don't believe the kid in the Confederate uniform wrote \"Taps.\"\u00a0 \"Taps\" actually was probably written about a year earlier, and it was written by a general in the Union Army.\u00a0 The general's name was Butterfield, and his bugler had been given those sets of notes by Butterfield and said, \"I am tired of us going to bed, lights out every night, and going to bed with a song that was written by a British guy,\" and so they played \"Taps\" for lights out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So I think that is the origin of \"Taps\" right there, but I think the story that is the legend is the origin of \"Taps\" first being played at military funerals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And it is \u2013 it's a haunting melody to hear, isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0Yeah, it is.\u00a0 Isn't it ironic, though, that a song that was written for lights out now represents two things \u2013 it represents the end of a servant's life, a soldier's life, but also, according to people who play it, it's the trumpet call so that heaven can know they're welcoming someone else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0I've got a question about a hymn that I really love, Ace, and it's called \"Eternal Father Strong to Save,\" and it's not a hymn that I grew up singing or that I knew.\u00a0 My father was in the Army, and so he taught my brothers and I all these Army songs, but we didn't learn any of the Navy songs, and this is the Navy hymn.\u00a0 I finally learned it and became familiar with it just in the last 10 years, and I think of it, honestly, as a great song for Thanksgiving, even though it's not traditionally associated with Thanksgiving, but it's a hymn asking God to protect those who are on the seas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so when I think of Thanksgiving and I think of the pilgrims coming over the ocean in the Mayflower, and I think, \"Gosh, if they had had that song, they would have been singing that,\" because they went through all these storms and difficult days, and I just think what a good match that would have been had it been written that early.\u00a0 Of course, it wasn't, but \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0But it was written for much the same reasons, and we can preface this by saying not only do you recognize this as being such a powerful hymn, but this was Franklin Delano Roosevelt's favorite hymn.\u00a0 It was played at his funeral, and this was the hymn that he wanted to hear during World War II, and whenever he went on a Navy ship to go to Yalta or someplace, they played this hymn for him.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so what you feel, I think, is universal in people who have heard this hymn.\u00a0 And it was written by a man named William Whiting who was from Great Britain, South Hampton, and he used to look at the ocean all the time.\u00a0 But once he was caught in a mighty storm, kind of like \"Amazing Grace,\" which we talked yesterday and thought he was going to go down, and he fell on his knees and prayed and prayed and prayed and was saved.\u00a0 At that particular point, even on calm days, he recognized how powerful the ocean was, yet he also recognized the power of God for saving him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, he had a student who was going to America, and the student did not want to get on his ship.\u00a0 He was afraid of storms.\u00a0 He was afraid the ship would go down, and he kept talking about, to Whiting, \"I don't want to go to America.\u00a0 I won't make it.\u00a0 I'll drown.\u00a0 The ship will sink.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Whiting wrote this poem, \"Eternal Father strong to save whose arm hath bound the restless waves, who biddest the mighty ocean deep its own appointed limits keep.\u00a0 O hear us, when we cry to Thee, for those who peril in the sea.\"\u00a0 And it goes on through three more verses and gave it to the student to read over and over again as he wept.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And from there it was reprinted in little tract forms and from tract forms into books and matched with music, and it was an American sailor who heard it first in Britain and brought it back to America and took it to the Naval Academy choir and said, \"Let's sing this once.\"\u00a0 And it was so moving that it became something that closed all Navy chapel services thereafter and, to this day, still does.\u00a0 And therefore the American Navy adopted this as if you will something to keep in mind that as powerful as they were, they were not as powerful as the sea nor were they as powerful as the one who calms the sea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0I don't know if our listeners all know this hymn or not, but it was sung at the end of the movie that many, many people in America saw recently \u2013 \"The Perfect Storm.\"\u00a0 So I don't know if that will sort of click with anyone who is listening, but they played that at the very end of that movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's another haunting melody \u2013 [sings] \"Eternal Father strong to save, whose arm doth bind the restless wave.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0But we're talking about \u2013 when we're talking about patriotic songs, realistically speaking, we're talking about songs that have some haunting elements, because when you're talking about hymns, in general, there were martyrs, there were people who gave their lives to the cause.\u00a0 The same thing is true of freedom.\u00a0 There are people who give their lives to establish freedom for other people, so not every patriotic song can therefore be uplifting in its meter and its lyrical value. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You know, obviously, \"God Bless America,\" is \u2013 and \"America the Beautiful\" is.\u00a0 Some, though, have to paint the realistic picture of how much it takes to sustain faith, to hand it down, to pass it on.\u00a0 Because there is a trial, there is a path that you take that is not always an easy path.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And listening to you describe these hymns, again, patriotic hymns, hymns of the nation \u2013 how many of them, because they were centered around battles and death and dying and sacrifice and paying the price, pulled the nation back to God.\u00a0 And I think today, as a country, as we move toward Thanksgiving, it would do us well to do the same thing in our hearts \u2013 to go back to God and, first of all, as individuals and families, give thanks for God's goodness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I know as we gather together at Thanksgiving, Barbara and I will be leading those children who are able to come home now as adults, as we go around the table and we talk about over the past year the five things we are most thankful for.\u00a0 And I think Thanksgiving, unique as holidays, can be used by a family to turn hearts toward heaven.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAce:\u00a0Well, and I think what you're saying, too, is if you look at this book, and you start evaluating it and pulling out when these songs were written, you'll find that they were either written or introduced, by and large, when the country was going through a tremendous test, be it the Civil War, be it the Revolutionary War, be in World War I, be it World War II, even be it Vietnam, they were going through tests and therefore when you're tested is when you reflect and when you seek out the things that are deep within your heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, I once asked the songwriter, Willie Nelson, you know, why he hadn't written anything good recently.\u00a0 He said he wasn't hungry.\u00a0 You know, you write to make money.\u00a0 You write because you're hungry.\u00a0 I think people, therefore, when they're tried start looking deeply at their faith and what it means to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0When everything is good, and there's a lot of parables about this that Christ talked about.\u00a0 When you've got the money, and you've got the big house, and you've got all the luxury items, you know, suddenly God is not as significant, and you also overlook the least of these all around you.\u00a0 You overlook the men and women around you who, at Thanksgiving, you should be looking to.\u00a0 I mean, let's face it, many of these hymns are about one thing \u2013 they're recognizing that we, as human beings, are the least of these.\u00a0 In a world we are pretty powerless but with God we're pretty powerful, and therein is the magic of the stories that you find in \"Eternal God,\" the Navy hymn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The stories that you find in \"God Bless America,\" you know, the stories of the fact that we, as human beings, are insignificant until we're actually doing something that is significant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I have a friend of mine who told me that he's using this book that you've written, \"Stories Behind the Hymns that Inspire America,\" for family devotions.\u00a0 They're reading one of these stories and listening to the song or singing it together as a family and, certainly, this is the kind of month in which that kind of family devotion is something that would be highlighted, and I know Barbara, at Thanksgiving time, you read your book \u2013 I guess you read it to your grandchildren now when they come over for Thanksgiving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0No, the big kids listen, too \u2013 all the adult kids \u2013 everybody sits around the table.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Uh-huh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And you read through the Thanksgiving story and rehearse what happened when the pilgrims first came to America.\u00a0 You may want to inject a few of these hymn stories \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0I'd love to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 as you do Thanksgiving this year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, in Barbara's book, \"Thanksgiving, a Time to Remember,\" she tells the story of how America was forged and formed, and it came on seas that were stormy, great hardship, loss, sacrifice.\u00a0 That's all read about as we begin our Thanksgiving time together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara:\u00a0Which is why the story is so powerful.\u00a0 It's why it continues to be a story that you can read year after year after year, because it reminds us of how good God has been to bless us, and that those who went before did make great sacrifices that we could enjoy freedom and that we could live in a country where we can be prosperous.\u00a0 And so reflecting on their hardship and their losses and their sacrifice prompts us to be grateful, which is the whole purpose for reading the story year after year, is to foster and to nurture and cultivate a heart of gratitude.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And I just want to challenge every family listening, whether you're a single-parent home, whether you're a single person, use this Thanksgiving as an opportunity to reflect on how God's goodness has been upon you and your family over the past year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And point your family in that direction as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right, lead them in this direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, and I guess if you're going to do that, you're going to need more than a turkey.\u00a0 You're going to need a copy of Barbara's book, which we have in our FamilyLife Resource Center; a copy of Ace's book, which shares the stories behind some of the \"Great Songs That Inspire America,\" that's the title of the book.\u00a0 In the back of Barbara's book, there's a music CD that features instrumental arrangements of many of these hymns and more.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can go to our website, FamilyLife.com, and request any of these resources.\u00a0 Just click the \"Go\" button that you see in the middle of the home page.\u00a0 It's a red button that says \"Go,\" and that will take you right to a screen where you'll get information 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