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Here\u2019s Heather. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> His identity had become his career; and really, in a way, Darren will say it was like his mistress. That\u2019s where he was finding his hope and identity. Ironically, even though I was fighting for our marriage\u2014that was God\u2019s goodness for me in killing an idol\u2014because, for me, a husband, who was taking care of us was my idol; a godly man was my idol; and a good marriage was my idol. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, October 26<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Darren and Heather Turner join us today to talk about the events in their lives that are told in a major motion picture that is opening in theaters this weekend. We\u2019ll hear from the Turners and the people who made the movie today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tStay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We often hear, after there has been some kind of a battle or a war, about the casualties that occur in that war; but there are lots of hidden casualties that we don\u2019t hear statistics about often. One of those high casualty rates for military service is in the area of marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; Bob, you know, on our <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> cruise\u2014on three different occasions, we have invited wounded warriors to join us on that cruise, along with their spouses, and just to enjoy a week of refreshment and spiritual nourishment. One of the things I\u2019ve had the privilege of doing, on each of those three occasions, is hosting a breakfast with the men in that group. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUsually, one of my sons is onboard\u2014or son-in-law\u2014and he hosts one table; I host the other\u2014usually, 12 to 15 total servicemen there. Some of them bring their therapy dog or service dog with them that is trained to bring comfort to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll tell you\u2014having had those breakfasts now\u2014and looked in the eyes of guys, who have been there and seen horrific things, and who begin to let you into their souls\u2014even over a breakfast\u2014of how it\u2019s impacted them, I have the utmost respect for what PTSD\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014is: Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder\u2014and how it impacts a man and <em>also<\/em> a military marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a couple with us, Darren and Heather Turner, who have served in the military for over a dozen years now\u2014live in North Carolina, where Darren is a chaplain at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey have three children\u2014have been married since 1999. Also joining us on the broadcast are David and Esther Evans\u2014actually, it\u2019s Dr. Evans, who is an optometrist. I thought about you, Dr. Evans\u2014you are a man who helps people with vision, but you have a vision; don\u2019t you? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Absolutely\u2014sometimes, too much vision. [Laughter] My wife says, \u201cWe need to trim back that vision a little bit so that we can take a vacation.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; he lives in Memphis; they have three sons. They have been married since 2001. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason I say he\u2019s got vision\u2014he is the co-writer of a movie that releases today; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s a movie called <em>Indivisible<\/em>, and it\u2019s in theaters right now\u2014this is opening weekend. We just need to say to our listeners\u2014if you like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cGo!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cGo!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you like quality films, and you want to see more movies like this in Hollywood, opening weekend is <em>huge<\/em>. That\u2019s how the movie companies decide whether you\u2019ve got a winner or not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, clear your schedule for a couple hours this weekend and go out and see the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>. Some of our listeners may have seen the movie, <em>The Grace Card<\/em>, which you wrote and produced, back five\/six years ago; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; yes\u2014also, director; and Esther and I are co-producers of <em>Indivisible<\/em> as well\u2014so filling multiple positions\u2014but couldn\u2019t be happier with the response we\u2019ve seen already \/ the outpouring of comments we\u2019ve had about the film already\u2014and just the opportunity to visit with you today, and minister to your listeners and share with them this powerful story of Darren and Heather Turner. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and I love the movie. I want to encourage our listeners to go\u2014you will not be disappointed. Take some friends\u2014go! You\u2019re going to hear a very compelling story done in an excellent way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, I just want to find out: \u201cHow did you hear about the Turners\u2019 experience, and what moved you to want to do a movie about an Army chaplain?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, you know, I have a history of military in my family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve never served; but my brother has served, now, 22 years in the Air Force. Our youngest son is now in the Air Force. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShortly after we did <em>The Grace Card<\/em>, we came across this story of Darren and Heather\u2014and already had a passion\u2014and God had already given me kind of a vision for telling the story of a chaplain. When I came across the story of a chaplain and his wife, whose marriage had almost come to an end, literally\u2014and really, the continuation of the second part of that story\u2014of how God restored their relationship; and how many of the troops that Darren had served with in Iraq kind of gather around him and help him get him back on his feet again; and just how God had restored their love for one another; and then, on top of that, having three small children; and just the struggles they faced after he came home\u2014just really, really spoke to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Esther and I continued to pray about it and seek God\u2019s will\u2014over a six-year journey, now, to where we are here today with the release of the film\u2014just miracle after miracle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s been a long, long road fraught with many tears, and struggles, and countless times on our knees, just asking God: \u201cHelp us through each barrier,\u201d that we would face along this journey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut as you just said, the finished product is something we are super proud of and just give God all the glory. From the beginning, we said: \u201cIf we\u2019re going to do this, let\u2019s do as accurate a depiction as we can so that, when our troops do sit in a theater and they watch this film, that there is nothing hokey about it\u2014that it\u2019s done in a manner that will honor our troops and speak to our troops\u2014there won\u2019t be anything distracting there.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Heather, I keep wanting to call you Sarah. [Laughter] Sarah Drew plays you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014in the movie. Some of our listeners will know her from <em>Moms\u2019 Night Out<\/em> or from <em>Grey\u2019s Anatomy<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> She\u2019s been involved as an actress for years. Your husband had been deployed for 15 months in the middle of battle. You probably didn\u2019t have any picture, in your own mind, of what the reality he was living with was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You hear he\u2019s coming home. You\u2019ve got the kids: \u201cThis is going to be great! Daddy is back home. We\u2019ll be reunited, and we\u2019ll get on with life the way it\u2019s supposed to be.\u201d When did you realize, after Darren came home: \u201cSomething has happened to my husband\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Well, I would say it began even before that with my children. My oldest daughter was seven when he returned. In the few months leading up to his return, there was so much excitement from family members, and neighbors, and friends, and other Army families: \u201cDad\u2019s coming home. How\u2019s it going to be? Are you getting excited?\u201d The kids didn\u2019t really have a frame for that, so my seven-year-old plucked all of her eyelashes out. I think it was just from the uncertainty\u2014it was a nervous habit that she\u2019d formed, I think, because she wasn\u2019t sure how to process all of that; but all of us had this nervous anticipation of what it was going to be like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were just so\u2014I personally, was so caught up in the joy of him coming home that it never occurred to me that we were going to have a hard transition back after he\u2019d come home. It took a few weeks after he was back\u2014you know, there was an initial honeymoon, where he\u2019s just\u2014you know, getting to feed him good food, and go see our old favorite haunts, and all our favorite activities. We went on a vacation right after he got back, and all of that was very refreshing and very much what we had anticipated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, once we got back home, he went back to work; the kids and I\u2014we all went back to our routine. It didn\u2019t take long for us to realize, \u201cOkay; we\u2019ve both changed <em>dramatically<\/em>\u201d\u2014some ways for the better \/ some ways not for the better. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI could see in both of us this sort of stubbornness that neither of us were really okay with this new person we were living with; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Darren, I\u2019m looking at your face as she\u2019s telling that story. You had a profound sadness on your face. Share with our listeners what you were thinking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; so, when I came back, I knew that my heart had shifted. My faith didn\u2019t die\u2014it wasn\u2019t\u2014I never doubted God. It was just I didn\u2019t nurture myself\u2014I didn\u2019t take time to take care of myself. And when I came home, I knew that compilation of a lack of care and concern for my own soul\u2014it was almost I felt like, \u201cWell, I can\u2019t catch up; so I\u2019m just going to be a jerk.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI made some bad decisions to have attitudes and say things to Heather that just devastated her and the kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would get upset easily. I wanted to control something; so, when I came back from a place, where <em>nothing<\/em> was in my control, the dishwasher became my place where I could make sure the forks were just right or the dishes\u2014if they were flipped upside down\u2014because our poor kids were loading the dishwasher. Then, I would get mad because: \u201cHow is the dish going to get cleaned if it\u2019s facing up?! You\u2019ve got to push it down!\u201d They are looking at me like, \u201cYou are a monster.\u201d I didn\u2019t see that, initially, and Heather\u2014I think that\u2019s what you are referencing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Heather:<\/strong> Yes; for me, it was more just the distance that I sensed between the two of us and me trying to reengage and reconnect. I wanted to be able to process the time that we\u2019d had away. I wanted to be able to explore just, you know: \u201cWhat is life going to look like now? Where are we now? We\u2019ve both changed.\u201d He just was unable to go there with me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s ironic how that neglect of self turned into self-absorption. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy response, unfortunately, was very similar. I became self-protective; and really, we just became so self-absorbed with our own unmet needs that we lost each other completely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Heather, you ultimately reached the point in your marriage relationship\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014where you asked him to move out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right; yes. That was\u2014for me, not ever what I would recommend for folks; but for\u2014in God\u2019s providence, that was the point, where the Lord said, \u201cI won\u2019t give you any more than you can handle.\u201d Also, for the sake of our kids, I just felt like there was a lot of disproportionate punishment for the kids. As a mom, you try to juggle\u2014not only what\u2019s okay in <em>our<\/em> relationship, but what\u2019s okay for our children and protecting them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but also, really just a desire to protect Darren from himself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the part that was difficult for me was\u2014I was still trying to manipulate change in him. I was trying to be the one to force him to open his eyes when really it was just a matter of God\u2019s timing to take the scales off both of our eyes to see what was really going on and understand that we were not\u2014you know, the battle is not against flesh and blood; it\u2019s against principalities and spirits. I had just become convinced that <em>he<\/em> was my enemy, and that our battle was against each other. When truly, the Lord had put us\u2014he was my battle buddy, and I had turned on him instead of having his back and reinforcing him when he was too weak to see. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was my greatest failure\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014was that feeling that I abandoned him \/ I kind of shoved him out there on his own in a moment of desperation\u2014shoving him out there, to say, \u201cIf you aren\u2019t going to engage, if you aren\u2019t going to participate, if you aren\u2019t going to give energy and effort to this marriage, then, I\u2019m going to punish you for that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn God\u2019s providence, that was the thing that He used to bring reconciliation, and bring repentance, and bring brokenness; but yes, that was the lowest point for me\u2014was just that utter hopelessness and losing hope in the Lord. You know, had I made\u2014you know, just feelings of: \u201cI\u2019ve made the worst decision of my life in marrying him. Who is this person now? I\u2019m really seeing who he is,\u201d\u2014just the lies that Satan tells you to keep pushing you over the edge and just not being his battle buddy, which is what I\u2019d covenanted, with the Lord, to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you think, \u201cI don\u2019t know if we can make it\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> I was done\u2014in my heart, our marriage was over. I had\u2014I had been so vulnerable and so open with him and just <em>pleading<\/em> with him to return to us and to engage with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> \u2014to get help. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> \u2014to get help\u2014yes; that was really what I asked for\u2014you know: \u201cI can\u2019t be this person for you, because I don\u2019t know where you\u2019ve been. I haven\u2019t walked that road, but you have got to seek help.\u201d He just truly had\u2014was blinded to the fact that he needed help. So, yes; that was my plea with him\u2014was: \u201cHoney, you have got to get help, and I don\u2019t know where to find that for you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe just kept\u2014he just kept moving further and further away into his\u2014for him\u2014his identity had become his career; and really, in a way, Darren will say it was like his mistress. That was where he was finding his hope and identity; and ironically, even though I was fighting for our marriage\u2014that was God\u2019s goodness for me in killing an idol\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014because, for me, a good marriage was my idol; a husband who was taking care of us was my idol; a godly man was my idol. Thankfully, the Lord killed those idols through a very painful process; but if we tried to continue in that way\u2014what kind of burden is that to put on a man to be only what Christ can be for me? No wonder he ran away. [Laughter] You know, who wants that?\u2014nobody wants that job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> But ironically, that\u2014when she asked me to leave, that was my wakeup call; because I had not been listening to her for <em>months<\/em>. She was trying to say stuff; and I would dismiss it as: \u201cYou don\u2019t know. You\u2019re overreacting. We\u2019re okay\u201d; and we weren\u2019t okay; but when she asked me to leave, that was like: \u201cWow! Okay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when was the moment either of you had hope that: \u201cMaybe, we can get this back together\u201d?\u2014do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; so we were separated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was living with a couple of different buddies for four or five months. I had decided to get out of the Army by this point to try to save my marriage. I recognized: \u201cThis is not worth me staying in the military if I\u2019m going to lose my family. My only hope is to get out and to fight for this. I can\u2019t do both.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s got to be hard to be the chaplain, who is living with his buddies while his marriage is in crisis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; all\u2014I mean, you talk about naked and afraid. I was exposed beyond all comfort during this process. I was okay with it at that point\u2014I knew that I was a wreck. Everyone else knew that I was a wreck, and my desire to change finally exceeded my pride of staying isolated\u2014that is a <em>huge<\/em> shift for me. I think most men\u2014when we finally are so sick and tired of being fake\u2014or false or whatever adjective you want to put in there\u2014finally, want to be real, and heal, and grow, and get help\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that was such a liberating thing for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I made that decision, we were still separated; but I knew that my only hope to do this\u2014with the urgency that it needed to be done with\u2014I had to get out of the military. I resigned my commission and got out. We both finally were starting to listen to each other a little bit more; and then, one morning, I showed up. It was\u2014you tell it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> He walked in\u2014I was packing boxes; the kids and I were moving home. I had set up my own credit cards, my own checking account\u2014I was <em>done<\/em>. He walked in during that day\u2014what preceded that moment\u2014I\u2019m sitting in the rocking chair in my girl\u2019s room, and just at the bottom of this barrel of hopelessness, and realizing\u2014you know, I had already started planning for our future life as a divorced family and what that could look like and just the hopelessness\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and then, looking at my life, feeling like <em>such<\/em> a failure: \u201cHow could I have\u2026\u201d\u2014you know, you <em>never<\/em> imagine yourself at this place. There you go\u2014inching forward and inching forward. You turn around; and you look and think: \u201cHow did I get here? This was not going to be my life.\u201d I started realizing, \u201cYou know, every time I\u2019ve made a decision, I mess it up,\u201d\u2014a decision apart from the Lord and His will\u2014\u201cIt just gets worse and worse and worse.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat morning, before he came home, I just prayed to the Lord in desperation: \u201cLord, I would rather be miserable and married and be in Your will than to be divorced and have this false sense of contentment and be out of Your will.\u201d I knew that, if the Lord could be for us, who could be against us? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI prayed that morning: \u201cLord, I know that marriage is Your idea; and if You\u2019ve called us to marriage, then, You will equip us for marriage. And whether that looks like what I thought it would look like or not, I\u2019m just going to choose Your way; because my way never seems to be fruitful and never seems to be a blessing.\u201d I was at that point of saying, \u201cLord, I will choose You regardless of what that means \/ regardless if it is going to turn out the way I want.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, so, he walked in that morning. I was in the middle of boxes on the floor. He just held me; and I could tell, for the first time, that there was true brokenness in him\u2014not just his desire to fix our marriage \/ not just a desire to please me or win me over\u2014he was truly broken and had nothing to say. That was really the first time I put my fists down and allowed myself to even be okay with the idea of reconciliation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been wanting to ask this question for quite a while. I just wonder, Darren: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done in all your life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That\u2014that morning\u2014I show up to my house and hold my wife when everything in <em>her<\/em> was opposed to that. Everything in me was afraid of that\u2014to go home from staying up at a buddy\u2019s house\u2014again, not sleeping, just wondering, \u201cWhat in the world has happened to the life that I had imagined?\u201d and going home and risking that to take hold of her and to see the kids was\u2014it was incredible. It was divine\u2014that was divine courage in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Worth it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Absolutely; yes, yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I want to encourage our listeners to get a better view of this story: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u201cGo to the movie\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201ctoday\/tonight\/this weekend.\u201d The movie is <em>Indivisible<\/em>\u2014<em>great<\/em> story of grace\u2014a great story of redemption, reconciliation, and of hope in the midst of despair. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Thank you guys for sharing your story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Thank you. Thank you so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Thank you for having us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The trailer for the movie is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. I hope folks will watch the trailer; and I hope they\u2019ll make plans to go tonight, or tomorrow, or Sunday to see the movie. And if you know someone\u2014who is active-duty, or who is in the reserves, or someone who served even years ago\u2014invite a veteran to go with you to see the film. This might open the door for a good, spiritual conversation with them. Find out more about the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>, when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and plan to see the film this weekend in theaters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I know some of you have other plans for this weekend because, starting tonight at seven o\u2019clock, in Augusta, Georgia; Coeur d'Alene, Idaho; Dayton, Ohio; Naples, Florida; Louisville, Kentucky; Sacramento, California; San Diego\u2014we\u2019ve got couples who are going to be joining us for our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways that kick off this weekend. This is a two-and-a-half day getaway for couples to zero-in and focus on making their marriage all that God wants it to be. It\u2019s really designed to help your marriage be able to withstand the kind of struggle and trauma that the Turners went through\u2014that we\u2019ve talked about today. Pray for these couples, who are going to be attending the getaway this weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd let me say a word of thanks to those of you who help make all that we do, here, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> possible\u2014whether it\u2019s our getaways, or this daily radio program, our website, the resources we create. When you help support this ministry, you are joining with us in the mission of effectively developing godly marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThese are people whose lives have been altered and transformed because of your investment in the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, so we\u2019re grateful to be able to partner with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>If you\u2019re a regular listener and you\u2019ve never made a donation, today is a great day for you to go online and donate; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. You can also mail your donation to us. When you donate, we\u2019re going to send you our 2019 FamilyLife calendar. It\u2019s all about family togetherness. There are activities that families can do together listed each month and Bible verses that can be memorized throughout the year. It\u2019s our gift to you when you donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate; or you can request the calendar when you mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you have a great week. I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about what parents need in order to be good parents. Dennis and Barbara Rainey will be here. We\u2019ll be talking about their new book, <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>; and if you are a mom or a dad, you\u2019ll want to tune in and make sure that you\u2019ve got what you need to be the right kind of parent. We\u2019ll talk about that Monday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Ironically, even though I was fighting for our marriage\u2014that was God\u2019s goodness for me in killing an idol\u2014because, for me, a husband, who was taking care of us was my idol; a godly man was my idol; and a good marriage was my idol. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, October 26<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Darren and Heather Turner join us today to talk about the events in their lives that are told in a major motion picture that is opening in theaters this weekend. We\u2019ll hear from the Turners and the people who made the movie today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tStay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We often hear, after there has been some kind of a battle or a war, about the casualties that occur in that war; but there are lots of hidden casualties that we don\u2019t hear statistics about often. One of those high casualty rates for military service is in the area of marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; Bob, you know, on our <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> cruise\u2014on three different occasions, we have invited wounded warriors to join us on that cruise, along with their spouses, and just to enjoy a week of refreshment and spiritual nourishment. One of the things I\u2019ve had the privilege of doing, on each of those three occasions, is hosting a breakfast with the men in that group. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUsually, one of my sons is onboard\u2014or son-in-law\u2014and he hosts one table; I host the other\u2014usually, 12 to 15 total servicemen there. Some of them bring their therapy dog or service dog with them that is trained to bring comfort to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll tell you\u2014having had those breakfasts now\u2014and looked in the eyes of guys, who have been there and seen horrific things, and who begin to let you into their souls\u2014even over a breakfast\u2014of how it\u2019s impacted them, I have the utmost respect for what PTSD\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014is: Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder\u2014and how it impacts a man and <em>also<\/em> a military marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a couple with us, Darren and Heather Turner, who have served in the military for over a dozen years now\u2014live in North Carolina, where Darren is a chaplain at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey have three children\u2014have been married since 1999. Also joining us on the broadcast are David and Esther Evans\u2014actually, it\u2019s Dr. Evans, who is an optometrist. I thought about you, Dr. Evans\u2014you are a man who helps people with vision, but you have a vision; don\u2019t you? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Absolutely\u2014sometimes, too much vision. [Laughter] My wife says, \u201cWe need to trim back that vision a little bit so that we can take a vacation.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; he lives in Memphis; they have three sons. They have been married since 2001. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason I say he\u2019s got vision\u2014he is the co-writer of a movie that releases today; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s a movie called <em>Indivisible<\/em>, and it\u2019s in theaters right now\u2014this is opening weekend. We just need to say to our listeners\u2014if you like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cGo!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cGo!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you like quality films, and you want to see more movies like this in Hollywood, opening weekend is <em>huge<\/em>. That\u2019s how the movie companies decide whether you\u2019ve got a winner or not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, clear your schedule for a couple hours this weekend and go out and see the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>. Some of our listeners may have seen the movie, <em>The Grace Card<\/em>, which you wrote and produced, back five\/six years ago; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; yes\u2014also, director; and Esther and I are co-producers of <em>Indivisible<\/em> as well\u2014so filling multiple positions\u2014but couldn\u2019t be happier with the response we\u2019ve seen already \/ the outpouring of comments we\u2019ve had about the film already\u2014and just the opportunity to visit with you today, and minister to your listeners and share with them this powerful story of Darren and Heather Turner. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and I love the movie. I want to encourage our listeners to go\u2014you will not be disappointed. Take some friends\u2014go! You\u2019re going to hear a very compelling story done in an excellent way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, I just want to find out: \u201cHow did you hear about the Turners\u2019 experience, and what moved you to want to do a movie about an Army chaplain?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, you know, I have a history of military in my family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve never served; but my brother has served, now, 22 years in the Air Force. Our youngest son is now in the Air Force. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShortly after we did <em>The Grace Card<\/em>, we came across this story of Darren and Heather\u2014and already had a passion\u2014and God had already given me kind of a vision for telling the story of a chaplain. When I came across the story of a chaplain and his wife, whose marriage had almost come to an end, literally\u2014and really, the continuation of the second part of that story\u2014of how God restored their relationship; and how many of the troops that Darren had served with in Iraq kind of gather around him and help him get him back on his feet again; and just how God had restored their love for one another; and then, on top of that, having three small children; and just the struggles they faced after he came home\u2014just really, really spoke to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Esther and I continued to pray about it and seek God\u2019s will\u2014over a six-year journey, now, to where we are here today with the release of the film\u2014just miracle after miracle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s been a long, long road fraught with many tears, and struggles, and countless times on our knees, just asking God: \u201cHelp us through each barrier,\u201d that we would face along this journey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut as you just said, the finished product is something we are super proud of and just give God all the glory. From the beginning, we said: \u201cIf we\u2019re going to do this, let\u2019s do as accurate a depiction as we can so that, when our troops do sit in a theater and they watch this film, that there is nothing hokey about it\u2014that it\u2019s done in a manner that will honor our troops and speak to our troops\u2014there won\u2019t be anything distracting there.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Heather, I keep wanting to call you Sarah. [Laughter] Sarah Drew plays you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014in the movie. Some of our listeners will know her from <em>Moms\u2019 Night Out<\/em> or from <em>Grey\u2019s Anatomy<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> She\u2019s been involved as an actress for years. Your husband had been deployed for 15 months in the middle of battle. You probably didn\u2019t have any picture, in your own mind, of what the reality he was living with was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You hear he\u2019s coming home. You\u2019ve got the kids: \u201cThis is going to be great! Daddy is back home. We\u2019ll be reunited, and we\u2019ll get on with life the way it\u2019s supposed to be.\u201d When did you realize, after Darren came home: \u201cSomething has happened to my husband\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Well, I would say it began even before that with my children. My oldest daughter was seven when he returned. In the few months leading up to his return, there was so much excitement from family members, and neighbors, and friends, and other Army families: \u201cDad\u2019s coming home. How\u2019s it going to be? Are you getting excited?\u201d The kids didn\u2019t really have a frame for that, so my seven-year-old plucked all of her eyelashes out. I think it was just from the uncertainty\u2014it was a nervous habit that she\u2019d formed, I think, because she wasn\u2019t sure how to process all of that; but all of us had this nervous anticipation of what it was going to be like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were just so\u2014I personally, was so caught up in the joy of him coming home that it never occurred to me that we were going to have a hard transition back after he\u2019d come home. It took a few weeks after he was back\u2014you know, there was an initial honeymoon, where he\u2019s just\u2014you know, getting to feed him good food, and go see our old favorite haunts, and all our favorite activities. We went on a vacation right after he got back, and all of that was very refreshing and very much what we had anticipated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, once we got back home, he went back to work; the kids and I\u2014we all went back to our routine. It didn\u2019t take long for us to realize, \u201cOkay; we\u2019ve both changed <em>dramatically<\/em>\u201d\u2014some ways for the better \/ some ways not for the better. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI could see in both of us this sort of stubbornness that neither of us were really okay with this new person we were living with; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Darren, I\u2019m looking at your face as she\u2019s telling that story. You had a profound sadness on your face. Share with our listeners what you were thinking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; so, when I came back, I knew that my heart had shifted. My faith didn\u2019t die\u2014it wasn\u2019t\u2014I never doubted God. It was just I didn\u2019t nurture myself\u2014I didn\u2019t take time to take care of myself. And when I came home, I knew that compilation of a lack of care and concern for my own soul\u2014it was almost I felt like, \u201cWell, I can\u2019t catch up; so I\u2019m just going to be a jerk.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI made some bad decisions to have attitudes and say things to Heather that just devastated her and the kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would get upset easily. I wanted to control something; so, when I came back from a place, where <em>nothing<\/em> was in my control, the dishwasher became my place where I could make sure the forks were just right or the dishes\u2014if they were flipped upside down\u2014because our poor kids were loading the dishwasher. Then, I would get mad because: \u201cHow is the dish going to get cleaned if it\u2019s facing up?! You\u2019ve got to push it down!\u201d They are looking at me like, \u201cYou are a monster.\u201d I didn\u2019t see that, initially, and Heather\u2014I think that\u2019s what you are referencing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Heather:<\/strong> Yes; for me, it was more just the distance that I sensed between the two of us and me trying to reengage and reconnect. I wanted to be able to process the time that we\u2019d had away. I wanted to be able to explore just, you know: \u201cWhat is life going to look like now? Where are we now? We\u2019ve both changed.\u201d He just was unable to go there with me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s ironic how that neglect of self turned into self-absorption. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy response, unfortunately, was very similar. I became self-protective; and really, we just became so self-absorbed with our own unmet needs that we lost each other completely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Heather, you ultimately reached the point in your marriage relationship\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014where you asked him to move out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right; yes. That was\u2014for me, not ever what I would recommend for folks; but for\u2014in God\u2019s providence, that was the point, where the Lord said, \u201cI won\u2019t give you any more than you can handle.\u201d Also, for the sake of our kids, I just felt like there was a lot of disproportionate punishment for the kids. As a mom, you try to juggle\u2014not only what\u2019s okay in <em>our<\/em> relationship, but what\u2019s okay for our children and protecting them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but also, really just a desire to protect Darren from himself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the part that was difficult for me was\u2014I was still trying to manipulate change in him. I was trying to be the one to force him to open his eyes when really it was just a matter of God\u2019s timing to take the scales off both of our eyes to see what was really going on and understand that we were not\u2014you know, the battle is not against flesh and blood; it\u2019s against principalities and spirits. I had just become convinced that <em>he<\/em> was my enemy, and that our battle was against each other. When truly, the Lord had put us\u2014he was my battle buddy, and I had turned on him instead of having his back and reinforcing him when he was too weak to see. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was my greatest failure\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014was that feeling that I abandoned him \/ I kind of shoved him out there on his own in a moment of desperation\u2014shoving him out there, to say, \u201cIf you aren\u2019t going to engage, if you aren\u2019t going to participate, if you aren\u2019t going to give energy and effort to this marriage, then, I\u2019m going to punish you for that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn God\u2019s providence, that was the thing that He used to bring reconciliation, and bring repentance, and bring brokenness; but yes, that was the lowest point for me\u2014was just that utter hopelessness and losing hope in the Lord. You know, had I made\u2014you know, just feelings of: \u201cI\u2019ve made the worst decision of my life in marrying him. Who is this person now? I\u2019m really seeing who he is,\u201d\u2014just the lies that Satan tells you to keep pushing you over the edge and just not being his battle buddy, which is what I\u2019d covenanted, with the Lord, to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you think, \u201cI don\u2019t know if we can make it\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> I was done\u2014in my heart, our marriage was over. I had\u2014I had been so vulnerable and so open with him and just <em>pleading<\/em> with him to return to us and to engage with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> \u2014to get help. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> \u2014to get help\u2014yes; that was really what I asked for\u2014you know: \u201cI can\u2019t be this person for you, because I don\u2019t know where you\u2019ve been. I haven\u2019t walked that road, but you have got to seek help.\u201d He just truly had\u2014was blinded to the fact that he needed help. So, yes; that was my plea with him\u2014was: \u201cHoney, you have got to get help, and I don\u2019t know where to find that for you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe just kept\u2014he just kept moving further and further away into his\u2014for him\u2014his identity had become his career; and really, in a way, Darren will say it was like his mistress. That was where he was finding his hope and identity; and ironically, even though I was fighting for our marriage\u2014that was God\u2019s goodness for me in killing an idol\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014because, for me, a good marriage was my idol; a husband who was taking care of us was my idol; a godly man was my idol. Thankfully, the Lord killed those idols through a very painful process; but if we tried to continue in that way\u2014what kind of burden is that to put on a man to be only what Christ can be for me? No wonder he ran away. [Laughter] You know, who wants that?\u2014nobody wants that job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> But ironically, that\u2014when she asked me to leave, that was my wakeup call; because I had not been listening to her for <em>months<\/em>. She was trying to say stuff; and I would dismiss it as: \u201cYou don\u2019t know. You\u2019re overreacting. We\u2019re okay\u201d; and we weren\u2019t okay; but when she asked me to leave, that was like: \u201cWow! Okay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when was the moment either of you had hope that: \u201cMaybe, we can get this back together\u201d?\u2014do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; so we were separated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was living with a couple of different buddies for four or five months. I had decided to get out of the Army by this point to try to save my marriage. I recognized: \u201cThis is not worth me staying in the military if I\u2019m going to lose my family. My only hope is to get out and to fight for this. I can\u2019t do both.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s got to be hard to be the chaplain, who is living with his buddies while his marriage is in crisis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; all\u2014I mean, you talk about naked and afraid. I was exposed beyond all comfort during this process. I was okay with it at that point\u2014I knew that I was a wreck. Everyone else knew that I was a wreck, and my desire to change finally exceeded my pride of staying isolated\u2014that is a <em>huge<\/em> shift for me. I think most men\u2014when we finally are so sick and tired of being fake\u2014or false or whatever adjective you want to put in there\u2014finally, want to be real, and heal, and grow, and get help\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that was such a liberating thing for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I made that decision, we were still separated; but I knew that my only hope to do this\u2014with the urgency that it needed to be done with\u2014I had to get out of the military. I resigned my commission and got out. We both finally were starting to listen to each other a little bit more; and then, one morning, I showed up. It was\u2014you tell it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> He walked in\u2014I was packing boxes; the kids and I were moving home. I had set up my own credit cards, my own checking account\u2014I was <em>done<\/em>. He walked in during that day\u2014what preceded that moment\u2014I\u2019m sitting in the rocking chair in my girl\u2019s room, and just at the bottom of this barrel of hopelessness, and realizing\u2014you know, I had already started planning for our future life as a divorced family and what that could look like and just the hopelessness\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and then, looking at my life, feeling like <em>such<\/em> a failure: \u201cHow could I have\u2026\u201d\u2014you know, you <em>never<\/em> imagine yourself at this place. There you go\u2014inching forward and inching forward. You turn around; and you look and think: \u201cHow did I get here? This was not going to be my life.\u201d I started realizing, \u201cYou know, every time I\u2019ve made a decision, I mess it up,\u201d\u2014a decision apart from the Lord and His will\u2014\u201cIt just gets worse and worse and worse.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat morning, before he came home, I just prayed to the Lord in desperation: \u201cLord, I would rather be miserable and married and be in Your will than to be divorced and have this false sense of contentment and be out of Your will.\u201d I knew that, if the Lord could be for us, who could be against us? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI prayed that morning: \u201cLord, I know that marriage is Your idea; and if You\u2019ve called us to marriage, then, You will equip us for marriage. And whether that looks like what I thought it would look like or not, I\u2019m just going to choose Your way; because my way never seems to be fruitful and never seems to be a blessing.\u201d I was at that point of saying, \u201cLord, I will choose You regardless of what that means \/ regardless if it is going to turn out the way I want.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, so, he walked in that morning. I was in the middle of boxes on the floor. He just held me; and I could tell, for the first time, that there was true brokenness in him\u2014not just his desire to fix our marriage \/ not just a desire to please me or win me over\u2014he was truly broken and had nothing to say. That was really the first time I put my fists down and allowed myself to even be okay with the idea of reconciliation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been wanting to ask this question for quite a while. I just wonder, Darren: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done in all your life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That\u2014that morning\u2014I show up to my house and hold my wife when everything in <em>her<\/em> was opposed to that. Everything in me was afraid of that\u2014to go home from staying up at a buddy\u2019s house\u2014again, not sleeping, just wondering, \u201cWhat in the world has happened to the life that I had imagined?\u201d and going home and risking that to take hold of her and to see the kids was\u2014it was incredible. It was divine\u2014that was divine courage in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Worth it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Absolutely; yes, yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I want to encourage our listeners to get a better view of this story: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u201cGo to the movie\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201ctoday\/tonight\/this weekend.\u201d The movie is <em>Indivisible<\/em>\u2014<em>great<\/em> story of grace\u2014a great story of redemption, reconciliation, and of hope in the midst of despair. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Thank you guys for sharing your story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Thank you. Thank you so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Thank you for having us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The trailer for the movie is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. I hope folks will watch the trailer; and I hope they\u2019ll make plans to go tonight, or tomorrow, or Sunday to see the movie. And if you know someone\u2014who is active-duty, or who is in the reserves, or someone who served even years ago\u2014invite a veteran to go with you to see the film. This might open the door for a good, spiritual conversation with them. Find out more about the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>, when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and plan to see the film this weekend in theaters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I know some of you have other plans for this weekend because, starting tonight at seven o\u2019clock, in Augusta, Georgia; Coeur d'Alene, Idaho; Dayton, Ohio; Naples, Florida; Louisville, Kentucky; Sacramento, California; San Diego\u2014we\u2019ve got couples who are going to be joining us for our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways that kick off this weekend. This is a two-and-a-half day getaway for couples to zero-in and focus on making their marriage all that God wants it to be. It\u2019s really designed to help your marriage be able to withstand the kind of struggle and trauma that the Turners went through\u2014that we\u2019ve talked about today. Pray for these couples, who are going to be attending the getaway this weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd let me say a word of thanks to those of you who help make all that we do, here, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> possible\u2014whether it\u2019s our getaways, or this daily radio program, our website, the resources we create. When you help support this ministry, you are joining with us in the mission of effectively developing godly marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThese are people whose lives have been altered and transformed because of your investment in the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, so we\u2019re grateful to be able to partner with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>If you\u2019re a regular listener and you\u2019ve never made a donation, today is a great day for you to go online and donate; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. You can also mail your donation to us. When you donate, we\u2019re going to send you our 2019 FamilyLife calendar. It\u2019s all about family togetherness. There are activities that families can do together listed each month and Bible verses that can be memorized throughout the year. It\u2019s our gift to you when you donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate; or you can request the calendar when you mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you have a great week. I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about what parents need in order to be good parents. Dennis and Barbara Rainey will be here. 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