{"id":300447,"date":"2018-11-06T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-11-06T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/rediscovering-gratefulness\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:37","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:37","slug":"rediscovering-gratefulness","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/rediscovering-gratefulness\/","title":{"rendered":"Rediscovering Gratefulness"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mary Mohler takes a biblical look at griping, complaining, and grumbling and identifies some gratitude robbers that may be stealing our joy.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-11-06.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:29:04","filesize":"26.62M","filesize_raw":"27911799","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2806],"tags":[4614,4615,4613,4616],"podcast_series":[7262],"cwp_profile":[3541],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-300447","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-spiritual-development","tag-grateful","tag-gratitude","tag-thankful","tag-trust-in-god","podcast_series-growing-in-gratitude","cwp_profile-mary-mohler","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/300447\/rediscovering-gratefulness","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/300447\/rediscovering-gratefulness","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"dvlr4Z8EPf\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/rediscovering-gratefulness\/\">Rediscovering Gratefulness<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/rediscovering-gratefulness\/embed\/#?secret=dvlr4Z8EPf\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Rediscovering Gratefulness&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"dvlr4Z8EPf\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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How come we\u2019re not seeing more gratitude? Here\u2019s Mary Mohler.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Since this <em>is <\/em>such a clear biblical mandate, why do we not see more people talking about it? Why do we, most of all, not see people exhibiting great gratitude on a regular basis? There\u2019ve got to be some hindrances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe one I put at the top of the list is that: \u201cWe\u2019re grateful, but we are conflicted; because we\u2019re pained by the fact that we have loved ones who do not know the Lord. We feel conflicted\u2014being so happy in Christ\u2014when they\u2019re so hopelessly lost.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Tuesday, November 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. Is that one of the things that\u2019s keeping you from giving thanks to God, or are there other hindrances? We\u2019ll explore that with Mary Mohler today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I don\u2019t think of you as a grumpy, grumbler type. You would not classify yourself that way; would you? I mean, I\u2019m thinking about those two\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I know my own heart\u2014that\u2019s the problem.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know, but I\u2019m thinking about those two guys on <em>The Muppet Show<\/em>. Do you remember the two guys, who would sit in the balcony, on <em>The Muppet Show<\/em>? Did you ever watch <em>The Muppet Show<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did, but was it Grouchy?\u2014was he one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No! There are two guys\u2014now, you\u2019re thinking of <em>Sesame Street<\/em> and Oscar the Grouch\u2014is what I think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; that was a puppet too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of the two critics, who would sit there in the back\u2014and whatever would go on, they\u2019d just grumble about what they had just seen; and they would denigrate it. There are people like that, who\u2014whatever\u2014you tell them that their favorite team just won the World Series\u2014and they go, \u201cYeah; but next year, they\u2019re going to be terrible!\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know people like that. You\u2019re not one of those people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m not; but I must have it in my DNA, because I gave birth to six kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\u2014and what are you saying about that?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh! Did you hear that?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I said, \u201cDid you give birth to six children?\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe we should get Barbara in here! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; well, we should.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think so!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did I say, \u201cI\u201d or \u201cwe\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> You said, \u201cI.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; you said, \u201cI gave birth to six kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; let\u2019s correct that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No! Let\u2019s leave it! Barbara gave birth; you take the credit. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s give the credit where it\u2019s due! We did have six kids\u2014but we would go on vacation\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just introduce our guest, though, here. Mary Mohler joins us, again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. She\u2019s the author of <em>Growing in Gratitude: Rediscovering the Joy of a Thankful Heart.<\/em> Welcome back, Mary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Thank you so much. Glad to be here!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She lives in Louisville, where she\u2019s married to Al Mohler since 1983\u2014two children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014two grandchildren\u2014let\u2019s not leave them off!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Ahhhh, two grandchildren!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to mention them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Where I wanted to go was\u2014at the beginning of our vacations, Mary\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014we would create a little jar. Back then, I think it was a quarter jar.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We would fill it with about ten bucks\u2019 worth of quarters. Six kids into ten bucks; they could each end up with, you know, $1.50 or something like that to go get an ice cream cone. That was back when $1.50 would do that; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right! Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So we would start out the vacation; and we would say: \u201cWe\u2019re going to eradicate griping, grumbling, and disputing on this trip. So, the first time we hear you griping about obeying or griping about your brother or sister, we\u2019re going to take a quarter out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oooh; how did that go?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cAnd if you gripe about the quarter coming out, we\u2019re going to take <em>another<\/em> quarter out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, tough!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And this really, really worked\u2014it got the vacation started off on the right foot. Now, I wish I could tell you that, because we practiced that, that took care of it for the rest of the existence of time on earth\u2014it didn\u2019t! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> And now, you\u2019re telling me that your kids, when they go on vacation, do this with their kids; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I would imagine\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s generational now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I would imagine they would. That\u2019s why I answered Bob the way I did\u2014they had to get it from somebody. They didn\u2019t get it from Barbara. [Laughter] They had to get this DNA from someone\u2014griping, grumbling, and disputing. It\u2019s a disease of the human heart; isn\u2019t it, Mary? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It is; and some people will try to attribute that to kind of an Eeyore mentality\u2014that it\u2019s in the genes\u2014that some people are just born that way; you know? I also make the argument\u2014like: \u201cMaybe there are just some parents who just nail this life lesson better than others did with their kids,\u201d \u201cMaybe some just\u2014you know, they have the gene for it\u2014to be grateful and not grumpy,\u201d \u201cMaybe some are just like the Eeyore, that can manage to find a storm cloud on a clear day.\u201d [Laughter] But that is not, biblically, how we are to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe go back to the passage that we started with\u2014that I start and end the book with\u2014in Colossians 2. It talks about how: \u201cAs we have received Christ the Lord\u201d\u2014Christ Jesus the Lord\u2014\u201cso we walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him, and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.\u201d The Greek scholars tell us that that abounding means\u2014it connotes the idea of us spilling over with gratitude. It\u2019s not like we\u2019re half-full of it \/ three-quarters of the way full; it\u2019s: \u201cIf you bump into us, gratitude spills out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s impossible to be grumpy if you are filled up with gratitude as we are commanded to be through God\u2019s Holy Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the treasures of your book, <em>Growing in Gratitude, <\/em>is that you help us identify gratitude robbers\u2014things that make gratitude difficult \/ things that hinder us from being grateful. So give us an example of something that would hinder us from gratitude. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Sure; I\u2019m glad to. I have to say that I started to pinpoint these; because it became very unsettling to me that, since this is such a clear biblical mandate, why do we not see more people talking about it? Why do we, most of all, not see people exhibiting great gratitude on a regular basis?\u2014there\u2019ve got to be some hindrances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI came up with a list of four. You know, your list of four may be completely different than mine\u2014this is not exhaustive\u2014but the one I\u2019d put at the top of the list is that: \u201cWe\u2019re grateful, but we are conflicted; because we\u2019re pained by the fact that we have loved ones who do not know the Lord. We feel conflicted\u2014being so happy in Christ\u2014when they\u2019re so hopelessly lost,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s a huge concern. Those who have prodigal children know what a concern that is. You almost feel guilty feeling grateful, which is completely counterintuitive and wrong, but that\u2019s one obstacle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA second one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, hang on; before you go to a second one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014just help me with this a little bit; because there are people in my life\u2014I\u2019m burdened for them to come to know the Lord. If they are family members; if they are children; or if there are parents, who are approaching death, this can be a burden on somebody\u2019s heart. How do we cultivate <em>gratitude<\/em> if we\u2019ve got a parent, who is in hospice, who doesn\u2019t know the Lord? Where do you find gratitude in the midst of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s a huge, huge obstacle. I consider this one to be <em>the <\/em>most serious. I think that we would almost sooner\u2014if we were in control, which we\u2019re not, deal with a life-threatening illness to ourselves or to a loved one, who\u2019s in the Lord, than deal with a healthy person\u2014seemingly, physically healthy\u2014who has just slammed the door on the gospel so many times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are no quick, pat answers to this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis does become a trust issue: \u201cDo you trust the Lord, or do you not? Do you believe that He loves that loved one more than you do, or do you not? I mean, He created that person in His own image; He is working His plan in ways that we do not know, or will not understand, this side of heaven. So we keep on praying; we keep on trusting.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI give a quote about how seeds that we plant now may lie under the ground until we do\u2014until we\u2019re dead and in the ground\u2014and then, that may be the perfect time that the Lord chooses for those seeds to sprout, and grow up, and break through that ground. What a glorious thing it is\u2014when we would write somebody off\u2014that: \u201cThere\u2019s no way that person\u2019s coming back to the Lord,\u201d and they do in a tremendously glorious way that honors the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have a friend of mine\u2014burdened for his mom for years. She was pretty stubborn in her resistance to the gospel in spite of her son\u2019s love and care for her. In the last three weeks of her life, in a conversation with a granddaughter, the light came into her soul. She recognized her sin, and she turned, and she repented. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis son thought to himself, \u201cThis will never happen.\u201d But God\u2019s grace can penetrate the most stubborn, hardened heart. As long as somebody still has life and breath, the story\u2019s not over; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely! And we don\u2019t know\u2014I mean, we\u2019ve got that very short account that\u2019s given to us, just in one of the gospels, of how that thief on the cross\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014you know, is with the Lord in paradise. Look at what a horrible life he lived; and moments before he died, we know that the Lord saved him. Only the Lord knows the heart. So, in those end of life cases, we have to keep on praying \/ keep on trusting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I advise even <em>dreaming<\/em> about what it would look like for that person to come to Christ: \u201cIt seems so bad now, but look what could happen if that person were in these circumstances, and then the Lord draws him to Himself, and that person is then able to go to others, who\u2019ve been in that circumstance, and say, \u2018You know, I was there, too; and here\u2019s how the Lord transformed me.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Parents of prodigals\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014struggle with this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to have gratitude for who God is when a child is wandering\u2014it is a hard place to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s a super-hard place to be. It\u2019s one of those places where the Lord can use that to draw us closer to Him, even though that also sounds counterintuitive\u2014that our trust has to be so strong in Him\u2014that we really believe what we\u2019re reading in this precious Book that He has given us\u2014that He has preserved for us for centuries so that we don\u2019t have to wonder\u2014but we <em>know<\/em> who He is. He is God, and we are not! Our thoughts are not His thoughts; our ways are not His ways\u2014He\u2019s in charge!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You tell a story in the book about a father of seven\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes! I love that story!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and he was a believer\u2014but none of his kids were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He was; he was a believer; his wife was not. He had one son, of the seven, who came to Christ before he died. He died with one son trusting the Lord, and that son then felt so burdened for his remaining family. Time and time again, he would share the gospel; and they would just shut it down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, for whatever reason, he felt convicted to make a recording\u2014to give one last chance, should he pre-decease them. He made this recording, and he gave it to a Christian friend\u2014he said: \u201cLook, just keep this in case anything ever happens to me. Pull it out at my funeral.\u201d Well, this man was a young man; but he was a passenger on an aircraft, and that aircraft went down. He died in that plane crash. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis Christian friend pulled it out and played it at the funeral. Of the family members that were there\u2014so that\u2019s what?\u2014[six] remaining siblings\u2014they all came to Christ, except for one. His own wife, his own children, his own <em>mother<\/em> came to the Lord, hearing his words that were recorded. In such a glorious way, the Lord took those people\u2014and took their life stories\u2014and made them flourish in the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne in particular is a medical doctor\u2014he and his wife were both medical doctors in New York City. Their world turned upside down. They closed their medical practices; they ended up in the Dominican Republic, where Sr. Miguel Nunez is now pastor of a strong church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s planting churches; he\u2019s doing medicine on the side now. I just love to think about what a great reunion that will be in glory when that brother realizes that seeds he planted have come to fruition in ways he would <em>never<\/em> have dreamed had happened!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMary, you have such a strong conviction about this second hindrance to gratitude that you want to start a national campaign.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I do! \u201cStop the glorification of busy!!\u201d This is something among homemakers, in particular, that we tend to want to one-up each other about: \u201cWell, you think you\u2019ve got a lot going on\u2026\u201d As the mother of only two children, which to me was a full quiver; but to mothers of so many more than that\u2014they have so many plates spinning in the air\u2014that becomes, if we\u2019re not careful, an excuse to be so busy fulfilling that calling of motherhood \/ fulfilling the calling that the Lord has given us to do in our particular circumstances, where we just, frankly, are not intentional about gratitude; because we don\u2019t have time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful that we get to just open the Scriptures\u2014find some inspirational nugget to get us through the day, many times; thank God for our blessings\u2014and feel pretty good about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What I hear you saying in that is that, to really cultivate a grateful heart, we have to cordon off some quiet time\/some contemplative time. If we\u2019re rushed around every day, we\u2019re not going to have margin to even stop and think about the things that we ought to be grateful for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely true. I love Richard Swenson\u2019s work on that word, \u201cmargin,\u201d and how he coined that for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> There\u2019s so much truth in that! I heard a pastor recently talk about the internal race of holiness that we have and the external race of gospel-advance that we read about in Scripture\u2014of advancing the gospel\u2014Paul talks about that. It\u2019s not an either\/or\u2014we\u2019re not supposed to go off into some cloister somewhere and just work on our internal race of holiness, but we\u2019re also to be about this external race of advancing the gospel\u2014doing them <em>both<\/em> and doing them well until Jesus comes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The biblical account of the ten lepers, who were healed,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014that plays into this whole busyness thing that you\u2019re talking about; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It certainly does; and you know, <em>certainly<\/em>, we\u2019d be that one who went back; right? We wouldn\u2019t keep running, having been cured of this horrible disease, and forget to say, \u201cThank you.\u201d But nine out of the ten do. We\u2019ve been cured of something horribly worse than leprosy\u2014we\u2019ve been separated, eternally, from God\u2014now, we\u2019ve been reconciled to Him through Christ. We should be brimming with\u2014overflowing with gratitude.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, I\u2019ve got to believe\u2014because I know your husband and his schedule\u2014and I\u2019m thinking your schedule is pretty intense too\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It is!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014is this just something you\u2019re telling other people to do?\u2014or are you doing something about this yourself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, no; that would be very hypocritical of me. [Laughter] I teach student wives. I am now an empty nester. That is a different phase of life that I share with many other women, including Barbara Rainey, who has done some great work on writing about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThings do change, and you do have more time to set your own schedule. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI try to encourage the student wives that I teach at Southern Seminary that they don\u2019t need to necessarily feel guilty that they don\u2019t have an hour of quiet time every day. For some of them, quiet time is going to the bathroom, locking the door, and having just a few moments, where someone cannot come in and disturb them. [Laughter] That is a season that will not last, and they must not just punt during that season; they must <em>carve<\/em> out the time, not only for gratitude, but for other spiritual disciplines of Bible intake, and of prayer, and all that goes with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when you get to be my age\u2014and you\u2019re a grandmother, and you have more time\u2014then, you get to set the schedule. It is very telling how much a priority you make of that internal race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you find yourself going through seasons, where you\u2019ll get to the end of a week and go, \u201cI have just\u2014I\u2019ve been going so fast that I didn\u2019t carve out the time\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019m probably a little bit unusual in that I\u2019m not one of those people\u2014up at 5:00, who embraces the whole thing of \u201cSeek the Lord early in the morning,\u201d\u2014because I would come back with, \u201cWell, midnight or 12:03 is earlier in the morning than your 5:03 is!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve always taught that the Lord deserves my <em>best <\/em>time of day. For me, that\u2019s not going to be when I first wake up. Maybe that\u2019s because I\u2019m not a coffee drinker or whatever. My day needs to get going first; and then I, purposefully, will set aside the best time of day when my mind is in its best frame of learnedness so that I can open up God\u2019s Word and seek to be taught by Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I teach that\u2014as I teach spiritual disciplines, and I talk about a method that I use for Scripture memorization, and the Bible journal that I use\u2014at the end of all that, I hasten to add to these women, before they go home feeling very inadequate, that I <em>do not <\/em>do all of those things every day. That would be a flat-out lie to say that I do. There are times when I am guilty of letting that external race cramp out the internal race, and that\u2019s just wrong. I have to repent of that and come back to: \u201cHere, is the Lord who made me\u2014He wants to hear from me!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, how do we ever get over the fact that <em>He<\/em> wants to hear from us?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to skip the third one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> People who want to know number three are going to have to get your book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Okay!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to go to the fourth one, which I think is a biggie\u2014it\u2019s <em>doubt<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Explain how that undermines a spirit of thanksgiving and praise. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> This was one where I had to give kind of a disclaimer at the beginning of the chapter; because I had the blessing of being raised in a Christian home, where my earliest memories were in the church. I made a profession of faith at a very early age\u2014an age that I wouldn\u2019t even recommend now. I remember it\u2014I remember it clearly\u2014I remember being baptized, and the Lord has held me fast my entire life. I\u2019ve not drifted away from Him\u2014not really been tempted to do a lot of the things that teenagers do and get into. But that\u2019s my life story, and I\u2019m grateful for the fact that my testimony is a <em>powerful<\/em> one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a little off the topic; but I get irritated with people who say they don\u2019t have a powerful testimony, because it\u2019s one like mine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was hopelessly lost! I was a great little rule-keeper\u2014a goodie-goodie kid\u2014but I could no more save myself than the worst, most-hardened criminal. So every testimony of God\u2019s grace is a miracle. There are people who have been saved from <em>horrible<\/em> life choices, and the Lord turned them around\u2014by His grace, He saved them\u2014but they still struggle with doubt that they can really be forgiven \/ that they can really stand clothed in Christ\u2019s righteousness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI give the example of\u2014it\u2019s like someone, who\u2019s walking into court, and they\u2019re guilty. Here\u2019s someone else, who has come in and said, \u201cI\u2019m going to accept this sentence, and you\u2019re free to go.\u201d That person\u2014instead of being happy about it, and jumping up and down, and being forever grateful, and telling everyone what that person did\u2014it\u2019s like they wake up every morning and worry, \u201cWell, maybe he\u2019s going to change his mind,\u201d or \u201cMaybe I\u2019m going to have to go back to prison after all,\u201d \u201cMaybe I\u2019m really not\u2014maybe my record really isn\u2019t expunged.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s how those who doubt act when they <em>don\u2019t<\/em> want to freely accept what the Lord has given. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey don\u2019t really trust that He is true to His Word and that, when He says that you have been justified and that \u201cYou are safe in My hand forever,\u201d then doubt can definitely be an obstacle to gratitude.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I read somebody on Twitter, just recently, who said, \u201cJesus didn\u2019t just show up in the courtroom with our acquittal papers; He showed up with our adoption papers as well.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely; He did. Praise God!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You stop and you think about gratitude\u2014to be free from the punishment of sin, which we deserve\u2014is enough of a source of gratitude. To be adopted into the house of the King?\u2014I mean, if you can meditate on those two things and <em>not <\/em>get to a place of gratitude, you haven\u2019t thought deeply enough about what we\u2019ve just been talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s so true! How do we begin to get our minds around that?\u2014we can\u2019t, this side of heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I can\u2019t engage in a conversation around doubt without quoting a guy, who made an impact in my life through one of my favorite quotes. His name was Tom Skinner, and here\u2019s what he said about doubt\u2014this was where I was living, Mary; I did struggle with doubts\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I wanted to see it before I would believe it; okay?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But Tom Skinner said this: \u201cI spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts; when suddenly, I realized I\u2019d better come to grips with what I believe. I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape, and it\u2019s a great relief!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, to the person, who\u2019s struggling with doubt and can\u2019t give thanks\u2014may need to take a step back and determine: \u201cWhat do you believe?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cDo you believe what Mary said?\u2014that you once were condemned, but now you are declared to be forgiven?\u201d That has a way of moving the needle\u2014the doubt needle\u2014toward faith\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014causing us to embrace God, and Who He is, and His character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, to the listener, who\u2019s wondering, \u201cSo what do I do with this?\u201d I want to give you an assignment. I want you to turn to Psalm 106, and I want you to go read the punch line in verse 25\u2014it says, \u201cThey murmured in their tents and did not obey the voice of the Lord.\u201d It\u2019s talking about the nation of Israel. They griped, belly-ached, murmured, and groused in their tents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat your assignment, as a listener\u2014go read the previous 24 verses and see if you can find the five things that led them to get to that point\u2014there are some really important things. The first one\u2014I\u2019ll just let you know\u2014is in verse 13: \u201cThey soon forgot His works; they did not wait for His counsel.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This sounds like a sermon you\u2019re getting ready to preach somewhere; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve preached it a few times to my own soul\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because I need to remember what God has done; so that I don\u2019t forget who God is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and I don\u2019t forget to trust Him today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and I just add to the assignment that you\u2019re giving\u2014that folks ought to get a copy of Mary\u2019s book, <em>Growing in Gratitude, <\/em>and go through it\u2014together as a couple; go through it together, as a family; go through it with your small group, or with a group of guys, or a group of women\u2014and start this process of priming the latent or dormant gratitude in your own life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of Mary\u2019s book available in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can order the book, <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>, from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or if you\u2019d like to order by phone, the number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website to order the book, <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>, by Mary Mohler is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, this month of the year gives us an opportunity, as parents, to help train our children in gratitude. Of course, we have to model it before we train\u2014they have to see it in us before they will pick it up and learn it as well\u2014but during the month of November, as Thanksgiving is coming, it\u2019s a good opportunity for us to be thinking thankfully\u2014expressing thanksgiving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis, your wife Barbara wrote a book, a number of years ago, called <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember<\/em> that tells the story of the first Thanksgiving as a way to inspire grateful hearts and to help people understand how, in the midst of hardship, we can still give thanks to God for His blessings. This month, we\u2019re making the audio book of <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember<\/em>\u2014a dramatic re-telling of this story\u2014available for those of you who can help with a donation to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, let me just play a little clip so you can hear what the audio book sounds like. We think this is something the whole family can enjoy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Narrator:<\/strong> The first days of the journey hinted at difficulties to come. The winds were unfavorable, and the ships could not make it out of the English Channel. The passengers, bounced to and fro by the rough waters, became seasick; and then the <em>Speedwell<\/em> began to leak. Sea water seeped through the hull and filled the belly of the ship. Both ships were forced to return to land; this time, to the port of Dartmouth. After a week, repairs were completed on the <em>Speedwell<\/em>; and both ships sailed west.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, as you can tell, it\u2019s a well-done audio book. It\u2019s our gift to you as a way of saying, \u201cThank you for your support of this ministry during the month of November.\u201d You can make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY and donate over the phone. Again, we appreciate your support. FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> is a listener-supported ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWithout your support, this radio program would not exist; so thanks for helping make all of this possible. We hope you enjoy the audio book together, as a family, during November. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk with Mary Mohler about how we give thanks in the midst of trials, and thorns, and struggles in our lives. We\u2019re commanded to do that, so just <em>how<\/em> do we do that? We\u2019ll talk more about that tomorrow. I hope you can be with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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Mohler takes a biblical look at griping, complaining, and grumbling and identifies some gratitude robbers that may be stealing our joy.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-11-06.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re familiar with 1 Thessalonians 5:18?\u2014the verse that says, \u201cIn everything, give thanks, for this is the will of God for you,\u201d\u2014so where\u2019s the disconnect? How come we\u2019re not seeing more gratitude? Here\u2019s Mary Mohler.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Since this <em>is <\/em>such a clear biblical mandate, why do we not see more people talking about it? Why do we, most of all, not see people exhibiting great gratitude on a regular basis? There\u2019ve got to be some hindrances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe one I put at the top of the list is that: \u201cWe\u2019re grateful, but we are conflicted; because we\u2019re pained by the fact that we have loved ones who do not know the Lord. We feel conflicted\u2014being so happy in Christ\u2014when they\u2019re so hopelessly lost.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Tuesday, November 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. Is that one of the things that\u2019s keeping you from giving thanks to God, or are there other hindrances? We\u2019ll explore that with Mary Mohler today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I don\u2019t think of you as a grumpy, grumbler type. You would not classify yourself that way; would you? I mean, I\u2019m thinking about those two\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I know my own heart\u2014that\u2019s the problem.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know, but I\u2019m thinking about those two guys on <em>The Muppet Show<\/em>. Do you remember the two guys, who would sit in the balcony, on <em>The Muppet Show<\/em>? Did you ever watch <em>The Muppet Show<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did, but was it Grouchy?\u2014was he one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No! There are two guys\u2014now, you\u2019re thinking of <em>Sesame Street<\/em> and Oscar the Grouch\u2014is what I think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; that was a puppet too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of the two critics, who would sit there in the back\u2014and whatever would go on, they\u2019d just grumble about what they had just seen; and they would denigrate it. There are people like that, who\u2014whatever\u2014you tell them that their favorite team just won the World Series\u2014and they go, \u201cYeah; but next year, they\u2019re going to be terrible!\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know people like that. You\u2019re not one of those people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m not; but I must have it in my DNA, because I gave birth to six kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\u2014and what are you saying about that?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh! Did you hear that?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I said, \u201cDid you give birth to six children?\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe we should get Barbara in here! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; well, we should.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think so!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did I say, \u201cI\u201d or \u201cwe\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> You said, \u201cI.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; you said, \u201cI gave birth to six kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; let\u2019s correct that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No! Let\u2019s leave it! Barbara gave birth; you take the credit. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s give the credit where it\u2019s due! We did have six kids\u2014but we would go on vacation\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just introduce our guest, though, here. Mary Mohler joins us, again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. She\u2019s the author of <em>Growing in Gratitude: Rediscovering the Joy of a Thankful Heart.<\/em> Welcome back, Mary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Thank you so much. Glad to be here!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She lives in Louisville, where she\u2019s married to Al Mohler since 1983\u2014two children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014two grandchildren\u2014let\u2019s not leave them off!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Ahhhh, two grandchildren!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to mention them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Where I wanted to go was\u2014at the beginning of our vacations, Mary\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014we would create a little jar. Back then, I think it was a quarter jar.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We would fill it with about ten bucks\u2019 worth of quarters. Six kids into ten bucks; they could each end up with, you know, $1.50 or something like that to go get an ice cream cone. That was back when $1.50 would do that; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right! Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So we would start out the vacation; and we would say: \u201cWe\u2019re going to eradicate griping, grumbling, and disputing on this trip. So, the first time we hear you griping about obeying or griping about your brother or sister, we\u2019re going to take a quarter out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oooh; how did that go?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cAnd if you gripe about the quarter coming out, we\u2019re going to take <em>another<\/em> quarter out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, tough!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And this really, really worked\u2014it got the vacation started off on the right foot. Now, I wish I could tell you that, because we practiced that, that took care of it for the rest of the existence of time on earth\u2014it didn\u2019t! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> And now, you\u2019re telling me that your kids, when they go on vacation, do this with their kids; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I would imagine\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s generational now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I would imagine they would. That\u2019s why I answered Bob the way I did\u2014they had to get it from somebody. They didn\u2019t get it from Barbara. [Laughter] They had to get this DNA from someone\u2014griping, grumbling, and disputing. It\u2019s a disease of the human heart; isn\u2019t it, Mary? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It is; and some people will try to attribute that to kind of an Eeyore mentality\u2014that it\u2019s in the genes\u2014that some people are just born that way; you know? I also make the argument\u2014like: \u201cMaybe there are just some parents who just nail this life lesson better than others did with their kids,\u201d \u201cMaybe some just\u2014you know, they have the gene for it\u2014to be grateful and not grumpy,\u201d \u201cMaybe some are just like the Eeyore, that can manage to find a storm cloud on a clear day.\u201d [Laughter] But that is not, biblically, how we are to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe go back to the passage that we started with\u2014that I start and end the book with\u2014in Colossians 2. It talks about how: \u201cAs we have received Christ the Lord\u201d\u2014Christ Jesus the Lord\u2014\u201cso we walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him, and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.\u201d The Greek scholars tell us that that abounding means\u2014it connotes the idea of us spilling over with gratitude. It\u2019s not like we\u2019re half-full of it \/ three-quarters of the way full; it\u2019s: \u201cIf you bump into us, gratitude spills out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s impossible to be grumpy if you are filled up with gratitude as we are commanded to be through God\u2019s Holy Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the treasures of your book, <em>Growing in Gratitude, <\/em>is that you help us identify gratitude robbers\u2014things that make gratitude difficult \/ things that hinder us from being grateful. So give us an example of something that would hinder us from gratitude. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Sure; I\u2019m glad to. I have to say that I started to pinpoint these; because it became very unsettling to me that, since this is such a clear biblical mandate, why do we not see more people talking about it? Why do we, most of all, not see people exhibiting great gratitude on a regular basis?\u2014there\u2019ve got to be some hindrances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI came up with a list of four. You know, your list of four may be completely different than mine\u2014this is not exhaustive\u2014but the one I\u2019d put at the top of the list is that: \u201cWe\u2019re grateful, but we are conflicted; because we\u2019re pained by the fact that we have loved ones who do not know the Lord. We feel conflicted\u2014being so happy in Christ\u2014when they\u2019re so hopelessly lost,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s a huge concern. Those who have prodigal children know what a concern that is. You almost feel guilty feeling grateful, which is completely counterintuitive and wrong, but that\u2019s one obstacle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA second one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, hang on; before you go to a second one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014just help me with this a little bit; because there are people in my life\u2014I\u2019m burdened for them to come to know the Lord. If they are family members; if they are children; or if there are parents, who are approaching death, this can be a burden on somebody\u2019s heart. How do we cultivate <em>gratitude<\/em> if we\u2019ve got a parent, who is in hospice, who doesn\u2019t know the Lord? Where do you find gratitude in the midst of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s a huge, huge obstacle. I consider this one to be <em>the <\/em>most serious. I think that we would almost sooner\u2014if we were in control, which we\u2019re not, deal with a life-threatening illness to ourselves or to a loved one, who\u2019s in the Lord, than deal with a healthy person\u2014seemingly, physically healthy\u2014who has just slammed the door on the gospel so many times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are no quick, pat answers to this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis does become a trust issue: \u201cDo you trust the Lord, or do you not? Do you believe that He loves that loved one more than you do, or do you not? I mean, He created that person in His own image; He is working His plan in ways that we do not know, or will not understand, this side of heaven. So we keep on praying; we keep on trusting.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI give a quote about how seeds that we plant now may lie under the ground until we do\u2014until we\u2019re dead and in the ground\u2014and then, that may be the perfect time that the Lord chooses for those seeds to sprout, and grow up, and break through that ground. What a glorious thing it is\u2014when we would write somebody off\u2014that: \u201cThere\u2019s no way that person\u2019s coming back to the Lord,\u201d and they do in a tremendously glorious way that honors the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have a friend of mine\u2014burdened for his mom for years. She was pretty stubborn in her resistance to the gospel in spite of her son\u2019s love and care for her. In the last three weeks of her life, in a conversation with a granddaughter, the light came into her soul. She recognized her sin, and she turned, and she repented. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis son thought to himself, \u201cThis will never happen.\u201d But God\u2019s grace can penetrate the most stubborn, hardened heart. As long as somebody still has life and breath, the story\u2019s not over; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely! And we don\u2019t know\u2014I mean, we\u2019ve got that very short account that\u2019s given to us, just in one of the gospels, of how that thief on the cross\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014you know, is with the Lord in paradise. Look at what a horrible life he lived; and moments before he died, we know that the Lord saved him. Only the Lord knows the heart. So, in those end of life cases, we have to keep on praying \/ keep on trusting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I advise even <em>dreaming<\/em> about what it would look like for that person to come to Christ: \u201cIt seems so bad now, but look what could happen if that person were in these circumstances, and then the Lord draws him to Himself, and that person is then able to go to others, who\u2019ve been in that circumstance, and say, \u2018You know, I was there, too; and here\u2019s how the Lord transformed me.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Parents of prodigals\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014struggle with this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to have gratitude for who God is when a child is wandering\u2014it is a hard place to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s a super-hard place to be. It\u2019s one of those places where the Lord can use that to draw us closer to Him, even though that also sounds counterintuitive\u2014that our trust has to be so strong in Him\u2014that we really believe what we\u2019re reading in this precious Book that He has given us\u2014that He has preserved for us for centuries so that we don\u2019t have to wonder\u2014but we <em>know<\/em> who He is. He is God, and we are not! Our thoughts are not His thoughts; our ways are not His ways\u2014He\u2019s in charge!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You tell a story in the book about a father of seven\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes! I love that story!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and he was a believer\u2014but none of his kids were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He was; he was a believer; his wife was not. He had one son, of the seven, who came to Christ before he died. He died with one son trusting the Lord, and that son then felt so burdened for his remaining family. Time and time again, he would share the gospel; and they would just shut it down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, for whatever reason, he felt convicted to make a recording\u2014to give one last chance, should he pre-decease them. He made this recording, and he gave it to a Christian friend\u2014he said: \u201cLook, just keep this in case anything ever happens to me. Pull it out at my funeral.\u201d Well, this man was a young man; but he was a passenger on an aircraft, and that aircraft went down. He died in that plane crash. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis Christian friend pulled it out and played it at the funeral. Of the family members that were there\u2014so that\u2019s what?\u2014[six] remaining siblings\u2014they all came to Christ, except for one. His own wife, his own children, his own <em>mother<\/em> came to the Lord, hearing his words that were recorded. In such a glorious way, the Lord took those people\u2014and took their life stories\u2014and made them flourish in the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne in particular is a medical doctor\u2014he and his wife were both medical doctors in New York City. Their world turned upside down. They closed their medical practices; they ended up in the Dominican Republic, where Sr. Miguel Nunez is now pastor of a strong church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s planting churches; he\u2019s doing medicine on the side now. I just love to think about what a great reunion that will be in glory when that brother realizes that seeds he planted have come to fruition in ways he would <em>never<\/em> have dreamed had happened!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMary, you have such a strong conviction about this second hindrance to gratitude that you want to start a national campaign.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I do! \u201cStop the glorification of busy!!\u201d This is something among homemakers, in particular, that we tend to want to one-up each other about: \u201cWell, you think you\u2019ve got a lot going on\u2026\u201d As the mother of only two children, which to me was a full quiver; but to mothers of so many more than that\u2014they have so many plates spinning in the air\u2014that becomes, if we\u2019re not careful, an excuse to be so busy fulfilling that calling of motherhood \/ fulfilling the calling that the Lord has given us to do in our particular circumstances, where we just, frankly, are not intentional about gratitude; because we don\u2019t have time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful that we get to just open the Scriptures\u2014find some inspirational nugget to get us through the day, many times; thank God for our blessings\u2014and feel pretty good about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What I hear you saying in that is that, to really cultivate a grateful heart, we have to cordon off some quiet time\/some contemplative time. If we\u2019re rushed around every day, we\u2019re not going to have margin to even stop and think about the things that we ought to be grateful for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely true. I love Richard Swenson\u2019s work on that word, \u201cmargin,\u201d and how he coined that for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> There\u2019s so much truth in that! I heard a pastor recently talk about the internal race of holiness that we have and the external race of gospel-advance that we read about in Scripture\u2014of advancing the gospel\u2014Paul talks about that. It\u2019s not an either\/or\u2014we\u2019re not supposed to go off into some cloister somewhere and just work on our internal race of holiness, but we\u2019re also to be about this external race of advancing the gospel\u2014doing them <em>both<\/em> and doing them well until Jesus comes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The biblical account of the ten lepers, who were healed,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014that plays into this whole busyness thing that you\u2019re talking about; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It certainly does; and you know, <em>certainly<\/em>, we\u2019d be that one who went back; right? We wouldn\u2019t keep running, having been cured of this horrible disease, and forget to say, \u201cThank you.\u201d But nine out of the ten do. We\u2019ve been cured of something horribly worse than leprosy\u2014we\u2019ve been separated, eternally, from God\u2014now, we\u2019ve been reconciled to Him through Christ. We should be brimming with\u2014overflowing with gratitude.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, I\u2019ve got to believe\u2014because I know your husband and his schedule\u2014and I\u2019m thinking your schedule is pretty intense too\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It is!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014is this just something you\u2019re telling other people to do?\u2014or are you doing something about this yourself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, no; that would be very hypocritical of me. [Laughter] I teach student wives. I am now an empty nester. That is a different phase of life that I share with many other women, including Barbara Rainey, who has done some great work on writing about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThings do change, and you do have more time to set your own schedule. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI try to encourage the student wives that I teach at Southern Seminary that they don\u2019t need to necessarily feel guilty that they don\u2019t have an hour of quiet time every day. For some of them, quiet time is going to the bathroom, locking the door, and having just a few moments, where someone cannot come in and disturb them. [Laughter] That is a season that will not last, and they must not just punt during that season; they must <em>carve<\/em> out the time, not only for gratitude, but for other spiritual disciplines of Bible intake, and of prayer, and all that goes with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when you get to be my age\u2014and you\u2019re a grandmother, and you have more time\u2014then, you get to set the schedule. It is very telling how much a priority you make of that internal race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you find yourself going through seasons, where you\u2019ll get to the end of a week and go, \u201cI have just\u2014I\u2019ve been going so fast that I didn\u2019t carve out the time\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019m probably a little bit unusual in that I\u2019m not one of those people\u2014up at 5:00, who embraces the whole thing of \u201cSeek the Lord early in the morning,\u201d\u2014because I would come back with, \u201cWell, midnight or 12:03 is earlier in the morning than your 5:03 is!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve always taught that the Lord deserves my <em>best <\/em>time of day. For me, that\u2019s not going to be when I first wake up. Maybe that\u2019s because I\u2019m not a coffee drinker or whatever. My day needs to get going first; and then I, purposefully, will set aside the best time of day when my mind is in its best frame of learnedness so that I can open up God\u2019s Word and seek to be taught by Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I teach that\u2014as I teach spiritual disciplines, and I talk about a method that I use for Scripture memorization, and the Bible journal that I use\u2014at the end of all that, I hasten to add to these women, before they go home feeling very inadequate, that I <em>do not <\/em>do all of those things every day. That would be a flat-out lie to say that I do. There are times when I am guilty of letting that external race cramp out the internal race, and that\u2019s just wrong. I have to repent of that and come back to: \u201cHere, is the Lord who made me\u2014He wants to hear from me!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, how do we ever get over the fact that <em>He<\/em> wants to hear from us?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to skip the third one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> People who want to know number three are going to have to get your book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Okay!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to go to the fourth one, which I think is a biggie\u2014it\u2019s <em>doubt<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Explain how that undermines a spirit of thanksgiving and praise. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> This was one where I had to give kind of a disclaimer at the beginning of the chapter; because I had the blessing of being raised in a Christian home, where my earliest memories were in the church. I made a profession of faith at a very early age\u2014an age that I wouldn\u2019t even recommend now. I remember it\u2014I remember it clearly\u2014I remember being baptized, and the Lord has held me fast my entire life. I\u2019ve not drifted away from Him\u2014not really been tempted to do a lot of the things that teenagers do and get into. But that\u2019s my life story, and I\u2019m grateful for the fact that my testimony is a <em>powerful<\/em> one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a little off the topic; but I get irritated with people who say they don\u2019t have a powerful testimony, because it\u2019s one like mine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was hopelessly lost! I was a great little rule-keeper\u2014a goodie-goodie kid\u2014but I could no more save myself than the worst, most-hardened criminal. So every testimony of God\u2019s grace is a miracle. There are people who have been saved from <em>horrible<\/em> life choices, and the Lord turned them around\u2014by His grace, He saved them\u2014but they still struggle with doubt that they can really be forgiven \/ that they can really stand clothed in Christ\u2019s righteousness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI give the example of\u2014it\u2019s like someone, who\u2019s walking into court, and they\u2019re guilty. Here\u2019s someone else, who has come in and said, \u201cI\u2019m going to accept this sentence, and you\u2019re free to go.\u201d That person\u2014instead of being happy about it, and jumping up and down, and being forever grateful, and telling everyone what that person did\u2014it\u2019s like they wake up every morning and worry, \u201cWell, maybe he\u2019s going to change his mind,\u201d or \u201cMaybe I\u2019m going to have to go back to prison after all,\u201d \u201cMaybe I\u2019m really not\u2014maybe my record really isn\u2019t expunged.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s how those who doubt act when they <em>don\u2019t<\/em> want to freely accept what the Lord has given. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey don\u2019t really trust that He is true to His Word and that, when He says that you have been justified and that \u201cYou are safe in My hand forever,\u201d then doubt can definitely be an obstacle to gratitude.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I read somebody on Twitter, just recently, who said, \u201cJesus didn\u2019t just show up in the courtroom with our acquittal papers; He showed up with our adoption papers as well.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely; He did. Praise God!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You stop and you think about gratitude\u2014to be free from the punishment of sin, which we deserve\u2014is enough of a source of gratitude. To be adopted into the house of the King?\u2014I mean, if you can meditate on those two things and <em>not <\/em>get to a place of gratitude, you haven\u2019t thought deeply enough about what we\u2019ve just been talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s so true! How do we begin to get our minds around that?\u2014we can\u2019t, this side of heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I can\u2019t engage in a conversation around doubt without quoting a guy, who made an impact in my life through one of my favorite quotes. His name was Tom Skinner, and here\u2019s what he said about doubt\u2014this was where I was living, Mary; I did struggle with doubts\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I wanted to see it before I would believe it; okay?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But Tom Skinner said this: \u201cI spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts; when suddenly, I realized I\u2019d better come to grips with what I believe. I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape, and it\u2019s a great relief!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, to the person, who\u2019s struggling with doubt and can\u2019t give thanks\u2014may need to take a step back and determine: \u201cWhat do you believe?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cDo you believe what Mary said?\u2014that you once were condemned, but now you are declared to be forgiven?\u201d That has a way of moving the needle\u2014the doubt needle\u2014toward faith\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014causing us to embrace God, and Who He is, and His character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, to the listener, who\u2019s wondering, \u201cSo what do I do with this?\u201d I want to give you an assignment. I want you to turn to Psalm 106, and I want you to go read the punch line in verse 25\u2014it says, \u201cThey murmured in their tents and did not obey the voice of the Lord.\u201d It\u2019s talking about the nation of Israel. They griped, belly-ached, murmured, and groused in their tents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat your assignment, as a listener\u2014go read the previous 24 verses and see if you can find the five things that led them to get to that point\u2014there are some really important things. The first one\u2014I\u2019ll just let you know\u2014is in verse 13: \u201cThey soon forgot His works; they did not wait for His counsel.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This sounds like a sermon you\u2019re getting ready to preach somewhere; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve preached it a few times to my own soul\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because I need to remember what God has done; so that I don\u2019t forget who God is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and I don\u2019t forget to trust Him today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and I just add to the assignment that you\u2019re giving\u2014that folks ought to get a copy of Mary\u2019s book, <em>Growing in Gratitude, <\/em>and go through it\u2014together as a couple; go through it together, as a family; go through it with your small group, or with a group of guys, or a group of women\u2014and start this process of priming the latent or dormant gratitude in your own life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of Mary\u2019s book available in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can order the book, <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>, from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or if you\u2019d like to order by phone, the number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website to order the book, <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>, by Mary Mohler is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, this month of the year gives us an opportunity, as parents, to help train our children in gratitude. Of course, we have to model it before we train\u2014they have to see it in us before they will pick it up and learn it as well\u2014but during the month of November, as Thanksgiving is coming, it\u2019s a good opportunity for us to be thinking thankfully\u2014expressing thanksgiving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis, your wife Barbara wrote a book, a number of years ago, called <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember<\/em> that tells the story of the first Thanksgiving as a way to inspire grateful hearts and to help people understand how, in the midst of hardship, we can still give thanks to God for His blessings. This month, we\u2019re making the audio book of <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember<\/em>\u2014a dramatic re-telling of this story\u2014available for those of you who can help with a donation to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, let me just play a little clip so you can hear what the audio book sounds like. We think this is something the whole family can enjoy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Narrator:<\/strong> The first days of the journey hinted at difficulties to come. The winds were unfavorable, and the ships could not make it out of the English Channel. The passengers, bounced to and fro by the rough waters, became seasick; and then the <em>Speedwell<\/em> began to leak. Sea water seeped through the hull and filled the belly of the ship. Both ships were forced to return to land; this time, to the port of Dartmouth. After a week, repairs were completed on the <em>Speedwell<\/em>; and both ships sailed west.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, as you can tell, it\u2019s a well-done audio book. It\u2019s our gift to you as a way of saying, \u201cThank you for your support of this ministry during the month of November.\u201d You can make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY and donate over the phone. Again, we appreciate your support. FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> is a listener-supported ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWithout your support, this radio program would not exist; so thanks for helping make all of this possible. We hope you enjoy the audio book together, as a family, during November. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk with Mary Mohler about how we give thanks in the midst of trials, and thorns, and struggles in our lives. We\u2019re commanded to do that, so just <em>how<\/em> do we do that? We\u2019ll talk more about that tomorrow. I hope you can be with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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