{"id":300461,"date":"2018-11-19T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-11-19T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/glorious-god-glorious-gospel\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:39","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:39","slug":"glorious-god-glorious-gospel","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/glorious-god-glorious-gospel\/","title":{"rendered":"Glorious God, Glorious Gospel"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: David and Sally Michael | Pastor David Michael and his wife, Sally, co-founders of Truth78, have a strong passion to see parents discipling their children in the faith. Although children are often taught the main Bible stories about Noah, Samson, Jonah, and the like, which capture children&#8217;s imaginations, the Michaels find that the main character of the story, God, is often overlooked. 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Sally Michael says, \u201cThat ought to be a parent\u2019s priority.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I remember my youngest daughter\u2014she was four at the time\u2014and we were reading through a Bible storybook with her. I would just pepper her with questions: Why did this happen?\u201d and \u201cWhat do you think God was doing here?\u201d\u2014I mean, just constant questions. One day, she said, \u201cOoh, your questions are <em>so<\/em> hard.\u201d I said: \u201cThat\u2019s because I want you, when you go to the Word, to think about what it\u2019s saying, and who God is, and what it means for your life. I want you to learn to interact with the Bible and <em>think<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, November 19<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. How <em>do<\/em> we raise children, who are not just Bible readers, but Bible explorers? We\u2019re going to talk about that today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Back\u2014this was many years ago\u2014we surveyed a bunch of people. I think it was more than 70,000 people that we surveyed in churches all across the country. I remember one of the questions we asked was, \u201cIf you wanted help in parenting, what would be the issues that you would like help with?\u201d We thought\u2014sibling rivalry, disciplining your kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014allowances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; we thought it was going to be all those kinds of issues, but you remember what the number one issue was; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I do\u2014spiritual life in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; \u201cHow do we help our kids understand the gospel, and respond to the gospel, and grow in their faith?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Recently, Barbara and I got away on a vacation. One of the things we were talking and praying about is what the couple who join us today have already done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe concept is found in Psalm 78, where it talks about a generational relay race that every follower of Christ needs to run and needs to know how to make a good handoff to the next generation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the reason that the organization that this couple is a part of is called Truth:78\u2014because of that Psalm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right. David and Sally Michael join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. David\/Sally, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Our pleasure to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>David and Sally hale from Indianapolis, Indiana\u2014David\u2019s a pastor there. Sally is, really, one of the founders of Truth:78. She is the co-author, along with Jill Nelson, of a family devotional called <em>Glorious God, Glorious Gospel<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI guess I want to ask you, Sally: \u201cWhere did this passion for making this handoff in this relay race come from in your heart? How did that occur?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I did not grow up in a Christian home. I was saved at 12. My parents didn\u2019t know the Bible themselves, so they couldn\u2019t spiritually nurture me; but they did send me to Christian schools, which was a huge blessing in my life. When I had children, I wanted to make sure that they knew the Word of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had taught Bible clubs before. We would always get <em>frustrated<\/em> with the material; because it was teaching good morals \/ it was teaching man-centered theology, I would say. We would keep having to change the material to teach it. We would just get so <em>frustrated<\/em> with it; because we really wanted our children and other children to really <em>know<\/em> the God of the Bible\u2014<em>not<\/em> the men of the Bible\u2014and not a God, who was very limited and small because He only has a few attributes like love and kindness\u2014but in His full-facetted personality and character. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the Lord just kind of bred that in us. I have always had a passion, since becoming a Christian, of making sure that other children grew up with the truth that I did not grow up with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You had two daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> We had two daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is this kind of how you taught them, at that point, then? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; we would just open the Bible and read it\u2014explain it to them. We went through different books. I think both of our children made a profession of faith with Ken Taylor\u2019s, <em>The Book for Children<\/em>, because all he does is tell the Bible story; but then you can go in there and say\u2014for example, the story of Moses and being found in the river by the princess\u2014say, \u201cWho put Moses right at that right place at the right time?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>You can help your children to see that God is a God of tremendous providences. God placed him there just at the right time. You could use that book and just insert theology in it, because all he does is tell a story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> As a kid, you\u2019re intrigued by stories about a strong Samson, who could bring down the walls with his own strength, or about Jonah being in the belly of the fish, or about Daniel standing strong and brave against the enemies, and the three children in the fiery furnace\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I mean, those capture the imagination of children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, you can understand why people, who have a heart to want to share the Bible with kids\u2014they gravitate toward those stories because hearing about a lion, whose mouth is shut when you\u2019re sent into the cave\u2014that\u2019s something that kids are waking up and paying attention to; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> And everybody knows kids love stories. I think, as we were raising our children, the disconnect between what children are typically taught from the Bible and what the Bible really teaches of God\u2014that disconnect was what drove us toward this passion to\u2014out of Psalm 78 there\u2014just teach the truth to our children. We\u2019re hiding the truth by ignoring the main character of the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s a command in Psalm 78 to do two things. It is a generational handoff; but it is a command to us, as parents\u2014and, I believe, grandparents\u2014to not only pass along the <em>truth<\/em> of God\u2019s Word, but also the <em>experience<\/em> of God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in a person\u2019s life. I think there\u2019s where a lot of children aren\u2019t seeing their parents connect the dots. They may hear parents talk about the <em>truth<\/em> of God\u2019s Word but they\u2019re not hearing the parents talk about \u201cHow Jesus Christ invaded my life,\u201d and \u201cLet me tell you how He did that this afternoon.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is a danger, don\u2019t you think, of telling kids stories from the ancient writings that make it sound like: \u201cThat\u2019s back when God lived, and when He was active in people\u2019s lives,\u201d and \u201cIt doesn\u2019t fit our modern lives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo show them what the Bible says about how God has worked in the lives of men and women throughout history; but then, to tell them your <em>own story<\/em> of how God\u2019s worked in <em>your<\/em> life\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that really ties it all together; doesn\u2019t it, Sally?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; I think God is still writing a testimony in <em>our own<\/em> lives and hearts of His people. We, so often, don\u2019t share that testimony with our children. I think, even as we read the Bible, as adults\u2014so often, we just read it\u2014and we read the words and, \u201cOh, those are good truths,\u201d\u2014but to stop and say: \u201cOkay; what does this mean in my life?\u201d \u201cWhat is God saying to me?\u201d \u201cHow is He leading me?\u201d \u201cWhat do I need to change?\u201d \u201cWhat do I need to obey?\u201d \u201cIs there a promise here for me to hang on to?\u201d Then, what you have seen from the Word\u2014what the Lord is working in your heart\u2014just open your mouth and talk about it with your children. Then weave Him into all of everyday life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can say to a child; for example, who\u2019s facing a piano recital\u2014who\u2019s a little nervous about that piano recital\u2014you can say to that child: \u201cOh, you\u2019ve practiced really hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou know what to do. You feel a little nervous; but when you get up there, your fingers are going to remember. You\u2019re going to know how to play that piece.\u201d And you\u2019ve just turned that child only to her own strength. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAn alternative way\u2014that a Christian parent really should guide a child\u2014is to say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI understand that you\u2019re nervous and you\u2019re afraid, but you know what? I\u2019m going to give you a verse\u2014it\u2019s Psalm 125:1-2: [Emotion in voice] \u201cThose who trust in the Lord are like Mount Zion which cannot be shaken but endures forever. As the mountains surround Jerusalem, so the Lord surrounds His people both now and forevermore.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo you know what? You take that verse, and you walk up to that piano and you say, \u201cLord, I am in <em>Your<\/em> hands.\u201d And when you play, you play for Jesus, knowing that He is there with you\u2014He is behind you; He is in front of you; He is beside you. You put your hands in the hands of Jesus, and you play for Him. No matter how you play\u2014no matter how your piece comes out\u2014you will not be shaken; because you are <em>standing<\/em> on the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sally, you got emotional, just recalling that verse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Why is that verse so meaningful in your heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think the promises of the Bible\u2014they are so precious\u2014they are so precious, and they speak to all of our experiences in life. If we live our lives focusing on those promises, we\u2019re going to live life very differently. We\u2019re going to bring God into <em>all of life<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got, I think, the best compliment I\u2019ve ever gotten in my life this summer. We had our three grandchildren for two-and-a-half weeks <em>by themselves<\/em>, which was really wonderful; because it was such a wonderful time for us just to spiritually nurture them. My ten-year-old granddaughter said to me one day, \u201cGrandma, I think you can take any subject and turn it into a conversation about God.\u201d [Laughter] I said to her, \u201cKatie, that\u2019s because everything in life <em>is<\/em> about God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s what sometimes Christian parents don\u2019t do. You know, we\u2019re talking about being nervous at a piano recital. They don\u2019t <em>relate<\/em> that to who God is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014His constant presence with His people; His faithfulness to guide them, to be with them, to help them in their weakness. We tend to turn children into, \u201cOkay; you\u2019re strong enough yourself.\u201d They\u2019re <em>not<\/em>; they need the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got a friend, who shared a story\u2014he\u2019s a grandfather too. His teenaged grandson came to him and said, \u201cGrandpa, I\u2019m not sure I want to play basketball next year on the varsity team.\u201d His grandson, I think, was a junior in high school. The grandfather could have kind of blown that off, but you know what he said to his grandson?\u2014I thought, \u201cThis is what we\u2019re talking about here.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe looked this grandson in the eye and said: \u201cYou know what I want you to do? I want you to encounter Jesus Christ. I want you to go get, face to face, with Him and ask <em>Him<\/em> what <em>He<\/em> wants you to do,\u201d because he said: \u201cI was looking at my grandson\u2019s face, and he was troubled. He had anxiety; he was worried.\u201d He said, \u201cI couldn\u2019t put my finger on it, but I knew the One who could.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> About a week later, he got together with his grandson again and said, \u201cWhat\u2019s up?\u201d And he said: \u201cWell, I think I\u2019m going to play basketball. I think that\u2019s what <em>He<\/em> wants me to do.\u201d Those may not sound like a big deal; but when we have an encounter with Jesus Christ ourselves; and then, we can introduce our children \/ our grandchildren to have an encounter with Christ, that\u2019s passing on our faith in a <em>living<\/em> fresh way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; what we try to emphasize is God-centered orientation. When we\u2019re telling Bible stories, tell the stories in a God-centered way. It\u2019s amazing how, in a world that\u2019s very self-centered, it\u2019s a very counter-cultural approach to raise our children with the orientation that God is the center of the universe in a world that wants to tell them, \u201c<em>You<\/em> are the center of the universe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David, the ministry you give leadership to\u2014Truth:78\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s a new name for a ministry that some of our listeners may have heard of before. Tell us a little bit about the organization. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; they may have heard of Children Desiring God, which is 20 years old now. That\u2019s where we started, back when these passions were emerging. We created Children Desiring God as a way to provide God-centered resources and to make them available for the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFast-forward 20 years, after some reorganization, we needed to come up with a new name. Came up with Truth:78 mainly because Psalm 78 has been a signature text that has defined our ministry over the years and this focus on teaching what is true about God. Putting those two realities together\u2014-<em>truth<\/em> and <em>78<\/em>\u2014we\u2019re linking it to Psalm 78.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sally, this devotional is just one of the tools \/ one of the resources you\u2019re making available. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to tell you\u2014I <em>love<\/em> this devotional, and I love the work you have done. When I first saw it, my first thought was, \u201cOkay; well, Chapter 1\u2014that would take me a week, maybe longer to go through.\u201d This is not a devotional, where you sit down, and read a story, and read a verse, and then pray a prayer at the end. You\u2019re trying to creatively pull parents and kids, alike, into understanding who God is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think we\u2019re very intentional about the <em>discipleship<\/em> of children\u2014I think the word, discipleship, is really important\u2014where we are making disciples. I think, so often, Christian parents <em>tell<\/em> children what to believe. What you want to do is\u2014you want to train them to look at the Word themselves, and understand for themselves, and interact with the Word of God so that it becomes their own\u2014it\u2019s personal for them. We\u2019re really pushing parents to interact around the Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re hoping that\u2014as they use the guide to interact, ask questions of the text, ask questions to apply\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014they will, then, learn to do that in all of life. We start with the mind\u2014and we give them text to interact with and content to interact with\u2014but we don\u2019t want to stop with the mind. We want to go to the heart; so then, we start with application questions: \u201cWhat does this mean in your life?\u201d \u201cIs there a promise for you?\u201d \u201cWhat is God saying to you in this passage?\u201d or \u201cHow can you apply this to your life?\u201d Then, move to the will, which is where obedience comes in: \u201cOkay; what steps are you going to <em>take<\/em> in response to what you have heard and what you have learned?\u201d We really do want to start dialogues\u2014spiritual dialogue between parent and child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> One of the things we emphasize is just the importance of Christian parents teaching their children to <em>think<\/em>. Rather than just giving them something to believe, we want them to understand <em>why<\/em> they believe what they believe. I\u2019ve actually learned this from Sally\u2014that one of the most effective tools for helping a child think is by asking questions and interacting with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why a devotional that just lays out the information\u2014the child hears\u2014but have they really thought and taken that truth and made the application? The interactive dimension of this is really important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In Session 1, one of the things you point out is that there are more than 3,000 verses in the Bible, where God reveals something about Himself to us\u20143,000 verses, where He discloses who He is. Then you say, \u201cWhat does that tell us about God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just thinking\u2014that observation and that question at a dinner table could be all it takes for that evening for you to engage around: \u201cWell, this is a God who wants to be known. That\u2019s why He\u2019s telling us so much about Himself. This is a God who is not hiding anything.\u201d You could explore all kinds of things that come out of that: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIf this is a God who wants to be known, and if He is as great as He says He is, where do we go with it?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just imagining dinner table conversations, with kids around\u2014something as simple as that\u2014where you spend\u2014you could be in Chapter 1 of this devotional for eight or ten days before you ever get to Chapter 2. It would be a rich time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Exactly, that\u2019s often the way I hear parents using it; and that\u2019s the way, in our own experience with our grandchildren, that\u2019s the way\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014you\u2019ve used it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014we\u2019ve used it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> The whole idea of interacting with children\u2014you can do this at a <em>really<\/em> young age. I remember my youngest daughter, Kristi, who is now 34\u2014but she was 4 at the time\u2014and we were reading through a Bible storybook with her. She and I would sit there, and I would just pepper her with questions. We couldn\u2019t get through a story in it because I would sit and: \u201cWhy did this happen?\u201d and \u201cWhat do you think God was doing here?\u201d\u2014I mean, just constant questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne day she said, \u201cOoh, your questions are <em>so<\/em> hard!\u201d I said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThat\u2019s because I want you to <em>think<\/em>. I want you, when you go to the Word, to think about what it\u2019s saying, and who God is, and what it means for your life. I want you to learn to interact with the Bible and <em>think<\/em>.\u201d At the end of that year, she was asking me questions I couldn\u2019t answer; [Laughter] so I could have said, \u201cOoh, your questions are <em>so hard<\/em>!\u201d because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014she had learned to think; she had learned to interact. That\u2019s a process that a child learns by you exposing them and stretching that brain muscle so that they stretch for answers. Then you teach them: \u201cYou know what? When you come to the Word, you come with a prayer; because you\u2019re not wise enough to figure this out. You need God and the Holy Spirit to help you. I\u2019m going to ask you hard questions, but you better ask God for the answers.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just love the fact that you\u2019re helping parents and children\u2014not simply memorize rote facts that they find in the Bible or \u201cI can repeat back the story to you,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but \u201cLet\u2019s think critically; let\u2019s interact critically.\u201d There needs to be more critical thinking skills about every area of life in our kids; but when it comes to the Scriptures, this is how young people will get engaged and know for themselves: \u201cThis is how I believe,\u201d if they\u2019re challenging what they are reading with critical thinking skills.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And to Sally\u2019s point\u2014here\u2019s what most parents are feeling right now: \u201cI could never do what Sally\u2019s done!\u201d because she\u2019s become a very well-trained teacher. Yet, every Christian has the Holy Spirit\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and He teaches. He is referred to by Jesus\u2014in John, Chapter 14\u2014as <em>the Helper<\/em>. To Sally\u2019s point\u2014if you don\u2019t know what you\u2019re doing, ask the Helper\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014for help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> And if you don\u2019t know what you\u2019re doing, join the club with the rest of us. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly; exactly. I just remember what Dr. Hendrix said in class one day: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBore your children with Shakespeare; bore them with this and that from education, but <em>never <\/em>bore your children with the Scriptures.\u201d He said: \u201cIt\u2019s alive!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cIt\u2019s sharper that any two-edged sword.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we should add electricity to our dinner table, like Bob\u2019s talking about, when we ask these questions and not let the question dribble out and die. Press into the kids\u2014force them to think, like Sally was talking about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Share a little bit about some of the other things\u2014you\u2019ve got curriculum that churches are using\u2014other resources available; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> We\u2019ve written Sunday school curriculum all the way up through tenth grade\u2014a mid-week scope and sequence, as well, not quite up to tenth grade but close. We have started on devotional books that parents can use with their children; storybooks; a lot of parenting resources; the <em>Fighter Verse Program<\/em>\u2122, which is a Bible memory program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got a link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com to the Truth:78 website, where people can see the resources you\u2019ve got available. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Psalm 78:4 says, \u201cDon\u2019t hide the truth about God and the experience of God from your children.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just was reading it here and I was thinking, \u201cHow do we do that?\u201d You can hide something on purpose, or you can hide something by <em>neglecting<\/em> to teach it. What I want to challenge parents to do is to take, really, what David and Sally have created here and find a way to interact with your family and use your dinner table\u2014recapture it\u2014for some sound discussion and stimulating conversation, but don\u2019t bore them with the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re going to have to start having dinner together now as a result of this. [Laughter] When you do\u2014whether it\u2019s dinner or breakfast, or after dinner, or bedtime, or whenever you get the family together\u2014have some conversations that engage your children in thinking about God\u2014thinking biblically; thinking theologically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe book that Sally has coauthored with Jill Nelson is a <em>great<\/em> resource to help you with the right kinds of conversations. I\u2019ll just say\u2014from my own experience with this book, and with kids, you can\u2019t get through a whole section in one sitting. This is just a little piece at a time. But a few of these questions\u2014a few of these illustrations, or thoughts, or crafts, or the things that have been put into this book\u2014will help you teach your children to know who God is and to know what His plan is for our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe book is called <em>Glorious God, Glorious Gospel<\/em>. There\u2019s a companion coloring book for young kids to be engaged as you go through these sessions. We\u2019ve got both the coloring book and the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. I\u2019m going to encourage you\u2014if you\u2019ve got elementary-aged kids, pre-elementary, even junior high \/ senior high kids, get a copy of this book. Next time you\u2019re having dinner, pull it out and read a couple of paragraphs, and start a discussion around your dinner table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com or call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSpeaking of engaging your children around biblical ideas, especially during the holidays\u2014FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has put together a resource that we call \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas<em>\u2122<\/em>.\u201d We\u2019ve taken different titles for Jesus and made kid-friendly Christmas tree ornaments that you can use during the Christmas season as a way to introduce your child to whose birthday we\u2019re celebrating\u2014the King of kings, the Lord of lords, the Lamb of God, the Lion of Judah. Each of these ornaments is designed for your kids to be able hang on the tree. You can have a conversation with them about what each title for Jesus\u2019 name means. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d love to send you \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas\u201d as a thank-you gift today if you\u2019re able to help FamilyLife with a donation to support the work that we\u2019re doing. Every time you make a donation to FamilyLife, you\u2019re investing in the marriages and families of couples, all around the world, who are receiving practical biblical help and hope as they tune in to this broadcast online, on their local radio station, through their Amazon Alexa devices. There\u2019s a wide variety of ways that people are getting in touch with us and listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. 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David Michael and his wife, Sally, have a strong passion to see parents discipling their children in the faith. They encourage parents to talk to their children about what God is doing in their lives.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-11-19.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do your children know how to dig deep into God\u2019s Word to find all of the riches that are there? Sally Michael says, \u201cThat ought to be a parent\u2019s priority.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I remember my youngest daughter\u2014she was four at the time\u2014and we were reading through a Bible storybook with her. I would just pepper her with questions: Why did this happen?\u201d and \u201cWhat do you think God was doing here?\u201d\u2014I mean, just constant questions. One day, she said, \u201cOoh, your questions are <em>so<\/em> hard.\u201d I said: \u201cThat\u2019s because I want you, when you go to the Word, to think about what it\u2019s saying, and who God is, and what it means for your life. I want you to learn to interact with the Bible and <em>think<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, November 19<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. How <em>do<\/em> we raise children, who are not just Bible readers, but Bible explorers? We\u2019re going to talk about that today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Back\u2014this was many years ago\u2014we surveyed a bunch of people. I think it was more than 70,000 people that we surveyed in churches all across the country. I remember one of the questions we asked was, \u201cIf you wanted help in parenting, what would be the issues that you would like help with?\u201d We thought\u2014sibling rivalry, disciplining your kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014allowances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; we thought it was going to be all those kinds of issues, but you remember what the number one issue was; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I do\u2014spiritual life in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; \u201cHow do we help our kids understand the gospel, and respond to the gospel, and grow in their faith?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Recently, Barbara and I got away on a vacation. One of the things we were talking and praying about is what the couple who join us today have already done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe concept is found in Psalm 78, where it talks about a generational relay race that every follower of Christ needs to run and needs to know how to make a good handoff to the next generation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the reason that the organization that this couple is a part of is called Truth:78\u2014because of that Psalm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right. David and Sally Michael join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. David\/Sally, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Our pleasure to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>David and Sally hale from Indianapolis, Indiana\u2014David\u2019s a pastor there. Sally is, really, one of the founders of Truth:78. She is the co-author, along with Jill Nelson, of a family devotional called <em>Glorious God, Glorious Gospel<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI guess I want to ask you, Sally: \u201cWhere did this passion for making this handoff in this relay race come from in your heart? How did that occur?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I did not grow up in a Christian home. I was saved at 12. My parents didn\u2019t know the Bible themselves, so they couldn\u2019t spiritually nurture me; but they did send me to Christian schools, which was a huge blessing in my life. When I had children, I wanted to make sure that they knew the Word of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had taught Bible clubs before. We would always get <em>frustrated<\/em> with the material; because it was teaching good morals \/ it was teaching man-centered theology, I would say. We would keep having to change the material to teach it. We would just get so <em>frustrated<\/em> with it; because we really wanted our children and other children to really <em>know<\/em> the God of the Bible\u2014<em>not<\/em> the men of the Bible\u2014and not a God, who was very limited and small because He only has a few attributes like love and kindness\u2014but in His full-facetted personality and character. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the Lord just kind of bred that in us. I have always had a passion, since becoming a Christian, of making sure that other children grew up with the truth that I did not grow up with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You had two daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> We had two daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is this kind of how you taught them, at that point, then? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; we would just open the Bible and read it\u2014explain it to them. We went through different books. I think both of our children made a profession of faith with Ken Taylor\u2019s, <em>The Book for Children<\/em>, because all he does is tell the Bible story; but then you can go in there and say\u2014for example, the story of Moses and being found in the river by the princess\u2014say, \u201cWho put Moses right at that right place at the right time?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>You can help your children to see that God is a God of tremendous providences. God placed him there just at the right time. You could use that book and just insert theology in it, because all he does is tell a story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> As a kid, you\u2019re intrigued by stories about a strong Samson, who could bring down the walls with his own strength, or about Jonah being in the belly of the fish, or about Daniel standing strong and brave against the enemies, and the three children in the fiery furnace\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I mean, those capture the imagination of children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, you can understand why people, who have a heart to want to share the Bible with kids\u2014they gravitate toward those stories because hearing about a lion, whose mouth is shut when you\u2019re sent into the cave\u2014that\u2019s something that kids are waking up and paying attention to; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> And everybody knows kids love stories. I think, as we were raising our children, the disconnect between what children are typically taught from the Bible and what the Bible really teaches of God\u2014that disconnect was what drove us toward this passion to\u2014out of Psalm 78 there\u2014just teach the truth to our children. We\u2019re hiding the truth by ignoring the main character of the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s a command in Psalm 78 to do two things. It is a generational handoff; but it is a command to us, as parents\u2014and, I believe, grandparents\u2014to not only pass along the <em>truth<\/em> of God\u2019s Word, but also the <em>experience<\/em> of God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in a person\u2019s life. I think there\u2019s where a lot of children aren\u2019t seeing their parents connect the dots. They may hear parents talk about the <em>truth<\/em> of God\u2019s Word but they\u2019re not hearing the parents talk about \u201cHow Jesus Christ invaded my life,\u201d and \u201cLet me tell you how He did that this afternoon.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is a danger, don\u2019t you think, of telling kids stories from the ancient writings that make it sound like: \u201cThat\u2019s back when God lived, and when He was active in people\u2019s lives,\u201d and \u201cIt doesn\u2019t fit our modern lives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo show them what the Bible says about how God has worked in the lives of men and women throughout history; but then, to tell them your <em>own story<\/em> of how God\u2019s worked in <em>your<\/em> life\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that really ties it all together; doesn\u2019t it, Sally?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; I think God is still writing a testimony in <em>our own<\/em> lives and hearts of His people. We, so often, don\u2019t share that testimony with our children. I think, even as we read the Bible, as adults\u2014so often, we just read it\u2014and we read the words and, \u201cOh, those are good truths,\u201d\u2014but to stop and say: \u201cOkay; what does this mean in my life?\u201d \u201cWhat is God saying to me?\u201d \u201cHow is He leading me?\u201d \u201cWhat do I need to change?\u201d \u201cWhat do I need to obey?\u201d \u201cIs there a promise here for me to hang on to?\u201d Then, what you have seen from the Word\u2014what the Lord is working in your heart\u2014just open your mouth and talk about it with your children. Then weave Him into all of everyday life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can say to a child; for example, who\u2019s facing a piano recital\u2014who\u2019s a little nervous about that piano recital\u2014you can say to that child: \u201cOh, you\u2019ve practiced really hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou know what to do. You feel a little nervous; but when you get up there, your fingers are going to remember. You\u2019re going to know how to play that piece.\u201d And you\u2019ve just turned that child only to her own strength. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAn alternative way\u2014that a Christian parent really should guide a child\u2014is to say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI understand that you\u2019re nervous and you\u2019re afraid, but you know what? I\u2019m going to give you a verse\u2014it\u2019s Psalm 125:1-2: [Emotion in voice] \u201cThose who trust in the Lord are like Mount Zion which cannot be shaken but endures forever. As the mountains surround Jerusalem, so the Lord surrounds His people both now and forevermore.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo you know what? You take that verse, and you walk up to that piano and you say, \u201cLord, I am in <em>Your<\/em> hands.\u201d And when you play, you play for Jesus, knowing that He is there with you\u2014He is behind you; He is in front of you; He is beside you. You put your hands in the hands of Jesus, and you play for Him. No matter how you play\u2014no matter how your piece comes out\u2014you will not be shaken; because you are <em>standing<\/em> on the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sally, you got emotional, just recalling that verse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Why is that verse so meaningful in your heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think the promises of the Bible\u2014they are so precious\u2014they are so precious, and they speak to all of our experiences in life. If we live our lives focusing on those promises, we\u2019re going to live life very differently. We\u2019re going to bring God into <em>all of life<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got, I think, the best compliment I\u2019ve ever gotten in my life this summer. We had our three grandchildren for two-and-a-half weeks <em>by themselves<\/em>, which was really wonderful; because it was such a wonderful time for us just to spiritually nurture them. My ten-year-old granddaughter said to me one day, \u201cGrandma, I think you can take any subject and turn it into a conversation about God.\u201d [Laughter] I said to her, \u201cKatie, that\u2019s because everything in life <em>is<\/em> about God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s what sometimes Christian parents don\u2019t do. You know, we\u2019re talking about being nervous at a piano recital. They don\u2019t <em>relate<\/em> that to who God is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014His constant presence with His people; His faithfulness to guide them, to be with them, to help them in their weakness. We tend to turn children into, \u201cOkay; you\u2019re strong enough yourself.\u201d They\u2019re <em>not<\/em>; they need the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got a friend, who shared a story\u2014he\u2019s a grandfather too. His teenaged grandson came to him and said, \u201cGrandpa, I\u2019m not sure I want to play basketball next year on the varsity team.\u201d His grandson, I think, was a junior in high school. The grandfather could have kind of blown that off, but you know what he said to his grandson?\u2014I thought, \u201cThis is what we\u2019re talking about here.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe looked this grandson in the eye and said: \u201cYou know what I want you to do? I want you to encounter Jesus Christ. I want you to go get, face to face, with Him and ask <em>Him<\/em> what <em>He<\/em> wants you to do,\u201d because he said: \u201cI was looking at my grandson\u2019s face, and he was troubled. He had anxiety; he was worried.\u201d He said, \u201cI couldn\u2019t put my finger on it, but I knew the One who could.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> About a week later, he got together with his grandson again and said, \u201cWhat\u2019s up?\u201d And he said: \u201cWell, I think I\u2019m going to play basketball. I think that\u2019s what <em>He<\/em> wants me to do.\u201d Those may not sound like a big deal; but when we have an encounter with Jesus Christ ourselves; and then, we can introduce our children \/ our grandchildren to have an encounter with Christ, that\u2019s passing on our faith in a <em>living<\/em> fresh way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; what we try to emphasize is God-centered orientation. When we\u2019re telling Bible stories, tell the stories in a God-centered way. It\u2019s amazing how, in a world that\u2019s very self-centered, it\u2019s a very counter-cultural approach to raise our children with the orientation that God is the center of the universe in a world that wants to tell them, \u201c<em>You<\/em> are the center of the universe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David, the ministry you give leadership to\u2014Truth:78\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s a new name for a ministry that some of our listeners may have heard of before. Tell us a little bit about the organization. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; they may have heard of Children Desiring God, which is 20 years old now. That\u2019s where we started, back when these passions were emerging. We created Children Desiring God as a way to provide God-centered resources and to make them available for the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFast-forward 20 years, after some reorganization, we needed to come up with a new name. Came up with Truth:78 mainly because Psalm 78 has been a signature text that has defined our ministry over the years and this focus on teaching what is true about God. Putting those two realities together\u2014-<em>truth<\/em> and <em>78<\/em>\u2014we\u2019re linking it to Psalm 78.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sally, this devotional is just one of the tools \/ one of the resources you\u2019re making available. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to tell you\u2014I <em>love<\/em> this devotional, and I love the work you have done. When I first saw it, my first thought was, \u201cOkay; well, Chapter 1\u2014that would take me a week, maybe longer to go through.\u201d This is not a devotional, where you sit down, and read a story, and read a verse, and then pray a prayer at the end. You\u2019re trying to creatively pull parents and kids, alike, into understanding who God is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think we\u2019re very intentional about the <em>discipleship<\/em> of children\u2014I think the word, discipleship, is really important\u2014where we are making disciples. I think, so often, Christian parents <em>tell<\/em> children what to believe. What you want to do is\u2014you want to train them to look at the Word themselves, and understand for themselves, and interact with the Word of God so that it becomes their own\u2014it\u2019s personal for them. We\u2019re really pushing parents to interact around the Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re hoping that\u2014as they use the guide to interact, ask questions of the text, ask questions to apply\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014they will, then, learn to do that in all of life. We start with the mind\u2014and we give them text to interact with and content to interact with\u2014but we don\u2019t want to stop with the mind. We want to go to the heart; so then, we start with application questions: \u201cWhat does this mean in your life?\u201d \u201cIs there a promise for you?\u201d \u201cWhat is God saying to you in this passage?\u201d or \u201cHow can you apply this to your life?\u201d Then, move to the will, which is where obedience comes in: \u201cOkay; what steps are you going to <em>take<\/em> in response to what you have heard and what you have learned?\u201d We really do want to start dialogues\u2014spiritual dialogue between parent and child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> One of the things we emphasize is just the importance of Christian parents teaching their children to <em>think<\/em>. Rather than just giving them something to believe, we want them to understand <em>why<\/em> they believe what they believe. I\u2019ve actually learned this from Sally\u2014that one of the most effective tools for helping a child think is by asking questions and interacting with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why a devotional that just lays out the information\u2014the child hears\u2014but have they really thought and taken that truth and made the application? The interactive dimension of this is really important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In Session 1, one of the things you point out is that there are more than 3,000 verses in the Bible, where God reveals something about Himself to us\u20143,000 verses, where He discloses who He is. Then you say, \u201cWhat does that tell us about God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just thinking\u2014that observation and that question at a dinner table could be all it takes for that evening for you to engage around: \u201cWell, this is a God who wants to be known. That\u2019s why He\u2019s telling us so much about Himself. This is a God who is not hiding anything.\u201d You could explore all kinds of things that come out of that: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIf this is a God who wants to be known, and if He is as great as He says He is, where do we go with it?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just imagining dinner table conversations, with kids around\u2014something as simple as that\u2014where you spend\u2014you could be in Chapter 1 of this devotional for eight or ten days before you ever get to Chapter 2. It would be a rich time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Exactly, that\u2019s often the way I hear parents using it; and that\u2019s the way, in our own experience with our grandchildren, that\u2019s the way\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014you\u2019ve used it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014we\u2019ve used it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> The whole idea of interacting with children\u2014you can do this at a <em>really<\/em> young age. I remember my youngest daughter, Kristi, who is now 34\u2014but she was 4 at the time\u2014and we were reading through a Bible storybook with her. She and I would sit there, and I would just pepper her with questions. We couldn\u2019t get through a story in it because I would sit and: \u201cWhy did this happen?\u201d and \u201cWhat do you think God was doing here?\u201d\u2014I mean, just constant questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne day she said, \u201cOoh, your questions are <em>so<\/em> hard!\u201d I said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThat\u2019s because I want you to <em>think<\/em>. I want you, when you go to the Word, to think about what it\u2019s saying, and who God is, and what it means for your life. I want you to learn to interact with the Bible and <em>think<\/em>.\u201d At the end of that year, she was asking me questions I couldn\u2019t answer; [Laughter] so I could have said, \u201cOoh, your questions are <em>so hard<\/em>!\u201d because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014she had learned to think; she had learned to interact. That\u2019s a process that a child learns by you exposing them and stretching that brain muscle so that they stretch for answers. Then you teach them: \u201cYou know what? When you come to the Word, you come with a prayer; because you\u2019re not wise enough to figure this out. You need God and the Holy Spirit to help you. I\u2019m going to ask you hard questions, but you better ask God for the answers.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just love the fact that you\u2019re helping parents and children\u2014not simply memorize rote facts that they find in the Bible or \u201cI can repeat back the story to you,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but \u201cLet\u2019s think critically; let\u2019s interact critically.\u201d There needs to be more critical thinking skills about every area of life in our kids; but when it comes to the Scriptures, this is how young people will get engaged and know for themselves: \u201cThis is how I believe,\u201d if they\u2019re challenging what they are reading with critical thinking skills.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And to Sally\u2019s point\u2014here\u2019s what most parents are feeling right now: \u201cI could never do what Sally\u2019s done!\u201d because she\u2019s become a very well-trained teacher. Yet, every Christian has the Holy Spirit\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and He teaches. He is referred to by Jesus\u2014in John, Chapter 14\u2014as <em>the Helper<\/em>. To Sally\u2019s point\u2014if you don\u2019t know what you\u2019re doing, ask the Helper\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014for help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> And if you don\u2019t know what you\u2019re doing, join the club with the rest of us. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly; exactly. I just remember what Dr. Hendrix said in class one day: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBore your children with Shakespeare; bore them with this and that from education, but <em>never <\/em>bore your children with the Scriptures.\u201d He said: \u201cIt\u2019s alive!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cIt\u2019s sharper that any two-edged sword.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we should add electricity to our dinner table, like Bob\u2019s talking about, when we ask these questions and not let the question dribble out and die. Press into the kids\u2014force them to think, like Sally was talking about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Share a little bit about some of the other things\u2014you\u2019ve got curriculum that churches are using\u2014other resources available; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> We\u2019ve written Sunday school curriculum all the way up through tenth grade\u2014a mid-week scope and sequence, as well, not quite up to tenth grade but close. We have started on devotional books that parents can use with their children; storybooks; a lot of parenting resources; the <em>Fighter Verse Program<\/em>\u2122, which is a Bible memory program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got a link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com to the Truth:78 website, where people can see the resources you\u2019ve got available. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Psalm 78:4 says, \u201cDon\u2019t hide the truth about God and the experience of God from your children.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just was reading it here and I was thinking, \u201cHow do we do that?\u201d You can hide something on purpose, or you can hide something by <em>neglecting<\/em> to teach it. What I want to challenge parents to do is to take, really, what David and Sally have created here and find a way to interact with your family and use your dinner table\u2014recapture it\u2014for some sound discussion and stimulating conversation, but don\u2019t bore them with the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re going to have to start having dinner together now as a result of this. [Laughter] When you do\u2014whether it\u2019s dinner or breakfast, or after dinner, or bedtime, or whenever you get the family together\u2014have some conversations that engage your children in thinking about God\u2014thinking biblically; thinking theologically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe book that Sally has coauthored with Jill Nelson is a <em>great<\/em> resource to help you with the right kinds of conversations. I\u2019ll just say\u2014from my own experience with this book, and with kids, you can\u2019t get through a whole section in one sitting. This is just a little piece at a time. But a few of these questions\u2014a few of these illustrations, or thoughts, or crafts, or the things that have been put into this book\u2014will help you teach your children to know who God is and to know what His plan is for our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe book is called <em>Glorious God, Glorious Gospel<\/em>. There\u2019s a companion coloring book for young kids to be engaged as you go through these sessions. We\u2019ve got both the coloring book and the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. I\u2019m going to encourage you\u2014if you\u2019ve got elementary-aged kids, pre-elementary, even junior high \/ senior high kids, get a copy of this book. Next time you\u2019re having dinner, pull it out and read a couple of paragraphs, and start a discussion around your dinner table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com or call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSpeaking of engaging your children around biblical ideas, especially during the holidays\u2014FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has put together a resource that we call \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas<em>\u2122<\/em>.\u201d We\u2019ve taken different titles for Jesus and made kid-friendly Christmas tree ornaments that you can use during the Christmas season as a way to introduce your child to whose birthday we\u2019re celebrating\u2014the King of kings, the Lord of lords, the Lamb of God, the Lion of Judah. Each of these ornaments is designed for your kids to be able hang on the tree. You can have a conversation with them about what each title for Jesus\u2019 name means. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d love to send you \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas\u201d as a thank-you gift today if you\u2019re able to help FamilyLife with a donation to support the work that we\u2019re doing. Every time you make a donation to FamilyLife, you\u2019re investing in the marriages and families of couples, all around the world, who are receiving practical biblical help and hope as they tune in to this broadcast online, on their local radio station, through their Amazon Alexa devices. There\u2019s a wide variety of ways that people are getting in touch with us and listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You make that possible when you support this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, you make a donation today; and we\u2019d love to send you \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas\u201d for your kids or your grandkids to enjoy during the holiday season. Donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation. You can also request \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas\u201dwhen you mail your donation to<em> FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code it 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about how men can protect their moral integrity\u2014their moral purity\u2014especially in a culture or a world that keeps pushing them <em>away<\/em> from God\u2019s view of sexuality. Roger Fankhauser will be with us here to talk about that tomorrow. 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