{"id":300449,"date":"2018-11-07T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-11-07T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/thanking-god-for-the-thorns\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:38","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:38","slug":"thanking-god-for-the-thorns","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/thanking-god-for-the-thorns\/","title":{"rendered":"Thanking God for the Thorns"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s easy to thank God for the blessings, but thanking Him for the thorns, not so much. 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Mary Mohler says you\u2019re not alone\u2014the Apostle Paul had one too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong><a id=\"_Hlk527969482\">If Paul, who was arguably the greatest Christian of his day, and the one who was inspired to write 13 letters that we now read, and pour over, and memorize\u2014since they were given to us through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit\u2014wouldn\u2019t it have made sense that he could have functioned better without a thorn in his flesh? Well, apparently not!\u2014because God, who is sovereign, chose to not remove that thorn. If He chose not to remove Paul\u2019s thorn, it could very well be that He chooses not to remove ours. We have to be grateful for that.<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, November 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. So how can we be thankful in the midst of very difficult life circumstances? We\u2019ll talk more about that with our guest today, Mary Mohler. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. We\u2019ve been getting some time this week with Mary Mohler, talking about the whole issue of gratitude, which is an appropriate subject for us to be discussing in the month of November. For that matter, this is something we should be talking about all the time; because gratitude is not seasonal\u2014it\u2019s something that ought to be a part of our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMary, thanks for being with us again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>My pleasure. Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have to tell you a story about something that happened to me when I was in high school that came to mind as I was reflecting on your book. When I was senior in high school, my dad was admitted into the hospital and spent three weeks in the hospital, having been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. He\u2019s in the psych ward for three weeks. I\u2019m a senior in high school, trying to figure out what all this means: \u201cIs my dad crazy?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the middle of that time, I was in a high school student group\u2014I was going to Young Life. Somebody gave me a book that said that, in our circumstances \/ our hard circumstances, we need to praise God. I thought: \u201cWell, that is counterintuitive. That\u2019s not what you\u2019re thinking you should do when you\u2019re facing hard circumstances.\u201d I read a little bit of the book and I thought, \u201cOkay; it does makes sense\u2014that if God is sovereign and if He knows more than we know\u2014the circumstances we are in\u2014God is doing something for His glory \/ for our good; and by faith, we need to praise Him in those circumstances.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, as a high school student, going: \u201cOkay; this does not make sense to me; but God, I guess I\u2019m supposed to praise You that my dad is in the psych ward.\u201d I remember thinking, \u201cThat just sounds crazy that I\u2019m doing this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s very unusual that, at that age, you were able to take that advice and to apply it. My goodness\u2014that\u2019s tremendous!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, the next day, my mom says, \u201cThey are releasing your dad from the hospital.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought: \u201cI was just with dad a couple days ago. He\u2019s not ready to be released yet.\u201d I remember thinking, \u201cNo; there\u2019s still issues going on.\u201d But he came home that day\u2014they had kind of brought him to a place where he was not acting crazy. I just remember walking away and thinking: \u201cDid my coming to a point of praising God\u2014was that a part of the trigger, where God said, \u201c I was waiting for that before I responded\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>What a great lesson! That\u2019s wonderful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In your book you talk about the fact that God wants us to praise Him in the middle of hard times; doesn\u2019t He?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He does, and it is counterintuitive. People, who are walking through very difficult circumstances, may just think that\u2019s insulting\u2014like: \u201cYou really want me to thank Him for this thorn in the flesh that I\u2019ve been given? How do I do that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love this quote from a man\u2014a dear believer\u2014who lived back in the 1800\u2019s, named George Matheson. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis man was blind at age 20. He could certainly speak of thorns\u2014he\u2019d been engaged; his wife-to-be dropped him once she found out he was going blind. He just had a miserable life\u2014lived with a sister until she got married. Then, the day she married, he was on his own and wrote the hymn, <em>Oh Love That Will Not Let Me Go<\/em>, which many of your listeners will be familiar with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love the quote that is attributed to him\u2014he says: \u201cMy God, I have never thanked You for my thorns. I have thanked You a thousand times for the roses but <em>never<\/em> for the thorns. Teach me the glory of the cross I bear; teach me the <em>value<\/em> of my thorns. Show me that I have climbed closer to You along the path of pain; show me that, through the tears, the colors of Your rainbow look much more brilliant.\u201d I thought it stunning that, a man that\u2019s going blind, is asking to see the colors of the rainbow more brilliantly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I kind of spring-boarded from that into: \u201cIf we are going to thank the Lord for the thorns, how do actually, intentionally, do that?\u201d I came up with ten different ways to thank God when it hurts. One is to thank Him for the thorn when we can resolve that we are not going to let that thorn in the flesh be the hallmark of our life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs Job said, in Job 2:10: \u201cShall we receive good from God? Shall we not receive evil from Him?\u201d Then, there are several others, where the Lord is going to use that thorn\u2014either to help us encourage struggling believers \/ maybe to encourage unbelievers and point them to the Christ when they see that the love we have from the Lord is not dependent on us having an easy life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHopefully, that can be helpful to people; but I\u2019ve started a thorn list next to my blessing list, which is\u2014again, you say, \u201cWhat are you talking about?\u201d The thorn list is, hopefully, going be a lot shorter than your blessings list; but it takes some intentionality to actually sit there and say: \u201cOkay; Lord, here is a thorn You\u2019ve given me. I\u2019m going to show gratitude for it, and here\u2019s why\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, can you take us to your thorn list? Is there one you could tell us that\u2019s on your thorn list and tell us how you are processing that thorn and getting to gratitude from that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I could say one is that, for right now, our family is separated from us\u2014is a long way away, geographically. You may say, \u201cThat\u2019s not a very thorny thorn.\u201d So, the ones that would probably be more personal ones, I wouldn\u2019t share them on the air. But that\u2019s one that is a thorn to me as I have to guard against grumbling\u2014that there are people, who have their children and grandchildren in town, and seem to really take that for granted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, with two little grandsons that are far away, it\u2019s harder for me to accept, sometimes, that my son-in-law is called to do his important work at the State Department right now\u2014that\u2019s where the Lord has him\u2014and He has my husband doing an important job in Louisville, Kentucky, and me serving alongside him with student wives. This is what He has called us to do. But it is very difficult to be missing out on the day-to-day lives of those precious little grandsons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you think about the thorn\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and you go, \u201cI\u2019m not happy that I don\u2019t get to see my grandkids as regularly as I\u2019d like to,\u201d\u2014how do you get from there to: \u201cGod, You\u2019re good; and I praise You and I thank You\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I get to there by starting with who God is\u2014and realizing that He loves me more than I can ever imagine; and that His ways are not my ways; and He has a very good reason for why they are influencing people in Washington, DC, right now; and we\u2019re influencing people for the gospel in Louisville. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get to the point of being very thankful for things like FaceTime and Skype\u2014that our previous generations had <em>nothing<\/em> like that. They could send letters; maybe, they could go have pictures developed. Kids don\u2019t know what that means\u2014have a picture developed!\u2014and mail it. By the time you do that, the child has changed. So, things could always be much worse. I need to be sure to check my attitude that, as long as we are seeking to be at the center God\u2019s will, there is a reason why we are not together now. They\u2019re not on the mission field; because God\u2019s not called them to Africa or somewhere\u2014where I have friends, who can see their children maybe only once a year\/once every few years. You\u2019ve just got to trust the Lord in that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Apostle Paul had a thorn\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He did!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and found the gratitude in his thorn\u2014in recognizing that, in his weakness, God is made strong; and that there\u2019s grace in that moment of weakness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He came to that; and three times, he asked the Lord to take it away. I love what Dr. Lampert said in our chapel, one time, that really stuck with me\u2014that if Paul, who was arguably the greatest Christian of his day, and the one who was inspired to write 13 letters that we now read, and pour over, and memorize\u2014since they were given to us through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit\u2014wouldn\u2019t it have made sense that he could have functioned better without a thorn in his flesh? Well, apparently not!\u2014because God, who is sovereign, chose to not remove that thorn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf He chose not to remove Paul\u2019s thorn, it could very well be that He chooses not to remove ours. We have to be grateful for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, we have had guests, other than Mary, who have talked about this principle, who have gone through unspeakable suffering, and they refuse to allow their trial\u2014or their season of trials, or their lifetime of trials\u2014even the quote you had by the gentleman, who was a blind man, around what he could see by faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the thorns and not the roses.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. I think it\u2019s important for us to embrace the lessons God has for us\u2014and not let it define everything about our lives\u2014but to continue to trust Him and step out in faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And as Mary was sharing that quote, I was thinking about what you and Barbara read on a headstone in England a decade ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; we have a granddaughter, Mary, who only lived seven days. I think God had prepared us for her home-going, a year earlier, when we were in England. There was a little graveyard on the grounds of a church. One gravestone bore the names of a mother, and a father, and their son, who were all buried in that one spot. The mother died at age 24; the father at 25; and the little boy, I believe\u2014it was at 16 months. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere was the inscription on that gravestone: \u201cWe cannot, Lord, Thy purpose see; but all is well that\u2019s done by Thee.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s somewhat Spurgeon\u2019s quote, \u201cWhen you can\u2019t trace His hand, you trust His heart.\u201d When you make <em>no sense<\/em> out of this, whatsoever\u2014that any good can come from this\u2014you trust His heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know if you read the quote that I gave from the chaplain, when the woman was bedside with her son, dying of brain cancer. The chaplain came up alongside her and said: \u201cNow, just understand God is not in this. He\u2019ll be with you when it\u2019s done, but God is not in this.\u201d She had the fortitude to look him square in the eye and say to him: \u201cGod has not blinked; God has not moved; I will trust my God. He will carry me through this.\u201d You can\u2019t trace the Lord\u2019s hand; you trust His heart, and all is well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s a great quote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You end your book with a lot of practical counsel on how we get to where we need to be with gratitude. So, if we were having coffee together, and somebody said, \u201cI\u2019m struggling with this,\u201d where would you take them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I would take them to the fact that gratitude sprouts from the grace that we\u2019ve been given through the Lord. But then, it doesn\u2019t stall there; it spurs us on to be grateful to those around us. Of course, first of all, we are grateful to the Lord; but then, we\u2019re grateful to those He has given to us in our home and also just to people we meet on the street. I don\u2019t know about you, but it seems like \u201cplease\u201d and \u201cThank you,\u201d have just gone away\u2014grunts have replaced those. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s very easy to fall into that mindset of: \u201cWell, he knows that I\u2019m thankful,\u201d or \u201cShe knows that.\u201d There are many clerks that I feel like\u2014I can tell it in their eyes when I say, \u201cThank you very much,\u201d or I commend them with some small word of encouragement\u2014they give you a look like: \u201cNo one ever says that to me,\u201d or \u201cYou\u2019ve just made my day by saying that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only do we need to be gracious at home and grateful at home\u2014and our children need to see us modeling how we are expressing gratitude to them for small things \/ how we are expressing gratitude to their father for big things, on a regular basis\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s another whole subject\u2014that we don\u2019t ever underestimate that he is expecting that from us, and he\u2019s very disappointed when it seems that that\u2019s being taken for granted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve got some of the same DNA that I have in my heart. You believe that we need to have a revival of common courtesies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes, sir!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The other day, I was getting on a plane. I was kind of crowding in a line, and the line was not that well-defined. I asked to step in front of a young man, who would have gone in front of me\u2014I said, \u201cWould you mind if I go ahead and step in?\u201d He said: \u201cNot at all. We\u2019re both going to end up at the same destination at the same time; it\u2019s all good.\u201d He said, \u201cYou know, I appreciate you asking.\u201d He said: \u201cI think this country has become way too uncivilized in how we relate to one another; and we don\u2019t have courtesy and being kind to one another.\u201d You know, we ended up talking all the way into the plane\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and just talking about how our country is not civil\u2014we are not kind to each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we need to up our game, as believers, to be known by kindness and to be generous people. In fact, as I was reading your book\u2014your book is not about generosity\u2014but it <em>is<\/em> about generosity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It is in the end; right. Again, it goes back to: \u201cYou bump into us, gratitude should spill out of us\u2014not grumpiness\/not entitlement.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe see that so much with children. I shared the quote in the book about\u2014it\u2019s on Twitter\u2014I love this; I laughed out loud when I read this. It dates me a little bit, because you have to know what a crazy straw is\u2014that folded up piece of plastic that kids used to enjoy. [Laughter]\u00a0 It says: \u201cOne good thing about five-year-olds is that they\u2019re always just a crazy straw and some chocolate milk away from the best day ever!!!!\u201d [Laughter] Isn\u2019t that true? I mean, it takes so little to delight a two-year-old, three-year-old, five-year- old. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, you fast forward\u2014and those former five-year-olds become teenagers\u2014and they start to, if you\u2019re not careful, fall into that whole entitlement trap, where they believe every good thing that is out there should be theirs\u2014they deserve that. So, we have to model against that for sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A few months ago, I finished up having preached my way through the Book of Romans, which took more than a year to do\u2014a great journey in that book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>So rich!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The last chapter in that book\u2014as is the case with a lot of Paul\u2019s writings, he begins his letters by expressing his gratitude for the churches he\u2019s writing to in every case, except when he\u2019s writing to the Galatians\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He\u2019s mad there; yes.<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and he\u2019s mad because they have lost the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But even the Corinthians\u2014the immoral Corinthians\u2014get an expression of gratitude; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And then, he ends the letter to the Romans with a whole chapter of: \u201cGreet So-and-so,\u201d and \u201cGreet So-and-so,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m thankful for this person,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m thankful for this person.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of these are people he\u2019s never <em>met<\/em>\u2014people he\u2019s heard about\u2014he\u2019s never been to Rome. He knows them by name; he\u2019s probably prayed for these people, regularly\u2014even people he\u2019s never met. He\u2019s calling them off by name; and he\u2019s saying: \u201cGreet this person. I\u2019m thankful for what they did. They stuck their neck out for me.\u201d I mean, he takes a lot of parchment and a lot of dictation\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He does; he does!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014to express gratitude at the end of his doctrinal letter. I think there was just something in him, recognizing: \u201cDoctrine without gratitude isn\u2019t going to serve us or serve the Lord well.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s true! You know, our pastor just preached through that same passage\u2014it was after my book came out. I was taking great notes, thinking: \u201cThis is good stuff. I need to incorporate this, because it\u2019s true!\u201d Every jot and tittle that is in that letter is for our good and for His glory. It\u2019s not there by accident. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got to be more intentional about this at home and, also, when we\u2019re out. Unbelievers are watching\u2014you know, they\u2019re seeing if we really practice what we preach and teach. You can\u2019t put a value on this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You could walk around our office here\u2014and if you were to go into different cubicles or offices, you would see, pinned on a lot of bulletin boards or over a lot of desks\u2014you would see people, who have notes that have been there for <em>years<\/em>. The notes that have been there for years are notes that Dennis wrote to them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Precious; those are precious!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014where he just said: \u201cGood job on this,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m grateful for you and your service.\u201d Those notes don\u2018t get thrown away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They don\u2019t! Sometimes, those are found in the Bibles of dear saints after they have gone on. Those notes have been in there for <em>years<\/em>\u2014and they go back to whoever wrote\u2014and they don\u2019t even remember writing it. But it was so dear to that person\u2014maybe so rare\u2014to receive something that just simply put into words, not some perfunctory thing, but just to express profound gratitude. That\u2019s just priceless.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So where did that habit get cultivated in <em>you<\/em> to where you take the time\/the effort to express gratitude to people who have done a good job at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know; I\u2019d like to be able to nail it down. Maybe it\u2019s because I received notes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and they encouraged you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>They did! And I\u2019m thinking of something else Paul said\u2014that, maybe, it came from this\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014but this is what he is talking about here. In Romans, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChapter 12\u2014earlier in this same book you two have been quoting here\u2014verse 10\u2014it says, \u201cLove one another with brotherly affection.\u201d And then, it talks about what we\u2019re discussing here: \u201cOutdo one another in showing honor.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>\u201cOutdo\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What if we started our days?\u2014if we said: \u201cYou know, I am going to try to outdo. I\u2019m going to compete with everybody else to show honor to other people through common courtesies, with kind words, with a note of appreciation.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to be showing honor, and love, and appreciation\u2014and expressing that in various ways to one another\u2014beginning with your spouse; how about your kids? Don\u2019t look outward to other people\u2014start at home. Leave your wife a note, guys; stick a sweet note in your husband\u2019s backpack before he heads out the door. An email\u2014yes, that\u2019s okay; you can send one of those. I think handwritten notes are going to be incredibly valuable in 100 years, because very few people are practicing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>You\u2019re singing my song!! [Laughter] There\u2019s a whole section on that in here! There\u2019s a good way to write a note and even a bad way to write a bad thank-you note\u2014I\u2019ll even go that far.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I believe that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I have one of those notes in a drawer\u2014that when I got it, it was jaw-dropping for me. I had been invited to be an emcee at an event\u2014loved doing it \/ enjoyed the experience. One of the speakers at this event, who was very moving in her presentation, was Joni Erikson Tada.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Oh, yes!<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If there\u2019s anybody who has modeled for us gratitude in the face of adversity, it\u2019s Joni.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Nobody like her; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>She spoke, and the audience was moved. I was moved; I was humbled. I got home; and a few weeks later, I got a note at home from Joni, saying: \u201cLoved being with you. You did a great job emceeing.\u201d I\u2019m like: \u201cAre you kidding me?! Are you kidding?\u201d I mean, I was fine as an emcee; she was <em>masterful<\/em> in what she shared. And then, for her to write a note\u2014she\u2019s a quadriplegic; she\u2019s in a wheelchair\u2014to write a note; and by the way, it was in her hand, or her pen, that this note came. I looked at that and I thought: \u201cWhat a slacker I am! I should have written her a treatise on how what she shared moved me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd just to get that note, it\u2019s like: \u201cLord, I\u2019ve got a lot to learn. I\u2019ve got a ways to go.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s a wake-up call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I have to share this story, because I saw Joni at Billy Graham\u2019s funeral. She had just written Barbara a note, because Barbara had struggled for over eight weeks with hives. Frankly, a number of different things had taken place in Barbara\u2019s life. Joni\u2019s note said, \u201cBarbara I don\u2019t know of anyone who has suffered as well as you.\u201d I went up to Joni\u2014I put my hand over my heart and I said, \u201cJoni, your statement is incredibly humbling for Barbara to receive that you would write that to her.\u201d Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Profound. She is an <em>amazing<\/em> servant of the Lord; isn\u2019t she? I mention her in my book, as well, where she\u2019s going through a particularly horrible chemo treatment. She looked at Ken and she said, \u201cIt\u2019s like a splash over of hell to go through this.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, she waited a moment\u2014she said, \u201cWell, wait a minute; that\u2019s wrong.\u201d She said, \u201cIt\u2019s like a splash over of heaven that the Lord is holding my hand while I <em>do go through this!<\/em>\u201d Now, I can\u2019t get that word picture out of my mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was on our campus, as well, for a visit and just blesses every audience that has the privilege of hearing her. She\u2019s not going to let this define her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes;I think all of us can probably say: \u201cIs there somebody we ought to write a thank-you note to today?\u201d\u2014express some gratitude. Getting in that habit is a good habit to get into.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>If the Lord brings someone to mind for that reason, act on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. Can we say, \u201cThank you\u201d?\u2014can we express our gratitude\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>You may! Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ll do it, verbally. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014for this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I will accept it! Gladly!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t have a piece of paper here, at least, worthy of writing a thank-you note.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s been my privilege. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Thank you for being on the broadcast. You show your husband up extremely well. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>As long as I don\u2019t shame him, I\u2019ve done my job. Yes; that\u2019s my job.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Thank you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Thanks for joining us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>My pleasure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019ve got copies of Mary\u2019s book, <a id=\"_Hlk528144697\"><em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em><\/a>, available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. Great book to go through together, as a couple; read with the whole family\u2014read a few pages and talk about \u201cHow can we be more thankful?\u201d\u2014or you might want to go through this with your men\u2019s small group, your women\u2019s small group, or as a couple\u2019s small group. Again, the title of the book: <em>Growing in Gratitude.<\/em> Order from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to try something here. It may be too cold where you are; but if you are driving and listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014and you have ever made a donation in support of this ministry\u2014could you just tap your horn?\u2014you know, just two or three times\u2014beep, beep, beep. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, if you\u2019re driving and you\u2019re listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014and you\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> made a donation but you just heard somebody honking their horn\u2014you might just wave and say, \u201cThank you,\u201d through the window; because they are the people that make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEither that\u2014or they are just angry people on the highway, and they were honking at you for another reason\u2014I can\u2019t be sure. But the point is\u2014there\u2019s a small number of folks in every community who are making <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>possible for their friends and neighbors. If you are one of that small number in your community, on behalf the of others who are listening, \u201cThank you for helping make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you are a long-time listener\u2014you\u2019ve never donated to support this ministry\u2014today would be a great day for you to join the team; and then, you can tap your horn a couple of times and let folks know that you are now a supporter of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can donate by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY. In either case, when you make a donation, we\u2019d love to send <em>you<\/em> a dramatic retelling of the Thanksgiving story. It\u2019s actually the dramatized audio book for Barbara Rainey\u2019s book, <em>A Time to Remember. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s great for the whole family to listen to as you are traveling for the Thanksgiving holidays or just as you drive around town. Its our gift to you when you donate. So, again, thank you for your support; and we hope you enjoy the dramatized audio book of <em>Thanksgiving: A Time To Remember<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us tomorrow when we are going to talk about why moms are so important\u2014why motherhood matters. September McCarthy is going to be with us, and we hope you can be with us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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For that matter, this is something we should be talking about all the time; because gratitude is not seasonal\u2014it\u2019s something that ought to be a part of our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMary, thanks for being with us again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>My pleasure. Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have to tell you a story about something that happened to me when I was in high school that came to mind as I was reflecting on your book. When I was senior in high school, my dad was admitted into the hospital and spent three weeks in the hospital, having been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. He\u2019s in the psych ward for three weeks. I\u2019m a senior in high school, trying to figure out what all this means: \u201cIs my dad crazy?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the middle of that time, I was in a high school student group\u2014I was going to Young Life. Somebody gave me a book that said that, in our circumstances \/ our hard circumstances, we need to praise God. I thought: \u201cWell, that is counterintuitive. That\u2019s not what you\u2019re thinking you should do when you\u2019re facing hard circumstances.\u201d I read a little bit of the book and I thought, \u201cOkay; it does makes sense\u2014that if God is sovereign and if He knows more than we know\u2014the circumstances we are in\u2014God is doing something for His glory \/ for our good; and by faith, we need to praise Him in those circumstances.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, as a high school student, going: \u201cOkay; this does not make sense to me; but God, I guess I\u2019m supposed to praise You that my dad is in the psych ward.\u201d I remember thinking, \u201cThat just sounds crazy that I\u2019m doing this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s very unusual that, at that age, you were able to take that advice and to apply it. My goodness\u2014that\u2019s tremendous!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, the next day, my mom says, \u201cThey are releasing your dad from the hospital.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought: \u201cI was just with dad a couple days ago. He\u2019s not ready to be released yet.\u201d I remember thinking, \u201cNo; there\u2019s still issues going on.\u201d But he came home that day\u2014they had kind of brought him to a place where he was not acting crazy. I just remember walking away and thinking: \u201cDid my coming to a point of praising God\u2014was that a part of the trigger, where God said, \u201c I was waiting for that before I responded\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>What a great lesson! That\u2019s wonderful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In your book you talk about the fact that God wants us to praise Him in the middle of hard times; doesn\u2019t He?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He does, and it is counterintuitive. People, who are walking through very difficult circumstances, may just think that\u2019s insulting\u2014like: \u201cYou really want me to thank Him for this thorn in the flesh that I\u2019ve been given? How do I do that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love this quote from a man\u2014a dear believer\u2014who lived back in the 1800\u2019s, named George Matheson. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis man was blind at age 20. He could certainly speak of thorns\u2014he\u2019d been engaged; his wife-to-be dropped him once she found out he was going blind. He just had a miserable life\u2014lived with a sister until she got married. Then, the day she married, he was on his own and wrote the hymn, <em>Oh Love That Will Not Let Me Go<\/em>, which many of your listeners will be familiar with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love the quote that is attributed to him\u2014he says: \u201cMy God, I have never thanked You for my thorns. I have thanked You a thousand times for the roses but <em>never<\/em> for the thorns. Teach me the glory of the cross I bear; teach me the <em>value<\/em> of my thorns. Show me that I have climbed closer to You along the path of pain; show me that, through the tears, the colors of Your rainbow look much more brilliant.\u201d I thought it stunning that, a man that\u2019s going blind, is asking to see the colors of the rainbow more brilliantly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I kind of spring-boarded from that into: \u201cIf we are going to thank the Lord for the thorns, how do actually, intentionally, do that?\u201d I came up with ten different ways to thank God when it hurts. One is to thank Him for the thorn when we can resolve that we are not going to let that thorn in the flesh be the hallmark of our life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs Job said, in Job 2:10: \u201cShall we receive good from God? Shall we not receive evil from Him?\u201d Then, there are several others, where the Lord is going to use that thorn\u2014either to help us encourage struggling believers \/ maybe to encourage unbelievers and point them to the Christ when they see that the love we have from the Lord is not dependent on us having an easy life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHopefully, that can be helpful to people; but I\u2019ve started a thorn list next to my blessing list, which is\u2014again, you say, \u201cWhat are you talking about?\u201d The thorn list is, hopefully, going be a lot shorter than your blessings list; but it takes some intentionality to actually sit there and say: \u201cOkay; Lord, here is a thorn You\u2019ve given me. I\u2019m going to show gratitude for it, and here\u2019s why\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, can you take us to your thorn list? Is there one you could tell us that\u2019s on your thorn list and tell us how you are processing that thorn and getting to gratitude from that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I could say one is that, for right now, our family is separated from us\u2014is a long way away, geographically. You may say, \u201cThat\u2019s not a very thorny thorn.\u201d So, the ones that would probably be more personal ones, I wouldn\u2019t share them on the air. But that\u2019s one that is a thorn to me as I have to guard against grumbling\u2014that there are people, who have their children and grandchildren in town, and seem to really take that for granted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, with two little grandsons that are far away, it\u2019s harder for me to accept, sometimes, that my son-in-law is called to do his important work at the State Department right now\u2014that\u2019s where the Lord has him\u2014and He has my husband doing an important job in Louisville, Kentucky, and me serving alongside him with student wives. This is what He has called us to do. But it is very difficult to be missing out on the day-to-day lives of those precious little grandsons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you think about the thorn\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and you go, \u201cI\u2019m not happy that I don\u2019t get to see my grandkids as regularly as I\u2019d like to,\u201d\u2014how do you get from there to: \u201cGod, You\u2019re good; and I praise You and I thank You\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I get to there by starting with who God is\u2014and realizing that He loves me more than I can ever imagine; and that His ways are not my ways; and He has a very good reason for why they are influencing people in Washington, DC, right now; and we\u2019re influencing people for the gospel in Louisville. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get to the point of being very thankful for things like FaceTime and Skype\u2014that our previous generations had <em>nothing<\/em> like that. They could send letters; maybe, they could go have pictures developed. Kids don\u2019t know what that means\u2014have a picture developed!\u2014and mail it. By the time you do that, the child has changed. So, things could always be much worse. I need to be sure to check my attitude that, as long as we are seeking to be at the center God\u2019s will, there is a reason why we are not together now. They\u2019re not on the mission field; because God\u2019s not called them to Africa or somewhere\u2014where I have friends, who can see their children maybe only once a year\/once every few years. You\u2019ve just got to trust the Lord in that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Apostle Paul had a thorn\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He did!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and found the gratitude in his thorn\u2014in recognizing that, in his weakness, God is made strong; and that there\u2019s grace in that moment of weakness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He came to that; and three times, he asked the Lord to take it away. I love what Dr. Lampert said in our chapel, one time, that really stuck with me\u2014that if Paul, who was arguably the greatest Christian of his day, and the one who was inspired to write 13 letters that we now read, and pour over, and memorize\u2014since they were given to us through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit\u2014wouldn\u2019t it have made sense that he could have functioned better without a thorn in his flesh? Well, apparently not!\u2014because God, who is sovereign, chose to not remove that thorn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf He chose not to remove Paul\u2019s thorn, it could very well be that He chooses not to remove ours. We have to be grateful for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, we have had guests, other than Mary, who have talked about this principle, who have gone through unspeakable suffering, and they refuse to allow their trial\u2014or their season of trials, or their lifetime of trials\u2014even the quote you had by the gentleman, who was a blind man, around what he could see by faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the thorns and not the roses.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. I think it\u2019s important for us to embrace the lessons God has for us\u2014and not let it define everything about our lives\u2014but to continue to trust Him and step out in faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And as Mary was sharing that quote, I was thinking about what you and Barbara read on a headstone in England a decade ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; we have a granddaughter, Mary, who only lived seven days. I think God had prepared us for her home-going, a year earlier, when we were in England. There was a little graveyard on the grounds of a church. One gravestone bore the names of a mother, and a father, and their son, who were all buried in that one spot. The mother died at age 24; the father at 25; and the little boy, I believe\u2014it was at 16 months. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere was the inscription on that gravestone: \u201cWe cannot, Lord, Thy purpose see; but all is well that\u2019s done by Thee.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s somewhat Spurgeon\u2019s quote, \u201cWhen you can\u2019t trace His hand, you trust His heart.\u201d When you make <em>no sense<\/em> out of this, whatsoever\u2014that any good can come from this\u2014you trust His heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know if you read the quote that I gave from the chaplain, when the woman was bedside with her son, dying of brain cancer. The chaplain came up alongside her and said: \u201cNow, just understand God is not in this. He\u2019ll be with you when it\u2019s done, but God is not in this.\u201d She had the fortitude to look him square in the eye and say to him: \u201cGod has not blinked; God has not moved; I will trust my God. He will carry me through this.\u201d You can\u2019t trace the Lord\u2019s hand; you trust His heart, and all is well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s a great quote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You end your book with a lot of practical counsel on how we get to where we need to be with gratitude. So, if we were having coffee together, and somebody said, \u201cI\u2019m struggling with this,\u201d where would you take them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I would take them to the fact that gratitude sprouts from the grace that we\u2019ve been given through the Lord. But then, it doesn\u2019t stall there; it spurs us on to be grateful to those around us. Of course, first of all, we are grateful to the Lord; but then, we\u2019re grateful to those He has given to us in our home and also just to people we meet on the street. I don\u2019t know about you, but it seems like \u201cplease\u201d and \u201cThank you,\u201d have just gone away\u2014grunts have replaced those. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s very easy to fall into that mindset of: \u201cWell, he knows that I\u2019m thankful,\u201d or \u201cShe knows that.\u201d There are many clerks that I feel like\u2014I can tell it in their eyes when I say, \u201cThank you very much,\u201d or I commend them with some small word of encouragement\u2014they give you a look like: \u201cNo one ever says that to me,\u201d or \u201cYou\u2019ve just made my day by saying that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only do we need to be gracious at home and grateful at home\u2014and our children need to see us modeling how we are expressing gratitude to them for small things \/ how we are expressing gratitude to their father for big things, on a regular basis\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s another whole subject\u2014that we don\u2019t ever underestimate that he is expecting that from us, and he\u2019s very disappointed when it seems that that\u2019s being taken for granted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve got some of the same DNA that I have in my heart. You believe that we need to have a revival of common courtesies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes, sir!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The other day, I was getting on a plane. I was kind of crowding in a line, and the line was not that well-defined. I asked to step in front of a young man, who would have gone in front of me\u2014I said, \u201cWould you mind if I go ahead and step in?\u201d He said: \u201cNot at all. We\u2019re both going to end up at the same destination at the same time; it\u2019s all good.\u201d He said, \u201cYou know, I appreciate you asking.\u201d He said: \u201cI think this country has become way too uncivilized in how we relate to one another; and we don\u2019t have courtesy and being kind to one another.\u201d You know, we ended up talking all the way into the plane\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and just talking about how our country is not civil\u2014we are not kind to each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we need to up our game, as believers, to be known by kindness and to be generous people. In fact, as I was reading your book\u2014your book is not about generosity\u2014but it <em>is<\/em> about generosity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It is in the end; right. Again, it goes back to: \u201cYou bump into us, gratitude should spill out of us\u2014not grumpiness\/not entitlement.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe see that so much with children. I shared the quote in the book about\u2014it\u2019s on Twitter\u2014I love this; I laughed out loud when I read this. It dates me a little bit, because you have to know what a crazy straw is\u2014that folded up piece of plastic that kids used to enjoy. [Laughter]\u00a0 It says: \u201cOne good thing about five-year-olds is that they\u2019re always just a crazy straw and some chocolate milk away from the best day ever!!!!\u201d [Laughter] Isn\u2019t that true? I mean, it takes so little to delight a two-year-old, three-year-old, five-year- old. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, you fast forward\u2014and those former five-year-olds become teenagers\u2014and they start to, if you\u2019re not careful, fall into that whole entitlement trap, where they believe every good thing that is out there should be theirs\u2014they deserve that. So, we have to model against that for sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A few months ago, I finished up having preached my way through the Book of Romans, which took more than a year to do\u2014a great journey in that book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>So rich!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The last chapter in that book\u2014as is the case with a lot of Paul\u2019s writings, he begins his letters by expressing his gratitude for the churches he\u2019s writing to in every case, except when he\u2019s writing to the Galatians\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He\u2019s mad there; yes.<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and he\u2019s mad because they have lost the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But even the Corinthians\u2014the immoral Corinthians\u2014get an expression of gratitude; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And then, he ends the letter to the Romans with a whole chapter of: \u201cGreet So-and-so,\u201d and \u201cGreet So-and-so,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m thankful for this person,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m thankful for this person.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of these are people he\u2019s never <em>met<\/em>\u2014people he\u2019s heard about\u2014he\u2019s never been to Rome. He knows them by name; he\u2019s probably prayed for these people, regularly\u2014even people he\u2019s never met. He\u2019s calling them off by name; and he\u2019s saying: \u201cGreet this person. I\u2019m thankful for what they did. They stuck their neck out for me.\u201d I mean, he takes a lot of parchment and a lot of dictation\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>He does; he does!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014to express gratitude at the end of his doctrinal letter. I think there was just something in him, recognizing: \u201cDoctrine without gratitude isn\u2019t going to serve us or serve the Lord well.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s true! You know, our pastor just preached through that same passage\u2014it was after my book came out. I was taking great notes, thinking: \u201cThis is good stuff. I need to incorporate this, because it\u2019s true!\u201d Every jot and tittle that is in that letter is for our good and for His glory. It\u2019s not there by accident. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got to be more intentional about this at home and, also, when we\u2019re out. Unbelievers are watching\u2014you know, they\u2019re seeing if we really practice what we preach and teach. You can\u2019t put a value on this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You could walk around our office here\u2014and if you were to go into different cubicles or offices, you would see, pinned on a lot of bulletin boards or over a lot of desks\u2014you would see people, who have notes that have been there for <em>years<\/em>. The notes that have been there for years are notes that Dennis wrote to them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Precious; those are precious!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014where he just said: \u201cGood job on this,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m grateful for you and your service.\u201d Those notes don\u2018t get thrown away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They don\u2019t! Sometimes, those are found in the Bibles of dear saints after they have gone on. Those notes have been in there for <em>years<\/em>\u2014and they go back to whoever wrote\u2014and they don\u2019t even remember writing it. But it was so dear to that person\u2014maybe so rare\u2014to receive something that just simply put into words, not some perfunctory thing, but just to express profound gratitude. That\u2019s just priceless.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So where did that habit get cultivated in <em>you<\/em> to where you take the time\/the effort to express gratitude to people who have done a good job at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know; I\u2019d like to be able to nail it down. Maybe it\u2019s because I received notes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and they encouraged you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>They did! And I\u2019m thinking of something else Paul said\u2014that, maybe, it came from this\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014but this is what he is talking about here. In Romans, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChapter 12\u2014earlier in this same book you two have been quoting here\u2014verse 10\u2014it says, \u201cLove one another with brotherly affection.\u201d And then, it talks about what we\u2019re discussing here: \u201cOutdo one another in showing honor.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>\u201cOutdo\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What if we started our days?\u2014if we said: \u201cYou know, I am going to try to outdo. I\u2019m going to compete with everybody else to show honor to other people through common courtesies, with kind words, with a note of appreciation.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to be showing honor, and love, and appreciation\u2014and expressing that in various ways to one another\u2014beginning with your spouse; how about your kids? Don\u2019t look outward to other people\u2014start at home. Leave your wife a note, guys; stick a sweet note in your husband\u2019s backpack before he heads out the door. An email\u2014yes, that\u2019s okay; you can send one of those. I think handwritten notes are going to be incredibly valuable in 100 years, because very few people are practicing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>You\u2019re singing my song!! [Laughter] There\u2019s a whole section on that in here! There\u2019s a good way to write a note and even a bad way to write a bad thank-you note\u2014I\u2019ll even go that far.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I believe that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I have one of those notes in a drawer\u2014that when I got it, it was jaw-dropping for me. I had been invited to be an emcee at an event\u2014loved doing it \/ enjoyed the experience. One of the speakers at this event, who was very moving in her presentation, was Joni Erikson Tada.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Oh, yes!<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If there\u2019s anybody who has modeled for us gratitude in the face of adversity, it\u2019s Joni.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Nobody like her; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>She spoke, and the audience was moved. I was moved; I was humbled. I got home; and a few weeks later, I got a note at home from Joni, saying: \u201cLoved being with you. You did a great job emceeing.\u201d I\u2019m like: \u201cAre you kidding me?! Are you kidding?\u201d I mean, I was fine as an emcee; she was <em>masterful<\/em> in what she shared. And then, for her to write a note\u2014she\u2019s a quadriplegic; she\u2019s in a wheelchair\u2014to write a note; and by the way, it was in her hand, or her pen, that this note came. I looked at that and I thought: \u201cWhat a slacker I am! I should have written her a treatise on how what she shared moved me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd just to get that note, it\u2019s like: \u201cLord, I\u2019ve got a lot to learn. I\u2019ve got a ways to go.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s a wake-up call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I have to share this story, because I saw Joni at Billy Graham\u2019s funeral. She had just written Barbara a note, because Barbara had struggled for over eight weeks with hives. Frankly, a number of different things had taken place in Barbara\u2019s life. Joni\u2019s note said, \u201cBarbara I don\u2019t know of anyone who has suffered as well as you.\u201d I went up to Joni\u2014I put my hand over my heart and I said, \u201cJoni, your statement is incredibly humbling for Barbara to receive that you would write that to her.\u201d Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Profound. She is an <em>amazing<\/em> servant of the Lord; isn\u2019t she? I mention her in my book, as well, where she\u2019s going through a particularly horrible chemo treatment. She looked at Ken and she said, \u201cIt\u2019s like a splash over of hell to go through this.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, she waited a moment\u2014she said, \u201cWell, wait a minute; that\u2019s wrong.\u201d She said, \u201cIt\u2019s like a splash over of heaven that the Lord is holding my hand while I <em>do go through this!<\/em>\u201d Now, I can\u2019t get that word picture out of my mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was on our campus, as well, for a visit and just blesses every audience that has the privilege of hearing her. She\u2019s not going to let this define her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes;I think all of us can probably say: \u201cIs there somebody we ought to write a thank-you note to today?\u201d\u2014express some gratitude. Getting in that habit is a good habit to get into.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>If the Lord brings someone to mind for that reason, act on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. Can we say, \u201cThank you\u201d?\u2014can we express our gratitude\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>You may! Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ll do it, verbally. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014for this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I will accept it! Gladly!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t have a piece of paper here, at least, worthy of writing a thank-you note.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>It\u2019s been my privilege. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Thank you for being on the broadcast. You show your husband up extremely well. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>As long as I don\u2019t shame him, I\u2019ve done my job. Yes; that\u2019s my job.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Thank you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Thanks for joining us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>My pleasure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019ve got copies of Mary\u2019s book, <a id=\"_Hlk528144697\"><em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em><\/a>, available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. Great book to go through together, as a couple; read with the whole family\u2014read a few pages and talk about \u201cHow can we be more thankful?\u201d\u2014or you might want to go through this with your men\u2019s small group, your women\u2019s small group, or as a couple\u2019s small group. Again, the title of the book: <em>Growing in Gratitude.<\/em> Order from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to try something here. It may be too cold where you are; but if you are driving and listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014and you have ever made a donation in support of this ministry\u2014could you just tap your horn?\u2014you know, just two or three times\u2014beep, beep, beep. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, if you\u2019re driving and you\u2019re listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014and you\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> made a donation but you just heard somebody honking their horn\u2014you might just wave and say, \u201cThank you,\u201d through the window; because they are the people that make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEither that\u2014or they are just angry people on the highway, and they were honking at you for another reason\u2014I can\u2019t be sure. But the point is\u2014there\u2019s a small number of folks in every community who are making <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>possible for their friends and neighbors. If you are one of that small number in your community, on behalf the of others who are listening, \u201cThank you for helping make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you are a long-time listener\u2014you\u2019ve never donated to support this ministry\u2014today would be a great day for you to join the team; and then, you can tap your horn a couple of times and let folks know that you are now a supporter of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can donate by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY. In either case, when you make a donation, we\u2019d love to send <em>you<\/em> a dramatic retelling of the Thanksgiving story. It\u2019s actually the dramatized audio book for Barbara Rainey\u2019s book, <em>A Time to Remember. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s great for the whole family to listen to as you are traveling for the Thanksgiving holidays or just as you drive around town. Its our gift to you when you donate. So, again, thank you for your support; and we hope you enjoy the dramatized audio book of <em>Thanksgiving: A Time To Remember<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us tomorrow when we are going to talk about why moms are so important\u2014why motherhood matters. 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