{"id":301146,"date":"2006-07-06T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-07-06T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/heroes-among-us-part-2\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:42:23","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:42:23","slug":"heroes-among-us-part-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/heroes-among-us-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Heroes Among Us, Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jim Ryun talks about what it takes to be a hero and some of the people in history who were up for the challenge.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-07-06.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"11.35M","filesize_raw":"11900400","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2848],"tags":[4829,4723],"podcast_series":[7461],"cwp_profile":[9017,9016,9018],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301146","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-cultural-issues","tag-courage","tag-heroes","podcast_series-heroes-among-us","cwp_profile-drew-ryun","cwp_profile-jim-ryun","cwp_profile-ned-ryun","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301146\/heroes-among-us-part-2","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301146\/heroes-among-us-part-2","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"T1Xwra5m6Z\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/heroes-among-us-part-2\/\">Heroes Among Us, Part 2<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/heroes-among-us-part-2\/embed\/#?secret=T1Xwra5m6Z\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Heroes Among Us, Part 2&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"T1Xwra5m6Z\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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that define them.\u00a0 Here is Ned Ryun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, I think the thing we've noticed, too, about these heroes is that they weren't led by feelings, they were led by character.\u00a0 If we're led by feelings, doing the right thing doesn't always feel good.\u00a0 I mean, these guys, a lot of them knew that they would be facing death or physical harm, rejection.\u00a0 They weren't doing what felt good, they were doing what was right, and doing the right thing is sometimes, in the immediate, a hard decision. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, July 6th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Are you helping cultivate the character qualities of real heroism in your children?\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, I found out something about our guest.\u00a0 He's a big Bible trivia man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 I found out that about him, and I know that you are, too.\u00a0 So I'm going to see which of you knows the answer to this question \u2013 it's very simple Bible trivia.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Do you want to introduce the guest first?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0No, no, we'll take care of that in just a moment.\u00a0 We just want to find out if our guest really is any good at Bible trivia.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's you against me, are you ready?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I'm not sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0All right, Jim, you have the first chance at this question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0What does he get the first chance?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Just relax, Bob, just relax.\u00a0 Who is the wife of Jabez?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0You know what?\u00a0 Bob, all defer to you for that one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I'll give you that first chance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Thank you, thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And, Bob, the answer is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0The Bible doesn't tell us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah.\u00a0 All I knew is that there is, like one verse about Jabez in the whole Bible.\u00a0 His wife's name in that verse, unless her name is \"enlarge my territory\" or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Or Darlene Wilkinson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, yeah, that could be it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, really, Bruce Wilkinson's wife.\u00a0 Well, our guest on FamilyLife Today \u2013 well, we have three men with us \u2013 Jim Ryun and his two sons, Ned and Drew.\u00a0 Men, welcome to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Great to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Jim Ryun is a congressman from the 2nd District of Kansas.\u00a0 He is a former Olympic runner.\u00a0 In fact, we talked about this yesterday, probably talked about it too long.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All of us were runners, you know?\u00a0 Everybody in the studio today was a track star.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, Bob, do not put us in the class with this family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, you don't think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0They've got state champions, Bob.\u00a0 Were you the state champion of Missouri?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0No, I wasn't.\u00a0 Did you guys run the 440?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I did, actually, I was [unintelligible] of the mile relay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And how fast?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Forty-nine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, man, okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0But maybe I could give you some encouragement, men.\u00a0 I used to run four-minute miles, now it's four-minute half-miles, so I've slowed down considerably.\u00a0 We could go for a jog together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, as you can see by looking, my running days are long past, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0They really are.\u00a0 Well, I'll tell you something that's not past any of us, and that's the need today for us to be heroes.\u00a0 And Jim and his sons have written a book called \"Heroes Among Us,\" and, I'll tell you what, when I saw this, and you sent me the book in your transcript form \u2013 it weighed about 18 pounds.\u00a0 The book is really not that big, but when you put it double-spaced just on a single sheet of paper, it was about two-and-a-half inches thick.\u00a0 I had to tell you, Jim, I was thrilled that you had written this book, because I believe the subject of dialoging and discussing heroism among men and women needs to become a part of the Christian community's dialog, because these are days that are tremendously needy from a spiritual standpoint; days that need us to step into the battle and take a stand for Jesus Christ, don't you agree?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Oh, I totally agree, and what we need to do is raise that level of expectation by giving role models and heroes that people can emulate that will give them that hope and that vision for the future.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Now, you wrote this book with your boys, and I'm going to find out here the real story \u2013 who did the work on this book, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I had the inspiration.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Let's put it this way \u2013 the summer of 2000 my dad came back to us, Drew and I were still living in Lawrence, Kansas, and he said, \"Guys, I've got this great idea.\u00a0 I think we should write a book on heroes.\u00a0 I give tours of the U.S. Capitol, and one of my favorite statues in Statuary Hall is Peter Muhlenberg.\u00a0 I love telling his story, and I think more people need to hear it.\"\u00a0 So he said, \"Why don't we get Peter Muhlenberg and men and women like him and tell their stories in a book.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And so you went to work then at that point with your master's thesis, or your doctoral thesis here in history, coming up with these heroes.\u00a0 Drew, tell us about the statue of Peter Muhlenberg.\u00a0 That's a name most of us haven't heard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Well, Peter Muhlenberg \u2013 it was interesting that we're talking about this.\u00a0 So many people have created a dichotomy between the ministry and the political realm.\u00a0 He was part of the Virginia Assembly before the American Revolution \u2013 1775, he is sitting in the Virginia Assembly, and this little fiery red-headed man stands up and gives the famous, \"Give me liberty or give me death\" speech, and it's Patrick Henry.\u00a0 Sitting there in the assembly, Peter Muhlenberg realizes that God has a call in his life, and that he is to be involved in the upcoming war, but as a chaplain or a soldier, he himself does not know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, the answer comes January 21st of 1776, and as he preaches in front of his church from Ecclesiastes 3 he ends his sermon with \"There is a time for a war, and there is a time for peace, and the time for war has now come.\"\u00a0 And he throws off his clerical robes and underneath is the uniform of a colonel in the Continental Army.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, yeah!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0He leads his congregation in the singing of \"A Mighty Fortress is our God,\" he walks to the back of the church, turns around, and he says, \"Who among you is with me?\"\u00a0 It is recorded that almost 300 men from his congregation joined him.\u00a0 He went on to become one of Washington's most trusted generals.\u00a0 In fact, as we neared the Battle of Yorktown, he was given control of Washington's own, and it was 1,100 light infantry of the Continental Forces, and he himself was given command of the final attack on Readout 10, which was the final readout to fall at Yorktown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Now, the reason he is one of my heroes is, again, because of his involvement in the political arena and his willingness to make a difference.\u00a0 He challenged his brother, Frederick, who was a pastor in Upstate New York to get involved.\u00a0 His brother Frederick wrote back and said, \"You know, pastors don't belong in this process.\u00a0 They need to be in the pulpit and nowhere else.\"\u00a0 Well, Peter challenged his brother saying, \"You know, the British know that if they can discourage the pastors, they can discourage the people.\"\u00a0 His church was eventually desecrated.\u00a0 He joined his brother.\u00a0 Together, they fought in the war and eventually Frederick became the very first Speaker of the House of Representatives.\u00a0 So they had a great impact not only in terms of what they spoke to the people but what they did in influencing what happened in this country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Well, and I think one of the great letters, there was a great exchange of letters between Frederick and Peter, and what happens is Frederick said, \"You, as a minister, have no business becoming involved in this,\" and Peter fired back to him, he said, \"It is true that I am a minister, but it is also true that I am a member of this society, and it is my duty to God, and it is my duty to my nation to become involved,\" and I think that is just a great recognition on Peter's part that he is a member of society, and he owes allegiance to God and his country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We said this yesterday, but there are men and women in all aspects of society whose allegiance is, first and foremost, to a higher kingdom and to a higher king, but in that context of that allegiance to the higher kingdom and the higher king, we must live as \u2013 well, the Bible says we must live as ambassadors in this foreign land, and the ambassador has to represent that kingdom in every aspect of the land in which he lives, whether it's business, whether it's politics, whether it's pastoring churches.\u00a0 All of those are legitimate professions that need godly men and women living out their faith in the midst of them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's true.\u00a0 In fact, I want to have a little fun with this, Bob.\u00a0 I know, before you were concerned that Dennis gave me the advantage on a quiz, so I will now give you a quote and see if you can tell me who actually said this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0\"Only through the belief that the strong are bound to protect and save the weak because God wills it so can we hope to keep self-sacrifice, love, and heroism and all the things that make us glad to live and not afraid to die.\"\u00a0 It was a challenge \u2013 the person who said that was \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It was Jim Ryun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It was Dr. Henry VanDyke, and he actually said that just after a few days after the sinking of the \"Titanic.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as you were talking about how there were those who wanted to rob the pastors of their courage and discourage them, I think there is an enemy today who is attempting to discourage men and women who represent Jesus Christ.\u00a0 Not merely those in the pulpit, although He is aiming there.\u00a0 But also the layman and woman in the pew who are to be heroic and to do great and mighty deeds for Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Change in a nation can't merely come about from the pulpit.\u00a0 It has to come about when individual men and women, boys and girls, step forward in small acts that may, at the time, look like they're not that much.\u00a0 I recently read Lisa Beamer's book about the Flight 93 and her husband, Todd, who said, \"Let's roll,\" and I was thinking, you know, could Todd imagine that his wife would be honored in front of the president of the United States national television around the world because of his act of heroism on behalf of his country?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just think these are days when all of us need to perform the act that God has put before us today and for some \u2013 I'm sorry to move to an application so early here on the broadcast, Bob, but I couldn't help but think that this may be the action point for some as we talk about being a hero.\u00a0 For some it may mean keeping your covenant, your marriage covenant.\u00a0 For others it may mean hanging in there with a teenager who doesn't love you, or a family member, perhaps a parent, who is unlovable.\u00a0 That could be a single, great heroic act that heaven applauds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0If you'd look at the individuals involved, and you make an application to your own life, when difficulty came, and they were squeezed, the character of Christ came out, and so I know in my own personal life what that entails is, every day, having a quiet time, making sure I spent time with the Lord.\u00a0 If it hadn't been for someone acting out the Fifth Gospel, so to speak, acting out their life before Ann and before me, you know, we were churched at the time but because someone was willing to say, you know, \"By the way, there's more than just going to church.\u00a0 There's a relationship with Christ,\" and because they did that, ultimately Ann and I met the Lord May 18, 1972.\u00a0 But that was a small act, but it was like throwing a rock in the pond \u2013 the ripple effects \u2013 how that has impacted not only our lives but our children's lives and other's lives because they were willing to make a difference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, I think the thing we've noticed, too, about these heroes is that they weren't led by feelings, they were led by character.\u00a0 If we're led by feelings, doing the right thing doesn't always feel good.\u00a0 I mean, these guys, a lot of them knew that they would be facing death or physical harm, rejection.\u00a0 They weren't doing what felt good, they were doing what was right, and doing the right thing is sometimes, in the immediate, a hard decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Well, that was just something we were actually talking about just yesterday, and the amazing thing is Dad said a lot of these people did not wake up one morning and say \"You know what?\u00a0 I'm going to go out and be hero.\"\u00a0 You know, it's the little decisions that they made in their everyday lives that prepared them for the extraordinary deeds that they did that defined them for who they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And what you're really defining is character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And I want our listeners to make sure they don't miss that, because that businessman who may be facing that temptation at work or maybe it's a temptation at home at night after his wife's in bed looking at the Internet, or that wife who may be tempted perhaps with the opposite sex or tempted to give up on her husband spiritually because he hasn't come around.\u00a0 I mean, it's amazing what can be on the line in a very, very small decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, the thing that we deal with in the introduction is that men and women become who they are built upon one small decision, and we deal with a quote by Aristotle that \"men become just by performing just actions; brave by performing brave actions, and it's the little decisions, one upon the other, that make the man.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0At one level, all of us are involved today in hero training.\u00a0 The decisions we make today \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 will determine whether we respond with character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0And that was one of the goals.\u00a0 Dennis mentioned earlier about reading these stories to your children.\u00a0 We wanted the stories to be brief enough that they could be read at a bedtime so that they might give them some sort of direction and purpose.\u00a0 At the same time, enough adult interest that they would have challenges there for everyone that would have an interest in reading.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We've talked a great deal about men who were heroes.\u00a0 What's your favorite woman, Ned, in this book that you've highlighted as a hero?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Angelina Grimke \u2013 she was an abolitionist in the 1830s.\u00a0 Actually, she was originally from South Carolina from a very wealthy slave-holding family, and she couldn't come to grips with the fact that Christians were holding other men and women in bondage, and she eventually left South Carolina, Charleston, went North, and about five years later became involved in the abolition movement.\u00a0 In fact, she became one of the great spokespersons for the abolition movement in the 1830s.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's kind of early on in the process, because we don't hear much about the abolition movement until the 1850s, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0She was part of one of the original abolitionists in the 1830s.\u00a0 It was a very despised movement, it was not popular at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's parallel to when Wilberforce \u2013 we talked about him yesterday \u2013 but in England he was trying to outlaw slavery.\u00a0 Here in the United States, yet, that hadn't caught on.\u00a0 I think one of the things you point out in your book is that it's characteristic of a hero to stand countercultural, to stand for what's right even if the rest of the culture is saying, \"You're wrong.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, even \u2013 she had to turn her back on her family to a certain extent.\u00a0 The rest of her family, besides her sister Sarah, held slaves through the rest of their lives, did not accept Angelina's views on slavery.\u00a0 The interesting thing about Angelina is she is the first woman to speak before a legislative body here in the United States.\u00a0 In 1837 she spoke before the legislature of Massachusetts upon the slave issue, and she was terrified.\u00a0 Sarah was not able to make it that day with her, she was sick, so Angelina was alone, standing in front of the legislature.\u00a0 And she wrote Theodore Wells, her fiance, later, and said, \"Sarah was not able to make it, but Jesus was here.\u00a0 His arm was underneath me supporting me and keeping me strong.\"\u00a0 It's a great quote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You face \u2013 all congressman face ethical challenges virtually daily where you have to be before the Lord and say, \"Lord, I need wisdom in these areas,\" don't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0We do, and, you know, compromise is a word that is used freely in the arena that I now work, and there are some things you can compromise on.\u00a0 For example, do you want a 15-percent tax reduction or a 10 percent?\u00a0 Now, I like the 15 percent, but when it comes to moral issues, you know, is that a baby?\u00a0 It's a baby, and no other choice can be made except saving its life.\u00a0 There are some things that there is some ability to move on, if you will, but \u2013 to compromise on \u2013 but there are some that are rock solid.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And, Jim, as I heard you answer that question, stepping into the political arena and stepping out of business, I mean, something you've become astute in, successful, comfortable, your sons are nodding their heads.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Oh, without a doubt.\u00a0 I mean, Dad is a very successful PR man, he was a very successful public speaker, and I remember the morning he told us that he was praying about it.\u00a0 We were sitting around at breakfast, and he said, \"Guys, I was challenged with something yesterday by Todd Tiahrt, who is currently the congressman out of Wichita, Kansas, and he said, \"Jim, the 2nd District seat is about to come open.\u00a0 We need somebody who is a man of character to run for it.\u00a0 Would you consider it?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He at first told my mom, he's, like, \"I don't think I can do this.\u00a0 But you know what?\u00a0 I am going to go home and pray.\"\u00a0 So we sat around the breakfast table and he's like \"You know what?\u00a0 I'm going to take at least one full day of praying and fasting, and then I will make my decision after I feel what God has told me.\"\u00a0 And he came home, and he gathered us one more time, and he said, \"Guys, we're going to go for it,\" and he said \"we.\"\u00a0 He said, \"We're going to go for it.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0How old were you at the time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Twenty-three, and it was good that we were all adults.\u00a0 In fact, the fun thing about it was our opponent didn't know what to do because it wasn't just Jim Ryun, it was Mom and Dad were in one area of the district, Ned and Catherine would go to another one, and Heather and I would be in another part of the district.\u00a0 So we split up and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You didn't just give these guys an assignment to write a book.\u00a0 You've turned them into a political team, haven't you, Jim?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0A lifetime of activity.\u00a0 You know, the beauty of this is that when we first started, we didn't have funding, but we had convictions, and I knew what we needed to do was to go out in teams in to do what Drew just described, and it was successful because people could see, you know, who we were, what we were standing on and what we hoped to be for the future.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, what we're all hearing here is Matthew, chapter 5 \u2013 \"You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned?\u00a0 You are the light of the world, a city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Jim Ryun, you and Ann are giving light not only to the House of Representatives but you are giving light to the house of our nation, and I just applaud you and cheer you on as you continue to make heroic acts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0And that's where I can say for those that are listening, thank you for your prayers, because I know that across the country there are thousands of people paying not just for me but for others that are in, if you will, places of high position, or elected positions, and how important that is because we feel your prayers.\u00a0 And you often think of the big votes that take place on the floor, it's actually the little votes in the committee, the amendments that are addressed along the way, where we need that wisdom and that input and those prayers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, pray for Jim Ryun and other believers who are standing forth for truth in Congress.\u00a0 And Jesus said this, Jim \u2013 \"Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, and that's where we get back to what is at the heart of all of this, which is where we started today.\u00a0 We ultimately serve a king.\u00a0 We represent a kingdom as ambassadors, and this is such a great metaphor.\u00a0 Our citizenship is in that kingdom.\u00a0 We serve that king, but we serve here in this kingdom as His ambassadors.\u00a0 Whether you're a congressman or a businessman or you serve as a pastor, or you're in a para church ministry, you work at the local bank, you're a car mechanic, it doesn't really matter.\u00a0 Your assignment is to live the kind of a life in this culture that men and women will see and will see your good works and will glorify our Father, who is in heaven.\u00a0 We are His ambassadors, and that's what's characteristic of the heroes that we've heard about today.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe heroes that you talk about in the book, whether it's John Harper or C.T. Studd or Adoniram Judson \u2013 people whose names we may only be partially familiar with.\u00a0 Maybe we've heard some of these names but didn't know their story.\u00a0 These are men who lived out their faith in a profound way.\u00a0 And as we share these stories with our children, we inspire them to the same kind of heroism, the same kind of character, the same kind of courage, and I hope that many of our listeners will get a copy of this book, \"Heroes Among Us,\" and use it for family devotions, maybe use it in a home school setting.\u00a0 It's great to supplement your history curriculum.\u00a0 Maybe you have a student at home like we do who loves history.\u00a0 This is the kind of a book you can give to your children, and they can read it on their own for pleasure just because they love reading great stories or they love reading about history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, if you'd like a copy of the book, it's called \"Heroes Among Us,\" it's available from us here at FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Go online at FamilyLife.com, and in the middle of the screen you'll see a button that says \"Go.\"\u00a0 If you click that button, it will take you right to the page where you can find more information about the book, \"Heroes Among Us,\" or call 1-800-FLTODAY and someone on our team can get you more information about this book, take your order over the phone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we also want to mention a book \u2013 this actually came out a number of years ago right after the attack on the Trade Center Towers on September 11th, but it's a good book to bring to the forefront again, especially since the movie that was just recently in theaters about United Flight 93.\u00a0 It's the story of Todd Beamer, one of the passengers on United 93.\u00a0 The book is called \"Let's Roll,\" and it's written by Todd's widow, Lisa Beamer, and I don't know how many of our listeners saw that movie or will see it when it comes out on DVD, but the book really tells a remarkable story of an ordinary person who showed extraordinary courage.\u00a0 And if you're looking for a couple of books that can highlight those same themes, you might consider getting the book, \"Let's Roll,\" by Lisa Beamer, along with the book \"Heroes Among Us.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, you'll find more information about these on our website at FamilyLife.com or call 1-800-FLTODAY for more information.\u00a0 If you do order both books, we can send you at no additional cost the CD audio of our conversation with the Ryuns, and you can listen to it again as a family or you can pass it on to others who may benefit from hearing these programs as well \u2013 1-800-FLTODAY is the number or order online at FamilyLife.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the challenges we face as we go through the summer here at FamilyLife is that many of our regular listeners for whatever reason, because of vacation schedules or whatever, they are either not able to hear the program regularly, or they just kind of lose touch with us and as a result the financial support for our program often begins to wane during the summer months.\u00a0 We see a little bit of a fall-off in giving, and we have to look hard at that and see if we need to make financial adjustments because, as a ministry, we want to make sure that we're not living beyond our means or presuming upon the generosity of our listeners or on the provision of the Lord here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we wanted to let you know that we're in the middle of summer, and if you are able to help with a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today, it would really be much appreciated at this time, particularly, and if you are able to make a donation this week, we'd love to send a thank you gift to you.\u00a0 It's a CD that features an hour-long conversation we had with the author of a book called \"Love to Eat, Hate to Eat.\"\u00a0 Her name is Elyse Fitzpatrick, and we talked with her about a variety of topics all around the subject of food.\u00a0 We talked about things like eating disorders, overeating, dieting \u2013 we really tried to take a biblical look at the subject of food.\u00a0 And this week, again, if you are able to help with a donation of any amount, we'd love to send you that CD as our way of saying thanks for your financial support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you're donating online, you will come to a keycode box as you fill out the donation form.\u00a0 Just write the word \"eat\" in that keycode box, and we'll know to send you this CD or call 1-800-FLTODAY, make a donation over the phone, and mention that you'd like the CD on eating, and we'll be happy to send it off to you.\u00a0 Again, it's our way of saying thanks for your financial support of the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, tomorrow we're going to be back to talk about some other heroes you may have never heard of before \u2013 people like Elijah Lovejoy and John Harper.\u00a0 If those are not household names at your house, tune in tomorrow, and we'll see if we can tell you about some remarkable men in America's past.\u00a0 I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to transcribe, create, and produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would\u00a0\u00a0 you consider <a 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Ryun talks about what it takes to be a hero and some of the people in history who were up for the challenge.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-07-06.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0When you begin to examine heroes throughout history, you find some common characteristics, some character qualities that define them.\u00a0 Here is Ned Ryun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, I think the thing we've noticed, too, about these heroes is that they weren't led by feelings, they were led by character.\u00a0 If we're led by feelings, doing the right thing doesn't always feel good.\u00a0 I mean, these guys, a lot of them knew that they would be facing death or physical harm, rejection.\u00a0 They weren't doing what felt good, they were doing what was right, and doing the right thing is sometimes, in the immediate, a hard decision. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, July 6th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Are you helping cultivate the character qualities of real heroism in your children?\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, I found out something about our guest.\u00a0 He's a big Bible trivia man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\u00a0 I found out that about him, and I know that you are, too.\u00a0 So I'm going to see which of you knows the answer to this question \u2013 it's very simple Bible trivia.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Do you want to introduce the guest first?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0No, no, we'll take care of that in just a moment.\u00a0 We just want to find out if our guest really is any good at Bible trivia.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's you against me, are you ready?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I'm not sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0All right, Jim, you have the first chance at this question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0What does he get the first chance?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Just relax, Bob, just relax.\u00a0 Who is the wife of Jabez?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0You know what?\u00a0 Bob, all defer to you for that one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I'll give you that first chance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Thank you, thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And, Bob, the answer is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0The Bible doesn't tell us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah.\u00a0 All I knew is that there is, like one verse about Jabez in the whole Bible.\u00a0 His wife's name in that verse, unless her name is \"enlarge my territory\" or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Or Darlene Wilkinson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, yeah, that could be it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, really, Bruce Wilkinson's wife.\u00a0 Well, our guest on FamilyLife Today \u2013 well, we have three men with us \u2013 Jim Ryun and his two sons, Ned and Drew.\u00a0 Men, welcome to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Great to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Jim Ryun is a congressman from the 2nd District of Kansas.\u00a0 He is a former Olympic runner.\u00a0 In fact, we talked about this yesterday, probably talked about it too long.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All of us were runners, you know?\u00a0 Everybody in the studio today was a track star.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Bob, Bob, do not put us in the class with this family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, you don't think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0They've got state champions, Bob.\u00a0 Were you the state champion of Missouri?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0No, I wasn't.\u00a0 Did you guys run the 440?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0I did, actually, I was [unintelligible] of the mile relay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And how fast?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Forty-nine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Oh, man, okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0But maybe I could give you some encouragement, men.\u00a0 I used to run four-minute miles, now it's four-minute half-miles, so I've slowed down considerably.\u00a0 We could go for a jog together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, as you can see by looking, my running days are long past, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0They really are.\u00a0 Well, I'll tell you something that's not past any of us, and that's the need today for us to be heroes.\u00a0 And Jim and his sons have written a book called \"Heroes Among Us,\" and, I'll tell you what, when I saw this, and you sent me the book in your transcript form \u2013 it weighed about 18 pounds.\u00a0 The book is really not that big, but when you put it double-spaced just on a single sheet of paper, it was about two-and-a-half inches thick.\u00a0 I had to tell you, Jim, I was thrilled that you had written this book, because I believe the subject of dialoging and discussing heroism among men and women needs to become a part of the Christian community's dialog, because these are days that are tremendously needy from a spiritual standpoint; days that need us to step into the battle and take a stand for Jesus Christ, don't you agree?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Oh, I totally agree, and what we need to do is raise that level of expectation by giving role models and heroes that people can emulate that will give them that hope and that vision for the future.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Now, you wrote this book with your boys, and I'm going to find out here the real story \u2013 who did the work on this book, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0Well, I had the inspiration.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Let's put it this way \u2013 the 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our God,\" he walks to the back of the church, turns around, and he says, \"Who among you is with me?\"\u00a0 It is recorded that almost 300 men from his congregation joined him.\u00a0 He went on to become one of Washington's most trusted generals.\u00a0 In fact, as we neared the Battle of Yorktown, he was given control of Washington's own, and it was 1,100 light infantry of the Continental Forces, and he himself was given command of the final attack on Readout 10, which was the final readout to fall at Yorktown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Now, the reason he is one of my heroes is, again, because of his involvement in the political arena and his willingness to make a difference.\u00a0 He challenged his brother, Frederick, who was a pastor in Upstate New York to get involved.\u00a0 His brother Frederick wrote back and said, \"You know, pastors don't belong in this process.\u00a0 They need to be in the pulpit and nowhere else.\"\u00a0 Well, Peter challenged his brother saying, \"You know, the British know that if they can discourage the pastors, they can discourage the people.\"\u00a0 His church was eventually desecrated.\u00a0 He joined his brother.\u00a0 Together, they fought in the war and eventually Frederick became the very first Speaker of the House of Representatives.\u00a0 So they had a great impact not only in terms of what they spoke to the people but what they did in influencing what happened in this country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Well, and I think one of the great letters, there was a great exchange of letters between Frederick and Peter, and what happens is Frederick said, \"You, as a minister, have no business becoming involved in this,\" and Peter fired back to him, he said, \"It is true that I am a minister, but it is also true that I am a member of this society, and it is my duty to God, and it is my duty to my nation to become involved,\" and I think that is just a great recognition on Peter's part that he is a member of society, and he owes allegiance to God and his country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We said this yesterday, but there are men and women in all aspects of society whose allegiance is, first and foremost, to a higher kingdom and to a higher king, but in that context of that allegiance to the higher kingdom and the higher king, we must live as \u2013 well, the Bible says we must live as ambassadors in this foreign land, and the ambassador has to represent that kingdom in every aspect of the land in which he lives, whether it's business, whether it's politics, whether it's pastoring churches.\u00a0 All of those are legitimate professions that need godly men and women living out their faith in the midst of them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0That's true.\u00a0 In fact, I want to have a little fun with this, Bob.\u00a0 I know, before you were concerned that Dennis gave me the advantage on a quiz, so I will now give you a quote and see if you can tell me who actually said this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0\"Only through the belief that the strong are bound to protect and save the weak because God wills it so can we hope to keep self-sacrifice, love, and heroism and all the things that make us glad to live and not afraid to die.\"\u00a0 It was a challenge \u2013 the person who said that was \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It was Jim Ryun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0It was Dr. Henry VanDyke, and he actually said that just after a few days after the sinking of the \"Titanic.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, as you were talking about how there were those who wanted to rob the pastors of their courage and discourage them, I think there is an enemy today who is attempting to discourage men and women who represent Jesus Christ.\u00a0 Not merely those in the pulpit, although He is aiming there.\u00a0 But also the layman and woman in the pew who are to be heroic and to do great and mighty deeds for Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Change in a nation can't merely come about from the pulpit.\u00a0 It has to come about when individual men and women, boys and girls, step forward in small acts that may, at the time, look like they're not that much.\u00a0 I recently read Lisa Beamer's book about the Flight 93 and her husband, Todd, who said, \"Let's roll,\" and I was thinking, you know, could Todd imagine that his wife would be honored in front of the president of the United States national television around the world because of his act of heroism on behalf of his country?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just think these are days when all of us need to perform the act that God has put before us today and for some \u2013 I'm sorry to move to an application so early here on the broadcast, Bob, but I couldn't help but think that this may be the action point for some as we talk about being a hero.\u00a0 For some it may mean keeping your covenant, your marriage covenant.\u00a0 For others it may mean hanging in there with a teenager who doesn't love you, or a family member, perhaps a parent, who is unlovable.\u00a0 That could be a single, great heroic act that heaven applauds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0If you'd look at the individuals involved, and you make an application to your own life, when difficulty came, and they were squeezed, the character of Christ came out, and so I know in my own personal life what that entails is, every day, having a quiet time, making sure I spent time with the Lord.\u00a0 If it hadn't been for someone acting out the Fifth Gospel, so to speak, acting out their life before Ann and before me, you know, we were churched at the time but because someone was willing to say, you know, \"By the way, there's more than just going to church.\u00a0 There's a relationship with Christ,\" and because they did that, ultimately Ann and I met the Lord May 18, 1972.\u00a0 But that was a small act, but it was like throwing a rock in the pond \u2013 the ripple effects \u2013 how that has impacted not only our lives but our children's lives and other's lives because they were willing to make a difference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, I think the thing we've noticed, too, about these heroes is that they weren't led by feelings, they were led by character.\u00a0 If we're led by feelings, doing the right thing doesn't always feel good.\u00a0 I mean, these guys, a lot of them knew that they would be facing death or physical harm, rejection.\u00a0 They weren't doing what felt good, they were doing what was right, and doing the right thing is sometimes, in the immediate, a hard decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Well, that was just something we were actually talking about just yesterday, and the amazing thing is Dad said a lot of these people did not wake up one morning and say \"You know what?\u00a0 I'm going to go out and be hero.\"\u00a0 You know, it's the little decisions that they made in their everyday lives that prepared them for the extraordinary deeds that they did that defined them for who they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And what you're really defining is character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And I want our listeners to make sure they don't miss that, because that businessman who may be facing that temptation at work or maybe it's a temptation at home at night after his wife's in bed looking at the Internet, or that wife who may be tempted perhaps with the opposite sex or tempted to give up on her husband spiritually because he hasn't come around.\u00a0 I mean, it's amazing what can be on the line in a very, very small decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, the thing that we deal with in the introduction is that men and women become who they are built upon one small decision, and we deal with a quote by Aristotle that \"men become just by performing just actions; brave by performing brave actions, and it's the little decisions, one upon the other, that make the man.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0At one level, all of us are involved today in hero training.\u00a0 The decisions we make today \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 will determine whether we respond with character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0And that was one of the goals.\u00a0 Dennis mentioned earlier about reading these stories to your children.\u00a0 We wanted the stories to be brief enough that they could be read at a bedtime so that they might give them some sort of direction and purpose.\u00a0 At the same time, enough adult interest that they would have challenges there for everyone that would have an interest in reading.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We've talked a great deal about men who were heroes.\u00a0 What's your favorite woman, Ned, in this book that you've highlighted as a hero?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Angelina Grimke \u2013 she was an abolitionist in the 1830s.\u00a0 Actually, she was originally from South Carolina from a very wealthy slave-holding family, and she couldn't come to grips with the fact that Christians were holding other men and women in bondage, and she eventually left South Carolina, Charleston, went North, and about five years later became involved in the abolition movement.\u00a0 In fact, she became one of the great spokespersons for the abolition movement in the 1830s.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's kind of early on in the process, because we don't hear much about the abolition movement until the 1850s, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0She was part of one of the original abolitionists in the 1830s.\u00a0 It was a very despised movement, it was not popular at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's parallel to when Wilberforce \u2013 we talked about him yesterday \u2013 but in England he was trying to outlaw slavery.\u00a0 Here in the United States, yet, that hadn't caught on.\u00a0 I think one of the things you point out in your book is that it's characteristic of a hero to stand countercultural, to stand for what's right even if the rest of the culture is saying, \"You're wrong.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNed:\u00a0Well, even \u2013 she had to turn her back on her family to a certain extent.\u00a0 The rest of her family, besides her sister Sarah, held slaves through the rest of their lives, did not accept Angelina's views on slavery.\u00a0 The interesting thing about Angelina is she is the first woman to speak before a legislative body here in the United States.\u00a0 In 1837 she spoke before the legislature of Massachusetts upon the slave issue, and she was terrified.\u00a0 Sarah was not able to make it that day with her, she was sick, so Angelina was alone, standing in front of the legislature.\u00a0 And she wrote Theodore Wells, her fiance, later, and said, \"Sarah was not able to make it, but Jesus was here.\u00a0 His arm was underneath me supporting me and keeping me strong.\"\u00a0 It's a great quote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You face \u2013 all congressman face ethical challenges virtually daily where you have to be before the Lord and say, \"Lord, I need wisdom in these areas,\" don't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0We do, and, you know, compromise is a word that is used freely in the arena that I now work, and there are some things you can compromise on.\u00a0 For example, do you want a 15-percent tax reduction or a 10 percent?\u00a0 Now, I like the 15 percent, but when it comes to moral issues, you know, is that a baby?\u00a0 It's a baby, and no other choice can be made except saving its life.\u00a0 There are some things that there is some ability to move on, if you will, but \u2013 to compromise on \u2013 but there are some that are rock solid.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And, Jim, as I heard you answer that question, stepping into the political arena and stepping out of business, I mean, something you've become astute in, successful, comfortable, your sons are nodding their heads.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Oh, without a doubt.\u00a0 I mean, Dad is a very successful PR man, he was a very successful public speaker, and I remember the morning he told us that he was praying about it.\u00a0 We were sitting around at breakfast, and he said, \"Guys, I was challenged with something yesterday by Todd Tiahrt, who is currently the congressman out of Wichita, Kansas, and he said, \"Jim, the 2nd District seat is about to come open.\u00a0 We need somebody who is a man of character to run for it.\u00a0 Would you consider it?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He at first told my mom, he's, like, \"I don't think I can do this.\u00a0 But you know what?\u00a0 I am going to go home and pray.\"\u00a0 So we sat around the breakfast table and he's like \"You know what?\u00a0 I'm going to take at least one full day of praying and fasting, and then I will make my decision after I feel what God has told me.\"\u00a0 And he came home, and he gathered us one more time, and he said, \"Guys, we're going to go for it,\" and he said \"we.\"\u00a0 He said, \"We're going to go for it.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0How old were you at the time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDrew:\u00a0Twenty-three, and it was good that we were all adults.\u00a0 In fact, the fun thing about it was our opponent didn't know what to do because it wasn't just Jim Ryun, it was Mom and Dad were in one area of the district, Ned and Catherine would go to another one, and Heather and I would be in another part of the district.\u00a0 So we split up and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You didn't just give these guys an assignment to write a book.\u00a0 You've turned them into a political team, haven't you, Jim?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0A lifetime of activity.\u00a0 You know, the beauty of this is that when we first started, we didn't have funding, but we had convictions, and I knew what we needed to do was to go out in teams in to do what Drew just described, and it was successful because people could see, you know, who we were, what we were standing on and what we hoped to be for the future.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, what we're all hearing here is Matthew, chapter 5 \u2013 \"You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned?\u00a0 You are the light of the world, a city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, Jim Ryun, you and Ann are giving light not only to the House of Representatives but you are giving light to the house of our nation, and I just applaud you and cheer you on as you continue to make heroic acts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJim:\u00a0And that's where I can say for those that are listening, thank you for your prayers, because I know that across the country there are thousands of people paying not just for me but for others that are in, if you will, places of high position, or elected positions, and how important that is because we feel your prayers.\u00a0 And you often think of the big votes that take place on the floor, it's actually the little votes in the committee, the amendments that are addressed along the way, where we need that wisdom and that input and those prayers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, pray for Jim Ryun and other believers who are standing forth for truth in Congress.\u00a0 And Jesus said this, Jim \u2013 \"Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, and that's where we get back to what is at the heart of all of this, which is where we started today.\u00a0 We ultimately serve a king.\u00a0 We represent a kingdom as ambassadors, and this is such a great metaphor.\u00a0 Our citizenship is in that kingdom.\u00a0 We serve that king, but we serve here in this kingdom as His ambassadors.\u00a0 Whether you're a congressman or a businessman or you serve as a pastor, or you're in a para church ministry, you work at the local bank, you're a car mechanic, it doesn't really matter.\u00a0 Your assignment is to live the kind of a life in this culture that men and women will see and will see your good works and will glorify our Father, who is in heaven.\u00a0 We are His ambassadors, and that's what's characteristic of the heroes that we've heard about today.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe heroes that you talk about in the book, whether it's John Harper or C.T. Studd or Adoniram Judson \u2013 people whose names we may only be partially familiar with.\u00a0 Maybe we've heard some of these names but didn't know their story.\u00a0 These are men who lived out their faith in a profound way.\u00a0 And as we share these stories with our children, we inspire them to the same kind of heroism, the same kind of character, the same kind of courage, and I hope that many of our listeners will get a copy of this book, \"Heroes Among Us,\" and use it for family devotions, maybe use it in a home school setting.\u00a0 It's great to supplement your history curriculum.\u00a0 Maybe you have a student at home like we do who loves history.\u00a0 This is the kind of a book you can give to your children, and they can read it on their own for pleasure just because they love reading great stories or they love reading about history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, if you'd like a copy of the book, it's called \"Heroes Among Us,\" it's available from us here at FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Go online at FamilyLife.com, and in the middle of the screen you'll see a button that says \"Go.\"\u00a0 If you click that button, it will take you right to the page where you can find more information about the book, \"Heroes Among Us,\" or call 1-800-FLTODAY and someone on our team can get you more information about this book, take your order over the phone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we also want to mention a book \u2013 this actually came out a number of years ago right after the attack on the Trade Center Towers on September 11th, but it's a good book to bring to the forefront again, especially since the movie that was just recently in theaters about United Flight 93.\u00a0 It's the story of Todd Beamer, one of the passengers on United 93.\u00a0 The book is called \"Let's Roll,\" and it's written by Todd's widow, Lisa Beamer, and I don't know how many of our listeners saw that movie or will see it when it comes out on DVD, but the book really tells a remarkable story of an ordinary person who showed extraordinary courage.\u00a0 And if you're looking for a couple of books that can highlight those same themes, you might consider getting the book, \"Let's Roll,\" by Lisa Beamer, along with the book \"Heroes Among Us.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, you'll find more information about these on our website at FamilyLife.com or call 1-800-FLTODAY for more information.\u00a0 If you do order both books, we can send you at no additional cost the CD audio of our conversation with the Ryuns, and you can listen to it again as a family or you can pass it on to others who may benefit from hearing these programs as well \u2013 1-800-FLTODAY is the number or order online at FamilyLife.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the challenges we face as we go through the summer here at FamilyLife is that many of our regular listeners for whatever reason, because of vacation schedules or whatever, they are either not able to hear the program regularly, or they just kind of lose touch with us and as a result the financial support for our program often begins to wane during the summer months.\u00a0 We see a little bit of a fall-off in giving, and we have to look hard at that and see if we need to make financial adjustments because, as a ministry, we want to make sure that we're not living beyond our means or presuming upon the generosity of our listeners or on the provision of the Lord here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we wanted to let you know that we're in the middle of summer, and if you are able to help with a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today, it would really be much appreciated at this time, particularly, and if you are able to make a donation this week, we'd love to send a thank you gift to you.\u00a0 It's a CD that features an hour-long conversation we had with the author of a book called \"Love to Eat, Hate to Eat.\"\u00a0 Her name is Elyse Fitzpatrick, and we talked with her about a variety of topics all around the subject of food.\u00a0 We talked about things like eating disorders, overeating, dieting \u2013 we really tried to take a biblical look at the subject of food.\u00a0 And this week, again, if you are able to help with a donation of any amount, we'd love to send you that CD as our way of saying thanks for your financial support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you're donating online, you will come to a keycode box as you fill out the donation form.\u00a0 Just write the word \"eat\" in that keycode box, and we'll know to send you this CD or call 1-800-FLTODAY, make a donation over the phone, and mention that you'd like the CD on eating, and we'll be happy to send it off to you.\u00a0 Again, it's our way of saying thanks for your financial support of the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, tomorrow we're going to be back to talk about some other heroes you may have never heard of before \u2013 people like Elijah Lovejoy and John Harper.\u00a0 If those are not household names at your house, tune in tomorrow, and we'll see if we can tell you about some remarkable men in America's past.\u00a0 I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to transcribe, create, and produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would\u00a0\u00a0 you consider <a 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