{"id":301087,"date":"2006-03-31T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-03-31T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-very-first-easter\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:42:17","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:42:17","slug":"the-very-first-easter","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-very-first-easter\/","title":{"rendered":"The Very First Easter"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Biblical historian and novelist, Paul Maier, examines the first resurrection.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-03-31.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"11.4M","filesize_raw":"11957501","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2824],"tags":[4224,2357],"podcast_series":[],"cwp_profile":[9003],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301087","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-easter-and-lent","tag-easter","tag-resurrection","cwp_profile-paul-maier","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301087\/the-very-first-easter","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301087\/the-very-first-easter","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"dZ2u0RYi1q\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-very-first-easter\/\">The Very First Easter<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-very-first-easter\/embed\/#?secret=dZ2u0RYi1q\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Very First Easter&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"dZ2u0RYi1q\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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people and personalities and locations in totally secular sources.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Friday, March 31st.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll talk today about the very first Easter and how you can share that story with your children.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 You know, over the last more than a decade now, there have been tens of thousands of families who, every year at Eastertime, get out their set of Resurrection Eggs, a dozen plastic eggs that tell the story of Jesus's last days on earth in chronological order.\u00a0 They've used that tool to share that story with children and to remind themselves of all that took place from the triumphal entry until the empty tomb.\u00a0 And today we wanted to take a fresh look at that story and have our listeners join us with that, and we've got a college history professor who is here with us to help us take a good historical look at Jesus's death, His burial, and His resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, I want to tell you, you're in for a real treat as a listener today.\u00a0 Dr. Paul Maier joins us on the broadcast.\u00a0 Paul, welcome back to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Great to be back, Dennis, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, Paul was mentioning, Bob, before you came in the studio just a few moments ago, he said, \"I didn't realize that FamilyLife Today was heard by so many listeners.\"\u00a0 And I said, \"Yeah, it caused some problems there at the school where you teach, Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo, Michigan.\"\u00a0 I warned them in the broadcast, I said you better tell the heads of that school to start building an additional history department, because we're going to send a bunch of students your way after they find out who is teaching there and the gifts that this man possesses.\u00a0 And you know what he said?\u00a0 He said they built 10 new buildings there, Bob, because of our broadcast \u2013 just to house the students that are attending.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All I know is that the lines for early registration were backed up down the sidewalk, all of them wanting into Paul Maier's history classes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0He is the professor of ancient history and the campus chaplain to the students at Western Michigan University, and there is nothing ancient about Paul.\u00a0 He is a relevant teacher.\u00a0 In fact, I told him just a few moments ago, I wish I'd had him as a teacher \u2013 I might have majored in history.\u00a0 I mean \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You might have passed history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0How did you know that?\u00a0 I didn't know you knew that.\u00a0 He has written a book, though, that's going to, I think, really encourage you today and give you a tool to impact your children and your legacy as grandchildren.\u00a0 It's called \"The Very First Easter,\" and, Paul, you've written several books.\u00a0 In fact, you wrote one about Christmas that won the Gold Medallion back in the summer of 1999.\u00a0 How is this book different from other books, as you study the subject of Easter?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0So many Easter books, Dennis, concentrate on rabbits, chocolate rabbits, jelly beans, things like that, which are symbols of spring and nature coming back to life and this sort of thing, and it's really a shame that the central reason for Easter, even with such a pagan name.\u00a0 Easter itself is not in the Bible, obviously.\u00a0 It's the old name for the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, Ostara.\u00a0 And so I wanted to get back to the original focus \u2013 what happened during that famous Holy Week, and, of course, the book covers not just the Easter event itself, but the days from Palm Sunday on that lead up to the tremendous triumph over death.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You mentioned the tie to paganism \u2013 you're aware there are some who believe that even the use of the word \"Easter\" is something that we should shy away from as Christians \u2013 that we ought to call it \"Resurrection Sunday,\" and that we ought to divest ourselves of any of the pagan trappings of Easter.\u00a0 What are your thoughts about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Well, I'm not a purist in that sense.\u00a0 I think Easter, despite its origin, has a very, very religious connotation from childhood on to celebrate the Easter event.\u00a0 And so what we've done is loaded into that pagan title all kinds of religious dimensions, which I think are very appropriate.\u00a0 So I think it's being a little bit too stringent to say we shouldn't us the term \"Easter\" anymore.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You've written this book for young children \u2013 exactly what age span would benefit from this book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Generally, elementary age, four or five to 12 is the group we're trying to get to, because they're so very impressionable at that age, and I think it was very important to get a capsulized version of what happened during that week that changed the world for the kiddos at that point \u2013 almost an impossible task within 34 pages or so to summarize this enormously important event in all of our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0When you wrote \"The Very First Christmas,\" one of your objectives for that was to de-mythologize Christmas.\u00a0 We have a lot of preconceptions about Christmas that really aren't rooted in history or in what the Bible teaches.\u00a0 Is Easter the same?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Well, I don't intentionally try to change the accepted facts of history, no, never.\u00a0 What we want to do when we get back to the facts of history, the facts of the past, is to show that very often our interpretations of these may have been wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0For example, I'll give you a famous one \u2013 how could people on Palm Sunday, who were crying \"Hosanna\" to the son of David, yell \"Crucify\" on Good Friday?\u00a0 Now, back in Sunday school when I asked my teacher that, she said, \"Well, people changed their minds.\"\u00a0 Well, okay, it satisfied me for a time, then I went to theological seminary later on and asked the same question, and the professor looks out into the woods, and he says, \"Well, people changed their minds.\"\u00a0 We hadn't changed the interpretation.\u00a0 And I really \u2013 I'm convinced the Jesus, during Holy Week, was actually gaining in popularity, not losing popularity because of, first of all, de-commercializing the temple on Monday and, of course, that's going to win the favor of all the Passover pilgrims.\u00a0 The shopkeepers and the bankers don't like that too much, but \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0They saw the hypocrisy of what was taking place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Exactly, exactly, and then on Tuesday and Wednesday we have what we call the \"press conferences of Jesus of Nazareth,\" you know, when the press sets upon Him, in this case, scribes, Pharisees, His opponents, and He answers all these wild questions they throw at him beautifully.\u00a0 So there, instead of discrediting Jesus, He's gaining more and more favor.\u00a0 And then He's got one chance to blow it, that's Thursday.\u00a0 But it's a quiet day, He doesn't go down to Jerusalem that day, He stays in Bethany.\u00a0 And so when does He lose His popularity?\u00a0 The answer is it's probably not the same group of people.\u00a0 And I think, as Christians, we often overlook the people who stayed loyal to Jesus from Sunday through Friday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The Passover pilgrims had no reason to turn against Him, and I can prove that, I think, by the most overlooked verse in the Bible, Luke 23:27.\u00a0 Jesus, dragging the cross to Calvary, and a great multitude of Jewish men and women were weeping, as Jesus dragged that cross.\u00a0 And I think the Christian church has forgotten about the weeping men and women who never turned against Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Let's go back to the first of the week on Palm Sunday \u2013 where do we get that concept of Palm Sunday?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Because of the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem, the crowds by the sidelines are waving branches of trees, as a matter of fact, it doesn't say palms, isn't that interesting?\u00a0 They assume it's palms, though, because there are so many palm trees around there.\u00a0 But it was a very public announcement by Jesus; that His great time had come.\u00a0 He didn't slip into Jerusalem as He might have, unobtrusively among the other 250,000 pilgrims.\u00a0 He came publicly.\u00a0 This is a demonstration.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Not that He wanted the adulation and praise, but it was His way of saying, \"Now we're going to fulfill God's plan of salvation, and everybody better realize it.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, the Passover meal is always highlighted as you talk about the Passion Week and Christ leading that.\u00a0 What are our major misconceptions about the Passover meal, and what's the truth about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Well, I suppose the most major misconception is that they all sat on one side of a very long banquet table \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And posed for the picture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Leonardo da Vinci's famous painting, so it probably would have looked somewhat different against that background.\u00a0 Another, I think, is that we have only the 12 there \u2013 or 13.\u00a0 There may have been others as well, perhaps some women that aren't mentioned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Why do you say that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Certainly the servants \u2013 well, because it would be typical for Jewish families to celebrate on occasions like that.\u00a0 This is a very familial-centered celebration, and when the youngest child is involved, why is this night different from all other nights and so on.\u00a0 I'm not trying to say it was a big delegation; we don't know.\u00a0 There may have been only 12 or 13.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Did they have a table, Paul?\u00a0 How did they recline at that table?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0They didn't recline as much as the Romans did.\u00a0 They would certainly have had that.\u00a0 They would have had their dinner of bitter herbs and roast lamb, of course, in commemoration of the great Passover escape from Egypt, and this was an annual celebration.\u00a0 It's the reason I've always said God loves anniversaries, He really does, because it gives His people with the bad memories a chance to stop in their tracks and turn around and realize where they've come from \u2013 the heritage \u2013 one of the reasons I went into history, because you don't really fully appreciate the present until you understand the past.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0We go from the Upper Room to the Garden of Gethsemane, and you pointed out something in your book here that I thought was fascinating \u2013 when the disciples went to sleep.\u00a0 I mean, they didn't hang in there all night.\u00a0 They still hadn't caught the picture of how important this was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0What would you say to a young child if they asked you, \"Grandpa, why did the disciples go to sleep at such an important moment in Jesus's life?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Exactly what I have Christopher asking, you know, \"I would have stayed awake if I'd been there.\"\u00a0 Well, you have to remember the day was designed differently in those days.\u00a0 Everybody was up with light, and they went to bed shortly after dusk.\u00a0 There was no artificial illumination, and so this was 10:00 at night \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, now, they did have little lamps.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0They had lamps, but you're not going to be able to do much with a lamp other than try to find your way in the darkness, if you have to be out in the darkness.\u00a0 Now, remember, they're up before dawn, and they're in bed shortly after dusk.\u00a0 So 10 p.m. by our clock would have been like 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. for them.\u00a0 So according to their natural sleep habits, this would have been very late.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Jesus is off by Himself praying, they're waiting in a darkened garden, it's 2:30, 3:00 a.m. by our time, they're going to fall asleep.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Jesus was probably awake the whole night because He went from the garden straight to a trial with \u2013 he was taken to Pilate first then to Herod then back to Pilate, is that how \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0No, the order was probably first to Annis, the former chief priest, then to Caiaphas \u2013 these were night hearings, not a formal trial simply because you could not hold a capital case at night.\u00a0 So these were two prior hearings in which they decided on the death penalty, but it couldn't be ratified until the next morning.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0How did they pull that off?\u00a0 That had to be kind of a rigged deal to pull that off in the middle of the night, didn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0It certainly was rigged, I think there is very little question about it.\u00a0 They'd been wondering how to get Jesus this whole week, especially after the demonstration on Sunday.\u00a0 This had regal implications; this was a political insurrection that could be developing.\u00a0 That would bring on the Romans who would destroy the city and the temple \u2013 that's what they're worried about.\u00a0 And so how are they going to get Jesus?\u00a0 Their one attempt to trap Him in His talk was boomeranged negatively on them.\u00a0 It didn't work.\u00a0 So now they have an informer.\u00a0 So when they sent Judas out, and when he came back with his report, to be sure, they had sent out an e-mail to all members of the senate, so to speak, to show up quickly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Really?\u00a0 How did Judas know where Jesus was?\u00a0 Do you have any idea on that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0It was typical for them to gather at that spot at the base of the Mount of Olives where there was this famous oil press grove \u2013 that's what \"Gethsemane\" means.\u00a0 They were always there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Paul, the heart of the Easter message comes on Sunday when the tomb is found empty, and throughout history there have been lots of people who have tried to explain away the Resurrection.\u00a0 There have been swoon theories, stolen body theories \u2013 is there any legitimacy to any of those attempted explanations?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0The only naturalistic explanation that I think would have cut any ice in the ancient world would have been the stolen body theory, because if it were the wrong tomb theory, my goodness, they would have simply then gone to the right tomb.\u00a0 Swooning and the \"Jesus never died\" idea \u2013 that is going to have no converting power whatever when this decrepit person comes out, just getting over his terrible injuries \u2013 that's going to have no converting power whatever.\u00a0 The stolen body theory would be very appropriate today, I think, if you had the mission impossible squad there, you know, and so forth.\u00a0 They could have spirited \u2013 the old TV show \u2013 they could have gotten away with the body.\u00a0 But the problem is, who plays Peter Graves?\u00a0 It's not Simon Peter, obviously.\u00a0 The disciples do not have the motive for doing this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, they weren't faithful before He died.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Why would they have been faithful after He died and then, Paul, why would they die for a lie?\u00a0 If you start sawing me in half, boiling me in a pot of oil, I'd say, \"Hey, guys\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\"I was just making that whole thing up.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Yeah, exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let me tell you where the body is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0The same illustration I use, and even before that, just for the sake of the discussion, give the Jesus seminar and others who oppose the New Testament account their moment.\u00a0 Here is the naturalistic explanation of how it all began.\u00a0 Jesus died on Friday, couldn't possibly come back to life on Sunday and, therefore, some weeks after the first Easter, they're up in Galilee, and Peter gathers the disciples together, and he says, \"Well, fellas, we kind of blew it, you know, what do you want to do?\u00a0 Go back to fishing?\u00a0 Hey, I got an idea, you know, follow these plans and someday they'll name churches after us.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so they get this big gig going, see, and where it would have ended would have been in a Roman arena.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Peter was about to be hoisted on the cross, and he blows his whistle, says, \"Okay, time out, that's it.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\"Game's over.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0It was a [unintelligible] while it lasted, \"Hey, let's plea bargain.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0\"I'll tell you how we did it, you know, if I get off with my life.\"\u00a0 Myths do not make martyrs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right, and cowards don't become martyrs, either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0No, no, no.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I mean, who did Peter deny Christ in front of only a few days earlier \u2013 a servant girl, a slave girl.\u00a0 And yet later on we find him proclaiming Christ in front of thousands, calling them to repent and believe in the Resurrected Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0The personality transformation of the apostles remains almost a categorical, airtight proof for what happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let me ask you a question as a historian.\u00a0 There are listeners right now who struggle with their own doubts.\u00a0 In fact, some of them have heard me use the quote by the late Tom Skinner.\u00a0 I'm going to give it right now, because it's going to have to do with the question I'm going to give you in a second.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTom Skinner said this, he said, \"I spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts when suddenly I realized I'd better come to grips with what I believe.\u00a0 I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape, and it's a great relief.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, Paul, you are a human being, you're not just a history professor.\u00a0 You've undoubtedly had doubts about the Christian message; you've wondered if God is there; you've wondered if Jesus really came and did what He said He did at points in your humanity, but as an Ancient History professor, one who has studied for, what, 40 years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0True.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Forty years \u2013 how certain are you of this historical fact of the Resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Fascinating question, Dennis.\u00a0 I really stake my professional life somewhat in answer to this question, because I was so intrigued as to whether or not there were ways of checking up on the scriptural account, because I went through my doubt phase also, and that's the reason I went back into ancient history.\u00a0 As I get older, of course, the students are changing the name.\u00a0 I'm no longer professor of ancient history but ancient professor of history.\u00a0 It works in any case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0That's the reason I went into it.\u00a0 I wanted to check out the scriptural record in its context in the first century.\u00a0 Were there \u2013 if these enormously important events did happen, shouldn't there be fallout somewhere on the secular sources?\u00a0 Shouldn't there be other evidence?\u00a0 And that's when I uncovered a pile of evidence from the ancient world, sometimes involving the very episodes that you find in the New Testament, sometimes involving the same people and personalities and locations in totally secular sources.\u00a0 And I find that there were so many points of tangency, so many bridges to be built, that this has enormous credibility, it really does.\u00a0 And so, yes, I firmly believe that the traditional version of what happened on Sunday morning after Jesus was crucified on Friday was, indeed, true.\u00a0 And I have never seen any evidence that really, from the first century, contradicts that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I think I want to come back to this, because the certainty with which Paul speaks is the certainty that every listener needs to sense right now in their relationship with God.\u00a0 That sunset that declares the glory of God is magnificent, and it's good to have general revelation.\u00a0 It's good to look in creation and see God's handiwork, His magnificence, but nothing, nothing is as powerful as the empty tomb.\u00a0 Because if the tomb is not empty, if Jesus is still dead, if He didn't defeat death, you and I are in our sins.\u00a0 We have no forgiveness, we have no hope of eternal life, and we have no hope of seeing our loved ones beyond the grave.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of Christianity rests upon the story of the Resurrection and the reality of Christ being alive and, frankly, that's why it's so important, Bob, that we, as parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles, pass on the factual truths of the Resurrection to the next generation of youngsters.\u00a0 And Paul's book here, \"The Very First Easter,\" does a wonderful job of doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yes, it's really a great companion that can be used together with a set of the Resurrection Eggs that we have here at FamilyLife.\u00a0 You can read through Paul's book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and children can see the pictures in the book, and then you can pull out the Resurrection Eggs and as you open each egg and find a donkey or a crown of thorns or a nail or a stone or any of the other symbols that are found in these eggs, it can help children understand the story in a different way.\u00a0 And by the time you're done reading the book and going through the Resurrection Eggs, you'd be amazed at how a three-year-old or a four-year-old or a five-year-old can remember the story \u2013 how a 10, 11, and 12-year-old can get it, too.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, of course, we've got these resources in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\u00a0 You can go to our website at FamilyLife.com and click where it says \"Go.\"\u00a0 There's a red \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen.\u00a0 You click on that, and it will take you to a page where you can find out more about Paul's book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and the Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 By the way, these resources are also available in many Christian bookstores all across the country.\u00a0 I know Family Christian Stores has both the Resurrection Eggs and the book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and if that's more convenient for you to get it from your local Christian bookstore, you can certainly do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Those of you who order both the book and the eggs through our website at FamilyLife.com, we're going to send along to you as well the Resurrection Eggs activity book that gives you lots of ideas for how you can use this tool in a variety of settings with your children, with other children, great ideas for crafts and games and activities.\u00a0 We'll send that at no additional cost when you order Paul Maier's book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and a set of Resurrection Eggs from us here at FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, go online at FamilyLife.com for more information or call 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, and we can have someone on our team let you know how you can get these resources sent directly to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Then, of course, with Easter coming up, I know there are many families who, every year, watch the Jesus movie as a family tradition around the Easter season.\u00a0 It has just recently been digitally remastered on DVD and along with the movie, they've included a separate production called \"The Story of Jesus for Children.\"\u00a0 It's for younger children, and it tells the story of Jesus through the eyes of children of His day.\u00a0 The two movies are available on a single DVD, and because of DVD technology, there are also multiple languages available on this single DVD.\u00a0 I know there is a Spanish track and a German track and an Arabic track and Korean and Vietnamese and between now and Easter, we want to say thank you to any of you who would support the ministry of FamilyLife Today with a donation of any amount by sending you a copy of this DVD for your family to use.\u00a0 You can pass it on as a gift to another family you know, if you'd like.\u00a0 This is our way of saying thank you for helping to support the ministry of FamilyLife Today as we seek to provide practical biblical help for marriages and for families each day here on our program.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can request this DVD when you make a donation online.\u00a0 As you fill out the form, you'll find a keycode box, and you just type the word \"Jesus\" in there, and we'll know to send you the DVD or call 1-800-FLTODAY and just mention, as you make your donation over the phone, that you'd like a copy of the Jesus DVD, and we'll have that sent to you as well.\u00a0 Again, it's our way of saying thank you for partnering with us financially here at FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, I hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 I hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we're going to take a hard look at a subject that is difficult for many marriages, many families, and that is the issue of depression.\u00a0 Ed Welch and Leslie Vernick are going to join us to have a discussion about dealing with depression, and I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob 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historian and novelist, Paul Maier, examines the first resurrection.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2006-03-31.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0If these enormously important events did happen, shouldn't there be fallout somewhere in the secular sources?\u00a0 Shouldn't there be other evidence?\u00a0 And that's when I uncovered a pile of evidence from the ancient world sometimes involving the very episodes that you find in the New Testament, sometimes involving the same people and personalities and locations in totally secular sources.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Friday, March 31st.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll talk today about the very first Easter and how you can share that story with your children.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 You know, over the last more than a decade now, there have been tens of thousands of families who, every year at Eastertime, get out their set of Resurrection Eggs, a dozen plastic eggs that tell the story of Jesus's last days on earth in chronological order.\u00a0 They've used that tool to share that story with children and to remind themselves of all that took place from the triumphal entry until the empty tomb.\u00a0 And today we wanted to take a fresh look at that story and have our listeners join us with that, and we've got a college history professor who is here with us to help us take a good historical look at Jesus's death, His burial, and His resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, I want to tell you, you're in for a real treat as a listener today.\u00a0 Dr. Paul Maier joins us on the broadcast.\u00a0 Paul, welcome back to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Great to be back, Dennis, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, Paul was mentioning, Bob, before you came in the studio just a few moments ago, he said, \"I didn't realize that FamilyLife Today was heard by so many listeners.\"\u00a0 And I said, \"Yeah, it caused some problems there at the school where you teach, Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo, Michigan.\"\u00a0 I warned them in the broadcast, I said you better tell the heads of that school to start building an additional history department, because we're going to send a bunch of students your way after they find out who is teaching there and the gifts that this man possesses.\u00a0 And you know what he said?\u00a0 He said they built 10 new buildings there, Bob, because of our broadcast \u2013 just to house the students that are attending.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All I know is that the lines for early registration were backed up down the sidewalk, all of them wanting into Paul Maier's history classes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0He is the professor of ancient history and the campus chaplain to the students at Western Michigan University, and there is nothing ancient about Paul.\u00a0 He is a relevant teacher.\u00a0 In fact, I told him just a few moments ago, I wish I'd had him as a teacher \u2013 I might have majored in history.\u00a0 I mean \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You might have passed history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0How did you know that?\u00a0 I didn't know you knew that.\u00a0 He has written a book, though, that's going to, I think, really encourage you today and give you a tool to impact your children and your legacy as grandchildren.\u00a0 It's called \"The Very First Easter,\" and, Paul, you've written several books.\u00a0 In fact, you wrote one about Christmas that won the Gold Medallion back in the summer of 1999.\u00a0 How is this book different from other books, as you study the subject of Easter?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0So many Easter books, Dennis, concentrate on rabbits, chocolate rabbits, jelly beans, things like that, which are symbols of spring and nature coming back to life and this sort of thing, and it's really a shame that the central reason for Easter, even with such a pagan name.\u00a0 Easter itself is not in the Bible, obviously.\u00a0 It's the old name for the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, Ostara.\u00a0 And so I wanted to get back to the original focus \u2013 what happened during that famous Holy Week, and, of course, the book covers not just the Easter event itself, but the days from Palm Sunday on that lead up to the tremendous triumph over death.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0You mentioned the tie to paganism \u2013 you're aware there are some who believe that even the use of the word \"Easter\" is something that we should shy away from as Christians \u2013 that we ought to call it \"Resurrection Sunday,\" and that we ought to divest ourselves of any of the pagan trappings of Easter.\u00a0 What are your thoughts about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Well, I'm not a purist in that sense.\u00a0 I think Easter, despite its origin, has a very, very religious connotation from childhood on to celebrate the Easter event.\u00a0 And so what we've done is loaded into that pagan title all kinds of religious dimensions, which I think are very appropriate.\u00a0 So I think it's being a little bit too stringent to say we shouldn't us the term \"Easter\" anymore.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You've written this book for young children \u2013 exactly what age span would benefit from this book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Generally, elementary age, four or five to 12 is the group we're trying to get to, because they're so very impressionable at that age, and I think it was very important to get a capsulized version of what 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Now, back in Sunday school when I asked my teacher that, she said, \"Well, people changed their minds.\"\u00a0 Well, okay, it satisfied me for a time, then I went to theological seminary later on and asked the same question, and the professor looks out into the woods, and he says, \"Well, people changed their minds.\"\u00a0 We hadn't changed the interpretation.\u00a0 And I really \u2013 I'm convinced the Jesus, during Holy Week, was actually gaining in popularity, not losing popularity because of, first of all, de-commercializing the temple on Monday and, of course, that's going to win the favor of all the Passover pilgrims.\u00a0 The shopkeepers and the bankers don't like that too much, but \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0They saw the hypocrisy of what was taking place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Exactly, exactly, and then on Tuesday and Wednesday we have what we call the \"press conferences of Jesus of Nazareth,\" you know, when the press sets upon Him, in this case, scribes, Pharisees, His opponents, and He answers all these wild questions they throw at him beautifully.\u00a0 So there, instead of discrediting Jesus, He's gaining more and more favor.\u00a0 And then He's got one chance to blow it, that's Thursday.\u00a0 But it's a quiet day, He doesn't go down to Jerusalem that day, He stays in Bethany.\u00a0 And so when does He lose His popularity?\u00a0 The answer is it's probably not the same group of people.\u00a0 And I think, as Christians, we often overlook the people who stayed loyal to Jesus from Sunday through Friday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The Passover pilgrims had no reason to turn against Him, and I can prove that, I think, by the most overlooked verse in the Bible, Luke 23:27.\u00a0 Jesus, dragging the cross to Calvary, and a great multitude of Jewish men and women were weeping, as Jesus dragged that cross.\u00a0 And I think the Christian church has forgotten about the weeping men and women who 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attempt to trap Him in His talk was boomeranged negatively on them.\u00a0 It didn't work.\u00a0 So now they have an informer.\u00a0 So when they sent Judas out, and when he came back with his report, to be sure, they had sent out an e-mail to all members of the senate, so to speak, to show up quickly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Really?\u00a0 How did Judas know where Jesus was?\u00a0 Do you have any idea on that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0It was typical for them to gather at that spot at the base of the Mount of Olives where there was this famous oil press grove \u2013 that's what \"Gethsemane\" means.\u00a0 They were always there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Paul, the heart of the Easter message comes on Sunday when the tomb is found empty, and throughout history there have been lots of people who have tried to explain away the Resurrection.\u00a0 There have been swoon theories, stolen body theories \u2013 is there any legitimacy to any of those attempted explanations?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0The only naturalistic explanation that I think would have cut any ice in the ancient world would have been the stolen body theory, because if it were the wrong tomb theory, my goodness, they would have simply then gone to the right tomb.\u00a0 Swooning and the \"Jesus never died\" idea \u2013 that is going to have no converting power whatever when this decrepit person comes out, just getting over his terrible injuries \u2013 that's going to have no converting power whatever.\u00a0 The stolen body theory would be very appropriate today, I think, if you had the mission impossible squad there, you know, and so forth.\u00a0 They could have spirited \u2013 the old TV show \u2013 they could have gotten away with the body.\u00a0 But the problem is, who plays Peter Graves?\u00a0 It's not Simon Peter, obviously.\u00a0 The disciples do not have the motive for doing this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Well, they weren't faithful before He died.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Why would they have been faithful after He died and then, Paul, why would they die for a lie?\u00a0 If you start sawing me in half, boiling me in a pot of oil, I'd say, \"Hey, guys\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\"I was just making that whole thing up.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Yeah, exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let me tell you where the body is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0The same illustration I use, and even before that, just for the sake of the discussion, give the Jesus seminar and others who oppose the New Testament account their moment.\u00a0 Here is the naturalistic explanation of how it all began.\u00a0 Jesus died on Friday, couldn't possibly come back to life on Sunday and, therefore, some weeks after the first Easter, they're up in Galilee, and Peter gathers the disciples together, and he says, \"Well, fellas, we kind of blew it, you know, what do you want to do?\u00a0 Go back to fishing?\u00a0 Hey, I got an idea, you know, follow these plans and someday they'll name churches after us.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so they get this big gig going, see, and where it would have ended would have been in a Roman arena.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Peter was about to be hoisted on the cross, and he blows his whistle, says, \"Okay, time out, that's it.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0\"Game's over.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0It was a [unintelligible] while it lasted, \"Hey, let's plea bargain.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0\"I'll tell you how we did it, you know, if I get off with my life.\"\u00a0 Myths do not make martyrs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Right, and cowards don't become martyrs, either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0No, no, no.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I mean, who did Peter deny Christ in front of only a few days earlier \u2013 a servant girl, a slave girl.\u00a0 And yet later on we find him proclaiming Christ in front of thousands, calling them to repent and believe in the Resurrected Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0The personality transformation of the apostles remains almost a categorical, airtight proof for what happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let me ask you a question as a historian.\u00a0 There are listeners right now who struggle with their own doubts.\u00a0 In fact, some of them have heard me use the quote by the late Tom Skinner.\u00a0 I'm going to give it right now, because it's going to have to do with the question I'm going to give you in a second.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTom Skinner said this, he said, \"I spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts when suddenly I realized I'd better come to grips with what I believe.\u00a0 I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape, and it's a great relief.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, Paul, you are a human being, you're not just a history professor.\u00a0 You've undoubtedly had doubts about the Christian message; you've wondered if God is there; you've wondered if Jesus really came and did what He said He did at points in your humanity, but as an Ancient History professor, one who has studied for, what, 40 years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0True.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Forty years \u2013 how certain are you of this historical fact of the Resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul:\u00a0Fascinating question, Dennis.\u00a0 I really stake my professional life somewhat in answer to this question, because I was so intrigued as to whether or not there were ways of checking up on the scriptural account, because I went through my doubt phase also, and that's the reason I went back into ancient history.\u00a0 As I get older, of course, the students are changing the name.\u00a0 I'm no longer professor of ancient history but ancient professor of history.\u00a0 It works in any case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0That's the reason I went into it.\u00a0 I wanted to check out the scriptural record in its context in the first century.\u00a0 Were there \u2013 if these enormously important events did happen, shouldn't there be fallout somewhere on the secular sources?\u00a0 Shouldn't there be other evidence?\u00a0 And that's when I uncovered a pile of evidence from the ancient world, sometimes involving the very episodes that you find in the New Testament, sometimes involving the same people and personalities and locations in totally secular sources.\u00a0 And I find that there were so many points of tangency, so many bridges to be built, that this has enormous credibility, it really does.\u00a0 And so, yes, I firmly believe that the traditional version of what happened on Sunday morning after Jesus was crucified on Friday was, indeed, true.\u00a0 And I have never seen any evidence that really, from the first century, contradicts that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I think I want to come back to this, because the certainty with which Paul speaks is the certainty that every listener needs to sense right now in their relationship with God.\u00a0 That sunset that declares the glory of God is magnificent, and it's good to have general revelation.\u00a0 It's good to look in creation and see God's handiwork, His magnificence, but nothing, nothing is as powerful as the empty tomb.\u00a0 Because if the tomb is not empty, if Jesus is still dead, if He didn't defeat death, you and I are in our sins.\u00a0 We have no forgiveness, we have no hope of eternal life, and we have no hope of seeing our loved ones beyond the grave.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of Christianity rests upon the story of the Resurrection and the reality of Christ being alive and, frankly, that's why it's so important, Bob, that we, as parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles, pass on the factual truths of the Resurrection to the next generation of youngsters.\u00a0 And Paul's book here, \"The Very First Easter,\" does a wonderful job of doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yes, it's really a great companion that can be used together with a set of the Resurrection Eggs that we have here at FamilyLife.\u00a0 You can read through Paul's book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and children can see the pictures in the book, and then you can pull out the Resurrection Eggs and as you open each egg and find a donkey or a crown of thorns or a nail or a stone or any of the other symbols that are found in these eggs, it can help children understand the story in a different way.\u00a0 And by the time you're done reading the book and going through the Resurrection Eggs, you'd be amazed at how a three-year-old or a four-year-old or a five-year-old can remember the story \u2013 how a 10, 11, and 12-year-old can get it, too.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And, of course, we've got these resources in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\u00a0 You can go to our website at FamilyLife.com and click where it says \"Go.\"\u00a0 There's a red \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen.\u00a0 You click on that, and it will take you to a page where you can find out more about Paul's book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and the Resurrection Eggs.\u00a0 By the way, these resources are also available in many Christian bookstores all across the country.\u00a0 I know Family Christian Stores has both the Resurrection Eggs and the book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and if that's more convenient for you to get it from your local Christian bookstore, you can certainly do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Those of you who order both the book and the eggs through our website at FamilyLife.com, we're going to send along to you as well the Resurrection Eggs activity book that gives you lots of ideas for how you can use this tool in a variety of settings with your children, with other children, great ideas for crafts and games and activities.\u00a0 We'll send that at no additional cost when you order Paul Maier's book, \"The Very First Easter,\" and a set of Resurrection Eggs from us here at FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, go online at FamilyLife.com for more information or call 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 That's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, and we can have someone on our team let you know how you can get these resources sent directly to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Then, of course, with Easter coming up, I know there are many families who, every year, watch the Jesus movie as a family tradition around the Easter season.\u00a0 It has just recently been digitally remastered on DVD and along with the movie, they've included a separate production called \"The Story of Jesus for Children.\"\u00a0 It's for younger children, and it tells the story of Jesus through the eyes of children of His day.\u00a0 The two movies are available on a single DVD, and because of DVD technology, there are also multiple languages available on this single DVD.\u00a0 I know there is a Spanish track and a German track and an Arabic track and Korean and Vietnamese and between now and Easter, we want to say thank you to any of you who would support the ministry of FamilyLife Today with a donation of any amount by sending you a copy of this DVD for your family to use.\u00a0 You can pass it on as a gift to another family you know, if you'd like.\u00a0 This is our way of saying thank you for helping to support the ministry of FamilyLife Today as we seek to provide practical biblical help for marriages and for families each day here on our program.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can request this DVD when you make a donation online.\u00a0 As you fill out the form, you'll find a keycode box, and you just type the word \"Jesus\" in there, and we'll know to send you the DVD or call 1-800-FLTODAY and just mention, as you make your donation over the phone, that you'd like a copy of the Jesus DVD, and we'll have that sent to you as well.\u00a0 Again, it's our way of saying thank you for partnering with us financially here at FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, I hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 I hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we're going to take a hard look at a subject that is difficult for many marriages, many families, and that is the issue of depression.\u00a0 Ed Welch and Leslie Vernick are going to join us to have a discussion about dealing with depression, and I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Have a great weekend, and we'll see you Monday for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to transcribe, create, and produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you 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