{"id":300425,"date":"2018-10-22T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-10-22T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/legacy-minded-man\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:36","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:36","slug":"legacy-minded-man","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/legacy-minded-man\/","title":{"rendered":"Legacy Minded Man"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>May 26, 1995 is a reset date for Joe Pellegrino. On that day at a Promise Keepers conference he committed himself to the Lord. 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No matter where you are today, your legacy can be reshaped.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> <a id=\"_Hlk527054371\">I don\u2019t care what your legacy is right now; I don\u2019t care what\u2019s been written today. It doesn\u2019t mean that the same legacy cannot be changed dramatically and be transformed tomorrow into something that is absolutely <em>powerful<\/em>. I\u2019ve seen it; I know it works\u2014I\u2019ve seen it in my own life<\/a>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, October 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. What does it take to transform a legacy? We\u2019ll talk today with Joe Pellegrino about that. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. [Speaking with a Jersey accent] So how you doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve already got the accent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>[With accent] I feel like I need to do a little of this for the show today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got a guy\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014[[With accent] from Jersey. We\u2019ve got a guy from Jersey on the show, so I thought I would do my best Jersey. How am I doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How\u2019s he doing, Joe?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Oh man! Why do I have to put up with this? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because it\u2019s <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [With accent] So how you doing?\u2014how you doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I\u2019m doing very well; very well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yous guys okay? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That voice from Jersey is Joe Pellegrino, who is the founder of Legacy Minded Men. He\u2019s written a book called <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man<\/em>. He\u2019s got a heart for helping men become all that God made them to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoe, we were talking, before we came into the studio, just about how Promise Keepers was used in your life, back in the spring of 1995. Take us to that stadium and what was taking place in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> We were going on May 26-27, 1995, to RFK Stadium in Washington DC. I brought my brother-in-law and my business partners so that they could get <em>saved<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You brought them to get saved?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I brought them to get saved. What happened was\u2014I got saved that day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, now, take us back; because you\u2019d been on a faith journey for a while. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Oh yes; you could say that; but like so many men, I was living a lie. I was not being transparent\/authentic. I was involved in great sin\u2014doing a lot of things wrong and justifying a lot in the name of Jesus\u2014wrong! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wanted to have my brother-in-law and my best friend go to get to find out who the Lord was. It was unbelievable how He broke me down; and from that day forward, Christ has transformed my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you grow up in a household where faith was any part of it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I grew up in the Catholic church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> So every Sunday, we would go there. I\u2019d feel good for an hour; I\u2019d leave, and I didn\u2019t [feel good any more].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had some spiritual awareness, though, during your teen years and your young adult years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I did not know who Jesus was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I did not know that He was the Savior of the world\u2014I did not know any of that. To be quite frank with you, Jesus was a curse word to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Take us back to your life in your teenage years\u2014what were they like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I was very good in sports, but I was exceptionally good in baseball. I was the kid who never practiced, because I had the natural ability; so I was always better than the kids when I was <em>young<\/em>. But then, when you get in high school, you find out that: \u201cYou know what? Some of these other kids are good too.\u201d Except the difference is\u2014they practiced, and they passed me. It was my fault; I recognized all the lost opportunities I had. I really believe I could have been a ball player\u2014you know, on a stage and playing centerfield for the Yankees, which was my dream.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, you got a tryout with the Yankees.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I did. In 1984, I did try out for the New York Yankees\u2014which was absolutely awesome\u2014at the old Yankee stadium. It was fun\u2014I\u2019ll never forget my father\u2019s face \/ how it all came about\u2014but wow! It was an awesome day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut lies were my native language. You see, when I was a kid, I wanted to be somebody; and I wanted to be accepted. Now, I had a good man for a father\u2014he was a very good man\u2014he just wasn\u2019t a great teaching father. He used reverse psychology on me quite a bit. I needed to be affirmed when I was younger. When I wasn\u2019t affirmed, I just affirmed myself\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I affirmed myself by making up stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You told that many lies?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did your father handle that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> You know what? It was like a hands-off kind of thing. I mean, I never was really disciplined as a child. It was like we had two different families\u2014my three older sisters were eight years older, twelve years older, and fifteen years older. <em>They<\/em> were apparently raised differently than I was\u2014at least, that\u2019s what they tell me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So take us to that stadium at Promise Keepers\u2014what hit you that day as you were sitting there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I believe it was Joe Garlington\u2014Pastor Joe Garlington from Pittsburgh. He was saying something and then he sang a song, <em>Knowing You, Jesus<\/em>. I remember just laying flat out on the field at RFK and just saying, \u201cLord, I can\u2019t do this anymore.\u201d I came back a <em>changed<\/em> man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fun part about that is Joe Garlington spoke for our ministry about four years ago. I had told him about it, and he ended the conference by singing me that song\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> \u2014which was really powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What did your brother and your business associate think as they saw you laid out flat at RFK?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I honestly couldn\u2019t\u2014it was my brother-in-law\u2014but honestly, I couldn\u2019t tell you; because I was so just blown away at what God had done in my life. All the things that God gave me as gifts, that I had used against Him, I was now flipping the switch and using them <em>for<\/em> Him. That\u2019s the way I wanted to go forward. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI recognized that changes needed to be made in my life. The most important change was who I surrounded myself with\u2014the inner circle. You know, 1 Corinthians 15:33 says: \u201cDo not be misled. Bad company corrupts good character.\u201d If that\u2019s <em>true<\/em>, then the opposite is also true\u2014good company <em>promotes<\/em> good character\u2014so I started surrounding myself with men that were going to lift me up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that was a pivotal point in your life; but it also changed how you think about manhood, and about purpose, and what we\u2019re here for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; that all came years later. This was just about being a believer now and understanding that. I remember coming back from Promise Keepers and going to my home church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe got in this big circle. It was the first time I was going to be involved with corporate prayer. The guys were praying as we were going around, and my mind is just everywhere else except [prayer]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen it was over, I raised my hand and said, \u201cGuys, I need to apologize.\u201d \u201cWhat do you need to apologize for?\u201d \u201cWell guys, as you\u2019re talking, I\u2019m thinking about everything else.\u201d They said, \u201cDo you think you\u2019re unique?\u201d That was the first time I recognized: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019m not unique.\u201d These are struggles that people have\u2014men <em>and<\/em> women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the challenge, specifically for men that I know, now\u2014some 25 years later\u2014is recognizing that we all are struggling with things. And so much of us have the same vein running through us, but we\u2019re so ashamed to <em>admit<\/em> it. If we simply would <em>share<\/em> it\u2014that\u2019s why we believe in our conferences and do break-out sessions\u2014because, at a break-out session, you get a bold man, who tells about the rocks on his table and the challenges that he\u2019s facing. When he does, you can see another man in the group\u2014their shoulders actually drop and they\u2019re like: \u201cIt is safe here. Hey guys, this is what I\u2019m going through.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Joe, I don\u2019t hear guys use the word, \u201cposer,\u201d much anymore.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But men are almost, instinctively, naturally posers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Oh my goodness; <em>absolutely<\/em>\u2014because how many times do you hear people say to a young man: \u201cBe a man! Be a man!\u201d? The problem is\u2014we never tell them what a man is\u2014a real man. They get a look at their father, or they get a look at <em>Playboy<\/em>, or they get a look at whatever; and that\u2019s where they\u2019re determining what a real man is. We\u2019re not telling that: \u201cIt\u2019s powerful to be a man,\u201d \/ \u201cIt\u2019s great to be a man\u201d; but there is a lot of responsibility that goes with it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, therefore\u2014you know, a poser? Yes; because we\u2019re trying to go through life, and we\u2019re trying to figure this out: \u201cIs this what I\u2019m supposed to be?\u201d But no; authenticity and transparency are <em>essential<\/em> to being a real man of God\u2014a legacy-minded man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And if a man\u2019s going to be that kind of a man on a mission,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014he needs to know what his purpose is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; he does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and where he\u2019s headed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; he does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Speak to that if you would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Well, I think before we get to purpose, I think we need to talk about identity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think identity is far more important at this point than purpose because identity is going to point us to purpose. So in the book, <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man,<\/em> we outline\u2014myself and my coauthor, Jack Redmond\u2014outline seven pillars that I\u2019ve learned, over the course of my life, that are\u2014I believe they\u2019re bedrock. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut in order for them to work\u2014and this is very important\u2014we need to build them on a proper foundation, because we know pillars are heavy. If they\u2019re built on the sand, they\u2019re going to fall. We need to make sure that the foundation that we put these pillars on is strong and stable; and therefore, that foundation is the foundation of Jesus Christ. If we\u2019re not building on that, we\u2019re building on sand. I don\u2019t care how successful anybody is in life\u2014that is building on sand\u2014so therefore, we build on the rock-solid foundation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we get to the seven pillars, pillar number one is essential\u2014it\u2019s prayer. We recognize that prayer provides us with the ability to communicate with the Creator\u2014the Creator of us! That\u2019s unbelievable! It\u2019s vertical, but it\u2019s a two-way vertical. It\u2019s not one-way that most people think; it\u2019s a two-way\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014He opens the door to say: \u201cHey, communicate with Me; share with Me; talk with Me; and then, sit and listen for My voice.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mention, in the book, that prayer scares a lot of men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes, sir. As a matter of fact, I believe we put a big caution stamp on that chapter and said: \u201cHey, listen, gentlemen, if you get here, and you look at the word, \u2018prayer,\u2019 please don\u2019t stop here,\u201d because we know it scares people. Prayer is not about speaking words to an invisible creature\u2014no! It is understanding that, if we recognize the power of prayer, it enables us to understand that prayer taps into a God who loves us \/ who wants to share His blessing <em>with<\/em> us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Joe, you said the first time you were in a prayer circle with guys, praying out loud, your mind was going all kinds of places. Have you figured out how to engage in prayer at a different level? Can you coach a guy, who is saying: \u201cI\u2019ve tried to pray. I\u2019m not good at it; it is intimidating\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; when we\u2019re in a group\u2014is that what you\u2019re talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; what do we do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> So what I do is\u2014I open my eyes. When I close my eyes, I\u2019ll generally do the head shake\u2014where something\/a thought is coming into my mind and somebody is praying, and I shake it away like\u2014in other words, \u201cChange the channel here.\u201d But when I open my eyes, I find I\u2019m much more focused. Listen, let\u2019s be real\u2014the devil <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em> want us to pray; he doesn\u2019t want us to communicate\u2014so opening my eyes always helps.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting that you\u2019d say that\u2014and obviously, kind of counter-intuitive\u2014because we\u2019ve all been brought up, saying, \u201cBow your head; close your eyes\u2026\u201d But I think there\u2019s something to the focus that can come with looking at the other guy, who\u2019s praying, and paying attention, and nodding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think one of the reasons why it\u2019s so difficult to pray\u2014and Joe points this out in his book\u2014is prayer actually says, \u201cThere is a God, and He\u2019s not me.\u201d And this thing called prayer demands humility. It demands that we empty ourselves of ourselves and say: \u201cI can\u2019t fix it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cI don\u2019t have the solution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI need help.\u201d Because prayer, at its essence\u2014Hebrews 11:6 talks about the person who comes to God must come to Him in faith, believing that He is, and that He is the one who rewards those who seek Him with faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Amen. Jeremiah 33:3\u2014it says, \u201cCall to Me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.\u201d Jeremiah was looking for answers; and God was saying, \u201cCome to Me.\u201d Are we any different than him? We need to go to Him, and <em>that<\/em> unlocks the power of who we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when we start with a firm foundation\u2014our life is anchored in Christ\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014we learn how to pray, how to walk with Him, how to communicate with Him\u2014you\u2019re saying it\u2019s on that basis that we can now understand our identity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Persona is discovering, through our relationship with a living God, who we really are; because that communication\u2014which again \/ I\u2019ll say again\u2014is a two-way communication. It\u2019s not one way; it is two-way, and it\u2019s <em>powerful<\/em>. One of the greatest problems that I find, as I go around the country, is\u2014men don\u2019t know who they are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re living in an identity crisis time. There\u2019s an identity thief out there, and it\u2019s not somebody trying to steal your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014your credit cards.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> It\u2019s the devil, and he\u2019s trying to steal who you <em>are<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> \u2014and who you were created <em>to be<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Talk about your own journey here\u2014from the lying\/cheating persona that you embraced, as a teenager, to the transformation that God did in your life. How have you come to understand who you are and understand your persona?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Well, the only way to understand who you are, again, is through a connection with God. He connects with us, also, through His Word; so, as you read the Word of God, it <em>screams<\/em> at you. I mean, I\u2019m sure you guys are the same way\u2014you could read a verse a hundred times; but on the one hundred-first time, it jumps off the page at you and slaps you in the face and says, \u201cI\u2019m here!\u201d It teaches us who we are supposed to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo you want to study what it means to be a legacy-minded man. And for me, the legacy-minded verse is 1 Corinthians 16, verses13 and 14, which says: \u201cBe alert. Stand firm in the faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBe men of courage. Be strong. Do everything in love.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it\u2019s the second part of that verse\u2014that really, I like to focus on\u2014which says, \u201cStand firm in the faith.\u201d Here\u2019s the problem with that statement\u2014in order to stand firm in something, you need to absolutely <em>know<\/em> what you believe. Now, I know one thing as I go around\u2014I ask the question \u201cWhat do you believe?\u201d Everybody can tell me what they believe; everybody has <em>no problem<\/em> telling me what they believe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when I do the follow-up question: \u201cWhy?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where the problem comes. I could tell you this\u2014everybody listening to this show right now\u2014your back is going to be up against the wall at one time or another. When you are squeezed, what\u2019s going to come out of you is what\u2019s really inside you. Don\u2019t you want to know, in advance, what\u2019s going to come out of you in those difficult times? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Know<\/em> what you believe; know <em>why<\/em> you believe it\u2014because we most likely are the creation of somebody else\u2019s dreams or somebody else\u2019s belief system\u2014whether we\u2019re children and we\u2019re believing on what our parents believed, or if you\u2019re a university student and you\u2019re believing now on what your professors are telling you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou need to understand who <em>you<\/em> are and what you believe. God will reveal to you exactly who He is to you through your communication with Him and through the Word of God, and He\u2019ll reveal to you who <em>you<\/em> are in Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You say in your book that character, along with attitude, are the keys to your persona. Explain what you mean by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Attitude is one of two divine words, I believe, in the English language; the other one is joy. The reason why attitude is a divine word is because\u2014if you take the word, \u201cattitude,\u201d\u2014spell it out on a piece of paper, and spread out the letters, and then you associate the numeric value for each letter, and you add it up\u2014so for example, \u201cA\u201d is 1; \u201cT\u201d is 20\u2014you add it up; it equals 100. To me, that\u2019s a divine purpose; because you see, when we say, \u201cI\u2019m going to give 110 percent,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s impossible! You cannot give \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t110 percent; you can give a maximum of 100 percent. However, you can give only 50 percent; you can give 70 percent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I believe that what we need to do is have an attitude that is focused on understanding that God has crafted us for a specific purpose and that we\u2019re going to go and do the best we possibly can in our character, which means\u2014when nobody\u2019s looking, I\u2019m going to be the man I am even in front of an audience. As I speak before people, I recognize that I have to be the same person when I\u2019m home that I am right here; otherwise, there\u2019s disconnect, and I am opening up the door for Satan to put his foot in and kick it wide open. I <em>refuse<\/em> to do that\u2014I\u2019ve screwed up enough in my life; I don\u2019t want to do that again. I\u2019m here because I want to leave a <em>powerful<\/em> and lasting legacy for <em>generations<\/em> to come. I want to be able to help men\u2014point them to the exact same thing\u2014to leave a powerful legacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd by the way, on that subject real quick\u2014I don\u2019t care what your legacy is right now; I don\u2019t care what\u2019s been written today. It doesn\u2019t mean that the same legacy cannot be changed dramatically and be transformed tomorrow into something that is absolutely <em>powerful<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve seen it; I know it works\u2014I\u2019ve seen it in my own life!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Describe your legacy and what it would have been before you placed your faith in Christ. Then, I want you to contrast it with what you think your legacy will be, based upon the past 23 years that you have invested in men and calling men to be legacy-minded men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> You know, Dennis, you\u2019re asking a very difficult thing of me; because I absolutely hate thinking about the past. I just shudder at what would have happened if in some of the instances, where I could have passed away \/ I could have died, and what would have happened. Number one: I would have spent an eternity apart from God; but number two: what kind of legacy would I have left behind? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAbout three years ago, guys, it was a beautiful November day. I said: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019ll go up in the attic.\u201d I go up in the attic, and there was a <em>bunch<\/em> of junk. I kept every textbook from college. I don\u2019t know why\u2014I never studied when I was in school\u2014but I kept these textbooks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had all my baseball magazines and everything. I said: \u201cYou know what? Rather than go through them up here, on my knees, I\u2019m going to bring everything down.\u201d I spread it out over the drive because, like I said, it was a beautiful day. And you know, it was kind of fun going through the past and looking through all my baseball stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, in the midst of going through it, my joy turned to anger; because I found some things that I thought were long gone. I was determining what to keep and what not; and once I saw those, the decision was easy. I backed my car up\u2014I threw everything into the back of that car. I went right down to the recycling and got rid of it. Now, you know what I\u2019m talking about when I tell you some of the things I found. Some of the things I found I recognized, as I was driving back from the dump: \u201cWhat would have happened if I died and as my boys\u201d\u2014who loved baseball\u2014\u201cwould have been going through all this gold\u2014would have found these things?\u201d Now, I\u2019ve shared with them about who I was\u2014not everything\u2014but I\u2019ve shared with them who I was, so I don\u2019t think it would have been a shock; but you know something?\u2014when you actually see it, it makes it real.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI realized there was legacy in the attic. I started thinking about the power of the legacy in the attic and what we need to do is to recognize that: \u201cOur attic could be a cell phone; it could be a computer; it could be what\u2019s in the closet.\u201d There are things that, when we leave, are going to speak boldly to our legacy. I know one thing\u2014when I die, I don\u2019t want anything about the old Joe; I want everything to be dead, because I <em>died<\/em> and now I\u2019m risen again in Christ. That\u2019s all I care about. I\u2019m an imperfect man\u2014an average Joe, if you will\u2014but the reality is\u2014I\u2019m a man who recognizes the power\/the sheer power of legacy and what it can do; because we, gentlemen, have gone from <em>Father Knows Best<\/em> in one generation to \u201cFather knows nothing,\u201d in the next. We have to change that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you were talking, I just was thinking how your life is now really reflected in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians 16, verses 13 and 14. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to restate it for a man\u2014who is listening right now\u2014or maybe that man\u2019s wife or girlfriend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> 1 Corinthians 16:13 and 14: \u201cBe watchful,\u201d\u2014a man, who\u2019s leaving a godly legacy, is on the alert. \u201cStand firm in the faith,\u201d\u2014it means he has one, and he does know what he believes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It says, \u201cAct like men,\u201d\u2014not like boys\u2014\u201cBe strong. Let all that you do be done in love.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a lot of men who think that being a man means lording it over a woman\u2014not truly caring for her soul \/ for her as a woman\u2014may be abusive in speech\/physically. We\u2019re talking to men today who have some past that needs to be repented of, and they need to turn away from it and turn to Christ. What would you say to that man, right now, who\u2019s listening?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Amen. I would say: \u201cDo it now! Don\u2019t wait! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt is absolutely easy to transform your life by simply opening up your hands, and releasing it to the Lord, and letting <em>Him<\/em> take over. And as difficult as it is, gentlemen, to take your hands off the wheel, let me tell you something\u2014it is freeing; because it allows you to take the seat over, relax a little bit, and recognize: \u2018Lord, You\u2019re in control. I don\u2019t have to have this incredible burden on my life. You\u2019re giving me the Guide Book \/ the Playbook to go through this life. Lord, would You do me one more favor?\u2019 Ask Him to surround you with godly men, who are going to raise you up, lift you up, and hold you accountable; because too many men are not being held accountable for their actions today\u2014that\u2019s why we fall. Therefore, surround yourself with godly men, who are going to be there for you. It\u2019s awesome!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Get in the Book\u2014and we\u2019re speaking of the Bible\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and I\u2019d encourage you to get a copy of Joe\u2019s book, <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot of overlap\u2014don\u2019t you think?\u2014between what Joe has written and what you wrote in your book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>\u2014what\u2019s in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series. I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014it calls men up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It calls men to look forward and not look at the past and be captured by their past.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If our listeners have been through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series, this would be a great follow-up for them to go through on their own, or with their sons, or with a men\u2019s small group. If you\u2019ve not yet been through Dennis\u2019s book or the video series\u2014the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014we\u2019ve got information about that content and about Joe\u2019s book, <em>Transformed<\/em>. All of it is available at our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. I think the overarching message of what you\u2019ve heard today is: \u201cDon\u2019t be passive; but call one another, as men, to go deeper and to go farther in their relationship with Christ; and then, put some shoe leather to that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, find out more about the book, <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man,<\/em> when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. There\u2019s also information on the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em> and the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you want to see a trailer for the series, that\u2019s available there. The website, again: FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can order any of these resources when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, often, when we get to conversations like these, we will hear back from guys who will tell us that this kind of dialogue was a wake-up call. God used it in their life to stir them from complacency to spiritual activity. That\u2019s our goal with these kinds of conversations\u2014whether we\u2019re talking about men being transformed, or moms and dads investing in the next generation, husbands and wives resolving conflict and making their marriage all that God wants it to be\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014whatever it is we\u2019re addressing, our goal is that you would, not just listen, but that you would apply what you hear and that God would bring about transformation in your home. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> exists to effectively develop godly marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor those of you who help support this ministry\u2014we are a listener-supported ministry\u2014every donation you send is used to extend the reach of this ministry so that more people can, more regularly, be challenged, encouraged, convicted, and supported in their role in the family. I want to challenge you to make a donation today and help support this ministry. If you\u2019re a long-time listener and you\u2019ve never donated, join the team that makes <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> available for your community and for people all around the world. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call to donate: 1-800-FL-TODAY; or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. When you make a donation, be sure to ask for the FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> 2019 calendar. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s all about building family togetherness\u2014having fun together and growing closer as a family. The calendar is our thank-you gift to you. Be sure to request it when you donate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you can be back with us tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk about how a man can be engaged in passing on a legacy of spiritual vitality to the next generation. Joe Pellegrino will be back with us, again, tomorrow. I hope you can be here as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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I\u2019ve seen it; I know it works\u2014I\u2019ve seen it in my own life<\/a>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, October 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. What does it take to transform a legacy? We\u2019ll talk today with Joe Pellegrino about that. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. [Speaking with a Jersey accent] So how you doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve already got the accent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>[With accent] I feel like I need to do a little of this for the show today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got a guy\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014[[With accent] from Jersey. We\u2019ve got a guy from Jersey on the show, so I thought I would do my best Jersey. How am I doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How\u2019s he doing, Joe?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Oh man! Why do I have to put up with this? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because it\u2019s <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [With accent] So how you doing?\u2014how you doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I\u2019m doing very well; very well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yous guys okay? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That voice from Jersey is Joe Pellegrino, who is the founder of Legacy Minded Men. He\u2019s written a book called <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man<\/em>. He\u2019s got a heart for helping men become all that God made them to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoe, we were talking, before we came into the studio, just about how Promise Keepers was used in your life, back in the spring of 1995. Take us to that stadium and what was taking place in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> We were going on May 26-27, 1995, to RFK Stadium in Washington DC. I brought my brother-in-law and my business partners so that they could get <em>saved<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You brought them to get saved?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I brought them to get saved. What happened was\u2014I got saved that day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, now, take us back; because you\u2019d been on a faith journey for a while. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Oh yes; you could say that; but like so many men, I was living a lie. I was not being transparent\/authentic. I was involved in great sin\u2014doing a lot of things wrong and justifying a lot in the name of Jesus\u2014wrong! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wanted to have my brother-in-law and my best friend go to get to find out who the Lord was. It was unbelievable how He broke me down; and from that day forward, Christ has transformed my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you grow up in a household where faith was any part of it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I grew up in the Catholic church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> So every Sunday, we would go there. I\u2019d feel good for an hour; I\u2019d leave, and I didn\u2019t [feel good any more].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had some spiritual awareness, though, during your teen years and your young adult years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I did not know who Jesus was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I did not know that He was the Savior of the world\u2014I did not know any of that. To be quite frank with you, Jesus was a curse word to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Take us back to your life in your teenage years\u2014what were they like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I was very good in sports, but I was exceptionally good in baseball. I was the kid who never practiced, because I had the natural ability; so I was always better than the kids when I was <em>young<\/em>. But then, when you get in high school, you find out that: \u201cYou know what? Some of these other kids are good too.\u201d Except the difference is\u2014they practiced, and they passed me. It was my fault; I recognized all the lost opportunities I had. I really believe I could have been a ball player\u2014you know, on a stage and playing centerfield for the Yankees, which was my dream.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, you got a tryout with the Yankees.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I did. In 1984, I did try out for the New York Yankees\u2014which was absolutely awesome\u2014at the old Yankee stadium. It was fun\u2014I\u2019ll never forget my father\u2019s face \/ how it all came about\u2014but wow! It was an awesome day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut lies were my native language. You see, when I was a kid, I wanted to be somebody; and I wanted to be accepted. Now, I had a good man for a father\u2014he was a very good man\u2014he just wasn\u2019t a great teaching father. He used reverse psychology on me quite a bit. I needed to be affirmed when I was younger. When I wasn\u2019t affirmed, I just affirmed myself\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I affirmed myself by making up stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You told that many lies?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did your father handle that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> You know what? It was like a hands-off kind of thing. I mean, I never was really disciplined as a child. It was like we had two different families\u2014my three older sisters were eight years older, twelve years older, and fifteen years older. <em>They<\/em> were apparently raised differently than I was\u2014at least, that\u2019s what they tell me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So take us to that stadium at Promise Keepers\u2014what hit you that day as you were sitting there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I believe it was Joe Garlington\u2014Pastor Joe Garlington from Pittsburgh. He was saying something and then he sang a song, <em>Knowing You, Jesus<\/em>. I remember just laying flat out on the field at RFK and just saying, \u201cLord, I can\u2019t do this anymore.\u201d I came back a <em>changed<\/em> man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fun part about that is Joe Garlington spoke for our ministry about four years ago. I had told him about it, and he ended the conference by singing me that song\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> \u2014which was really powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What did your brother and your business associate think as they saw you laid out flat at RFK?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> I honestly couldn\u2019t\u2014it was my brother-in-law\u2014but honestly, I couldn\u2019t tell you; because I was so just blown away at what God had done in my life. All the things that God gave me as gifts, that I had used against Him, I was now flipping the switch and using them <em>for<\/em> Him. That\u2019s the way I wanted to go forward. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI recognized that changes needed to be made in my life. The most important change was who I surrounded myself with\u2014the inner circle. You know, 1 Corinthians 15:33 says: \u201cDo not be misled. Bad company corrupts good character.\u201d If that\u2019s <em>true<\/em>, then the opposite is also true\u2014good company <em>promotes<\/em> good character\u2014so I started surrounding myself with men that were going to lift me up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that was a pivotal point in your life; but it also changed how you think about manhood, and about purpose, and what we\u2019re here for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; that all came years later. This was just about being a believer now and understanding that. I remember coming back from Promise Keepers and going to my home church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe got in this big circle. It was the first time I was going to be involved with corporate prayer. The guys were praying as we were going around, and my mind is just everywhere else except [prayer]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen it was over, I raised my hand and said, \u201cGuys, I need to apologize.\u201d \u201cWhat do you need to apologize for?\u201d \u201cWell guys, as you\u2019re talking, I\u2019m thinking about everything else.\u201d They said, \u201cDo you think you\u2019re unique?\u201d That was the first time I recognized: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019m not unique.\u201d These are struggles that people have\u2014men <em>and<\/em> women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the challenge, specifically for men that I know, now\u2014some 25 years later\u2014is recognizing that we all are struggling with things. And so much of us have the same vein running through us, but we\u2019re so ashamed to <em>admit<\/em> it. If we simply would <em>share<\/em> it\u2014that\u2019s why we believe in our conferences and do break-out sessions\u2014because, at a break-out session, you get a bold man, who tells about the rocks on his table and the challenges that he\u2019s facing. When he does, you can see another man in the group\u2014their shoulders actually drop and they\u2019re like: \u201cIt is safe here. Hey guys, this is what I\u2019m going through.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Joe, I don\u2019t hear guys use the word, \u201cposer,\u201d much anymore.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But men are almost, instinctively, naturally posers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Oh my goodness; <em>absolutely<\/em>\u2014because how many times do you hear people say to a young man: \u201cBe a man! Be a man!\u201d? The problem is\u2014we never tell them what a man is\u2014a real man. They get a look at their father, or they get a look at <em>Playboy<\/em>, or they get a look at whatever; and that\u2019s where they\u2019re determining what a real man is. We\u2019re not telling that: \u201cIt\u2019s powerful to be a man,\u201d \/ \u201cIt\u2019s great to be a man\u201d; but there is a lot of responsibility that goes with it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, therefore\u2014you know, a poser? Yes; because we\u2019re trying to go through life, and we\u2019re trying to figure this out: \u201cIs this what I\u2019m supposed to be?\u201d But no; authenticity and transparency are <em>essential<\/em> to being a real man of God\u2014a legacy-minded man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And if a man\u2019s going to be that kind of a man on a mission,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014he needs to know what his purpose is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; he does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and where he\u2019s headed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; he does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Speak to that if you would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Well, I think before we get to purpose, I think we need to talk about identity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think identity is far more important at this point than purpose because identity is going to point us to purpose. So in the book, <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man,<\/em> we outline\u2014myself and my coauthor, Jack Redmond\u2014outline seven pillars that I\u2019ve learned, over the course of my life, that are\u2014I believe they\u2019re bedrock. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut in order for them to work\u2014and this is very important\u2014we need to build them on a proper foundation, because we know pillars are heavy. If they\u2019re built on the sand, they\u2019re going to fall. We need to make sure that the foundation that we put these pillars on is strong and stable; and therefore, that foundation is the foundation of Jesus Christ. If we\u2019re not building on that, we\u2019re building on sand. I don\u2019t care how successful anybody is in life\u2014that is building on sand\u2014so therefore, we build on the rock-solid foundation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we get to the seven pillars, pillar number one is essential\u2014it\u2019s prayer. We recognize that prayer provides us with the ability to communicate with the Creator\u2014the Creator of us! That\u2019s unbelievable! It\u2019s vertical, but it\u2019s a two-way vertical. It\u2019s not one-way that most people think; it\u2019s a two-way\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014He opens the door to say: \u201cHey, communicate with Me; share with Me; talk with Me; and then, sit and listen for My voice.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mention, in the book, that prayer scares a lot of men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes, sir. As a matter of fact, I believe we put a big caution stamp on that chapter and said: \u201cHey, listen, gentlemen, if you get here, and you look at the word, \u2018prayer,\u2019 please don\u2019t stop here,\u201d because we know it scares people. Prayer is not about speaking words to an invisible creature\u2014no! It is understanding that, if we recognize the power of prayer, it enables us to understand that prayer taps into a God who loves us \/ who wants to share His blessing <em>with<\/em> us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Joe, you said the first time you were in a prayer circle with guys, praying out loud, your mind was going all kinds of places. Have you figured out how to engage in prayer at a different level? Can you coach a guy, who is saying: \u201cI\u2019ve tried to pray. I\u2019m not good at it; it is intimidating\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; when we\u2019re in a group\u2014is that what you\u2019re talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; what do we do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> So what I do is\u2014I open my eyes. When I close my eyes, I\u2019ll generally do the head shake\u2014where something\/a thought is coming into my mind and somebody is praying, and I shake it away like\u2014in other words, \u201cChange the channel here.\u201d But when I open my eyes, I find I\u2019m much more focused. Listen, let\u2019s be real\u2014the devil <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em> want us to pray; he doesn\u2019t want us to communicate\u2014so opening my eyes always helps.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting that you\u2019d say that\u2014and obviously, kind of counter-intuitive\u2014because we\u2019ve all been brought up, saying, \u201cBow your head; close your eyes\u2026\u201d But I think there\u2019s something to the focus that can come with looking at the other guy, who\u2019s praying, and paying attention, and nodding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think one of the reasons why it\u2019s so difficult to pray\u2014and Joe points this out in his book\u2014is prayer actually says, \u201cThere is a God, and He\u2019s not me.\u201d And this thing called prayer demands humility. It demands that we empty ourselves of ourselves and say: \u201cI can\u2019t fix it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cI don\u2019t have the solution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI need help.\u201d Because prayer, at its essence\u2014Hebrews 11:6 talks about the person who comes to God must come to Him in faith, believing that He is, and that He is the one who rewards those who seek Him with faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Amen. Jeremiah 33:3\u2014it says, \u201cCall to Me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.\u201d Jeremiah was looking for answers; and God was saying, \u201cCome to Me.\u201d Are we any different than him? We need to go to Him, and <em>that<\/em> unlocks the power of who we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when we start with a firm foundation\u2014our life is anchored in Christ\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014we learn how to pray, how to walk with Him, how to communicate with Him\u2014you\u2019re saying it\u2019s on that basis that we can now understand our identity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Persona is discovering, through our relationship with a living God, who we really are; because that communication\u2014which again \/ I\u2019ll say again\u2014is a two-way communication. It\u2019s not one way; it is two-way, and it\u2019s <em>powerful<\/em>. One of the greatest problems that I find, as I go around the country, is\u2014men don\u2019t know who they are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re living in an identity crisis time. There\u2019s an identity thief out there, and it\u2019s not somebody trying to steal your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014your credit cards.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> It\u2019s the devil, and he\u2019s trying to steal who you <em>are<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> \u2014and who you were created <em>to be<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Talk about your own journey here\u2014from the lying\/cheating persona that you embraced, as a teenager, to the transformation that God did in your life. How have you come to understand who you are and understand your persona?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Well, the only way to understand who you are, again, is through a connection with God. He connects with us, also, through His Word; so, as you read the Word of God, it <em>screams<\/em> at you. I mean, I\u2019m sure you guys are the same way\u2014you could read a verse a hundred times; but on the one hundred-first time, it jumps off the page at you and slaps you in the face and says, \u201cI\u2019m here!\u201d It teaches us who we are supposed to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo you want to study what it means to be a legacy-minded man. And for me, the legacy-minded verse is 1 Corinthians 16, verses13 and 14, which says: \u201cBe alert. Stand firm in the faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBe men of courage. Be strong. Do everything in love.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it\u2019s the second part of that verse\u2014that really, I like to focus on\u2014which says, \u201cStand firm in the faith.\u201d Here\u2019s the problem with that statement\u2014in order to stand firm in something, you need to absolutely <em>know<\/em> what you believe. Now, I know one thing as I go around\u2014I ask the question \u201cWhat do you believe?\u201d Everybody can tell me what they believe; everybody has <em>no problem<\/em> telling me what they believe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when I do the follow-up question: \u201cWhy?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where the problem comes. I could tell you this\u2014everybody listening to this show right now\u2014your back is going to be up against the wall at one time or another. When you are squeezed, what\u2019s going to come out of you is what\u2019s really inside you. Don\u2019t you want to know, in advance, what\u2019s going to come out of you in those difficult times? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Know<\/em> what you believe; know <em>why<\/em> you believe it\u2014because we most likely are the creation of somebody else\u2019s dreams or somebody else\u2019s belief system\u2014whether we\u2019re children and we\u2019re believing on what our parents believed, or if you\u2019re a university student and you\u2019re believing now on what your professors are telling you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou need to understand who <em>you<\/em> are and what you believe. God will reveal to you exactly who He is to you through your communication with Him and through the Word of God, and He\u2019ll reveal to you who <em>you<\/em> are in Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You say in your book that character, along with attitude, are the keys to your persona. Explain what you mean by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Attitude is one of two divine words, I believe, in the English language; the other one is joy. The reason why attitude is a divine word is because\u2014if you take the word, \u201cattitude,\u201d\u2014spell it out on a piece of paper, and spread out the letters, and then you associate the numeric value for each letter, and you add it up\u2014so for example, \u201cA\u201d is 1; \u201cT\u201d is 20\u2014you add it up; it equals 100. To me, that\u2019s a divine purpose; because you see, when we say, \u201cI\u2019m going to give 110 percent,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s impossible! You cannot give \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t110 percent; you can give a maximum of 100 percent. However, you can give only 50 percent; you can give 70 percent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I believe that what we need to do is have an attitude that is focused on understanding that God has crafted us for a specific purpose and that we\u2019re going to go and do the best we possibly can in our character, which means\u2014when nobody\u2019s looking, I\u2019m going to be the man I am even in front of an audience. As I speak before people, I recognize that I have to be the same person when I\u2019m home that I am right here; otherwise, there\u2019s disconnect, and I am opening up the door for Satan to put his foot in and kick it wide open. I <em>refuse<\/em> to do that\u2014I\u2019ve screwed up enough in my life; I don\u2019t want to do that again. I\u2019m here because I want to leave a <em>powerful<\/em> and lasting legacy for <em>generations<\/em> to come. I want to be able to help men\u2014point them to the exact same thing\u2014to leave a powerful legacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd by the way, on that subject real quick\u2014I don\u2019t care what your legacy is right now; I don\u2019t care what\u2019s been written today. It doesn\u2019t mean that the same legacy cannot be changed dramatically and be transformed tomorrow into something that is absolutely <em>powerful<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve seen it; I know it works\u2014I\u2019ve seen it in my own life!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Describe your legacy and what it would have been before you placed your faith in Christ. Then, I want you to contrast it with what you think your legacy will be, based upon the past 23 years that you have invested in men and calling men to be legacy-minded men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> You know, Dennis, you\u2019re asking a very difficult thing of me; because I absolutely hate thinking about the past. I just shudder at what would have happened if in some of the instances, where I could have passed away \/ I could have died, and what would have happened. Number one: I would have spent an eternity apart from God; but number two: what kind of legacy would I have left behind? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAbout three years ago, guys, it was a beautiful November day. I said: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019ll go up in the attic.\u201d I go up in the attic, and there was a <em>bunch<\/em> of junk. I kept every textbook from college. I don\u2019t know why\u2014I never studied when I was in school\u2014but I kept these textbooks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had all my baseball magazines and everything. I said: \u201cYou know what? Rather than go through them up here, on my knees, I\u2019m going to bring everything down.\u201d I spread it out over the drive because, like I said, it was a beautiful day. And you know, it was kind of fun going through the past and looking through all my baseball stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, in the midst of going through it, my joy turned to anger; because I found some things that I thought were long gone. I was determining what to keep and what not; and once I saw those, the decision was easy. I backed my car up\u2014I threw everything into the back of that car. I went right down to the recycling and got rid of it. Now, you know what I\u2019m talking about when I tell you some of the things I found. Some of the things I found I recognized, as I was driving back from the dump: \u201cWhat would have happened if I died and as my boys\u201d\u2014who loved baseball\u2014\u201cwould have been going through all this gold\u2014would have found these things?\u201d Now, I\u2019ve shared with them about who I was\u2014not everything\u2014but I\u2019ve shared with them who I was, so I don\u2019t think it would have been a shock; but you know something?\u2014when you actually see it, it makes it real.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI realized there was legacy in the attic. I started thinking about the power of the legacy in the attic and what we need to do is to recognize that: \u201cOur attic could be a cell phone; it could be a computer; it could be what\u2019s in the closet.\u201d There are things that, when we leave, are going to speak boldly to our legacy. I know one thing\u2014when I die, I don\u2019t want anything about the old Joe; I want everything to be dead, because I <em>died<\/em> and now I\u2019m risen again in Christ. That\u2019s all I care about. I\u2019m an imperfect man\u2014an average Joe, if you will\u2014but the reality is\u2014I\u2019m a man who recognizes the power\/the sheer power of legacy and what it can do; because we, gentlemen, have gone from <em>Father Knows Best<\/em> in one generation to \u201cFather knows nothing,\u201d in the next. We have to change that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you were talking, I just was thinking how your life is now really reflected in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians 16, verses 13 and 14. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to restate it for a man\u2014who is listening right now\u2014or maybe that man\u2019s wife or girlfriend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> 1 Corinthians 16:13 and 14: \u201cBe watchful,\u201d\u2014a man, who\u2019s leaving a godly legacy, is on the alert. \u201cStand firm in the faith,\u201d\u2014it means he has one, and he does know what he believes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It says, \u201cAct like men,\u201d\u2014not like boys\u2014\u201cBe strong. Let all that you do be done in love.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a lot of men who think that being a man means lording it over a woman\u2014not truly caring for her soul \/ for her as a woman\u2014may be abusive in speech\/physically. We\u2019re talking to men today who have some past that needs to be repented of, and they need to turn away from it and turn to Christ. What would you say to that man, right now, who\u2019s listening?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Amen. I would say: \u201cDo it now! Don\u2019t wait! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt is absolutely easy to transform your life by simply opening up your hands, and releasing it to the Lord, and letting <em>Him<\/em> take over. And as difficult as it is, gentlemen, to take your hands off the wheel, let me tell you something\u2014it is freeing; because it allows you to take the seat over, relax a little bit, and recognize: \u2018Lord, You\u2019re in control. I don\u2019t have to have this incredible burden on my life. You\u2019re giving me the Guide Book \/ the Playbook to go through this life. Lord, would You do me one more favor?\u2019 Ask Him to surround you with godly men, who are going to raise you up, lift you up, and hold you accountable; because too many men are not being held accountable for their actions today\u2014that\u2019s why we fall. Therefore, surround yourself with godly men, who are going to be there for you. It\u2019s awesome!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Get in the Book\u2014and we\u2019re speaking of the Bible\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joe:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and I\u2019d encourage you to get a copy of Joe\u2019s book, <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot of overlap\u2014don\u2019t you think?\u2014between what Joe has written and what you wrote in your book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>\u2014what\u2019s in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series. I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014it calls men up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It calls men to look forward and not look at the past and be captured by their past.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If our listeners have been through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series, this would be a great follow-up for them to go through on their own, or with their sons, or with a men\u2019s small group. If you\u2019ve not yet been through Dennis\u2019s book or the video series\u2014the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014we\u2019ve got information about that content and about Joe\u2019s book, <em>Transformed<\/em>. All of it is available at our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. I think the overarching message of what you\u2019ve heard today is: \u201cDon\u2019t be passive; but call one another, as men, to go deeper and to go farther in their relationship with Christ; and then, put some shoe leather to that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, find out more about the book, <em>Transformed: 7 Pillars of a Legacy Minded Man,<\/em> when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. There\u2019s also information on the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em> and the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you want to see a trailer for the series, that\u2019s available there. 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