{"id":300431,"date":"2018-10-25T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-10-25T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/indivisible\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:36","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:36","slug":"indivisible","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/indivisible\/","title":{"rendered":"Indivisible"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Darren and Heather Turner, David and Esther Evans | Series: Indivisible | Army Chaplain Darren Turner and his wife, Heather, join producer David Evans and his wife, Esther, to talk about the release of the new feature film about the Turner&#8217;s life, &#8220;Indivisible.&#8221; The Turners remember how they met and what it was that first drew them into the military. Darren&#8217;s deployment challenged him in multiple ways, and raising the children alone came with its own set of problems for Heather. 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The nickname of the base was Mortaritaville\u2014we had mortars frequently. Some days there would be six or eight mortars that would just fly over. Some would hit on the base; usually, they hit in areas where nobody was. It was a huge base, so a lot more dirt than there are tents. But within 48 hours [of his arrival] there was a mortar that came in and I thought, \u201cI\u2019m not in Kansas anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, October 25<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll talk to Darren and Heather Turner today about how living a life on deployment under fire can take its toll on a marriage relationship. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You have your tickets for the weekend? Do you know which show?\u2014you\u2019re going Friday?\u2014going Saturday?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know,I had the privilege of seeing a screener, Bob.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So you\u2019re not going\u2014you still have to go to the theater<strong>! <\/strong>This is a matter of integrity. This is your patriotic duty to go out this weekend or, at least, just buy your tickets online whether you go or not. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, the movie that Bob\u2019s talking about is <em>Indivisible<\/em>. It is a <em>great<\/em> movie about a couple that we\u2019re talking to today, along with the couple who produced that movie\u2014actually co-wrote it and produced it. The Turners and the Evans join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Guys, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Great to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Thank you for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sorry, ladies\u2014I referred to you as guys. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Esther:<\/strong> That\u2019s okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, David and Ester Evans live in Memphis, where David is part-time an optometrist\u2014fulltime\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014fulltime, really, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I was teasing you at that point. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Okay; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re a movie producer now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s our new calling\u2014at least for the last ten years or so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He gives leadership to Graceworks Pictures and is the co-writer of <em>Indivisible<\/em>. They have been married since 2001 and have three sons. Darren and Heather Turner are the featured couple of this movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; this is your story on the big screen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> This is crazy! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was this weird?\u2014watching a couple of Hollywood actors?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; it really was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Surreal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> It\u2019s surreal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you find yourself going, \u201cNo; that conversation didn\u2019t <em>actually<\/em> happen that way\u201d? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren: <\/strong>Yes; a couple of times, but we knew that was coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Our guests here\u2014I want to ask you\u2014I\u2019ll tell our listeners what you do in a second\u2014but did you think the guy who played you was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014was he buff enough? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014properly muscled up enough to represent you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> He made me look a <em>lot<\/em> better than I actually am. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I wasn\u2019t going to say that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> No; he looked every bit the part of a good military officer\u2014that\u2019s for sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>: He sure does. Darren and Heather have been married since 1999. They have three children as well. Darren serves as a military chaplain in the Army, and you\u2019ve done that now for\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; almost 12 years\u2014over halfway if I\u2019m going to make it a career, which I hope can happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So I want to ask either one of you: \u201cDid you have any idea that, when you started your relationship out\u2014after you\u2019d both been at the University of Georgia; you actually graduated from there\u2014you came the University of Georgia to recruit students\u2014did either one of you think you\u2019d ever end up in the military?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> It <em>never<\/em> occurred to me\u2014never at all. We actually had thought that, early on in our marriage, that\u2014we just assumed that we would go back into the mission field, overseas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; we were doing campus ministry for a few years. After we had had a couple of kids, Heather had known someone who had married a military member. We started talking to them. It seemed like a <em>great<\/em> fit the more we started learning about it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014particularly the chaplaincy\u2014so we began to pursue it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Why a great fit? Talk a little bit about chaplaincy\u2014and why that\u2019s different from being a pastor at a church or doing campus ministry and why you said, \u201cI think this is what I\u2019m supposed to be doing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> My father was in the National Guard; but that was before I was born, so I didn\u2019t really come from a strong multi-generational military family, per se. I didn\u2019t know much about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce we started learning about just the military culture\u2014how close knit that community is\u2014it sounded like something that we both were <em>very<\/em> interested in\u2014thinking, initially, maybe the mission field was where we were going to go to get that close community\u2014places we could live, and have kids together with folks, and just live life together. That turned out to be true in the military as well. That was attractive to us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you definitely went to the mission field\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, very quickly after you signed up with the Army.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How long before you were deployed as a chaplain? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I signed in on active duty on February 1<sup>st<\/sup> of 2007, and I deployed for 15 months in May of 2007\u2014just over three months. I couldn\u2019t even spell lieutenant\u2014it was brand-new. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It had to be surreal for you to have been on a college campus and now to find yourself in a foreign country. Where did you serve?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren: <\/strong>We went to Iraq, south of Bagdad, Iraq. In the middle of the surge\u2014if you recall, back in 2007\u2014that was when President Bush announced the surge, which meant he was going to push folks from these super bases out into the neighborhoods around Iraq to prevent the looming civil war that we thought might be happening. My brigade and battalion was the last group that went over as part of the surge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Darren, I think about military chaplains and I think: \u201cdomestic bases, and chapel on the base, and you\u2019re doing the worship service and the Bible study, and you\u2019re doing funerals if those need to happen.\u201d Its\u2019 kind of like you\u2019re helping with the spiritual life of people in this country, who are waiting to go overseas. I don\u2019t know that I\u2019d ever even stopped to think, until I watched the movie, that there are chaplains in forward areas. Watching the movie share your story brought to light just how strategic a chaplain is in a battlefield. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; we go where the troops are. Wherever the troops are, you\u2019re going to find a chaplain\u2014maybe not every single day at every single location\u2014but we rotate around. Wherever the sheep are, the shepherd needs to go; or the sheep are not cared for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014without a shepherd; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Heather, how ready was your marriage for deployment? The way it\u2019s portrayed in the movie, you guys were kind of cocky\u2014your marriage was strong, and you were doing quite well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Yes; I think if you had asked me then\u2014like in <em>Invisible<\/em>\u2014I would say: \u201cYes; we\u2019re absolutely ready for this. We\u2019ve prayed and prepared for this. This is <em>our<\/em> thing.\u201d I didn\u2019t join Darren after he was in the military. This is something that we prayed about together\u2014that we went into, as a team, to minister to people in the military. We were right where we thought we were prepared to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were on assignment\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right; we had been sent, and we were ready to go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We ought to say here, Heather, a lot of people lose sight of the fact that military wives are on assignment even if they\u2019re not deployed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I mean, the sacrifice for you \/ the challenge for you\u2014you\u2019re a single parent mom with\u2014were there three kids at the time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather: <\/strong>Exactly.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re trying to manage every aspect of life. You are sacrificially serving your family with your husband gone. I think that gets lost in our thinking about military couples today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather: <\/strong>I agree.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Darren, I want to just ask you\u2014you arrived at this base in Iraq: \u201cHow long before you realized you were no longer in Kansas?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Immediately. The location we were at in Iraq was, as I mentioned, was in the southern part\u2014probably we\u2019re 20\/25 minutes south of Baghdad. The nickname of the base was Mortaritaville\u2014we had mortars frequently. Some days there would be six or eight mortars that would just fly over. Some would hit on the base; usually, they hit in areas where nobody was. It was a huge base so a lot more dirt than there are people or tents. But within 24-48 hours [of his arrival] there was a mortar that came in; and I thought, \u201cI\u2019m not in Kansas anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When did it start to test your faith in terms of\u2014where you were facing war at a level you never anticipated? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> We had been there probably no more than a couple of months before we were ready to go out in sector\u2014so to speak. There was some training that kind of led up to that. We were taking over an area that another group had basically released over to us as they prepared to go home. As our guys started pushing out into the areas, it wasn\u2019t long before we started taking casualties. That summer\/fall of 2007 was really rough\u2014we lost a lot of guys. [Silence] Sorry [full of emotion]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I thought I was prepared for that, but I don\u2019t think I was. I don\u2019t think you can be prepared for that. I\u2019ve described it to some people as trying to describe the color red to a blind person. You cannot physically do that until you get to see that color. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a scene in the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>, where you were called out of your tent to meet some people who were coming back. I don\u2019t know\u2014was it this battle that you are speaking of? They were coming back from trying to get occupation of that area again\u2014where they came back with both the injured soldiers but, also, some of the civilians who had been injured as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That happened multiple times. There were a lot of IEDs\u2014which are improvised explosive devices\u2014roadside bombs, as sometimes we would refer to them as. They were indiscriminate of who they would hit. Sometimes, they were just pressure plate bombs; so whoever drove over it next would get blown up\u2014sometimes that was service members; sometimes it was local Iraqis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen that would happen to locals, they would come to US bases because that\u2019s the best medical care at the time anywhere close by. They would come and ask us to help them. That was not just that one occasion; although there were a couple of times, where children did come to the base. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you sense your faith eroding in the middle of your deployment?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t sense my faith eroding. I didn\u2019t nurture my faith\u2014what I mean by that was\u2014it wasn\u2019t a conscious, \u201cOh, no, I\u2019m losing faith in God.\u201d I got so busy; and then, when I wasn\u2019t busy, I would just want to chill and relax. I didn\u2019t feed my soul as I should have on that deployment. I had some buddies, who were chaplains. We would get together on Sunday nights and watch some <em>really<\/em> corny, stupid movies\u2014and smoke cigars and just have a good time. Looking back, we really neglected to really take care of our own hearts together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Almost like, \u201cWe just need some time to anesthetize\u2014to pull out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I understand that escape; but if that\u2019s what you\u2019re doing\u2014and you\u2019re not building into yourself, spiritually\u2014you walk right back out into the real world and you get hit again; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> And on one of those nights, I remember vividly one of our buddies\u2014somebody knocked on the door and said: \u201cSir, come. We\u2019ve got an issue.\u201d He had to leave\u2014he was gone for a couple of days, because he\u2019d had some casualties that night. It was a very busy time\u2014not just in Iraq\u2014Afghanistan\u2014if you recall. We had a two-front war going, and they were both <em>blazing<\/em> hot at the same time. There was a <em>lot<\/em> of busyness in the military. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Darren, I appreciate you being honest about how you didn\u2019t feed your soul. I know we\u2019re talking about military marriages and families\u2014and what war does to them here and Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome\u2014but we\u2019re also talking about people who are doing life and are in a battle of their own. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The very description you gave of yourself could also describe a lot of our listeners, who are just doing life. They pull out on the battle and they chill. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They unplug, and they\u2019re not feeding their soul; so they\u2019re not really ready for the storms, for the floods, for the winds that will blow against your house and your home and potentially destroy it. I just want to encourage our listeners: \u201cListen carefully to this story this week, because this story and the movie are going to challenge you to pull back and evaluate your readiness for battle\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cin your marriage and your family.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Heather, as you were talking with Darren over the 15 months of deployment\u2014the times when you could connect\u2014could you sense something\u2019s happening to him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Not right away. You know, now, when he deploys, we have a lot of communication; but back then, he had very limited time in a cubicle\u2014and it was the time difference; then we had the lag in the answers and questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Sometimes, it would be like, \u201chut-hoit \/ hut-huit,\u201d and then I\u2019d start, then three second delay, and we could never finish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> And then I\u2019d answer the question he\u2019d asked before. Our phone conversations were <em>never<\/em> productive in terms of keeping in touch with each other. Then, of course, you\u2019ve got the kids\u2014and they want to speak\u2014they\u2019re asking him, you know: \u201cHave you seen camels? What are the scorpions like?\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 I think that\u2019s portrayed very well in <em>Indivisible<\/em>. She\u2019s in the kitchen, cooking\u2014and he\u2019s got his world going on; she\u2019s got her world going on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> That was very true for us. That was a lot of the problem\u2014we weren\u2019t able to connect with each other, verbally, very well. For me, that\u2019s my language\u2014is, you know, talking\u2014so we just weren\u2019t getting very much. I wasn\u2019t wanting to know all the classified things going on. But even still, he wasn\u2019t fully processing what was going on with him; so he was in no way to communicate to me what had been going on in his heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you\u2019re adapting to life without your husband\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and kind of getting used to this new rhythm of: \u201cThis is how I\u2019ve got to do this for a while.\u201d Pretty soon, it\u2019s kind of like: \u201cOh, yes; I\u2019ve got a husband. I\u2019ve got to remember that,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s not a daily reality for you; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Darren, I want to go back to a scene in the movie, where you walk up\u2014you\u2019re hearing about some casualties\u2014and one of the military personnel places a little girl\u2014an Iraqi girl in your arms. Did that really happen like that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That\u2019s not far from the truth. As I mentioned, there were multiple times when some families would bring injured kids to our bases. A couple of times, I was involved in helping them get to the medical facility. All I could think about were my own kids: \u201cWhat if this was my own kid?\u201d That was devastating\u2014and so did all the other soldiers\u2014I mean, when you see a little girl or a little boy come up\u2014and they\u2019ve been caught in whatever \/ an explosion or crossfire\u2014it really seizes everyone\u2019s attention and heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Was that really the first hard reality that you faced?\u2014or was it some of your buddies from your base that lost their lives or were injured that first really riveted you to the reality of where you were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> It was my own guys\u2014it was the military guys who died. As I mentioned\u2014a couple of months after we got there, we started going out and getting into the fight in the neighborhood. Once that happened, that began to really pile up. It wasn\u2019t just once every once in a while\u2014I mean, it was frequently. Then, my other chaplain buddies on the same base\u2014their guys were going through the same thing. There were a couple of months\u2014maybe July, August, September of 2007\u2014where there was a memorial ceremony just about every week at our base.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In those situations, do you find yourself just going, \u201cI\u2019ve got to figure out how to not care about this anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> question. That is an option, and I chose that option sometimes\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014just to go the next day. In any kind of trauma, one of the responses is, \u201cI need to numb myself,\u201d\u2014I mean, that\u2019s a whole other conversation; right?\u2014\u201cHow am I going to numb myself?\u201d There\u2019s a whole lot of ways to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut yes; I made that decision sometimes just to kind of check out, emotionally: \u201cI don\u2019t want to get close to guys, because I might lose them.\u201d I didn\u2019t neglect my soldiers at all\u2014I loved them\u2014I still love them to this day. But almost as a defense mechanism\u2014yes; I could easily go numb. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David and Esther, we kind of left you out of this discussion; but you understand why\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; this is good stuff; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because you have been as riveted by this story as we were, watching the movie. Your passion to bring the Turner\u2019s story to the screen was really driven by the fact that most of us don\u2019t have any idea the reality that our servicemen and women are facing and that our chaplains are facing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Absolutely; and I think, when folks see the film this weekend, they\u2019re going to establish a new appreciation for this role\u2014both when troops are at home and, especially, when they\u2019re deployed\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014how there\u2019s this important person that\u2019s serving alongside them\u2014the chaplain, who, even if they\u2019ve never been deployed before\u2014it\u2019s going to be someone that they begin to rely on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s interesting that, when we were filming <em>Indivisible<\/em>\u2014I learned from several chaplains that there\u2019s always Bibles available in the chaplain\u2019s tent. When those Bibles begin to disappear, it\u2019s when there\u2019s loss of life\u2014when someone loses a brother or fellow soldier, those Bibles start disappearing; because that\u2019s when people start turning to God. That\u2019s just one small example of things I think people will pick up in this film and they say, \u201cI never knew what a chaplain did; but I have a new appreciation, not only for chaplains, but for our troops and the wives and the families they leave behind.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are so many elements that we explore in this film that were just so appealing to Esther and [me] as we began to explore the story of Darren and Heather\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and really, you know, seeking God\u2019s will and having an understanding of the different\u2014when we started creating the different characters that you see in the film\u2014what ways, even beyond their story, there\u2019s other stories being told at the same time about other ways the enemy is fighting against couples \/ against their families when their husbands and wives are deployed. It\u2019s a story that we\u2019ve grown to love over the last six years, and we believe it\u2019s going to make a big impact.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You shared earlier with us, before we came in the studio, how this may be the first movie in a long, long time about a military chaplain and how he exercises his faith on the battlefield. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; we did some research. At least, for the past 50 years, we can\u2019t find a feature film about a chaplain or a war movie that\u2019s being told through the eyes of a chaplain as we do in <em>Indivisible<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, I think people either feel like that role is not important, or perhaps there\u2019s not a position like that that even exists anymore. I don\u2019t recall ever a movie, where you see a troop or a soldier being baptized\u2014not only at home but in the middle of Iraq\u2014just outside of Baghdad, as it happens in our film.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat one scene right there, for me, is enough to say: \u201cOkay; Lord, you put it on the screen. I believe it\u2019s going to just really touch people and open their eyes to the fact that, whether we\u2019re in Little Rock, Arkansas, as we are today, or whether you\u2019re in Baghdad, God is still there. His work is still being done,\u201d as you see through the life of Darren and Heather. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I just want our listeners to know that <em>Indivisible<\/em> is a five-star movie. They need to go see it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Wow; thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019re going to appreciate what our military is doing for us today and also in the past. I try never to walk by a military person without reaching out my hand and saying, \u201cThank you for your service, sir\u201d; so I\u2019ll do that right now with you, Darren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Thank you for your service\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014for protecting my family, and we\u2019ve got a big family\u2014it takes a lot of protection [emotion in voice].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It takes a lot of military personnel to provide that protection. If you haven\u2019t thanked a person, who has served or is serving recently\u2014and I\u2019d include emergency forces, and policemen\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>: \u2014and highway patrolmen in that group as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you know somebody, who is stateside in active duty or in the reserve, invite them to come with you this weekend to come see the movie. In fact, I would say\u2014if you know somebody\u2014maybe they don\u2019t go to church\u2014this is the kind of movie you can invite them to that will open up a spiritual conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The way faith is portrayed here is not cheesy. This is really well done and you\u2019re going to be really impressed. You\u2019ll be amazed at how buff the guy is who plays Darren. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> In 2007, I think I might have looked like that! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; okay, okay; send me pictures; okay? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> A lot of mac-n-cheese since then. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got, on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, the trailer for the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>,which opens this weekend in theaters. If folks want to see how buff the actor looks, they can go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information. Again, we hope that you\u2019ll make plans to go to the theater this weekend, especially if you know a couple who is in the military\u2014if you know a couple who one or both of them have been deployed\u2014invite them. Take them as you guests this weekend. You can find out more about the film when you go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA quick word of thanks today to the folks who help make this conversation happen. I\u2019m talking about those of you who listen regularly and who\u2014from time to time or every month as a Legacy Partner\u2014support the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> so that we can continue to engage people with practical biblical help and hope for marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think about the number of military marriages that are experiencing challenges; and FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has worked with the Military Ministry of Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, formerly Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, to help provide resources and to strengthen military marriages. 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You can also mail you donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, remember to ask for the 2019 calendar when you donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope you can be back with us tomorrow. We\u2019re going to continue to talk to Darren and Heather Turner and to David and Esther Evans about the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>, and about how Darren and Heather were able to bring healing to their marriage after Darren\u2019s deployment. We\u2019ll have that conversation tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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Guys, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Great to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Thank you for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sorry, ladies\u2014I referred to you as guys. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Esther:<\/strong> That\u2019s okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, David and Ester Evans live in Memphis, where David is part-time an optometrist\u2014fulltime\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014fulltime, really, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I was teasing you at that point. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Okay; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re a movie producer now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s our new calling\u2014at least for the last ten years or so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He gives leadership to Graceworks Pictures and is the co-writer of <em>Indivisible<\/em>. They have been married since 2001 and have three sons. Darren and Heather Turner are the featured couple of this movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; this is your story on the big screen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> This is crazy! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was this weird?\u2014watching a couple of Hollywood actors?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; it really was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Surreal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> It\u2019s surreal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you find yourself going, \u201cNo; that conversation didn\u2019t <em>actually<\/em> happen that way\u201d? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren: <\/strong>Yes; a couple of times, but we knew that was coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Our guests here\u2014I want to ask you\u2014I\u2019ll tell our listeners what you do in a second\u2014but did you think the guy who played you was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014was he buff enough? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014properly muscled up enough to represent you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> He made me look a <em>lot<\/em> better than I actually am. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I wasn\u2019t going to say that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> No; he looked every bit the part of a good military officer\u2014that\u2019s for sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>: He sure does. Darren and Heather have been married since 1999. They have three children as well. Darren serves as a military chaplain in the Army, and you\u2019ve done that now for\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; almost 12 years\u2014over halfway if I\u2019m going to make it a career, which I hope can happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So I want to ask either one of you: \u201cDid you have any idea that, when you started your relationship out\u2014after you\u2019d both been at the University of Georgia; you actually graduated from there\u2014you came the University of Georgia to recruit students\u2014did either one of you think you\u2019d ever end up in the military?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> It <em>never<\/em> occurred to me\u2014never at all. We actually had thought that, early on in our marriage, that\u2014we just assumed that we would go back into the mission field, overseas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; we were doing campus ministry for a few years. After we had had a couple of kids, Heather had known someone who had married a military member. We started talking to them. It seemed like a <em>great<\/em> fit the more we started learning about it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014particularly the chaplaincy\u2014so we began to pursue it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Why a great fit? Talk a little bit about chaplaincy\u2014and why that\u2019s different from being a pastor at a church or doing campus ministry and why you said, \u201cI think this is what I\u2019m supposed to be doing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> My father was in the National Guard; but that was before I was born, so I didn\u2019t really come from a strong multi-generational military family, per se. I didn\u2019t know much about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce we started learning about just the military culture\u2014how close knit that community is\u2014it sounded like something that we both were <em>very<\/em> interested in\u2014thinking, initially, maybe the mission field was where we were going to go to get that close community\u2014places we could live, and have kids together with folks, and just live life together. That turned out to be true in the military as well. That was attractive to us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you definitely went to the mission field\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, very quickly after you signed up with the Army.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How long before you were deployed as a chaplain? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I signed in on active duty on February 1<sup>st<\/sup> of 2007, and I deployed for 15 months in May of 2007\u2014just over three months. I couldn\u2019t even spell lieutenant\u2014it was brand-new. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It had to be surreal for you to have been on a college campus and now to find yourself in a foreign country. Where did you serve?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren: <\/strong>We went to Iraq, south of Bagdad, Iraq. In the middle of the surge\u2014if you recall, back in 2007\u2014that was when President Bush announced the surge, which meant he was going to push folks from these super bases out into the neighborhoods around Iraq to prevent the looming civil war that we thought might be happening. My brigade and battalion was the last group that went over as part of the surge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Darren, I think about military chaplains and I think: \u201cdomestic bases, and chapel on the base, and you\u2019re doing the worship service and the Bible study, and you\u2019re doing funerals if those need to happen.\u201d Its\u2019 kind of like you\u2019re helping with the spiritual life of people in this country, who are waiting to go overseas. I don\u2019t know that I\u2019d ever even stopped to think, until I watched the movie, that there are chaplains in forward areas. Watching the movie share your story brought to light just how strategic a chaplain is in a battlefield. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; we go where the troops are. Wherever the troops are, you\u2019re going to find a chaplain\u2014maybe not every single day at every single location\u2014but we rotate around. Wherever the sheep are, the shepherd needs to go; or the sheep are not cared for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014without a shepherd; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Heather, how ready was your marriage for deployment? The way it\u2019s portrayed in the movie, you guys were kind of cocky\u2014your marriage was strong, and you were doing quite well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Yes; I think if you had asked me then\u2014like in <em>Invisible<\/em>\u2014I would say: \u201cYes; we\u2019re absolutely ready for this. We\u2019ve prayed and prepared for this. This is <em>our<\/em> thing.\u201d I didn\u2019t join Darren after he was in the military. This is something that we prayed about together\u2014that we went into, as a team, to minister to people in the military. We were right where we thought we were prepared to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were on assignment\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right; we had been sent, and we were ready to go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We ought to say here, Heather, a lot of people lose sight of the fact that military wives are on assignment even if they\u2019re not deployed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I mean, the sacrifice for you \/ the challenge for you\u2014you\u2019re a single parent mom with\u2014were there three kids at the time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather: <\/strong>Exactly.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re trying to manage every aspect of life. You are sacrificially serving your family with your husband gone. I think that gets lost in our thinking about military couples today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather: <\/strong>I agree.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Darren, I want to just ask you\u2014you arrived at this base in Iraq: \u201cHow long before you realized you were no longer in Kansas?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Immediately. The location we were at in Iraq was, as I mentioned, was in the southern part\u2014probably we\u2019re 20\/25 minutes south of Baghdad. The nickname of the base was Mortaritaville\u2014we had mortars frequently. Some days there would be six or eight mortars that would just fly over. Some would hit on the base; usually, they hit in areas where nobody was. It was a huge base so a lot more dirt than there are people or tents. But within 24-48 hours [of his arrival] there was a mortar that came in; and I thought, \u201cI\u2019m not in Kansas anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When did it start to test your faith in terms of\u2014where you were facing war at a level you never anticipated? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> We had been there probably no more than a couple of months before we were ready to go out in sector\u2014so to speak. There was some training that kind of led up to that. We were taking over an area that another group had basically released over to us as they prepared to go home. As our guys started pushing out into the areas, it wasn\u2019t long before we started taking casualties. That summer\/fall of 2007 was really rough\u2014we lost a lot of guys. [Silence] Sorry [full of emotion]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I thought I was prepared for that, but I don\u2019t think I was. I don\u2019t think you can be prepared for that. I\u2019ve described it to some people as trying to describe the color red to a blind person. You cannot physically do that until you get to see that color. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a scene in the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>, where you were called out of your tent to meet some people who were coming back. I don\u2019t know\u2014was it this battle that you are speaking of? They were coming back from trying to get occupation of that area again\u2014where they came back with both the injured soldiers but, also, some of the civilians who had been injured as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That happened multiple times. There were a lot of IEDs\u2014which are improvised explosive devices\u2014roadside bombs, as sometimes we would refer to them as. They were indiscriminate of who they would hit. Sometimes, they were just pressure plate bombs; so whoever drove over it next would get blown up\u2014sometimes that was service members; sometimes it was local Iraqis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen that would happen to locals, they would come to US bases because that\u2019s the best medical care at the time anywhere close by. They would come and ask us to help them. That was not just that one occasion; although there were a couple of times, where children did come to the base. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you sense your faith eroding in the middle of your deployment?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t sense my faith eroding. I didn\u2019t nurture my faith\u2014what I mean by that was\u2014it wasn\u2019t a conscious, \u201cOh, no, I\u2019m losing faith in God.\u201d I got so busy; and then, when I wasn\u2019t busy, I would just want to chill and relax. I didn\u2019t feed my soul as I should have on that deployment. I had some buddies, who were chaplains. We would get together on Sunday nights and watch some <em>really<\/em> corny, stupid movies\u2014and smoke cigars and just have a good time. Looking back, we really neglected to really take care of our own hearts together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Almost like, \u201cWe just need some time to anesthetize\u2014to pull out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I understand that escape; but if that\u2019s what you\u2019re doing\u2014and you\u2019re not building into yourself, spiritually\u2014you walk right back out into the real world and you get hit again; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> And on one of those nights, I remember vividly one of our buddies\u2014somebody knocked on the door and said: \u201cSir, come. We\u2019ve got an issue.\u201d He had to leave\u2014he was gone for a couple of days, because he\u2019d had some casualties that night. It was a very busy time\u2014not just in Iraq\u2014Afghanistan\u2014if you recall. We had a two-front war going, and they were both <em>blazing<\/em> hot at the same time. There was a <em>lot<\/em> of busyness in the military. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Darren, I appreciate you being honest about how you didn\u2019t feed your soul. I know we\u2019re talking about military marriages and families\u2014and what war does to them here and Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome\u2014but we\u2019re also talking about people who are doing life and are in a battle of their own. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The very description you gave of yourself could also describe a lot of our listeners, who are just doing life. They pull out on the battle and they chill. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They unplug, and they\u2019re not feeding their soul; so they\u2019re not really ready for the storms, for the floods, for the winds that will blow against your house and your home and potentially destroy it. I just want to encourage our listeners: \u201cListen carefully to this story this week, because this story and the movie are going to challenge you to pull back and evaluate your readiness for battle\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cin your marriage and your family.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Heather, as you were talking with Darren over the 15 months of deployment\u2014the times when you could connect\u2014could you sense something\u2019s happening to him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Not right away. You know, now, when he deploys, we have a lot of communication; but back then, he had very limited time in a cubicle\u2014and it was the time difference; then we had the lag in the answers and questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Sometimes, it would be like, \u201chut-hoit \/ hut-huit,\u201d and then I\u2019d start, then three second delay, and we could never finish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> And then I\u2019d answer the question he\u2019d asked before. Our phone conversations were <em>never<\/em> productive in terms of keeping in touch with each other. Then, of course, you\u2019ve got the kids\u2014and they want to speak\u2014they\u2019re asking him, you know: \u201cHave you seen camels? What are the scorpions like?\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 I think that\u2019s portrayed very well in <em>Indivisible<\/em>. She\u2019s in the kitchen, cooking\u2014and he\u2019s got his world going on; she\u2019s got her world going on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> That was very true for us. That was a lot of the problem\u2014we weren\u2019t able to connect with each other, verbally, very well. For me, that\u2019s my language\u2014is, you know, talking\u2014so we just weren\u2019t getting very much. I wasn\u2019t wanting to know all the classified things going on. But even still, he wasn\u2019t fully processing what was going on with him; so he was in no way to communicate to me what had been going on in his heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you\u2019re adapting to life without your husband\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and kind of getting used to this new rhythm of: \u201cThis is how I\u2019ve got to do this for a while.\u201d Pretty soon, it\u2019s kind of like: \u201cOh, yes; I\u2019ve got a husband. I\u2019ve got to remember that,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s not a daily reality for you; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heather:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Darren, I want to go back to a scene in the movie, where you walk up\u2014you\u2019re hearing about some casualties\u2014and one of the military personnel places a little girl\u2014an Iraqi girl in your arms. Did that really happen like that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That\u2019s not far from the truth. As I mentioned, there were multiple times when some families would bring injured kids to our bases. A couple of times, I was involved in helping them get to the medical facility. All I could think about were my own kids: \u201cWhat if this was my own kid?\u201d That was devastating\u2014and so did all the other soldiers\u2014I mean, when you see a little girl or a little boy come up\u2014and they\u2019ve been caught in whatever \/ an explosion or crossfire\u2014it really seizes everyone\u2019s attention and heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Was that really the first hard reality that you faced?\u2014or was it some of your buddies from your base that lost their lives or were injured that first really riveted you to the reality of where you were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> It was my own guys\u2014it was the military guys who died. As I mentioned\u2014a couple of months after we got there, we started going out and getting into the fight in the neighborhood. Once that happened, that began to really pile up. It wasn\u2019t just once every once in a while\u2014I mean, it was frequently. Then, my other chaplain buddies on the same base\u2014their guys were going through the same thing. There were a couple of months\u2014maybe July, August, September of 2007\u2014where there was a memorial ceremony just about every week at our base.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In those situations, do you find yourself just going, \u201cI\u2019ve got to figure out how to not care about this anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> That\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> question. That is an option, and I chose that option sometimes\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014just to go the next day. In any kind of trauma, one of the responses is, \u201cI need to numb myself,\u201d\u2014I mean, that\u2019s a whole other conversation; right?\u2014\u201cHow am I going to numb myself?\u201d There\u2019s a whole lot of ways to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut yes; I made that decision sometimes just to kind of check out, emotionally: \u201cI don\u2019t want to get close to guys, because I might lose them.\u201d I didn\u2019t neglect my soldiers at all\u2014I loved them\u2014I still love them to this day. But almost as a defense mechanism\u2014yes; I could easily go numb. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David and Esther, we kind of left you out of this discussion; but you understand why\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; this is good stuff; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because you have been as riveted by this story as we were, watching the movie. Your passion to bring the Turner\u2019s story to the screen was really driven by the fact that most of us don\u2019t have any idea the reality that our servicemen and women are facing and that our chaplains are facing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Absolutely; and I think, when folks see the film this weekend, they\u2019re going to establish a new appreciation for this role\u2014both when troops are at home and, especially, when they\u2019re deployed\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014how there\u2019s this important person that\u2019s serving alongside them\u2014the chaplain, who, even if they\u2019ve never been deployed before\u2014it\u2019s going to be someone that they begin to rely on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s interesting that, when we were filming <em>Indivisible<\/em>\u2014I learned from several chaplains that there\u2019s always Bibles available in the chaplain\u2019s tent. When those Bibles begin to disappear, it\u2019s when there\u2019s loss of life\u2014when someone loses a brother or fellow soldier, those Bibles start disappearing; because that\u2019s when people start turning to God. That\u2019s just one small example of things I think people will pick up in this film and they say, \u201cI never knew what a chaplain did; but I have a new appreciation, not only for chaplains, but for our troops and the wives and the families they leave behind.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are so many elements that we explore in this film that were just so appealing to Esther and [me] as we began to explore the story of Darren and Heather\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and really, you know, seeking God\u2019s will and having an understanding of the different\u2014when we started creating the different characters that you see in the film\u2014what ways, even beyond their story, there\u2019s other stories being told at the same time about other ways the enemy is fighting against couples \/ against their families when their husbands and wives are deployed. It\u2019s a story that we\u2019ve grown to love over the last six years, and we believe it\u2019s going to make a big impact.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You shared earlier with us, before we came in the studio, how this may be the first movie in a long, long time about a military chaplain and how he exercises his faith on the battlefield. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; we did some research. At least, for the past 50 years, we can\u2019t find a feature film about a chaplain or a war movie that\u2019s being told through the eyes of a chaplain as we do in <em>Indivisible<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, I think people either feel like that role is not important, or perhaps there\u2019s not a position like that that even exists anymore. I don\u2019t recall ever a movie, where you see a troop or a soldier being baptized\u2014not only at home but in the middle of Iraq\u2014just outside of Baghdad, as it happens in our film.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat one scene right there, for me, is enough to say: \u201cOkay; Lord, you put it on the screen. I believe it\u2019s going to just really touch people and open their eyes to the fact that, whether we\u2019re in Little Rock, Arkansas, as we are today, or whether you\u2019re in Baghdad, God is still there. His work is still being done,\u201d as you see through the life of Darren and Heather. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I just want our listeners to know that <em>Indivisible<\/em> is a five-star movie. They need to go see it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Wow; thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019re going to appreciate what our military is doing for us today and also in the past. I try never to walk by a military person without reaching out my hand and saying, \u201cThank you for your service, sir\u201d; so I\u2019ll do that right now with you, Darren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Thank you for your service\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014for protecting my family, and we\u2019ve got a big family\u2014it takes a lot of protection [emotion in voice].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It takes a lot of military personnel to provide that protection. If you haven\u2019t thanked a person, who has served or is serving recently\u2014and I\u2019d include emergency forces, and policemen\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>: \u2014and highway patrolmen in that group as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you know somebody, who is stateside in active duty or in the reserve, invite them to come with you this weekend to come see the movie. In fact, I would say\u2014if you know somebody\u2014maybe they don\u2019t go to church\u2014this is the kind of movie you can invite them to that will open up a spiritual conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The way faith is portrayed here is not cheesy. This is really well done and you\u2019re going to be really impressed. You\u2019ll be amazed at how buff the guy is who plays Darren. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> In 2007, I think I might have looked like that! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; okay, okay; send me pictures; okay? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Darren:<\/strong> A lot of mac-n-cheese since then. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got, on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, the trailer for the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>,which opens this weekend in theaters. If folks want to see how buff the actor looks, they can go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information. Again, we hope that you\u2019ll make plans to go to the theater this weekend, especially if you know a couple who is in the military\u2014if you know a couple who one or both of them have been deployed\u2014invite them. Take them as you guests this weekend. You can find out more about the film when you go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA quick word of thanks today to the folks who help make this conversation happen. I\u2019m talking about those of you who listen regularly and who\u2014from time to time or every month as a Legacy Partner\u2014support the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> so that we can continue to engage people with practical biblical help and hope for marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think about the number of military marriages that are experiencing challenges; and FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has worked with the Military Ministry of Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, formerly Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, to help provide resources and to strengthen military marriages. Our goal is to effectively develop godly marriages and families; and you, as a listener, make that possible every time you call, or go online, or mail a donation to help support this work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRight now, if you can help with a donation, we\u2019d love to send you our 2019 calendar. It\u2019s all about family <em>togetherness<\/em> as a family. There are activities that we\u2019re suggesting each month for families to do; and there\u2019s a Scripture verse for you to memorize each month, as a family, as well. Get you calendar when you make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and make a donation. You can also mail you donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, remember to ask for the 2019 calendar when you donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope you can be back with us tomorrow. We\u2019re going to continue to talk to Darren and Heather Turner and to David and Esther Evans about the movie, <em>Indivisible<\/em>, and about how Darren and Heather were able to bring healing to their marriage after Darren\u2019s deployment. We\u2019ll have that conversation tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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