{"id":301112,"date":"2006-05-16T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-05-16T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-best-selling-heresy\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:42:19","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:42:19","slug":"a-best-selling-heresy","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-best-selling-heresy\/","title":{"rendered":"A Best-Selling Heresy"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Various pastors and theologians talk about The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-05-16.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"11.35M","filesize_raw":"11902896","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2089],"tags":[4722,4818,4299],"podcast_series":[7451],"cwp_profile":[8828],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301112","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-media-and-entertainment","tag-christianity","tag-evangelism","tag-faith","podcast_series-unconvinced-by-the-da-vinci-code","cwp_profile-various-guests","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301112\/a-best-selling-heresy","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301112\/a-best-selling-heresy","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"DrA5hPLQoh\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-best-selling-heresy\/\">A Best-Selling Heresy<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-best-selling-heresy\/embed\/#?secret=DrA5hPLQoh\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;A Best-Selling Heresy&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"DrA5hPLQoh\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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mystery that's been hidden for centuries.\u00a0 Actually, what he's done is revive the heresy that's been around for centuries \u2013 the heresy of Gnosticism.\u00a0 Here is author Lauren Winner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLauren:\u00a0Gnosticism is a technical term for a particular heresy that was dogging the church from the church's very beginnings, and it was a heresy in which people said there is a radical split between matter and spirit, and spirit's good, and matter is bad.\u00a0 And even though the church called that a heresy and dismissed it quite early on, the idea that matter and, in particular, our bodies, are bad, has stuck with us in the church and outside of the church for 2,000 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, May 16th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 What is the connection between the ancient heresy of Gnosticism and \"The DaVinci Code?\"\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 A lot of buzz about the opening of the movie \"The DaVinci Code.\"\u00a0 Of course, there's been a lot of buzz about the book that's been around now for two or three years, or maybe even longer.\u00a0 I guess with the \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0With the charges of plagiarism.\u00a0 You know, if you stop and think about it, this story \u2013 or some of the claims that are made in this story about Jesus, they really have been around not just for years but for centuries.\u00a0 This goes back to heresy that has kind of plagued the church throughout its history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let me read what Dan Brown, who is the author of \"The DaVinci Code\" said \u2013 \"My hope for \"The DaVinci Code\" was, in addition to entertaining people, is that it might serve as an open door for readers to begin their own explorations and rekindle their interest in topics of faith.\"\u00a0 And to that I say to Mr. Brown, bring it on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0To the degree that \"The DaVinci Code\" stirs up our nation to ask the question, who is Jesus Christ?\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 That is to our advantage.\u00a0 To those of us who profess and who are followers and disciples of Christ \u2013 what a great opportunity this movie provides to engage a lost generation around the claims of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, and as he said, he'd like to see people do their own investigation and, as we've already heard this week, if people will do their own investigation, they will come away from that investigation with very clear evidence that a lot of what's in \"The DaVinci Code\" is a bunch of hooey, if I can put it gently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hooey?\u00a0 Hooey?\u00a0 Hooey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's a bunch of hooey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Google the word \"hooey.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And not only is it a bunch of hooey, but it's hooey that's been around for a long time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And to respond to this hooey, we are making available a little magazine how many pages is this, Bob \u2013 16-page magazine \u2013 that Campus Crusade for Christ, our parent organization, has created for just a moment like this.\u00a0 They have literally printed millions of copies of this magazine called \"The DaVinci Code\" a companion guide to the movie, and they're making them available in packets of 10 so that you, as a listener, can order 10 of these little magazines and then drop them off on folks' desks at work, hand them to a friend, a neighbor, or give them to your teenagers to take to school the next opportunity they have and to pass them out in class.\u00a0 Make Jesus Christ the issue at school, in the marketplace, and in your neighborhood.\u00a0 What a great idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This week we have asked our friend, Hugh Duncan, who hosts a podcast, \"New Clarity,\" to do some digging on the subject of \"The DaVinci Code\" and what he found when he did the investigation that Dan Brown invited him to do, well, he found that a lot of the ideas in the \"The DaVinci Code\" are nothing new under the sun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Elizabeth Lev has been teaching art history in Rome for the last 10 years or so, and it used to be that students arriving from the United States seemed more interested in the travel than in the art.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0Students would get off the plane, and they'd gather together for their first classes, and they'd raise their hands earnestly, and I would expect to hear, you know, some sort of question about the art or history, and they would all ask me where the outlet malls were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0A few years ago, she noticed a change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0Students would raise their hands and start asking me where \"The Last Supper\" was, and I was delighted to tell them that \"The Last Supper\" was in Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan and thrilled to hear that students were so eager to start looking at art up and down Italy until I found out that it was for all the wrong reasons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0It seemed like when Elizabeth Lev would teach on \"The Last Supper,\" her students were paying extra close attention.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0And, finally, a student raised his hand and said, \"But, Professor Lev, isn't that Mary Magdalene sitting next to Jesus?\"\u00a0 And then, as the Italians say, [speaks Italian] \u2013 I fell from the clouds and realized that there was something going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Usually, when people start asking a certain kind of question, you begin to realize that there is some new novel that is catching people's interest, and so from there it was a very short while before the tidal wave of \"DaVinci Code\" hit us in Rome.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0At the center of \"The DaVinci Code\" by Dan Brown is the idea that Jesus was the husband of Mary Magdalene and had a child.\u00a0 According to the novel, Leonardo DaVinci knew this secret and painted clues about it in \"The Last Supper.\"\u00a0 One supposed clue is that there is no chalice on the table, no Holy Grail, because Mary Magdalene was the chalice that held the blood of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0Whoever did put a chalice on the table?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Professor Lev says that there were many artists who painted the last supper during the Renaissance.\u00a0 None of them included a chalice.\u00a0 Leonardo wasn't leaving anything out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The final clue, the one that had intrigued Professor Lev's students so much, was that the character sitting to Jesus' right was actually Mary Magdalene not the Apostle John.\u00a0 \"The DaVinci Code\" describes this character as having flowing red hair, delicate folded hands, and the hint of a bosom.\u00a0 The book says \"It was, without a doubt, female.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Elizabeth Lev says Dan Brown just doesn't understand his subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0The Renaissance creates types, and Leonardo wrote a great deal on the subject in his treatise on painting, that certain types, certain people, should have certain characteristics.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0For instance, someone who is wise would always be shown to have a long, flowing, white beard.\u00a0 The Apostle John was painted just the opposite, as a student type.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0With the very clean-shaven, pinkish cheeks \u2013 a very, very youthful \u2013 he doesn't have any of the hard edges or the bristly beard that would show an aggressiveness, a possible rivalry, but just that soft, yielding, gentle, trusting nature of the student is represented through his physique.\u00a0 This is not done just by Leonardo; this is done in virtually every, single last supper painting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If you are an art history professor, and you get a paper, which has in the first paragraph the same mistake repeated over and over and over again, you just look at the paper, it's clear the student didn't even do the most basic research.\u00a0 You write a big red \"F\" on the cover, you hand it back, and you say, \"Rewrite it.\"\u00a0 And so you start out with someone who just didn't do any research.\u00a0 He just looked at some paintings and let the story weave in his mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\"The DaVinci Code\" is a book that purports to tell the history of early Christianity without once looking at the documents closest to that history, which would be the documents of the New Testament.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Amy Wellborn wrote \"Decoding DaVinci.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAmy:\u00a0Instead relying on documents that were written hundreds of years later, particularly the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Mary, and the Gospel of Thomas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJames:\u00a0And there is where he makes his case for the alleged marriage of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0The characters in \"The DaVinci Code\" try to prove the marriage of Jesus by using the historically unreliable Gospel of Philip, which, in its English translation says Christ kissed Mary Magdalene on the mouth.\u00a0 But in looking at the original document, things get more complicated.\u00a0 Here is co-author of \"Cracking DaVinci's Code,\" James Garlow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJames:\u00a0It's torn, it's fragmented at that point, so what it says is Jesus kissed Mary on the \u2013 what could it be \u2013 forehead or cheek or whatever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0Scholars think that the word that would have been in the hole is \"mouth.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0It may sound strange to us, but the writer of the Gospel of Philip came from a religious tradition that said secret knowledge could be transmitted through kissing.\u00a0 Sandra Meisel co-wrote \"The DaVinci Hoax.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0And another gnostic Gospel, the Gospel of James shows Jesus kissing James on the mouth to do the same thing.\u00a0 It's not a romantic thing at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0The Gospel of Philip also calls Mary Magdalene Jesus' companion.\u00a0 A character in \"The DaVinci Code\" says this is proof that they were married; that in Aramaic, \"companion\" literally means \"spouse.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLee:\u00a0Well, the problem with that is, this document was not written in Aramaic, it was written in Coptic.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0This is co-author of \"Exploring the DaVinci Code,\" Lee Strobel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLee:\u00a0And the word there for companion was actually borrowed from the Greek \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBen:\u00a0Which is not a synonym for \"wife.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Ben Witherington wrote a book called \"The Gospel Code,\" and he talks about this word translated \"companion.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBen:\u00a0It means \"wife\" or \"companion,\" it means somebody who is in the inner circle of disciples.\u00a0 It could be a male, it could mean a female.\u00a0 It's not a gender-specific term in any way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLee:\u00a0On top of that, the Gospel of Philip is simply not a pro-marriage manual, so it doesn't make the case for Jesus' marriage, in fact, it's a bit anti-marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0These texts that Dan Brown quotes from tend to be anti-marriage and anti-sex because they were written by people who believed in Gnosticism.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAmy:\u00a0Gnosticism was a movement, although even to call it a movement is giving it too much organization.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Here is scholar N.T. Wright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tN.T.:\u00a0A sense that the world of space and time and matter that we know is basically a bad place and pretty certainly made by a bad God.\u00a0 So the Gnostics could not believe that God was made flesh, because that would mean that God was evil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Erwin Lutzer wrote \"The DaVinci Deception.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tErwin:\u00a0And therefore they denied the incarnation and almost universally they also denied the Resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tN.T.:\u00a0So then the way of escape is not faith, and it's not being rescued by someone else, it's not in that sense redemption as in the classic Jewish or Christian positions.\u00a0 It's knowledge, and it's discovery of a knowledge within one's self, or a knowledge about one's own true self.\u00a0 So, if you like it, discovering who I really am.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0These gnostic ideas and gnostic texts have been gaining in popularity thanks, in large part, to the writings of Elaine Pagels.\u00a0 And Dan Brown has taken some of these ideas and turned them into a novel about what he calls \"the divine feminine.\"\u00a0 \"The DaVinci Code\" gives the idea that the New Testament suppresses and devalues women but these Gnostic texts elevate women.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0Dan Brown, in my opinion, did not read an entire Gnostic document.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Sandra Meisel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0He took a couple of juicy quotations from Elaine Pagels and from maybe some of the other books that he says he consulted, and he didn't actually read the documents nor does he know anything about the historical context of these documents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Here is Richard Abanes, author of \"The Truth Behind the DaVinci Code.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRichard:\u00a0Oddly, and very ironically, the Gnostics were the ones who were actually quite anti-female and anti-feminine, and so even Dan Brown has misrepresented them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0What Dan Brown does not quote is the infamous last verse of the Gospel of Thomas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWoman:\u00a0Peter says to Jesus, \"Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.\"\u00a0 And Jesus says, \"I myself shall lead her in order to make her male so that she, too, may become a living spirit resembling you males.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWoman:\u00a0That women must shed their femininity and become like men to get into heaven.\u00a0 Now, that's not something a man is going to say about his wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWoman:\u00a0The whole thing is just a botched mess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Here is N.T. Wright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tN.T.:\u00a0One of the real ironies of Dan Brown's book is that he seems to think that he is making Mary Magdalene out to be somebody who is really special over against what the early church would have thought, whereas in the New Testament itself and John's Gospel being the shining example, Mary Magdalene has this stunning role that she is the first one to see the risen Jesus and, moreover, she is the first one to be commissioned to go and tell other people that Jesus is alive, and that He is ascending to the Father and all of that.\u00a0 So that's a hugely significant role.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0And I just wonder why in the world Dan Brown chooses to attack Christianity, which of all the world religious systems has liberated women to a much greater extent that any other faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0This is Paul Maier, co-author of \"The DaVinci Code \u2013 Fact or Fiction?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Well, look how women are treated in Islam, for goodness' sake.\u00a0 Instead, we have, in Christianity, a St. Paul who says, \"There is neither a slave nor free, neither male nor female, neither a Greek or Jew.\u00a0 They are all one in Christ.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Unlike Gnosticism, the New Testament affirms that marriage and sex are good gifts from a good God.\u00a0 That being the case, could Jesus have gotten married?\u00a0 Here is Amy Wellborn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAmy:\u00a0People who are Christians, who want to muse about a possible marriage of Jesus, are really missing a very important theological point, and that is that Jesus is married.\u00a0 Jesus is married to the church.\u00a0 Throughout the Scriptures marriage is used as a metaphor for the relationship of God to His people.\u00a0 We see it several times in the Old Testament.\u00a0 We even see it hinted at in the new and come to a very explicit fruition in the Book of Revelation, in the very last couple of chapters in which the spirit and the bride say, \"Come.\"\u00a0 What we have there in that scene is the final union of Christ and His church analogized to a wedding.\u00a0 As members of the church, we are all united to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, we want to thank again our friend, Hugh Duncan, from \"New Clarity,\" for his look at \"The DaVinci Code\" and, by the way, his programs on this subject are available for download from the \"New Clarity\" podcast, and, as I said, a lot of what's on the bestseller list, including \"The DaVinci Code\" is hooey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hooey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's a bunch of hooey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And while we've been listening, engineer Keith Lynch looked up what \"hooey\" was on Google and, Keith, what was the official definition of \"hooey\" from your Google search?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKeith:\u00a0Solid, reliable historic evidence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Something like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0What did it say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKeith:\u00a0\"Nonsense talk.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0A bunch of nonsense talk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's exactly right, and I have two thoughts in terms of application today \u2013 number one, use the opportunity nationwide that where there's going to be a buzz about \"The DaVinci Code,\" the movie and the book, usually there's an opportunity to engage people about who Jesus Christ really is \u2013 not about the work of fiction, the novel that Dan Brown wrote, but instead what Jesus said about himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The second thing I want to encourage you with is from a passage in Romans, chapter 12, verse 21, very simple \u2013 \"Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good.\"\u00a0 You know, there's going to be evil in every generation every day of our life that we face, and the question is are we going to overcome it or will we be overcome by it?\u00a0 And the Holy Scriptures tell us overcome evil with good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, I don't know what that means to you today, but a part of overcoming evil with good is telling people and sharing with people who Christ is and why you're a follower and why you're a believer in Christ.\u00a0 Perhaps it's being good to someone who has been badgering you about this movie and being kind to them rather than beating them up with your reasoning and with your words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Bob, when the sun sets on this movie, Christians must be loving; they must have a life to back up the truth that we embrace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Now, I have a conscience question for you, and I haven't asked you about this yet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Is it about hooey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, in a way, it is, yes.\u00a0 I know that you wouldn't buy a copy of \"The DaVinci Code.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Because you didn't want to contribute anything to the author's net worth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It was just a \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 conscience issue for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0A personal conviction of mine.\u00a0 Truthfully, I would kind of like to have seen what it was all about, but decided not to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Okay, here's the question \u2013 are you going to go see the movie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, even as I was saying that, I was thinking, \"Would I do that?\"\u00a0 I don't think I'll go see the movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0What if you had an opportunity to take a non-Christian friend with you to see the movie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I might do that, seriously, I might do that.\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Especially someone that I knew was searching, and they wanted to go see it, and they wanted me to join them to go see it.\u00a0 Why not?\u00a0 I'm not afraid of what it's going to do to my faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0But that's a good question, Bob.\u00a0 What about you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, I bought the book in paperback because it was cheaper.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you did contribute?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I did.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And so you're going to the movie, too, aren't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yes, I'm buying popcorn while I'm there.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We're going to get some mail for this, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Listen, Dan Brown has made $350 million last year.\u00a0 The 25 cents he made from me on the copy that I bought, the paperback, I'll add, isn't going to help him out a whole lot and, again, the reason I'm reading it is so that I can talk intelligently with folks who have read it who are saying, \"But what about this and what about that,\" and they're challenging what's at the heart of the Christian faith.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, we've got resources in our FamilyLife Resource Center that are designed to help folks with that, whether you read \"The DaVinci Code\" or not, these are resources that would be good to have on hand if you do get engaged in a conversation with somebody who is falling into the Davinci trap.\u00a0 Campus Crusade for Christ has put together a magazine that is a 16-page full-color magazine called \"The DaVinci Code \u2013 A Companion Guide to the Movie,\" that answers questions like did Jesus really claim to be God?\u00a0 Was Jesus married to Mary Magdalene?\u00a0 And are there hidden messages in Leonardo DaVinci's art that point away from the biblical record?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0These magazines are available in packages of 10, and we're doing that so that you can order 10 of them and pass them out to friends or neighbors or folks you know who have been to see the movie.\u00a0 They're great to order and take with you to the movies and just pass out to folks who might be interested as they're coming out of the theater or if you're taking a friend to the movie with you, just pass along a copy of this magazine to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, these are available in packages of 10 in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\u00a0 Go online to FamilyLife.com and click the red \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen, and you'll get more information about what's inside this magazine and how you can order it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We also have Josh McDowell's new book called \"The DaVinci Code \u2013 A Quest for Answers,\" and Richard Abanes book, \"The Truth Behind the DaVinci Code.\"\u00a0 Both of these are helpful books that examine some of the allegations that Dan Brown makes in his novel, and then they compare with what we find in history and in archaeology, and they examine the reality of what's being asserted in the novel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, if you'd like any of these resources, go to our website, FamilyLife.com, click the \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen, and that will take you right to the page where you can get the information you need, or call 1-800-FLTODAY and someone on our team can let you know how you can have these resources sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, it's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, 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pastors and theologians talk about The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-05-16.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Some people have been stunned as they've read \"The DaVinci Code\" thinking that author Dan Brown has unveiled a mystery that's been hidden for centuries.\u00a0 Actually, what he's done is revive the heresy that's been around for centuries \u2013 the heresy of Gnosticism.\u00a0 Here is author Lauren Winner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLauren:\u00a0Gnosticism is a technical term for a particular heresy that was dogging the church from the church's very beginnings, and it was a heresy in which people said there is a radical split between matter and spirit, and spirit's good, and matter is bad.\u00a0 And even though the church called that a heresy and dismissed it quite early on, the idea that matter and, in particular, our bodies, are bad, has stuck with us in the church and outside of the church for 2,000 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, May 16th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 What is the connection between the ancient heresy of Gnosticism and \"The DaVinci Code?\"\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 A lot of buzz about the opening of the movie \"The DaVinci Code.\"\u00a0 Of course, there's been a lot of buzz about the book that's been around now for two or three years, or maybe even longer.\u00a0 I guess with the \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0With the charges of plagiarism.\u00a0 You know, if you stop and think about it, this story \u2013 or some of the claims that are made in this story about Jesus, they really have been around not just for years but for centuries.\u00a0 This goes back to heresy that has kind of plagued the church throughout its history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let me read what Dan Brown, who is the author of \"The DaVinci Code\" said \u2013 \"My hope for \"The DaVinci Code\" was, in addition to entertaining people, is that it might serve as an open door for readers to begin their own explorations and rekindle their interest in topics of faith.\"\u00a0 And to that I say to Mr. Brown, bring it on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0To the degree that \"The DaVinci Code\" stirs up our nation to ask the question, who is Jesus Christ?\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 That is to our advantage.\u00a0 To those of us who profess and who are followers and disciples of Christ \u2013 what a great opportunity this movie provides to engage a lost generation around the claims of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, and as he said, he'd like to see people do their own investigation and, as we've already heard this week, if people will do their own investigation, they will come away from that investigation with very clear evidence that a lot of what's in \"The DaVinci Code\" is a bunch of hooey, if I can put it gently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hooey?\u00a0 Hooey?\u00a0 Hooey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's a bunch of hooey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Google the word \"hooey.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And not only is it a bunch of hooey, but it's hooey that's been around for a long time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And to respond to this hooey, we are making available a little magazine how many pages is this, Bob \u2013 16-page magazine \u2013 that Campus Crusade for Christ, our parent organization, has created for just a moment like this.\u00a0 They have literally printed millions of copies of this magazine called \"The DaVinci Code\" a companion guide to the movie, and they're making them available in packets of 10 so that you, as a listener, can order 10 of these little magazines and then drop them off on folks' desks at work, hand them to a friend, a neighbor, or give them to your teenagers to take to school the next opportunity they have and to pass them out in class.\u00a0 Make Jesus Christ the issue at school, in the marketplace, and in your neighborhood.\u00a0 What a great idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This week we have asked our friend, Hugh Duncan, who hosts a podcast, \"New Clarity,\" to do some digging on the subject of \"The DaVinci Code\" and what he found when he did the investigation that Dan Brown invited him to do, well, he found that a lot of the ideas in the \"The DaVinci Code\" are nothing new under the sun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Elizabeth Lev has been teaching art history in Rome for the last 10 years or so, and it used to be that students arriving from the United States seemed more interested in the travel than in the art.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0Students would get off the plane, and they'd gather together for their first classes, and they'd raise their hands earnestly, and I would expect to hear, you know, some sort of question about the art or history, and they would all ask me where the outlet malls were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0A few years ago, she noticed a change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0Students would raise their hands and start asking me where \"The Last Supper\" was, and I was delighted to tell them that \"The Last Supper\" was in Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan and thrilled to hear that students were so eager to start looking at art up and down Italy until I found out that it was for all the wrong reasons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0It seemed like when Elizabeth Lev would teach on \"The Last Supper,\" her students were paying extra close attention.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0And, finally, a student raised his hand and said, \"But, Professor Lev, isn't that Mary Magdalene sitting next to Jesus?\"\u00a0 And then, as the Italians say, [speaks Italian] \u2013 I fell from the clouds and realized that there was something going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Usually, when people start asking a certain kind of question, you begin to realize that there is some new novel that is catching people's interest, and so from there it was a very short while before the tidal wave of \"DaVinci Code\" hit us in Rome.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0At the center of \"The DaVinci Code\" by Dan Brown is the idea that Jesus was the husband of Mary Magdalene and had a child.\u00a0 According to the novel, Leonardo DaVinci knew this secret and painted clues about it in \"The Last Supper.\"\u00a0 One supposed clue is that there is no chalice on the table, no Holy Grail, because Mary Magdalene was the chalice that held the blood of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0Whoever did put a chalice on the table?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Professor Lev says that there were many artists who painted the last supper during the Renaissance.\u00a0 None of them included a chalice.\u00a0 Leonardo wasn't leaving anything out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The final clue, the one that had intrigued Professor Lev's students so much, was that the character sitting to Jesus' right was actually Mary Magdalene not the Apostle John.\u00a0 \"The DaVinci Code\" describes this character as having flowing red hair, delicate folded hands, and the hint of a bosom.\u00a0 The book says \"It was, without a doubt, female.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Elizabeth Lev says Dan Brown just doesn't understand his subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0The Renaissance creates types, and Leonardo wrote a great deal on the subject in his treatise on painting, that certain types, certain people, should have certain characteristics.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0For instance, someone who is wise would always be shown to have a long, flowing, white beard.\u00a0 The Apostle John was painted just the opposite, as a student type.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tElizabeth:\u00a0With the very clean-shaven, pinkish cheeks \u2013 a very, very youthful \u2013 he doesn't have any of the hard edges or the bristly beard that would show an aggressiveness, a possible rivalry, but just that soft, yielding, gentle, trusting nature of the student is represented through his physique.\u00a0 This is not done just by Leonardo; this is done in virtually every, single last supper painting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If you are an art history 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secret knowledge could be transmitted through kissing.\u00a0 Sandra Meisel co-wrote \"The DaVinci Hoax.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0And another gnostic Gospel, the Gospel of James shows Jesus kissing James on the mouth to do the same thing.\u00a0 It's not a romantic thing at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0The Gospel of Philip also calls Mary Magdalene Jesus' companion.\u00a0 A character in \"The DaVinci Code\" says this is proof that they were married; that in Aramaic, \"companion\" literally means \"spouse.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLee:\u00a0Well, the problem with that is, this document was not written in Aramaic, it was written in Coptic.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0This is co-author of \"Exploring the DaVinci Code,\" Lee Strobel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLee:\u00a0And the word there for companion was actually borrowed from the Greek \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBen:\u00a0Which is not a synonym for \"wife.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Ben Witherington wrote a book called \"The Gospel Code,\" and he talks about this word translated \"companion.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBen:\u00a0It means \"wife\" or \"companion,\" it means somebody who is in the inner circle of disciples.\u00a0 It could be a male, it could mean a female.\u00a0 It's not a gender-specific term in any way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLee:\u00a0On top of that, the Gospel of Philip is simply not a pro-marriage manual, so it doesn't make the case for Jesus' marriage, in fact, it's a bit anti-marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0These texts that Dan Brown quotes from tend to be anti-marriage and anti-sex because they were written by people who believed in Gnosticism.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAmy:\u00a0Gnosticism was a movement, although even to call it a movement is giving it too much organization.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Here is scholar N.T. Wright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tN.T.:\u00a0A sense that the world of space and time and matter that we know is basically a bad place and pretty certainly made by a bad God.\u00a0 So the Gnostics could not believe that God was made flesh, because that would mean that God was evil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Erwin Lutzer wrote \"The DaVinci Deception.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tErwin:\u00a0And therefore they denied the incarnation and almost universally they also denied the Resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tN.T.:\u00a0So then the way of escape is not faith, and it's not being rescued by someone else, it's not in that sense redemption as in the classic Jewish or Christian positions.\u00a0 It's knowledge, and it's discovery of a knowledge within one's self, or a knowledge about one's own true self.\u00a0 So, if you like it, discovering who I really am.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0These gnostic ideas and gnostic texts have been gaining in popularity thanks, in large part, to the writings of Elaine Pagels.\u00a0 And Dan Brown has taken some of these ideas and turned them into a novel about what he calls \"the divine feminine.\"\u00a0 \"The DaVinci Code\" gives the idea that the New Testament suppresses and devalues women but these Gnostic texts elevate women.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0Dan Brown, in my opinion, did not read an entire Gnostic document.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Sandra Meisel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0He took a couple of juicy quotations from Elaine Pagels and from maybe some of the other books that he says he consulted, and he didn't actually read the documents nor does he know anything about the historical context of these documents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Here is Richard Abanes, author of \"The Truth Behind the DaVinci Code.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRichard:\u00a0Oddly, and very ironically, the Gnostics were the ones who were actually quite anti-female and anti-feminine, and so even Dan Brown has misrepresented them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSandra:\u00a0What Dan Brown does not quote is the infamous last verse of the Gospel of Thomas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWoman:\u00a0Peter says to Jesus, \"Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.\"\u00a0 And Jesus says, \"I myself shall lead her in order to make her male so that she, too, may become a living spirit resembling you males.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWoman:\u00a0That women must shed their femininity and become like men to get into heaven.\u00a0 Now, that's not something a man is going to say about his wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWoman:\u00a0The whole thing is just a botched mess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Here is N.T. Wright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tN.T.:\u00a0One of the real ironies of Dan Brown's book is that he seems to think that he is making Mary Magdalene out to be somebody who is really special over against what the early church would have thought, whereas in the New Testament itself and John's Gospel being the shining example, Mary Magdalene has this stunning role that she is the first one to see the risen Jesus and, moreover, she is the first one to be commissioned to go and tell other people that Jesus is alive, and that He is ascending to the Father and all of that.\u00a0 So that's a hugely significant role.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0And I just wonder why in the world Dan Brown chooses to attack Christianity, which of all the world religious systems has liberated women to a much greater extent that any other faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0This is Paul Maier, co-author of \"The DaVinci Code \u2013 Fact or Fiction?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Well, look how women are treated in Islam, for goodness' sake.\u00a0 Instead, we have, in Christianity, a St. Paul who says, \"There is neither a slave nor free, neither male nor female, neither a Greek or Jew.\u00a0 They are all one in Christ.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHugh:\u00a0Unlike Gnosticism, the New Testament affirms that marriage and sex are good gifts from a good God.\u00a0 That being the case, could Jesus have gotten married?\u00a0 Here is Amy Wellborn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAmy:\u00a0People who are Christians, who want to muse about a possible marriage of Jesus, are really missing a very important theological point, and that is that Jesus is married.\u00a0 Jesus is married to the church.\u00a0 Throughout the Scriptures marriage is used as a metaphor for the relationship of God to His people.\u00a0 We see it several times in the Old Testament.\u00a0 We even see it hinted at in the new and come to a very explicit fruition in the Book of Revelation, in the very last couple of chapters in which the spirit and the bride say, \"Come.\"\u00a0 What we have there in that scene is the final union of Christ and His church analogized to a wedding.\u00a0 As members of the church, we are all united to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, we want to thank again our friend, Hugh Duncan, from \"New Clarity,\" for his look at \"The DaVinci Code\" and, by the way, his programs on this subject are available for download from the \"New Clarity\" podcast, and, as I said, a lot of what's on the bestseller list, including \"The DaVinci Code\" is hooey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Hooey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0It's a bunch of hooey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And while we've been listening, engineer Keith Lynch looked up what \"hooey\" was on Google and, Keith, what was the official definition of \"hooey\" from your Google search?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKeith:\u00a0Solid, reliable historic evidence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Something like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0What did it say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKeith:\u00a0\"Nonsense talk.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0A bunch of nonsense talk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's exactly right, and I have two thoughts in terms of application today \u2013 number one, use the opportunity nationwide that where there's going to be a buzz about \"The DaVinci Code,\" the movie and the book, usually there's an opportunity to engage people about who Jesus Christ really is \u2013 not about the work of fiction, the novel that Dan Brown wrote, but instead what Jesus said about himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The second thing I want to encourage you with is from a passage in Romans, chapter 12, verse 21, very simple \u2013 \"Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good.\"\u00a0 You know, there's going to be evil in every generation every day of our life that we face, and the question is are we going to overcome it or will we be overcome by it?\u00a0 And the Holy Scriptures tell us overcome evil with good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, I don't know what that means to you today, but a part of overcoming evil with good is telling people and sharing with people who Christ is and why you're a follower and why you're a believer in Christ.\u00a0 Perhaps it's being good to someone who has been badgering you about this movie and being kind to them rather than beating them up with your reasoning and with your words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Bob, when the sun sets on this movie, Christians must be loving; they must have a life to back up the truth that we embrace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Now, I have a conscience question for you, and I haven't asked you about this yet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Is it about hooey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, in a way, it is, yes.\u00a0 I know that you wouldn't buy a copy of \"The DaVinci Code.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0That's correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Because you didn't want to contribute anything to the author's net worth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0It was just a \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\u2026 conscience issue for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0A personal conviction of mine.\u00a0 Truthfully, I would kind of like to have seen what it was all about, but decided not to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Okay, here's the question \u2013 are you going to go see the movie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, even as I was saying that, I was thinking, \"Would I do that?\"\u00a0 I don't think I'll go see the movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0What if you had an opportunity to take a non-Christian friend with you to see the movie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I might do that, seriously, I might do that.\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Especially someone that I knew was searching, and they wanted to go see it, and they wanted me to join them to go see it.\u00a0 Why not?\u00a0 I'm not afraid of what it's going to do to my faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0But that's a good question, Bob.\u00a0 What about you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, I bought the book in paperback because it was cheaper.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So you did contribute?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I did.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And so you're going to the movie, too, aren't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yes, I'm buying popcorn while I'm there.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We're going to get some mail for this, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Listen, Dan Brown has made $350 million last year.\u00a0 The 25 cents he made from me on the copy that I bought, the paperback, I'll add, isn't going to help him out a whole lot and, again, the reason I'm reading it is so that I can talk intelligently with folks who have read it who are saying, \"But what about this and what about that,\" and they're challenging what's at the heart of the Christian faith.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, we've got resources in our FamilyLife Resource Center that are designed to help folks with that, whether you read \"The DaVinci Code\" or not, these are resources that would be good to have on hand if you do get engaged in a conversation with somebody who is falling into the Davinci trap.\u00a0 Campus Crusade for Christ has put together a magazine that is a 16-page full-color magazine called \"The DaVinci Code \u2013 A Companion Guide to the Movie,\" that answers questions like did Jesus really claim to be God?\u00a0 Was Jesus married to Mary Magdalene?\u00a0 And are there hidden messages in Leonardo DaVinci's art that point away from the biblical record?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0These magazines are available in packages of 10, and we're doing that so that you can order 10 of them and pass them out to friends or neighbors or folks you know who have been to see the movie.\u00a0 They're great to order and take with you to the movies and just pass out to folks who might be interested as they're coming out of the theater or if you're taking a friend to the movie with you, just pass along a copy of this magazine to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, these are available in packages of 10 in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\u00a0 Go online to FamilyLife.com and click the red \"Go\" button in the middle of the 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