{"id":300445,"date":"2018-11-05T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-11-05T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/training-your-heart-to-be-grateful\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:37","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:37","slug":"training-your-heart-to-be-grateful","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/training-your-heart-to-be-grateful\/","title":{"rendered":"Training Your Heart to be Grateful"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Are you a grateful person? Author Mary Mohler reminds us gratefulness isn&#8217;t an option for the Christian. 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Mary Mohler says that\u2019s when we turn to the Book of Psalms and we begin to use the words of the Bible as our language of praise.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> <a id=\"_Hlk528273237\">It is hard to praise the Lord with your whole heart when you have a grumbling attitude \/ when you don\u2019t understand why things are happening as they are. So that\u2019s when, as I suggest, you keep praying those verses in Psalms back to the Lord; and do it until you mean it. Don\u2019t come away from it until you actually <em>mean<\/em> what you\u2019re saying.<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, November 5<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. How do we, as the hymn writer says, tune our hearts to sing his praise? That involves gratitude as we\u2019ll hear about today from Mary Mohler. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a little dispute about the correct pronunciation of the hometown where our guest is from. How do you say it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>LOO-ih vil. How do you pronounce it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> LOO-uh vul. It\u2019s the full double-mumble approach that I think is the right approach today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And our guest, Mary Mohler, lives there. So how do <em>you<\/em> pronounce it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> As a resident for most of my life, I proudly pronounce it LOO-ee vil, Kentucky. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> According to Bob, that is not the biblically-approved way to pronounce\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No, no; it\u2019s not the original dialect you see you\u2019re going with. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Well, that may be true. There are t-shirts in Louisville with five different lines on them that give you one that you can choose from, and I choose LOO-ee vil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> LOO-ee vil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Mary, we are thrilled to have you here on the broadcast. Your husband, Al, has been here before several times. We\u2019re excited to have you here as well. Mary is the wife of Al Mohler\u2014been married since 1983. They have a couple of children who are adults. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe is the founder and director of the Seminary Wives Institute at The Southern Baptist Seminary in <em>LOO-ih vil<\/em>, Kentucky. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s correct. [Laughter] The Southern Baptist <em>Theological<\/em> Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, to be technical. I\u2019m honored to be here. Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it. She has written a book called <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>. I just wanted to ask you, right out of the gate, are you a grateful person?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I pray so, and I\u2019m more grateful having written this book. It\u2019s taught me more than my readers will ever learn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is it your nature to be grateful?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I would say probably not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So this didn\u2019t come out of what you would call a strength.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This has been an area of growth for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So what do you want our listeners to know about gratitude? You say it\u2019s an intensely theological issue.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It is. There\u2019s so much more to it than just being thankful\u2014counting your blessings, saying: \u201cI know we\u2019re supposed to do that\u2014it\u2019s mandated in Scripture. Okay; you\u2019re right. I\u2019ll do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cNow, let\u2019s talk about more serious items that are on our list of things to do\u2014okay; I\u2019ll be more grateful.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the more I started looking into this\u2014and felt convicted to research this and do some speaking and writing about it\u2014the more I learned, of really, what a deeply theological issue it is and how telling it is\u2014of how much gratitude really has a part of our lives as believers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You say it has a deep sense of awe about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Explain what you mean by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> As believers, you have to just go to Scripture and realize how hopelessly lost we were. Go to Ephesians 2, and we were lost; [hopelessly] unable to save ourselves. Then, in the middle of that passage, we have those two words: \u201c<em>But God<\/em>\u201d\u2014\u201cBut God, being rich in mercy, because of the love that He had for us, made a way for us to be reconciled to Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have such an <em>amazing<\/em> debt we can never repay. We have been reconciled to God forever. Colossians 3 says that our lives are hidden with Christ in God\u2014nothing\u2014no one can ever change that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo our lives should be overflowing in gratitude. For many of us, as believers, it\u2019s really not. It\u2019s something that we don\u2019t give much time or effort to. It\u2019s just kind of in the background of: \u201cYes; I\u2019m supposed to do that. I\u2019ll do better.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You quote one of my favorite verses\u2014in Colossians, Chapter 2, verse 6. I don\u2019t think I had made the connection as clearly as you made it. Let me just read this passage for our listeners: \u201cTherefore, as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.\u201d I really had never noticed that there is a tie to us being reconciled to God through Jesus Christ and that we ought to be the most grateful people on the planet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s absolutely true. I start the book with that passage; I end the book with that passage. When I sign the book, I put that as the verse; because, to me, that is such a great summary of what I\u2019m talking about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve been bought with a price\u2014we can never repay that. We should just be\u2014and I say this several times in the book too\u2014I don\u2019t mean we need to walk around with some big cheesy smile on our faces all the time that people wonder what we\u2019re up to. But this is just a <em>mindset<\/em> that we have to train our thinking\u2014that at the very forefront of our minds is an overwhelming feeling of gratitude in <em>every<\/em> situation\u2014in good times and in bad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou have to kind of go through the book to see how I walk through\u2014how I\u2019m not suggesting that, when life is hard and you\u2019re dealing with difficult circumstances, that you\u2019re just this kind of happy clappy: \u201cOh well, God\u2019s on His throne. Everything\u2019s fine.\u201d That\u2019s not the kind of gratitude I\u2019m talking about. But it is that feeling that we retrain our thinking to be grateful people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When we\u2019re thinking about the eternal realities that you\u2019re drawing us back to here, those are real and those are things we need to be rehearsing and remembering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut in the midst of the day to day\u2014the realities of life \/ the hardships that we face on a daily basis\u2014and you talk to people, all the time, going through very difficult circumstances\u2014the reality of gratitude, in the midst of some of life\u2019s curveballs, can be really challenging for people. You\u2019ve experienced times in your life\u2014in your marriage, in raising your kids, in the work at Southern Seminary\u2014where it had to be hard to think, \u201cI\u2019m supposed to be <em>grateful<\/em> today with all that\u2019s going on here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s certainly true. You don\u2019t have to look far to either see people who seem to be breezing through life without adversity or to look to the other side and to see people you can\u2019t believe are able to put one foot in front of the other. But in all of those cases\u2014there are no asterisks in any of this\u2014we are to train ourselves to refocus our minds so that we are considering the perfect love of Christ <em>first<\/em> and, then, we\u2019re reflecting on our circumstances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we get that backwards\u2014and we are constantly, <em>first<\/em>, going to: \u201cHere\u2019s the circumstances that I\u2019m walking through. How does that reflect on this perfect love that God is to have for me?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhy\u2014if that\u2019s true, then that\u2019s faulty; and we get into this rabbit hole of\u2014just some people never get out of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You and Al went through a circumstance that is one many in our audience are not unfamiliar with\u2014infertility.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If we could have visited you during that time, would you have said you were practicing thanksgiving at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, probably not and not well; because, in seminary, you look around and it\u2019s\u2014you know, they joke that it\u2019s in the water because everybody\u2019s pregnant, except for us. It\u2019s not something that you talk about with everyone you meet; so we would pick up from some couples that: \u201cOh, we just kind of thought we heard the Mohlers didn\u2019t want to have children,\u201d or\u2014which couldn\u2019t have been farther from the truth. To say that I walked through that with a sense of awe and gratitude that the Lord\u2019s timing is perfect and that He had a reason in all of this would be less than true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, if you could go back today\u2014after writing the book \/ speaking on it\u2014and you could talk to a young Mary Mohler about what she was walking through, what counsel would you give her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I would have to just take her to Scripture, which is where I should have been, more faithfully, in terms of looking specifically for trusting the Lord. I mean, this ends up being a trust issue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you look at any one of the four obstacles that I outline in my book\u2014as to <em>why<\/em> we\u2019re not just doing this so well\u2014it all comes down to: \u201cDo you trust the Lord or do you not? Do you not believe what we read in Romans 8:31-39?\u2014that there\u2019s <em>nothing<\/em> that can separate us from His love?\u201d That\u2014as Paul David Tripp says\u2014that it\u2019s gospel irrationality to think that the Lord has saved us and between, when we\u2019ve become justified and when we\u2019ll become glorified, that there\u2019s going to be any time in there when we are not held in His hand. So that\u2019s what I would tell her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been spending a lot of time in the Psalms; and until I looked at your book, I don\u2019t think I\u2019d ever connected that praise is really the Old Testament word for what the New Testament calls being grateful or being thankful. Do you agree?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I agree; and you\u2014just as you say\u2014you go through the Psalms and its <em>replete<\/em> with this command over, and over, and over again. It\u2019s like: \u201cWe just don\u2019t get it; so let me say it another way.\u201d David comes up with a different way, inspired by the Holy Spirit, to remind us that we are to have\u2014whether he\u2019s talking about praising the Lord \/ whether he\u2019s talking about thanking Him with our whole heart\u2014just meditate on that for a while. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is hard to praise the Lord with your whole heart when you have a grumbling attitude when you don\u2019t understand why things are happening as they are. So that\u2019s when, as I suggest, you keep praying those verses in Psalms back to the Lord and do it until you mean it. Don\u2019t come away from it until you actually <em>mean<\/em> what you\u2019re saying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not natural to praise God when you\u2019re facing <em>impossible<\/em> circumstances, difficult circumstances, <em>painful<\/em> circumstances that aren\u2019t going to go away any time soon. You\u2019ve got to face them, and you have to deal with your own heart in the process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> And you can\u2019t reach out to others when you\u2019re being hypocritical about your own thorns that you\u2019re dealing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s when we look to Scripture for wisdom, and that\u2019s where we try to\u2014as we accept what the Lord has given to us. I love one of the verses that we can turn to in the New Testament\u2014in 1 Corinthians 7:17, it says, \u201cLet each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him.\u201d We have to come to a point where we realize: \u201cThis is not the calling that the Lord has given to <em>you<\/em>, or to you, or to you; but He\u2019s given it to <em>me<\/em> for this season. There has to be some good in this. God is <em>always<\/em> good, <em>always<\/em> just, always kind. He loves me more than I can ever, ever imagine.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where you just have to step back and, again, discipline your thinking to not make this a big black cloud that is following you around but is going to be used, by the Lord, in ways that you <em>will<\/em> understand one day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mary, I\u2019ve always marveled at the fact that the Book of Philippians is thought of as the epistle of joy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Paul talks about joy over and over in that epistle. He begins most of his letters to New Testament churches with \u201cI thank God in all my remembrance of you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And then I remember where Paul was when he wrote Philippians\u2014he\u2019s in a hole in the ground\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014chained to Roman guards, not getting humane treatment. You just stop and consider his circumstances; and it\u2019s in that book that he says, \u201cI\u2019ve learned the secret of being content.\u201d Paul, somehow, figured out how to be <em>grateful<\/em>. What did he know that we don\u2019t know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Well, he also says in that same letter that \u201cHe who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it,\u201d and he believed that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> And we also read in several places, including 1 Corinthians, about the thorn in the flesh that Paul had\u2014that he asked the Lord <em>three<\/em> <em>times<\/em> for it to be removed, and it wasn\u2019t; so he pressed on. As you say, the conditions in which he lived were so deplorable and, yet, he continued to trust in the Lord and to realize that the Lord would be faithful to complete this work that He began in him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So do we have to somehow minimize our circumstances in order to get to gratitude?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr do we embrace the circumstances, fully, and try to find gratitude in the midst of them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think we minimize it so much as we put to the forefront of our mind gratitude\u2014we\u2019ve got that as the default. From there, we go to: \u201cOkay; this is what\u2019s on my plate now\u2014these are my circumstances; this is my thorn,\u201d\u2014however you want to look at it. Whether it\u2019s a temporary situation, or whether it seems to be a chronic problem, whether it\u2019s a relationship\u2014whatever it is\u2014the commands are still there for you to be grateful. Those commands are still there for you to praise the Lord with your whole heart, and that\u2019s going to be more difficult to do under adversity. But as Paul illustrated so beautifully, it is both possible and very doable\u2014to God\u2019s glory.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think we\u2019re supposed to minimize our circumstances. Sometimes, they\u2019re so big; there is no minimizing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Instead, I think what we are to do is to maximize who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As I would read through the Psalms over, and over, and over again, I would say, \u201cBut God, I don\u2019t feel like giving thanks in all things,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014speaking of the Apostle Paul, over in 1 Thessalonians, Chapter 5, verses 16-18\u2014it says, \u201cRejoice always; pray without ceasing; give thanks in all circumstances\u201d; and then\u2014this sounds a little bit like the passage you just read from 1 Corinthians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes; \u201cThis is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus\u201d; yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly; so: \u201cWill you embrace this?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s tough, Bob. When you\u2019re in the circumstance, they\u2019re painful\u2014you want out of it\u2014but a lot of life is lived where we\u2019re talking about right here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> But Paul is just so clear; and you don\u2019t have to be a Greek scholar to understand what he is saying there when he says: \u201crejoice,\u201d \u201cgive thanks,\u201d \u201cpray,\u201d\u2014and at the end of it\u2014\u201cfor this is the will of God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the reason: There are whole books written about how to know the will of God. Well, he\u2019s got it here in a nutshell for us\u2014that we do these three things. That\u2019s not really over simplifying. That\u2019s a tough challenge <em>to do<\/em> those three things, consistently, and to come away with an overwhelming trust in our Creator who loves us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A couple of years ago, Ann Voskamp wrote a book that kind of took the world by storm\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014<em>A Thousand Gifts<\/em>, where she\u2019s just recounting things for which she is grateful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you think that that practice of being intentionally observant about the things in our lives, for which we ought to be grateful, is that a healthy spiritual discipline for us to practice?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I think it is. I think it\u2019s biblical for us to regularly count our blessings and enumerate those before the Lord; but I would answer that question differently than I would have before I wrote the book, and before I started speaking on this, and the Lord began to teach me so much about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m so grateful for saints who\u2019ve gone before, like the great Puritan, Jonathan Edwards. He\u2019s the one who actually put into words that there are two different forms of gratitude. You\u2019ve got this natural gratitude\u2014that we\u2019re all familiar with\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014which is thanking God for the blessings we receive; and yes, we need to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there is a <em>second<\/em> level that\u2019s called \u201cgracious gratitude\u201d that is thankfulness for God, Himself, for who He is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> This one\u2019s the primary one\u2014it\u2019s deeper; it\u2019s relational\u2014our relationship with God. It\u2019s not conditional upon what He\u2019s given to us\u2014it\u2019s for His character and who He is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, personally, when I now seek to praise the Lord on a daily basis in prayer\u2014and I have a blessing journal, where I have a list of things for which I am thankful\u2014I\u2019ve completely redone that list. I have vaulted to the top of that list the attributes of God. I want to thank Him, first of all, for who He is. Below that I have a list of things that are, not unique just to the Lord, that are characteristic of Him\u2014of being faithful, and patient, and kind, and gentle\u2014and He is <em>always<\/em> all of those things\u2014but I can also <em>learn<\/em> to be patient, and holy, and kind, and gentle. I will never learn to be omniscient, or omnipotent, or sovereign. It\u2019s kind of a\u2014two different lists. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI try to work through those before I ever get to \u201cOh, and thank you for my good health,\u201d and \u201cThank you for my family,\u201d and \u201c\u2026my possessions,\u201d and all of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If our gratitude is based on how life is going\u2014the fact that the sun is out today, my health is good, my kids are obeying \/ whatever it is\u2014then tomorrow, when it\u2019s cloudy, and I got a cough, and the kids aren\u2019t obeying\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; it\u2019s conditional.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014then, all of a sudden, what happens to my gratitude?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. If my gratitude is found <em>in Him<\/em>, then tomorrow, when it\u2019s cloudy, I\u2019m still thankful that God is who He is on cloudy days. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking of Job and his wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and Job\u2019s wife says: \u201cBased on circumstances, don\u2019t be grateful. Curse God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u201cCurse God and die\u201d; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and he said, \u201cNo; I\u2019m going to bless God in the good days, and I\u2019m going to bless God in the bad days; because blessed be the name of the Lord.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely. This gracious gratitude can be transformational when you <em>train<\/em> yourself to think that way. It\u2019s just something I had never read about before\u2014to where we need to be very intentional because it\u2019s not something we will naturally do\u2014to thank God for who He is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, in the book, I tell the story about the guy that\u2019s so nervous about asking his wife\u2014future wife\u2014to marry him. He buys the ring, and he gets down on one knee, and he does all of that. She is so thrilled with this ring. He asks her to marry him; and she quickly says, \u201cYes!\u201d but then she just can\u2019t stop talking about the ring. She goes into all of its attributes\u2014its color, and its clarity, and all of this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s relieved, because he spent a lot of money on this ring\u2014she likes it\u2014but \u201cOkay; what about me?\u201d He\u2019s carefully rehearsed what he wanted to say; but now, she has a chance to tell him words that he, hopefully, will never forget of this moment; and they never come, because all she\u2019s consumed with is the ring. He\u2019d be foolish to marry a woman like that; because she just knows he has a great taste in jewelry, but he does not know what she thinks about him for him\u2014so that\u2019s where we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting\u2014when you are facing circumstances, like we\u2019re talking about here, that are negative\u2014the Psalmist declares praise in all those circumstances. I want to read you something, and this is what I appreciate about the Bible\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it doesn\u2019t sugar coat real life. The Psalmist\u2014throughout the entire book\u2014over, and over, and over again talks about people who don\u2019t like him \/ people, who are encircling him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right; enemies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know a little bit about that in your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let me just read Psalm 109\u2014just a few verses\u2014but listen to where it begins: \u201cBe not silent, O God of my praise!\u201d So the Psalmist is giving thanks to God\u2014he\u2019s praising God. But listen to his complaint: \u201cFor the wicked and deceitful mouths are open against me, speaking against me with lying tongues. They encircle me with words of hate, and attack me without cause. In return for my love they accuse me, but I gave myself to prayer.\u201d The Psalmist did the very thing you\u2019re calling us to do, too, Mary. He\u2019s calling us to meditate on who God is\u2014look at your circumstances, but don\u2019t lose sight of who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were encircled, for a period of time, by people who didn\u2019t like you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> True!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You remember those years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Share with our listeners how you handled that\u2014maybe just a little bit of the story and how you expressed praise in the midst of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Well, 25 years ago, my husband, at the age of 33, was called to become the president of Southern Seminary. We moved back to the campus, where we had been just four years prior, where he was a student there\u2014a PhD student.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Not everybody was delighted with his appointment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> No; you could say that. [Laughter] People were not only surprised but not too happy about it; because they knew where he stood, theologically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you counseling your own heart toward gratitude in those years?\u2014do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Probably not. I was taking it one day at a time, and I was trying to be very intentional about not letting that root of bitterness spring up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But there\u2019s a difference between not allowing bitterness to take root in your heart and having a heart of gratitude.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s true. I would say I did not have a heart of gratitude, at that time in my spiritual walk, for what we were being handed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And a lot of people will listen to those circumstances and say, \u201cWell, nobody is going to <em>expect<\/em> you to have a heart of gratitude in the midst of that.\u201d But you would say, \u201cGod expects that, <em>even<\/em> in the hard times.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Now, I would say that\u2014from what I have learned and what He has taught me through a more careful study of His Word\u2014that gratitude is always appropriate, even though it doesn\u2019t feel like the natural default. Again, it goes back to that faulty thinking that we have\u2014where we\u2019ve got to mentally train ourselves that that\u2019s where we go first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to encourage our listeners\u2014maybe, tonight before dinner or after dinner\u2014they just gather around and make a list, as a family, of 25 things you\u2019re thankful for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and start with who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Start with God\u2019s character. Then, after you\u2019ve listed the 25 things, as a family, then open to 1 Thessalonians, Chapter 5, verse 16, and read [this verse]: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cRejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.\u201d That is unnatural.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That demands faith; and that demands a knowledge and an experience, Bob, of what you were just talking about\u2014God\u2019s character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and if you find yourself thinking: \u201cI\u2019m probably not as grateful as I ought to be. Gratitude is not something that I exhibit the way I ought to, regularly,\u201d get a copy of Mary\u2019s book, <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>, and grab a highlighter or a journal and start to go through it. Or get together with a group of friends and go through this book together, and hold each other accountable to grow in gratitude. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website to order <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em> by Mary Mohler is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you stop and think about things for which we are grateful, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and that\u2019s a long list. Probably, at the top of that list are the number of individuals, who have responded to the gospel this year and who have trusted Christ; people attending <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> getaways; people listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>; people finding help and hope on our website. We\u2019re grateful that God has used this ministry to introduce people to Jesus and to bring them into the kingdom. We\u2019re also grateful for the tens of thousands of moms and dads, who have started going through FamilyLife\u2019s <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u2122 video series, online, or in small groups\u2014people who are getting practical biblical help and hope for their marriages and their families through this new resource. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we stop and think about the gratitude we have for these things, it\u2019s not long before we remember how grateful we are for those of you who are, not just listeners to this program, but those of you who help support the work that is being done, here, at FamilyLife. You are partners with us in all that God is doing through this ministry. In a very real sense, the fruit of this ministry is fruit of your investment as a donor. We are grateful for that partnership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, right now, if you\u2019d like to help with a donation, we have a special way to say, \u201cThank you.\u201d We\u2019d like to send you the audio book of Barbara Rainey\u2019s <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember<\/em>. This is a dramatized retelling of the first Thanksgiving story. It\u2019s about an hour long, and it would be great for your family to listen to in preparation for your own Thanksgiving celebration later this month. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can get your copy of the dramatized audio book, <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember,<\/em> when you make an online donation at FamilyLIfeToday.com. Or request it when you donate by phone at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, thanks for your partnership with this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk about how we give thanks in the midst of a thorny season. When things in life make it hard to give thanks, how do we do that? Mary Mohler will join us. I hope you can do that as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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It\u2019s the full double-mumble approach that I think is the right approach today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And our guest, Mary Mohler, lives there. So how do <em>you<\/em> pronounce it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> As a resident for most of my life, I proudly pronounce it LOO-ee vil, Kentucky. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> According to Bob, that is not the biblically-approved way to pronounce\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No, no; it\u2019s not the original dialect you see you\u2019re going with. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Well, that may be true. There are t-shirts in Louisville with five different lines on them that give you one that you can choose from, and I choose LOO-ee vil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> LOO-ee vil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Mary, we are thrilled to have you here on the broadcast. Your husband, Al, has been here before several times. We\u2019re excited to have you here as well. Mary is the wife of Al Mohler\u2014been married since 1983. They have a couple of children who are adults. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe is the founder and director of the Seminary Wives Institute at The Southern Baptist Seminary in <em>LOO-ih vil<\/em>, Kentucky. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s correct. [Laughter] The Southern Baptist <em>Theological<\/em> Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, to be technical. I\u2019m honored to be here. Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it. She has written a book called <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>. I just wanted to ask you, right out of the gate, are you a grateful person?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I pray so, and I\u2019m more grateful having written this book. It\u2019s taught me more than my readers will ever learn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is it your nature to be grateful?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I would say probably not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So this didn\u2019t come out of what you would call a strength.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This has been an area of growth for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So what do you want our listeners to know about gratitude? You say it\u2019s an intensely theological issue.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It is. There\u2019s so much more to it than just being thankful\u2014counting your blessings, saying: \u201cI know we\u2019re supposed to do that\u2014it\u2019s mandated in Scripture. Okay; you\u2019re right. I\u2019ll do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cNow, let\u2019s talk about more serious items that are on our list of things to do\u2014okay; I\u2019ll be more grateful.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the more I started looking into this\u2014and felt convicted to research this and do some speaking and writing about it\u2014the more I learned, of really, what a deeply theological issue it is and how telling it is\u2014of how much gratitude really has a part of our lives as believers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You say it has a deep sense of awe about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Explain what you mean by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> As believers, you have to just go to Scripture and realize how hopelessly lost we were. Go to Ephesians 2, and we were lost; [hopelessly] unable to save ourselves. Then, in the middle of that passage, we have those two words: \u201c<em>But God<\/em>\u201d\u2014\u201cBut God, being rich in mercy, because of the love that He had for us, made a way for us to be reconciled to Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have such an <em>amazing<\/em> debt we can never repay. We have been reconciled to God forever. Colossians 3 says that our lives are hidden with Christ in God\u2014nothing\u2014no one can ever change that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo our lives should be overflowing in gratitude. For many of us, as believers, it\u2019s really not. It\u2019s something that we don\u2019t give much time or effort to. It\u2019s just kind of in the background of: \u201cYes; I\u2019m supposed to do that. I\u2019ll do better.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You quote one of my favorite verses\u2014in Colossians, Chapter 2, verse 6. I don\u2019t think I had made the connection as clearly as you made it. Let me just read this passage for our listeners: \u201cTherefore, as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.\u201d I really had never noticed that there is a tie to us being reconciled to God through Jesus Christ and that we ought to be the most grateful people on the planet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s absolutely true. I start the book with that passage; I end the book with that passage. When I sign the book, I put that as the verse; because, to me, that is such a great summary of what I\u2019m talking about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve been bought with a price\u2014we can never repay that. We should just be\u2014and I say this several times in the book too\u2014I don\u2019t mean we need to walk around with some big cheesy smile on our faces all the time that people wonder what we\u2019re up to. But this is just a <em>mindset<\/em> that we have to train our thinking\u2014that at the very forefront of our minds is an overwhelming feeling of gratitude in <em>every<\/em> situation\u2014in good times and in bad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou have to kind of go through the book to see how I walk through\u2014how I\u2019m not suggesting that, when life is hard and you\u2019re dealing with difficult circumstances, that you\u2019re just this kind of happy clappy: \u201cOh well, God\u2019s on His throne. Everything\u2019s fine.\u201d That\u2019s not the kind of gratitude I\u2019m talking about. But it is that feeling that we retrain our thinking to be grateful people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When we\u2019re thinking about the eternal realities that you\u2019re drawing us back to here, those are real and those are things we need to be rehearsing and remembering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut in the midst of the day to day\u2014the realities of life \/ the hardships that we face on a daily basis\u2014and you talk to people, all the time, going through very difficult circumstances\u2014the reality of gratitude, in the midst of some of life\u2019s curveballs, can be really challenging for people. You\u2019ve experienced times in your life\u2014in your marriage, in raising your kids, in the work at Southern Seminary\u2014where it had to be hard to think, \u201cI\u2019m supposed to be <em>grateful<\/em> today with all that\u2019s going on here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s certainly true. You don\u2019t have to look far to either see people who seem to be breezing through life without adversity or to look to the other side and to see people you can\u2019t believe are able to put one foot in front of the other. But in all of those cases\u2014there are no asterisks in any of this\u2014we are to train ourselves to refocus our minds so that we are considering the perfect love of Christ <em>first<\/em> and, then, we\u2019re reflecting on our circumstances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we get that backwards\u2014and we are constantly, <em>first<\/em>, going to: \u201cHere\u2019s the circumstances that I\u2019m walking through. How does that reflect on this perfect love that God is to have for me?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhy\u2014if that\u2019s true, then that\u2019s faulty; and we get into this rabbit hole of\u2014just some people never get out of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You and Al went through a circumstance that is one many in our audience are not unfamiliar with\u2014infertility.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If we could have visited you during that time, would you have said you were practicing thanksgiving at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, probably not and not well; because, in seminary, you look around and it\u2019s\u2014you know, they joke that it\u2019s in the water because everybody\u2019s pregnant, except for us. It\u2019s not something that you talk about with everyone you meet; so we would pick up from some couples that: \u201cOh, we just kind of thought we heard the Mohlers didn\u2019t want to have children,\u201d or\u2014which couldn\u2019t have been farther from the truth. To say that I walked through that with a sense of awe and gratitude that the Lord\u2019s timing is perfect and that He had a reason in all of this would be less than true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, if you could go back today\u2014after writing the book \/ speaking on it\u2014and you could talk to a young Mary Mohler about what she was walking through, what counsel would you give her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I would have to just take her to Scripture, which is where I should have been, more faithfully, in terms of looking specifically for trusting the Lord. I mean, this ends up being a trust issue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you look at any one of the four obstacles that I outline in my book\u2014as to <em>why<\/em> we\u2019re not just doing this so well\u2014it all comes down to: \u201cDo you trust the Lord or do you not? Do you not believe what we read in Romans 8:31-39?\u2014that there\u2019s <em>nothing<\/em> that can separate us from His love?\u201d That\u2014as Paul David Tripp says\u2014that it\u2019s gospel irrationality to think that the Lord has saved us and between, when we\u2019ve become justified and when we\u2019ll become glorified, that there\u2019s going to be any time in there when we are not held in His hand. So that\u2019s what I would tell her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been spending a lot of time in the Psalms; and until I looked at your book, I don\u2019t think I\u2019d ever connected that praise is really the Old Testament word for what the New Testament calls being grateful or being thankful. Do you agree?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I agree; and you\u2014just as you say\u2014you go through the Psalms and its <em>replete<\/em> with this command over, and over, and over again. It\u2019s like: \u201cWe just don\u2019t get it; so let me say it another way.\u201d David comes up with a different way, inspired by the Holy Spirit, to remind us that we are to have\u2014whether he\u2019s talking about praising the Lord \/ whether he\u2019s talking about thanking Him with our whole heart\u2014just meditate on that for a while. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is hard to praise the Lord with your whole heart when you have a grumbling attitude when you don\u2019t understand why things are happening as they are. So that\u2019s when, as I suggest, you keep praying those verses in Psalms back to the Lord and do it until you mean it. Don\u2019t come away from it until you actually <em>mean<\/em> what you\u2019re saying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not natural to praise God when you\u2019re facing <em>impossible<\/em> circumstances, difficult circumstances, <em>painful<\/em> circumstances that aren\u2019t going to go away any time soon. You\u2019ve got to face them, and you have to deal with your own heart in the process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> And you can\u2019t reach out to others when you\u2019re being hypocritical about your own thorns that you\u2019re dealing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s when we look to Scripture for wisdom, and that\u2019s where we try to\u2014as we accept what the Lord has given to us. I love one of the verses that we can turn to in the New Testament\u2014in 1 Corinthians 7:17, it says, \u201cLet each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him.\u201d We have to come to a point where we realize: \u201cThis is not the calling that the Lord has given to <em>you<\/em>, or to you, or to you; but He\u2019s given it to <em>me<\/em> for this season. There has to be some good in this. God is <em>always<\/em> good, <em>always<\/em> just, always kind. He loves me more than I can ever, ever imagine.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where you just have to step back and, again, discipline your thinking to not make this a big black cloud that is following you around but is going to be used, by the Lord, in ways that you <em>will<\/em> understand one day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mary, I\u2019ve always marveled at the fact that the Book of Philippians is thought of as the epistle of joy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Paul talks about joy over and over in that epistle. He begins most of his letters to New Testament churches with \u201cI thank God in all my remembrance of you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And then I remember where Paul was when he wrote Philippians\u2014he\u2019s in a hole in the ground\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014chained to Roman guards, not getting humane treatment. You just stop and consider his circumstances; and it\u2019s in that book that he says, \u201cI\u2019ve learned the secret of being content.\u201d Paul, somehow, figured out how to be <em>grateful<\/em>. What did he know that we don\u2019t know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Well, he also says in that same letter that \u201cHe who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it,\u201d and he believed that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> And we also read in several places, including 1 Corinthians, about the thorn in the flesh that Paul had\u2014that he asked the Lord <em>three<\/em> <em>times<\/em> for it to be removed, and it wasn\u2019t; so he pressed on. As you say, the conditions in which he lived were so deplorable and, yet, he continued to trust in the Lord and to realize that the Lord would be faithful to complete this work that He began in him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So do we have to somehow minimize our circumstances in order to get to gratitude?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr do we embrace the circumstances, fully, and try to find gratitude in the midst of them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think we minimize it so much as we put to the forefront of our mind gratitude\u2014we\u2019ve got that as the default. From there, we go to: \u201cOkay; this is what\u2019s on my plate now\u2014these are my circumstances; this is my thorn,\u201d\u2014however you want to look at it. Whether it\u2019s a temporary situation, or whether it seems to be a chronic problem, whether it\u2019s a relationship\u2014whatever it is\u2014the commands are still there for you to be grateful. Those commands are still there for you to praise the Lord with your whole heart, and that\u2019s going to be more difficult to do under adversity. But as Paul illustrated so beautifully, it is both possible and very doable\u2014to God\u2019s glory.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think we\u2019re supposed to minimize our circumstances. Sometimes, they\u2019re so big; there is no minimizing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Instead, I think what we are to do is to maximize who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As I would read through the Psalms over, and over, and over again, I would say, \u201cBut God, I don\u2019t feel like giving thanks in all things,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014speaking of the Apostle Paul, over in 1 Thessalonians, Chapter 5, verses 16-18\u2014it says, \u201cRejoice always; pray without ceasing; give thanks in all circumstances\u201d; and then\u2014this sounds a little bit like the passage you just read from 1 Corinthians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes; \u201cThis is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus\u201d; yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly; so: \u201cWill you embrace this?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s tough, Bob. When you\u2019re in the circumstance, they\u2019re painful\u2014you want out of it\u2014but a lot of life is lived where we\u2019re talking about right here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> But Paul is just so clear; and you don\u2019t have to be a Greek scholar to understand what he is saying there when he says: \u201crejoice,\u201d \u201cgive thanks,\u201d \u201cpray,\u201d\u2014and at the end of it\u2014\u201cfor this is the will of God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the reason: There are whole books written about how to know the will of God. Well, he\u2019s got it here in a nutshell for us\u2014that we do these three things. That\u2019s not really over simplifying. That\u2019s a tough challenge <em>to do<\/em> those three things, consistently, and to come away with an overwhelming trust in our Creator who loves us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A couple of years ago, Ann Voskamp wrote a book that kind of took the world by storm\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014<em>A Thousand Gifts<\/em>, where she\u2019s just recounting things for which she is grateful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you think that that practice of being intentionally observant about the things in our lives, for which we ought to be grateful, is that a healthy spiritual discipline for us to practice?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I think it is. I think it\u2019s biblical for us to regularly count our blessings and enumerate those before the Lord; but I would answer that question differently than I would have before I wrote the book, and before I started speaking on this, and the Lord began to teach me so much about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m so grateful for saints who\u2019ve gone before, like the great Puritan, Jonathan Edwards. He\u2019s the one who actually put into words that there are two different forms of gratitude. You\u2019ve got this natural gratitude\u2014that we\u2019re all familiar with\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014which is thanking God for the blessings we receive; and yes, we need to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there is a <em>second<\/em> level that\u2019s called \u201cgracious gratitude\u201d that is thankfulness for God, Himself, for who He is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> This one\u2019s the primary one\u2014it\u2019s deeper; it\u2019s relational\u2014our relationship with God. It\u2019s not conditional upon what He\u2019s given to us\u2014it\u2019s for His character and who He is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, personally, when I now seek to praise the Lord on a daily basis in prayer\u2014and I have a blessing journal, where I have a list of things for which I am thankful\u2014I\u2019ve completely redone that list. I have vaulted to the top of that list the attributes of God. I want to thank Him, first of all, for who He is. Below that I have a list of things that are, not unique just to the Lord, that are characteristic of Him\u2014of being faithful, and patient, and kind, and gentle\u2014and He is <em>always<\/em> all of those things\u2014but I can also <em>learn<\/em> to be patient, and holy, and kind, and gentle. I will never learn to be omniscient, or omnipotent, or sovereign. It\u2019s kind of a\u2014two different lists. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI try to work through those before I ever get to \u201cOh, and thank you for my good health,\u201d and \u201cThank you for my family,\u201d and \u201c\u2026my possessions,\u201d and all of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If our gratitude is based on how life is going\u2014the fact that the sun is out today, my health is good, my kids are obeying \/ whatever it is\u2014then tomorrow, when it\u2019s cloudy, and I got a cough, and the kids aren\u2019t obeying\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; it\u2019s conditional.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014then, all of a sudden, what happens to my gratitude?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. If my gratitude is found <em>in Him<\/em>, then tomorrow, when it\u2019s cloudy, I\u2019m still thankful that God is who He is on cloudy days. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking of Job and his wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and Job\u2019s wife says: \u201cBased on circumstances, don\u2019t be grateful. Curse God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u201cCurse God and die\u201d; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and he said, \u201cNo; I\u2019m going to bless God in the good days, and I\u2019m going to bless God in the bad days; because blessed be the name of the Lord.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely. This gracious gratitude can be transformational when you <em>train<\/em> yourself to think that way. It\u2019s just something I had never read about before\u2014to where we need to be very intentional because it\u2019s not something we will naturally do\u2014to thank God for who He is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, in the book, I tell the story about the guy that\u2019s so nervous about asking his wife\u2014future wife\u2014to marry him. He buys the ring, and he gets down on one knee, and he does all of that. She is so thrilled with this ring. He asks her to marry him; and she quickly says, \u201cYes!\u201d but then she just can\u2019t stop talking about the ring. She goes into all of its attributes\u2014its color, and its clarity, and all of this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s relieved, because he spent a lot of money on this ring\u2014she likes it\u2014but \u201cOkay; what about me?\u201d He\u2019s carefully rehearsed what he wanted to say; but now, she has a chance to tell him words that he, hopefully, will never forget of this moment; and they never come, because all she\u2019s consumed with is the ring. He\u2019d be foolish to marry a woman like that; because she just knows he has a great taste in jewelry, but he does not know what she thinks about him for him\u2014so that\u2019s where we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting\u2014when you are facing circumstances, like we\u2019re talking about here, that are negative\u2014the Psalmist declares praise in all those circumstances. I want to read you something, and this is what I appreciate about the Bible\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it doesn\u2019t sugar coat real life. The Psalmist\u2014throughout the entire book\u2014over, and over, and over again talks about people who don\u2019t like him \/ people, who are encircling him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Right; enemies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know a little bit about that in your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let me just read Psalm 109\u2014just a few verses\u2014but listen to where it begins: \u201cBe not silent, O God of my praise!\u201d So the Psalmist is giving thanks to God\u2014he\u2019s praising God. But listen to his complaint: \u201cFor the wicked and deceitful mouths are open against me, speaking against me with lying tongues. They encircle me with words of hate, and attack me without cause. In return for my love they accuse me, but I gave myself to prayer.\u201d The Psalmist did the very thing you\u2019re calling us to do, too, Mary. He\u2019s calling us to meditate on who God is\u2014look at your circumstances, but don\u2019t lose sight of who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were encircled, for a period of time, by people who didn\u2019t like you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> True!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You remember those years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Share with our listeners how you handled that\u2014maybe just a little bit of the story and how you expressed praise in the midst of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Well, 25 years ago, my husband, at the age of 33, was called to become the president of Southern Seminary. We moved back to the campus, where we had been just four years prior, where he was a student there\u2014a PhD student.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Not everybody was delighted with his appointment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> No; you could say that. [Laughter] People were not only surprised but not too happy about it; because they knew where he stood, theologically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you counseling your own heart toward gratitude in those years?\u2014do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Probably not. I was taking it one day at a time, and I was trying to be very intentional about not letting that root of bitterness spring up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But there\u2019s a difference between not allowing bitterness to take root in your heart and having a heart of gratitude.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s true. I would say I did not have a heart of gratitude, at that time in my spiritual walk, for what we were being handed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And a lot of people will listen to those circumstances and say, \u201cWell, nobody is going to <em>expect<\/em> you to have a heart of gratitude in the midst of that.\u201d But you would say, \u201cGod expects that, <em>even<\/em> in the hard times.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Now, I would say that\u2014from what I have learned and what He has taught me through a more careful study of His Word\u2014that gratitude is always appropriate, even though it doesn\u2019t feel like the natural default. Again, it goes back to that faulty thinking that we have\u2014where we\u2019ve got to mentally train ourselves that that\u2019s where we go first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to encourage our listeners\u2014maybe, tonight before dinner or after dinner\u2014they just gather around and make a list, as a family, of 25 things you\u2019re thankful for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and start with who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Start with God\u2019s character. Then, after you\u2019ve listed the 25 things, as a family, then open to 1 Thessalonians, Chapter 5, verse 16, and read [this verse]: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cRejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.\u201d That is unnatural.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That demands faith; and that demands a knowledge and an experience, Bob, of what you were just talking about\u2014God\u2019s character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and if you find yourself thinking: \u201cI\u2019m probably not as grateful as I ought to be. Gratitude is not something that I exhibit the way I ought to, regularly,\u201d get a copy of Mary\u2019s book, <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em>, and grab a highlighter or a journal and start to go through it. Or get together with a group of friends and go through this book together, and hold each other accountable to grow in gratitude. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website to order <em>Growing in Gratitude<\/em> by Mary Mohler is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you stop and think about things for which we are grateful, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and that\u2019s a long list. Probably, at the top of that list are the number of individuals, who have responded to the gospel this year and who have trusted Christ; people attending <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> getaways; people listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>; people finding help and hope on our website. We\u2019re grateful that God has used this ministry to introduce people to Jesus and to bring them into the kingdom. We\u2019re also grateful for the tens of thousands of moms and dads, who have started going through FamilyLife\u2019s <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u2122 video series, online, or in small groups\u2014people who are getting practical biblical help and hope for their marriages and their families through this new resource. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we stop and think about the gratitude we have for these things, it\u2019s not long before we remember how grateful we are for those of you who are, not just listeners to this program, but those of you who help support the work that is being done, here, at FamilyLife. You are partners with us in all that God is doing through this ministry. In a very real sense, the fruit of this ministry is fruit of your investment as a donor. We are grateful for that partnership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, right now, if you\u2019d like to help with a donation, we have a special way to say, \u201cThank you.\u201d We\u2019d like to send you the audio book of Barbara Rainey\u2019s <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember<\/em>. This is a dramatized retelling of the first Thanksgiving story. It\u2019s about an hour long, and it would be great for your family to listen to in preparation for your own Thanksgiving celebration later this month. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can get your copy of the dramatized audio book, <em>Thanksgiving: A Time to Remember,<\/em> when you make an online donation at FamilyLIfeToday.com. Or request it when you donate by phone at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, thanks for your partnership with this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you can join us back tomorrow. 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