{"id":300415,"date":"2018-10-15T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-10-15T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/gospel-living\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:35","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:35","slug":"gospel-living","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/gospel-living\/","title":{"rendered":"Gospel Living"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Jaquelle Crowe | Series: This Changes Everything | Jaquelle Crowe, editor-in-chief of TheRebelution.com, explains how her parents modeled the gospel as she grew up in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Attracted by the infectious joy her parents possessed and their hope in their Savior, Crowe tells how she prayed to receive Christ at age 4. While she had her doubts and rebelled a bit in her early teen years, she never walked away from her faith. 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I trusted them, and so I wanted to talk to them.<\/a> My parents did a lot of work\u2014a lot of work\u2014so that I always had the freedom to come to them. So we\u2019d had a pretty good relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, October 15<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are strategies moms and dads can employ that can help steer their teenagers in the right direction. We\u2019ll talk about that with Jaquelle Crowe today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there\u2019s something\u2014I don\u2019t remember where I read this or where I heard it, years ago\u2014but it\u2019s one of those things that stuck with me and I thought, \u201cThat makes a lot of sense.\u201d There was a sociologist at Notre Dame who did a research study on why young people were walking away from their faith when they got to college or when they became young adults after college. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said a big part of the reason they\u2019re doing it is because what they heard as the gospel, when they were growing up, isn\u2019t the gospel. He said what they heard was\u2014the phrase he used was \u201cmoralistic therapeutic deism.\u201d They heard: \u201cThere is a God. He cares about you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHe loves you. He wants the best for you; and if you\u2019ll just follow these rules,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes\u2014\u201cBe good.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014yes\u2014\u201cthen God\u2014you can count on Him to take care of you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey got into their early adult years and they thought: \u201cThat doesn\u2019t work. I try to be good and other people are having more fun than I am having, and bad things still happen to me.\u201d They abandoned the pseudo gospel and think what they\u2019ve been told, all their life, isn\u2019t true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we have a guest, I think, who would agree with you. The reason she believes the gospel, I\u2019ve got a feeling, is related to who raised her. [Laughter] I think she may have seen the gospel lived out between her mom and dad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re just saying this because her dad\u2019s out here, watching us record this interview with her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; I think it\u2019s\u2014after reading her book, I think it\u2019s probably the truth. Jaquelle Crowe joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Am I telling the truth?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> You are absolutely telling the truth. I\u2019m not even saying that because my dad\u2019s out there. It is true\u2014my parents\u2019 investment and instruction has played a <em>massive<\/em> role in how I view the gospel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, you are a remarkable young lady\u2014homeschooled in a little community in eastern Canada called Halifax, Nova Scotia. I think she\u2019s our first guest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014from Halifax, certainly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve had some Canadians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014but not many.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve allowed a few Canadians\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> You\u2019ve allowed that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014across the border.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s an honor to be here and represent my country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We let you into Arkansas, no doubt about it. [Laughter] She is a graduate of Thomas Edison State University\u2014everybody say, \u201cOkay,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014at the age of 18. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Right; well, it is a little bit different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I graduated at 18, too; right Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You graduated at 18, but it wasn\u2019t from junior college; okay? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, you are a remarkable young lady. You write for the Gospel Coalition \/ speak all over the country. You\u2019ve written a book called <em>This Changes Everything: How the Gospel Transforms the Teen Years<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really do want to go back to this, because it has to be that you have seen an authentic relationship with God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014between your mom and dad and God\u2014that won you over to be a follower of Christ. Obviously, God did the work in your heart; but explain how God used your parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; definitely. I think my parents and\u2014then, in a broader role\u2014my local church. They just displayed for me a gospel that was so beautiful \/ that was so arresting\u2014that was just living, and breathing, and impacting every area of their lives. I looked at that and thought, \u201cWhoa, I want that too.\u201d There was infinite joy in their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, obviously, they dealt with really hard stuff. They weren\u2019t like happy smiley all the time. But there was just this pervasive joy that really did touch every area of their lives\u2014how they made decisions, how they raised my brother and me, how they schooled us. I saw that and that pointed me to the source of their joy, which was Jesus Christ. I saw that it wasn\u2019t just sort of a list of dos and don\u2019ts for them. It was a relationship with Jesus\u2014this King\/this Savior\u2014who saved them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, I looked at that and, by God\u2019s grace in my life, He just showed me that I wanted that relationship too. I needed that too. Yes; my parents and my local church community just displayed that for me so vividly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As I was saying at the beginning, I think there are a lot of people who have a mischaracterization of what the message of the gospel is. It sounds like, for you, that message was pretty clear all the way through your upbringing. It wasn\u2019t about \u201cHere\u2019s the rule list that you have to keep,\u201d or about \u201cIf you do these things, God\u2019s going to take care of you.\u201d You heard a message that is the clear gospel\u2014that I think\u2019s missing from what is going on in a lot of youth groups today around the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; I think that is sadly true. My parents\u2014yes, always from the beginning\u2014like I knew that the gospel is not this list of dos and don\u2019ts. It is this <em>good news<\/em> about a world that God created for His glory\u2014that I was created for His glory \/ that I was created in His image\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but that I am a sinner\u2014but that there is good news that Jesus Christ came to <em>die<\/em> for me as a sinner; that He rose again\u2014was victorious\u2014and He <em>saved<\/em> me from all of the things that I deserve. I just encountered this message and this Person; and I was like, \u201cHow\u2014how do I not want to give my life?\u2014give my youth to serving Him?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; so you have attempted to capture this enthusiasm \/ this love for Christ in a book called <em>This Changes Everything.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And there is some enthusiasm here too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is some\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I hope so! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014there is some enthusiasm here. I just\u2014I wanted to ask you: \u201cAre there a couple of ways parents can be coached to relate to their children so that they might embrace their faith as they grow up?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; this\u2014again, I\u2019m taking my parents\u2019 wisdom and trying to harness it here; because I am obviously not a parent. But one thing my parents and I have talked about is that it\u2019s kind of expected for young people and parents to not have a great relationship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s just assumed that teens will not want to hang out with their parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s really sad; because my parents\u2014right from the time that I was young\u2014were trying to create a culture and an environment where I was comfortable coming to my parents with questions\u2014that if I disagreed with them, I didn\u2019t just sort of storm off. I trusted them, and so I wanted to talk to them. I never had this big period in my teen years, where I was like: \u201cYou know what? My parents are the worst\u2014they know nothing. I don\u2019t want to hang out with them.\u201d My parents did a lot of work\u2014a lot of work\u2014to make sure that I felt known and loved in their home so that I always had the freedom to come to them. So we\u2019ve had a pretty good relationship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things that they did was\u2014they really poured into me and my brother, one on one. My mom spent a lot of time with me. We had this meeting, every week, where we would sit down and we\u2019d talk about what was going on in my life. She would pray for me right there. I would hear her pray for me, specifically, and all my needs every week. There was never a moment in my life where I doubted that my parents wanted what was best for me. They were willing to do the hard things; but it was always out of love, not out of just a desire to be an authority. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re causing me to remember\u2014Barbara and I just finished a book called <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the things that\u2019s in the book are pieces by our children\u2014two of my daughters. I never called it a meeting; but we had a Bible study at a local restaurant, where I\u2019d open up a chapter of Proverbs. We\u2019d buy donuts or whatever she wanted\u2014or that my sons wanted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me just step in here, because he calls it a restaurant. It was not a restaurant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was not a restaurant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s a grocery store that has a little caf\u00e9 area.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, I love it already.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But back then, it was all we had, Bob. We didn\u2019t have any restaurants out here\u2014we live in the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t want people thinking you\u2019re taking your daughter out\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; it was not some highfalutin deal, but we\u2019d meet together. It was interesting to hear them write\u2014to say those times of just meeting, and talking, and hanging out with each other\u2014I never called it a meeting, but it was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a scheduled time to be able to connect with our kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; and some parents\u2014they might not want to call it that, because it feels formal or weird. But for my brother and I, when we\u2014that\u2019s how our parents talked about that when they were meeting with other people. The idea of \u201cWow, like Mom and Dad are going to have a meeting with us,\u201d\u2014that was exciting for us. But it\u2019s all about what you do. My parents did the same thing\u2014we\u2019d make it fun. My mom would take me out for tea; we\u2019d go shopping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry\u2014I\u2019m sorry people can\u2019t see her face, Bob. [Laughter] You and I are both sitting here, mesmerized by\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know what? I\u2019m sitting here thinking about some of these meetings we tried to have with our kids\u2014where the eyes rolled; where they are yawning; and they go, \u201cCan I go now?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it, Bob. You mentioned\u2014she said shopping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know; I know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Take them shopping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Maybe we just did not do the bribe thing that we should have done.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> If you buy your kids things, they will love you\u2014that is what I have learned. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes. I\u2019m looking over your shoulder at your dad, and he\u2019s nodding right now. He\u2019s smiling like it was worth every penny that he spent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But there is something to a mom and dad recognizing that, to connect with your child, you need to connect with your child around what interests them \/ what they enjoy instead of just saying: \u201cOkay; here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do,\u201d and \u201cIt\u2019s because I want to do it,\u201d and \u201cWhether you like it or not, we\u2019re doing it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To say, \u201cI\u2019m looking forward to getting together, and we\u2019re going to do something that you enjoy,\u201d\u2014and in that context\u2014\u201cSo what\u2019s going on?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you know what happens\u2014a lot of parents, who are listening, say: \u201cI ask my kids, \u2018What\u2019s going on?\u2019 and you know what the answer I get is?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cNothing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; \u201cNothing. [Laughter] Ain\u2019t nothing going on.\u201d Did you ever give answers like that to your mom, where you just went, \u201cNothing\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And did she have some way of probing you or pulling this out of you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> So one method that she actually started\u2014that she kind of continued for the rest of our meetings\u2014I kind of mentioned it a little bit before\u2014is she would have all these questions about my emotions \/ what I was feeling. She would say: \u201cWhat makes you happy right now?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you sad?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you angry?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you frustrated?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you worried?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you afraid?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd slowly\u2014like those questions were so easy. I could start with something really small and non-committal if I didn\u2019t want to get deep\u2014like if I was not feeling like being a good child. And then slowly, though, the questions would kind of wear me down in a really good way; because I would kind of get a little bit deeper as she asked questions that got more serious. Again\u2014like demonstrated that incredible love and concern she had for me\u2014not to get me to say something so she would immediately jump in with a lecture\u2014but just because she cared what was going on in my life and she wanted to know. I knew that, and it came out. Eventually, she usually got to the bottom of whatever it is that was going on in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What book did she read with you that stands out to you today\u2014that you go, \u201cI remember going through that book with my mom\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s this one that she wrote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jaquelle wrote it: <em>This Changes Everything<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember a book you went through, where you said \u201cGod really used that in my life\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I do. We read a number of books on biblical womanhood. <em>The True Woman<\/em> by Susan Hunt really stands out to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso, <em>Girl Talk<\/em> by Carolyn Mahaney and Nicole Whitacre. Yes\u2014a number of books. <em>Holiness<\/em> by J.C. Ryle\u2014that was one we actually only read through the last few years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> But: \u201c<em>Wow!<\/em> There is a book for parents to read with their teens.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good one. I\u2019ve got to recommend your book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think your book would be a great book for a mom\u2014or a dad\u2014to sit down and talk with their teen about. In fact, what I want you to do\u2014we don\u2019t have a lot of time\u2014but you begin your book talking about a teenager\u2019s identity. I like it that you started right out of the shoot. I mean, you\u2019re talking about one of the key issues for teenagers today. You come out of the Bible\u2014Philippians 3:8-11\u2014and you talk about six things that Paul says describes a Christian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You like this because there\u2019s a picture\u2014see, there\u2019s a little picture and a chart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, Bob!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dennis is always thumbing through books, going, \u201cIs there any pictures in here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s just a great summary,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\"any lists?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>and I could picture a mom and a daughter\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014or for that matter, a father and a son\u2014having breakfast together, and taking these six things and just pick the one you want to unpack. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019d say to you, Jaquelle\u2014just go through those and communicate what your mom and dad taught you about each of those six things that make up a Christian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Sure. So this really was very foundational, because identity\u2014this question of \u201cWho am I?\u201d\u2014I mean, that\u2019s really what answers every other question from our life. So kind of these six things that I pulled out of Philippians 3:8-11: First, is that \u201cA Christian\u201d\u2014someone whose identity is in Christ\u2014\u201cthey treasure Christ.\u201d This is something I saw, right from the beginning, with my parents\u2014Jesus was supremely valuable to them. I saw them in God\u2019s Word; I saw them praying; I saw them loving the local community \/ the church. He was more valuable than every other thing in their life\u2014even than family. We ended up moving away from our extended family, because my parents felt the call of Christ and were compelled to obey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was really hard for them; but I saw it\u2014right from a young age\u2014that they were willing to do whatever God called for them to do because they loved Jesus that much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And this first one, which is positive\u2014he treasures Christ\u2014has a negative that is number two.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; exactly, which is that \u201cHe [a Christian] devalues everything else.\u201d I was trying to be intentional about my language here, because it\u2019s not that he said everything else is bad\u2014just in comparison with Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go\u2014that\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> It was lesser\u2014it was not as valuable, because Jesus was supreme.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In Philippians 3, he [Paul] says: \u201cFor his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish.\u201d That\u2019s what you\u2019re talking about when you say he [a Christian] says, \u201cI\u2019m looking around at life\u2014and here\u2019s Jesus and here\u2019s everything else\u2014and everything else doesn\u2019t measure up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Exactly; \u201cNothing compares\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so number three.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Number three is that \u201cA Christian puts faith in Christ alone.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That sounds like a song. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, it does\u2014<em>In Christ Alone<\/em>\u2014we should write that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Write that right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; copyright. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPutting faith in Christ alone is a big one though, especially for young people; because we are constantly bombarded with this message to have faith in <em>ourselves<\/em> and to follow our own heart. A Christian is the only one who actually knows the futility of that\u2014that only by putting faith in Jesus will we have the confidence and assurance to face life and all of its fears.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The heart is\u2014what is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> \u201cThe heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can understand it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I thought she might know that verse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I thought so too. But tell us about an area of your life, where you\u2019ve struggled; and you\u2019ve had to give up your rights and place your faith in Christ alone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I think a big one for me, as with lots of young women, is just in appearance, and how you look, and how you come across. That\u2019s something that can be controlled in some way, so it can be easy to\u2014it\u2019s hard this language\u2014put your faith in\u2014but putting your hope in\/putting your confidence in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> How you look \/ how you come across is something I have definitely struggled with; it\u2019s one of those things I continue to struggle with. But it\u2019s one of those things that you can always come back to\u2014you know, putting your faith in Christ is the center\u2014so even though I come away from it, I can come back to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re talking about identity here. The question is: \u201cDoes your appearance define you?\u2014or is there something truer about you that defines you?\u201d To help a child understand that: \u201cIt\u2019s not your appearance; it\u2019s not your grades; it\u2019s not\u2014I mean, we could go to your athletic prowess\u2014it\u2019s not how pretty your voice is when you sing. What defines you is what you treasure.\u201d Back to the beginning: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most important thing to you?\u2014that\u2019s what defines you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And if you think about teenagers today\u2014I mean, are you guys surrounded\u2014I\u2019m sorry; you\u2019re still young\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> You can still count me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re barely out of it. But you really are, as young people, surrounded by a culture that is pressing in, wanting you to conform\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s what the Bible says: \u201cDon\u2019t be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.\u201d That\u2019s what you\u2019re actually talking about doing here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely. It is\u2014the pressure is overwhelming when it comes to appearance, when it comes to\u2014yes, like getting certain grades to get into a certain school to have a certain job\u2014\u2014all of these things surround us. It\u2019s being completely counter-cultural here\u2014this is not easy. This is not like a fun message, necessarily; but it\u2019s a message that none of those things are going to give you the value and satisfaction that us young people are looking for. It\u2019s only Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So \u201cA Christian\u201d\u2014according to Philippians 3\u2014\u201ctreasures Christ, devalues everything else, puts faith in Christ alone, and then knows Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of young people, and a lot of teenagers, will imitate the behavior that they may see of their parents: \u201cMom and dad have a quiet time, so I have a quiet time,\u201d \/ mom and dad pray; and then they\u2019ll say, \u201cYou want to pray something?\u201d and the kids are just praying what they\u2019ve heard mom and dad say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat often leads to kids looking and going: \u201cThis is not my own. I don\u2019t really know Him. I know my parents know Him; and so I believe in Him, because my parents know Him, not because I know Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you remember transitioning from hitchhiking off of your parents\u2019 faith to saying, \u201cI really know God myself now\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I do. I think a big part of that was when I started getting involved in a local church and had other spiritual mentors, who weren\u2019t just my parents\u2014when I had like another Sunday school teacher, who is like, \u201cHey, I can watch this vibrant real faith play out in another mature adult that\u2019s not just my parents.\u201d So it wasn\u2019t like, \u201cOh, it\u2019s only my parents who believe this,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s\u2014\u201cNo; there are other people,\u201d and who were also willing to invest in me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that\u2019s important. We\u2019ve talked, often, Dennis, about moms and dads needing to make sure you\u2019re lining up other people who can reinforce the message in your child\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And because we have moved so often in this culture, we don\u2019t live near aunts and uncles and other family members that are extended family. It\u2019s all the more important that we set up our children to connect with those who have a vibrant faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou got two more that you got to hit real quickly. This fifth one is really counter-cultural.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> It absolutely is. So the fifth one is: \u201cA Christian suffers for Christ.\u201d Yes, we live in a culture, where we are told that \u201cHey, you know, Christians don\u2019t suffer. For Christians, everything is easy.\u201d That\u2019s just not true. You look at Paul\u2019s life\u2014this was a guy who suffered so much all for the cause of Christ. He knew that\u2019s what it means to follow Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s back to what I talked about at the beginning. A lot of kids grow up, learning: \u201cThere\u2019s a God who loves you, and He wants the best for you. If you follow the rules, life will go fine for you. There is a God who loves you, and He does want what\u2019s best for you.\u201d You can follow the rules, and you\u2019ll still get some hard moments in life\u2014the Apostle Paul did \/ Jesus did; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Absolutely; absolutely. Suffering is just a part of what it means to be a Christian. God is always working for our <em>eternal<\/em> joy\u2014I think that\u2019s the thing we need to focus on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So Jaquelle, a lot of people look at your life\u2014you\u2019ve written a book; graduated from college at 18; you\u2019re a PK\u2014everything\u2019s going\u2014it\u2019s cool. You haven\u2019t suffered much; have you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I mean, I have in some ways; but in one sense, I would say, \u201cYes; I haven\u2019t suffered as much as other people,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s absolutely true. But I\u2019m not really basing this\u2014no; I\u2019m not basing this at all on my experience. I\u2019m basing this on what we know about in God\u2019s Word. I can look to that and say, \u201cI know this is true,\u201d not because \u201cHey, <em>I<\/em> have gone through all the suffering that Paul went through.\u201d But Paul went through all this suffering; Jesus went through all this suffering, and He can point you to this joy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what I hear you saying is: \u201cYou have paid the price,\u201d \u201cYou have counted the cost,\u201d and \u201cYou continue to sacrifice for Christ.\u201d What\u2019s the last one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> The last one is that \u201cA Christian becomes like Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is kind of the center, where it all comes back to\u2014in all of your life. A Christian is someone who is seeking to be more like Jesus in what we do, in what we say, in how we live, in how we sacrifice, in how we treat other people\u2014in all of these things. Jesus is the supreme treasure, and so Jesus is the ultimate example.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, in Paul\u2019s words, he said: \u201cIndeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish in order that I might gain Christ,\u201d\u2014that really is our goal, and that is our identity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to challenge grandparents, aunts\/uncles looking for something to do with a niece\/nephew or a son or daughter\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014have a meeting with them; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014have a meeting with them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014a scheduled meeting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Schedule a meeting\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Buy them donuts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Monday nights.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How many chapters are in the book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> There are eight chapters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Eight chapters\u2014so yes; that\u2019s not a lot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. You can have eight meetings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You can do that. You can do it in two months, or you can do it in four months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Donuts need to be a part of this; do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Definitely. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Donuts at a local grocery store will work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> \u2014not in a restaurant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It worked for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019d go for ice cream, so forget the donuts. We\u2019ll do ice cream in the evening and go through the book that way. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of Jaquelle\u2019s book, <em>This Changes Everything: How the Gospel Transforms the Teen Years<\/em>. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014look for the book, <em>This Changes Everything<\/em> by Jaquelle Crowe. Or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd as long as you\u2019re marking dates on your calendar, where you can do this, you probably need to go ahead and get a 2019 calendar. We\u2019ve got one of those we\u2019d love to send you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has put together our 2019 calendar. It\u2019s all about togetherness as a family\u2014having times when you can have some fun, and you can be together, and you can build the kind of relationship we\u2019ve been talking about today\u2014the relationship that is necessary for healthy parenting to occur. We\u2019d love to send you the 2019 calendar. It\u2019s our way of saying, \u201cThank you for your support of this ministry.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported. Those of you\u2014who are monthly Legacy Partners or who have donated, from time to time\u2014you have made today\u2019s program possible for the hundreds of thousands of people who have tuned in to listen\u2014not just here in the United States\u2014but really, all around the world. So, \u201cThank you,\u201d on their behalf for your investment in their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we need some help to be able to bring next week\u2019s programs to you. If you can help with a donation today, we\u2019d love to hear from you. You can donate by going to FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate; ask for the calendar when you do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr mail your request for the 2019 calendar when you mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about how teenagers can sometimes be challenging\u2014snarky, I think is the word that Jaquelle used. We\u2019ll talk about parenting and snarkiness tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2018 FamilyLife. 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Crowe coaches parents on how to make the Christian life attractive to their kids.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-10-15.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>About the time a young person reaches adolescence, they often start pushing mom and dad away, sending signals like: \u201cI got it,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m a grown-up now,\u201d \u201cI can take care of myself.\u201d Jaquelle Crowe says moms and dads need to press in and keep the relationship strong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> <a id=\"_Hlk526544229\">It\u2019s just assumed that teens will not want to hang out with their parents<\/a><a id=\"_Hlk526458797\">, and I think that\u2019s really sad; because my parents\u2014right from the time that I was young\u2014were trying to create a culture and an environment where I was comfortable coming to my parents with questions\u2014that if I disagreed with them, I didn\u2019t just sort of storm off. I trusted them, and so I wanted to talk to them.<\/a> My parents did a lot of work\u2014a lot of work\u2014so that I always had the freedom to come to them. So we\u2019d had a pretty good relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, October 15<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are strategies moms and dads can employ that can help steer their teenagers in the right direction. We\u2019ll talk about that with Jaquelle Crowe today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there\u2019s something\u2014I don\u2019t remember where I read this or where I heard it, years ago\u2014but it\u2019s one of those things that stuck with me and I thought, \u201cThat makes a lot of sense.\u201d There was a sociologist at Notre Dame who did a research study on why young people were walking away from their faith when they got to college or when they became young adults after college. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said a big part of the reason they\u2019re doing it is because what they heard as the gospel, when they were growing up, isn\u2019t the gospel. He said what they heard was\u2014the phrase he used was \u201cmoralistic therapeutic deism.\u201d They heard: \u201cThere is a God. He cares about you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHe loves you. He wants the best for you; and if you\u2019ll just follow these rules,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes\u2014\u201cBe good.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014yes\u2014\u201cthen God\u2014you can count on Him to take care of you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey got into their early adult years and they thought: \u201cThat doesn\u2019t work. I try to be good and other people are having more fun than I am having, and bad things still happen to me.\u201d They abandoned the pseudo gospel and think what they\u2019ve been told, all their life, isn\u2019t true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we have a guest, I think, who would agree with you. The reason she believes the gospel, I\u2019ve got a feeling, is related to who raised her. [Laughter] I think she may have seen the gospel lived out between her mom and dad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re just saying this because her dad\u2019s out here, watching us record this interview with her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; I think it\u2019s\u2014after reading her book, I think it\u2019s probably the truth. Jaquelle Crowe joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Am I telling the truth?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> You are absolutely telling the truth. I\u2019m not even saying that because my dad\u2019s out there. It is true\u2014my parents\u2019 investment and instruction has played a <em>massive<\/em> role in how I view the gospel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, you are a remarkable young lady\u2014homeschooled in a little community in eastern Canada called Halifax, Nova Scotia. I think she\u2019s our first guest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014from Halifax, certainly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve had some Canadians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014but not many.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve allowed a few Canadians\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> You\u2019ve allowed that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014across the border.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s an honor to be here and represent my country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We let you into Arkansas, no doubt about it. [Laughter] She is a graduate of Thomas Edison State University\u2014everybody say, \u201cOkay,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014at the age of 18. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Right; well, it is a little bit different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I graduated at 18, too; right Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You graduated at 18, but it wasn\u2019t from junior college; okay? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, you are a remarkable young lady. You write for the Gospel Coalition \/ speak all over the country. You\u2019ve written a book called <em>This Changes Everything: How the Gospel Transforms the Teen Years<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really do want to go back to this, because it has to be that you have seen an authentic relationship with God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014between your mom and dad and God\u2014that won you over to be a follower of Christ. Obviously, God did the work in your heart; but explain how God used your parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; definitely. I think my parents and\u2014then, in a broader role\u2014my local church. They just displayed for me a gospel that was so beautiful \/ that was so arresting\u2014that was just living, and breathing, and impacting every area of their lives. I looked at that and thought, \u201cWhoa, I want that too.\u201d There was infinite joy in their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, obviously, they dealt with really hard stuff. They weren\u2019t like happy smiley all the time. But there was just this pervasive joy that really did touch every area of their lives\u2014how they made decisions, how they raised my brother and me, how they schooled us. I saw that and that pointed me to the source of their joy, which was Jesus Christ. I saw that it wasn\u2019t just sort of a list of dos and don\u2019ts for them. It was a relationship with Jesus\u2014this King\/this Savior\u2014who saved them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, I looked at that and, by God\u2019s grace in my life, He just showed me that I wanted that relationship too. I needed that too. Yes; my parents and my local church community just displayed that for me so vividly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As I was saying at the beginning, I think there are a lot of people who have a mischaracterization of what the message of the gospel is. It sounds like, for you, that message was pretty clear all the way through your upbringing. It wasn\u2019t about \u201cHere\u2019s the rule list that you have to keep,\u201d or about \u201cIf you do these things, God\u2019s going to take care of you.\u201d You heard a message that is the clear gospel\u2014that I think\u2019s missing from what is going on in a lot of youth groups today around the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; I think that is sadly true. My parents\u2014yes, always from the beginning\u2014like I knew that the gospel is not this list of dos and don\u2019ts. It is this <em>good news<\/em> about a world that God created for His glory\u2014that I was created for His glory \/ that I was created in His image\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but that I am a sinner\u2014but that there is good news that Jesus Christ came to <em>die<\/em> for me as a sinner; that He rose again\u2014was victorious\u2014and He <em>saved<\/em> me from all of the things that I deserve. I just encountered this message and this Person; and I was like, \u201cHow\u2014how do I not want to give my life?\u2014give my youth to serving Him?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; so you have attempted to capture this enthusiasm \/ this love for Christ in a book called <em>This Changes Everything.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And there is some enthusiasm here too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is some\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I hope so! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014there is some enthusiasm here. I just\u2014I wanted to ask you: \u201cAre there a couple of ways parents can be coached to relate to their children so that they might embrace their faith as they grow up?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; this\u2014again, I\u2019m taking my parents\u2019 wisdom and trying to harness it here; because I am obviously not a parent. But one thing my parents and I have talked about is that it\u2019s kind of expected for young people and parents to not have a great relationship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s just assumed that teens will not want to hang out with their parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s really sad; because my parents\u2014right from the time that I was young\u2014were trying to create a culture and an environment where I was comfortable coming to my parents with questions\u2014that if I disagreed with them, I didn\u2019t just sort of storm off. I trusted them, and so I wanted to talk to them. I never had this big period in my teen years, where I was like: \u201cYou know what? My parents are the worst\u2014they know nothing. I don\u2019t want to hang out with them.\u201d My parents did a lot of work\u2014a lot of work\u2014to make sure that I felt known and loved in their home so that I always had the freedom to come to them. So we\u2019ve had a pretty good relationship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things that they did was\u2014they really poured into me and my brother, one on one. My mom spent a lot of time with me. We had this meeting, every week, where we would sit down and we\u2019d talk about what was going on in my life. She would pray for me right there. I would hear her pray for me, specifically, and all my needs every week. There was never a moment in my life where I doubted that my parents wanted what was best for me. They were willing to do the hard things; but it was always out of love, not out of just a desire to be an authority. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re causing me to remember\u2014Barbara and I just finished a book called <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the things that\u2019s in the book are pieces by our children\u2014two of my daughters. I never called it a meeting; but we had a Bible study at a local restaurant, where I\u2019d open up a chapter of Proverbs. We\u2019d buy donuts or whatever she wanted\u2014or that my sons wanted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me just step in here, because he calls it a restaurant. It was not a restaurant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was not a restaurant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s a grocery store that has a little caf\u00e9 area.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, I love it already.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But back then, it was all we had, Bob. We didn\u2019t have any restaurants out here\u2014we live in the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t want people thinking you\u2019re taking your daughter out\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; it was not some highfalutin deal, but we\u2019d meet together. It was interesting to hear them write\u2014to say those times of just meeting, and talking, and hanging out with each other\u2014I never called it a meeting, but it was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a scheduled time to be able to connect with our kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; and some parents\u2014they might not want to call it that, because it feels formal or weird. But for my brother and I, when we\u2014that\u2019s how our parents talked about that when they were meeting with other people. The idea of \u201cWow, like Mom and Dad are going to have a meeting with us,\u201d\u2014that was exciting for us. But it\u2019s all about what you do. My parents did the same thing\u2014we\u2019d make it fun. My mom would take me out for tea; we\u2019d go shopping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry\u2014I\u2019m sorry people can\u2019t see her face, Bob. [Laughter] You and I are both sitting here, mesmerized by\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know what? I\u2019m sitting here thinking about some of these meetings we tried to have with our kids\u2014where the eyes rolled; where they are yawning; and they go, \u201cCan I go now?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it, Bob. You mentioned\u2014she said shopping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know; I know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Take them shopping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Maybe we just did not do the bribe thing that we should have done.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> If you buy your kids things, they will love you\u2014that is what I have learned. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes. I\u2019m looking over your shoulder at your dad, and he\u2019s nodding right now. He\u2019s smiling like it was worth every penny that he spent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But there is something to a mom and dad recognizing that, to connect with your child, you need to connect with your child around what interests them \/ what they enjoy instead of just saying: \u201cOkay; here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do,\u201d and \u201cIt\u2019s because I want to do it,\u201d and \u201cWhether you like it or not, we\u2019re doing it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To say, \u201cI\u2019m looking forward to getting together, and we\u2019re going to do something that you enjoy,\u201d\u2014and in that context\u2014\u201cSo what\u2019s going on?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you know what happens\u2014a lot of parents, who are listening, say: \u201cI ask my kids, \u2018What\u2019s going on?\u2019 and you know what the answer I get is?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cNothing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; \u201cNothing. [Laughter] Ain\u2019t nothing going on.\u201d Did you ever give answers like that to your mom, where you just went, \u201cNothing\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And did she have some way of probing you or pulling this out of you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> So one method that she actually started\u2014that she kind of continued for the rest of our meetings\u2014I kind of mentioned it a little bit before\u2014is she would have all these questions about my emotions \/ what I was feeling. She would say: \u201cWhat makes you happy right now?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you sad?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you angry?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you frustrated?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you worried?\u201d \u201cWhat makes you afraid?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd slowly\u2014like those questions were so easy. I could start with something really small and non-committal if I didn\u2019t want to get deep\u2014like if I was not feeling like being a good child. And then slowly, though, the questions would kind of wear me down in a really good way; because I would kind of get a little bit deeper as she asked questions that got more serious. Again\u2014like demonstrated that incredible love and concern she had for me\u2014not to get me to say something so she would immediately jump in with a lecture\u2014but just because she cared what was going on in my life and she wanted to know. I knew that, and it came out. Eventually, she usually got to the bottom of whatever it is that was going on in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What book did she read with you that stands out to you today\u2014that you go, \u201cI remember going through that book with my mom\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s this one that she wrote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jaquelle wrote it: <em>This Changes Everything<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember a book you went through, where you said \u201cGod really used that in my life\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I do. We read a number of books on biblical womanhood. <em>The True Woman<\/em> by Susan Hunt really stands out to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso, <em>Girl Talk<\/em> by Carolyn Mahaney and Nicole Whitacre. Yes\u2014a number of books. <em>Holiness<\/em> by J.C. Ryle\u2014that was one we actually only read through the last few years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> But: \u201c<em>Wow!<\/em> There is a book for parents to read with their teens.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good one. I\u2019ve got to recommend your book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think your book would be a great book for a mom\u2014or a dad\u2014to sit down and talk with their teen about. In fact, what I want you to do\u2014we don\u2019t have a lot of time\u2014but you begin your book talking about a teenager\u2019s identity. I like it that you started right out of the shoot. I mean, you\u2019re talking about one of the key issues for teenagers today. You come out of the Bible\u2014Philippians 3:8-11\u2014and you talk about six things that Paul says describes a Christian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You like this because there\u2019s a picture\u2014see, there\u2019s a little picture and a chart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, Bob!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dennis is always thumbing through books, going, \u201cIs there any pictures in here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s just a great summary,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\"any lists?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>and I could picture a mom and a daughter\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014or for that matter, a father and a son\u2014having breakfast together, and taking these six things and just pick the one you want to unpack. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019d say to you, Jaquelle\u2014just go through those and communicate what your mom and dad taught you about each of those six things that make up a Christian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Sure. So this really was very foundational, because identity\u2014this question of \u201cWho am I?\u201d\u2014I mean, that\u2019s really what answers every other question from our life. So kind of these six things that I pulled out of Philippians 3:8-11: First, is that \u201cA Christian\u201d\u2014someone whose identity is in Christ\u2014\u201cthey treasure Christ.\u201d This is something I saw, right from the beginning, with my parents\u2014Jesus was supremely valuable to them. I saw them in God\u2019s Word; I saw them praying; I saw them loving the local community \/ the church. He was more valuable than every other thing in their life\u2014even than family. We ended up moving away from our extended family, because my parents felt the call of Christ and were compelled to obey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was really hard for them; but I saw it\u2014right from a young age\u2014that they were willing to do whatever God called for them to do because they loved Jesus that much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And this first one, which is positive\u2014he treasures Christ\u2014has a negative that is number two.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; exactly, which is that \u201cHe [a Christian] devalues everything else.\u201d I was trying to be intentional about my language here, because it\u2019s not that he said everything else is bad\u2014just in comparison with Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go\u2014that\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> It was lesser\u2014it was not as valuable, because Jesus was supreme.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In Philippians 3, he [Paul] says: \u201cFor his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish.\u201d That\u2019s what you\u2019re talking about when you say he [a Christian] says, \u201cI\u2019m looking around at life\u2014and here\u2019s Jesus and here\u2019s everything else\u2014and everything else doesn\u2019t measure up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Exactly; \u201cNothing compares\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so number three.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Number three is that \u201cA Christian puts faith in Christ alone.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That sounds like a song. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Oh, it does\u2014<em>In Christ Alone<\/em>\u2014we should write that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Write that right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; copyright. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPutting faith in Christ alone is a big one though, especially for young people; because we are constantly bombarded with this message to have faith in <em>ourselves<\/em> and to follow our own heart. A Christian is the only one who actually knows the futility of that\u2014that only by putting faith in Jesus will we have the confidence and assurance to face life and all of its fears.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The heart is\u2014what is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> \u201cThe heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can understand it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I thought she might know that verse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I thought so too. But tell us about an area of your life, where you\u2019ve struggled; and you\u2019ve had to give up your rights and place your faith in Christ alone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I think a big one for me, as with lots of young women, is just in appearance, and how you look, and how you come across. That\u2019s something that can be controlled in some way, so it can be easy to\u2014it\u2019s hard this language\u2014put your faith in\u2014but putting your hope in\/putting your confidence in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> How you look \/ how you come across is something I have definitely struggled with; it\u2019s one of those things I continue to struggle with. But it\u2019s one of those things that you can always come back to\u2014you know, putting your faith in Christ is the center\u2014so even though I come away from it, I can come back to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re talking about identity here. The question is: \u201cDoes your appearance define you?\u2014or is there something truer about you that defines you?\u201d To help a child understand that: \u201cIt\u2019s not your appearance; it\u2019s not your grades; it\u2019s not\u2014I mean, we could go to your athletic prowess\u2014it\u2019s not how pretty your voice is when you sing. What defines you is what you treasure.\u201d Back to the beginning: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most important thing to you?\u2014that\u2019s what defines you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And if you think about teenagers today\u2014I mean, are you guys surrounded\u2014I\u2019m sorry; you\u2019re still young\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> You can still count me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re barely out of it. But you really are, as young people, surrounded by a culture that is pressing in, wanting you to conform\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s what the Bible says: \u201cDon\u2019t be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.\u201d That\u2019s what you\u2019re actually talking about doing here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely. It is\u2014the pressure is overwhelming when it comes to appearance, when it comes to\u2014yes, like getting certain grades to get into a certain school to have a certain job\u2014\u2014all of these things surround us. It\u2019s being completely counter-cultural here\u2014this is not easy. This is not like a fun message, necessarily; but it\u2019s a message that none of those things are going to give you the value and satisfaction that us young people are looking for. It\u2019s only Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So \u201cA Christian\u201d\u2014according to Philippians 3\u2014\u201ctreasures Christ, devalues everything else, puts faith in Christ alone, and then knows Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of young people, and a lot of teenagers, will imitate the behavior that they may see of their parents: \u201cMom and dad have a quiet time, so I have a quiet time,\u201d \/ mom and dad pray; and then they\u2019ll say, \u201cYou want to pray something?\u201d and the kids are just praying what they\u2019ve heard mom and dad say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat often leads to kids looking and going: \u201cThis is not my own. I don\u2019t really know Him. I know my parents know Him; and so I believe in Him, because my parents know Him, not because I know Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you remember transitioning from hitchhiking off of your parents\u2019 faith to saying, \u201cI really know God myself now\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I do. I think a big part of that was when I started getting involved in a local church and had other spiritual mentors, who weren\u2019t just my parents\u2014when I had like another Sunday school teacher, who is like, \u201cHey, I can watch this vibrant real faith play out in another mature adult that\u2019s not just my parents.\u201d So it wasn\u2019t like, \u201cOh, it\u2019s only my parents who believe this,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s\u2014\u201cNo; there are other people,\u201d and who were also willing to invest in me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that\u2019s important. We\u2019ve talked, often, Dennis, about moms and dads needing to make sure you\u2019re lining up other people who can reinforce the message in your child\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And because we have moved so often in this culture, we don\u2019t live near aunts and uncles and other family members that are extended family. It\u2019s all the more important that we set up our children to connect with those who have a vibrant faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou got two more that you got to hit real quickly. This fifth one is really counter-cultural.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> It absolutely is. So the fifth one is: \u201cA Christian suffers for Christ.\u201d Yes, we live in a culture, where we are told that \u201cHey, you know, Christians don\u2019t suffer. For Christians, everything is easy.\u201d That\u2019s just not true. You look at Paul\u2019s life\u2014this was a guy who suffered so much all for the cause of Christ. He knew that\u2019s what it means to follow Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s back to what I talked about at the beginning. A lot of kids grow up, learning: \u201cThere\u2019s a God who loves you, and He wants the best for you. If you follow the rules, life will go fine for you. There is a God who loves you, and He does want what\u2019s best for you.\u201d You can follow the rules, and you\u2019ll still get some hard moments in life\u2014the Apostle Paul did \/ Jesus did; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Absolutely; absolutely. Suffering is just a part of what it means to be a Christian. God is always working for our <em>eternal<\/em> joy\u2014I think that\u2019s the thing we need to focus on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So Jaquelle, a lot of people look at your life\u2014you\u2019ve written a book; graduated from college at 18; you\u2019re a PK\u2014everything\u2019s going\u2014it\u2019s cool. You haven\u2019t suffered much; have you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> I mean, I have in some ways; but in one sense, I would say, \u201cYes; I haven\u2019t suffered as much as other people,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s absolutely true. But I\u2019m not really basing this\u2014no; I\u2019m not basing this at all on my experience. I\u2019m basing this on what we know about in God\u2019s Word. I can look to that and say, \u201cI know this is true,\u201d not because \u201cHey, <em>I<\/em> have gone through all the suffering that Paul went through.\u201d But Paul went through all this suffering; Jesus went through all this suffering, and He can point you to this joy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what I hear you saying is: \u201cYou have paid the price,\u201d \u201cYou have counted the cost,\u201d and \u201cYou continue to sacrifice for Christ.\u201d What\u2019s the last one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> The last one is that \u201cA Christian becomes like Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is kind of the center, where it all comes back to\u2014in all of your life. A Christian is someone who is seeking to be more like Jesus in what we do, in what we say, in how we live, in how we sacrifice, in how we treat other people\u2014in all of these things. Jesus is the supreme treasure, and so Jesus is the ultimate example.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, in Paul\u2019s words, he said: \u201cIndeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish in order that I might gain Christ,\u201d\u2014that really is our goal, and that is our identity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to challenge grandparents, aunts\/uncles looking for something to do with a niece\/nephew or a son or daughter\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014have a meeting with them; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014have a meeting with them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014a scheduled meeting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Schedule a meeting\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Buy them donuts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Monday nights.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How many chapters are in the book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> There are eight chapters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Eight chapters\u2014so yes; that\u2019s not a lot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. You can have eight meetings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You can do that. You can do it in two months, or you can do it in four months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Donuts need to be a part of this; do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> Definitely. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Donuts at a local grocery store will work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jaquelle:<\/strong> \u2014not in a restaurant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It worked for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019d go for ice cream, so forget the donuts. We\u2019ll do ice cream in the evening and go through the book that way. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of Jaquelle\u2019s book, <em>This Changes Everything: How the Gospel Transforms the Teen Years<\/em>. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014look for the book, <em>This Changes Everything<\/em> by Jaquelle Crowe. Or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd as long as you\u2019re marking dates on your calendar, where you can do this, you probably need to go ahead and get a 2019 calendar. We\u2019ve got one of those we\u2019d love to send you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has put together our 2019 calendar. It\u2019s all about togetherness as a family\u2014having times when you can have some fun, and you can be together, and you can build the kind of relationship we\u2019ve been talking about today\u2014the relationship that is necessary for healthy parenting to occur. We\u2019d love to send you the 2019 calendar. It\u2019s our way of saying, \u201cThank you for your support of this ministry.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported. Those of you\u2014who are monthly Legacy Partners or who have donated, from time to time\u2014you have made today\u2019s program possible for the hundreds of thousands of people who have tuned in to listen\u2014not just here in the United States\u2014but really, all around the world. So, \u201cThank you,\u201d on their behalf for your investment in their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we need some help to be able to bring next week\u2019s programs to you. If you can help with a donation today, we\u2019d love to hear from you. You can donate by going to FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate; ask for the calendar when you do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr mail your request for the 2019 calendar when you mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about how teenagers can sometimes be challenging\u2014snarky, I think is the word that Jaquelle used. We\u2019ll talk about parenting and snarkiness tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2018 FamilyLife. 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