{"id":300397,"date":"2018-10-03T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-10-03T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/continuing-to-hope\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:34","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:34","slug":"continuing-to-hope","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/continuing-to-hope\/","title":{"rendered":"Continuing to Hope"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When a family member is an addict, the entire family suffers. 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Here is Rick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> He understands that. He expresses a lot of gratitude towards his entire family and how much we have never given up on him and how much we love him. Yet, somewhere, down deep in his brain chemistry, he still has that yearning for the drug. The drug is more powerful than almost anything else. Once it has gotten hold of a person\u2019s brain, it is very, very tough to overcome. If we could get them a full-year sober or more, then, I think, there is a better chance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, October 3<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. When someone in a family is an addict, it takes a toll on everyone who is a part of that family. We will hear more about that today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I do not know what would be more disruptive to a family than when a family member is sucked into addiction and where that begins to dominate, not just their life, but also everything about how that family functions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let us ask our guest, who is also the author of <em>On Pills and Needles: The Relentless Fight to Save My Son from Opioid Addiction<\/em>. Rick Van Warner joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back, Rick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Thanks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What do you think about what Bob just said?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I think that it was probably understated\u2014that it is just total chaos \/ total dysfunction\u2014very difficult to carry on a normal life when you are in the midst of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You are a former journalist; although, I guess your journalism came back in your writing of this book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Yes; it did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He has been married to Maria since 1985. They have four children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have been talking about a battle his son, Tommy, had with an opioid addiction. I just have to ask you\u2014in writing a book like this, you are taking on a stronghold in our nation. How many people have lost their lives in this crisis? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, I do not know what the grand total is; but it is roughly\u2014you know, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t60 thousand a year are dying right now from opioid overdose. It is over a hundred a day. If you go back a number of years, I mean, we are talking\u2014hundreds of thousands of people have lost their lives due to opioid addiction, which includes the pain pills, as well, as heroin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The cost, as you were saying, is not just on the lives that are affected, but it is on the families that are affected. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your family\u2014as you went through this ten-year period\u2014your son, Tommy, who was addicted, had two brothers and a sister. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis dominated their teen years and beyond with their brother. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You and your wife had to try to figure out how to maintain a thriving marriage, while you are looking at your son, and never knowing when you are going to get a phone call with some new news about Tommy. How did you survive that ordeal? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, I think that through determination and perseverance we just could not give up hope on him. I mean, we just are people that\u2014you know, we love our children; and you know, you are never going to give up on your child. I mean, shame on you if you do. They certainly test you and put you in the position where it\u2019d be very easy to just shut the door\u2014and certainly life would be easier in some ways\u2014but we weren\u2019t wired to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI am going to just hit you with a Scripture here\u2014James 1:12 is one of the passages that I have turned to a few times, which is: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBlessed is the one who perseveres under trial; because having stood that test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe never stopped praying, even when our faith wavered. You know, we knew that we were not alone and we were not going to walk alone in this. Somehow, there had to be a way out of this if we fought hard enough. We just prayed that he would survive, honestly. Just for him to survive, and be alive, and healthy today is a miracle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talk about your wavering faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Did you ever have a time when you said, \u201cI\u2019ve really lost my faith\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> We both went through periods like that, where\u2014I mean, we never did stop praying every day for our son to recover, to find peace in his life, to survive; but there were times that we questioned: \u201cWhy is God doing this to our family?\u201d\u2014you know\u2014\u201cWe have been good people. We have always been generous, and tried to live the right way, and walk as Jesus would walk by the way that we lived our lives, every day, in that image.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo then feel that God, somehow, had abandoned us or punished us with this situation was confusing, at times; but we did not lose faith. We just\u2014you know, there were times when one or the other of us would waver a little bit and start to question: \u201cWhy is this happening to us?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, personally, along the way, I realized that there was a purpose for all of this\u2014and that was the book\u2014because, if we could help one other family or give hope to one other\u2014you know, it is possible, if you are going through this\u2014it is possible your child\/your loved one <em>can<\/em> survive. It is possible that there is a path forward out of this, but they cannot do it alone. It has to be <em>your<\/em> love and unconditional acceptance that is going to help them along the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I am guessing that for both you and Maria\u2014just knowing where you are and what we are talking about, here, today\u2014I am guessing that your relationship with Jesus today is stronger than it was a decade ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Some people\u2014at the end of ten years like this\u2014 their relationship with Jesus is over\u2014they do not want anything to do \/ they\u2019ve lost it completely. You wind up in the middle of these trials, either getting pressed into Him or running from Him. With you guys, trials brought you closer to Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> With Rick\u2014he had another friend in a Bible study, who kind of put his arm around you, in the midst of his own crisis,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to cheer you on and to encourage you to believe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely. We would have breakfast every Saturday morning\u2014he was another business guy. Spending that time with him was such a relief for me every week. You know, I got more from [that] hour or two we spent together every Saturday morning than I did from anything else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You walk away from moments like that, going: \u201cOkay; I\u2019m not crazy. I am not the only one going through this. This is not so unique that there is something flawed and desperately wrong with me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI may have issues I can address\u201d; but there is hope that you come away with after times like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely. I think the stigma around this problem\u2014addiction is not a character flaw \/ it is not a shortcoming of moral values. Ultimately, opioid addiction is a chronic disease of the brain. It is something that is very physiological\u2014rewires the brain after a short period of use; it can literally hijack a person\u2019s brain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think\u2014to never give up on that person \/ to embrace those around you. When I started talking openly about this\u2014before the book came out\u2014I was talking openly about it for a couple of years prior to that. Everybody I talked to had someone\u2014whether it was a niece, a nephew, a child, a friend\u2014that had been struggling with this problem. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that the <em>worst<\/em> thing you can do is to try to go it alone and not reach out to your church, or your groups, and your friends; because there is power in sharing, and taking and receiving the support and the love of others in crisis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and Maria undoubtedly looked at each other, throughout this situation, and said: \u201cWhat could we have done? What did we miss?\u201d or \u201cWhat did we do,\u201d or \u201cWhat didn\u2019t we do when we were raising Tommy?\u201d Because every parent feels this\u2014we feel like, \u201cIf we steer our kids right, we can protect them from all of this.\u201d Was there anything you could have done?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> You are absolutely right. You first\u2014you look inward and say: \u201cWhat could we have done differently?\u201d \/ \u201cHow could I have been better?\u201d Ultimately, you realize that there is not much you can do. You have to recognize that, in a case like ours\u2014we have four children; they are all extraordinarily different from each other\u2014one of them happens to have this major issue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that, in the end, we all do the best we can, as parents. The most we can do for them is to know that they are loved and accepted above all else. Giving them that acceptance\u2014and most of all, your presence and your love\u2014that they <em>know<\/em> that you are there for them, no matter what. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, you stop worrying about things\u2014like that they might wear a provocative t-shirt, or they will go through a phase where they might want to put a purple streak in their hair\u2014I don\u2019t know what it is. [Laughter] You know, the little stuff like that, honestly, is not important in the scheme of life, especially when you are dealing with the life and death of something like opioid addiction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have to ask you my favorite question\u2014I usually do it at the beginning of the broadcast or the end; but today, I just want to ask it right now: \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done, as a man?\u201d\u2014and <em>courage<\/em> is doing your duty in the face of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I think writing this book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the reason\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>\u2014I didn\u2019t really want to. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It is tough to put yourself on out there; right?\u2014to that level of\u2014and to do it in a completely open and honest way, which I know that I did. You know, I was worried about what that impact might have on my children, especially on Tommy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What does he think about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Well, interestingly enough\u2014and it just goes back to this\u2014they don\u2019t understand what they are doing when they are\u2014again, once \/ when an addiction highjacks the brain to this level, they only think about one thing\u2014and that\u2019s getting high the next time and how much they need to score to get that. All other sensibilities are out the window. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen he read the book\u2014and he did not get around to reading it until after it was published the first couple of times\u2014he said: \u201cNo; I lived it out. I don\u2019t want to read it. I don\u2019t think I want to go back there.\u201d When he finally got around to reading it, a couple months ago, it was very painful for him; because he had <em>no idea<\/em> the level of chaos and agony he put his family through. It was very devastating to him at first, because he just didn\u2019t even recognize it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt goes to prove\u2014a person in the throes of addiction\u2014that is not the person\u2014that is someone, who has been hijacked. It is like an out-of-body experience; it is like a different person all together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Rick, Tommy knows that there were two times in his life when his heart stopped; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes; he does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He knows that if\u2014in one case, it was his dealer, who gave him CPR and brought him back to life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is he sobered by the fact that he should be dead now if it weren\u2019t for the intervention of others?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> He understands that. He expresses a lot of gratitude towards his mother and me in particular, but his entire family\u2014and how much we have never given up on him and how much we love him. Yet, somewhere, down deep in his brain chemistry, he still has that yearning for the drug. The drug is more powerful than almost anything else. Once it has hold of a person\u2019s brain, it is very, very tough to overcome. If we could get them a full-year sober or more, then, I think, there is a better chance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, he is doing well right now; but I could have never guessed that he would have relapsed again a year ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That is why, as we sit here and we say, \u201cHow\u2019s Tommy doing?\u201d the answer is, \u201cAt the moment, he\u2019s doing great.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It is a day-by-day thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you and Maria talk about, \u201cWhat do we do if it happens again?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, I think that we are at a place, where we are so battle-hardened by it, at this point. Our hearts are strong and, then, our faith is strong. We are completely comfortable that we have done absolutely everything possible to help him, and it is really only up to him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are in a place of peace. Of course, we want him to live, and thrive, and have a great life\u2014he\u2019s got so much to offer\u2014he\u2019s so smart, so nice, so sensitive\u2014a gentle soul. At the same time, we are at peace that we have done everything within our possible control to help him. Ultimately, only the person in that situation can control himself; and that is the hard part. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou mentioned, as a parent, you raise children\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you try to protect them from the world; but ultimately, you are not in control\u2014especially, once they get into their teen years and so forth. The best you can do is guide, coach, love them, and accept them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You talked about the fact that there is an emotional need in the life of somebody who is an addict\u2014that they are taking a pill to try to deal with a wound or a hurt that is inside of them. Have you talked with Tommy about the first time that he tried Oxy? Was it curiosity; or was he just wanting the effect, even then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> He was playing around with escape. I think he had emotional baggage even then. I don\u2019t think that we understood\u2014and this is a very difficult problem\u2014is most people that have an opioid addiction also suffer from some other type of mental illness or mental condition. In our son\u2019s case, it is depression and social anxiety.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This crisis with your son occurred on such a regular and intense basis that you actually planned his funeral. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes; my wife did. I never let myself go there, but she did. She told me\u2014she confessed to me, along the way, that she used to lay in bed at night and not be able to sleep\u2014she\u2019s thinking through how she would handle his death and how she would handle his funeral\u2014which is terrible\u2014it just is heartbreaking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talk about the impact on you marriage. This is one of the real casualties of this crisis\u2014a lot of marriages go under because of the life that gets sucked from a couple, who are committed to each other, but there\u2019s just no room for life, for romance, for enjoyment of each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Right; you know,\u00a0 there were times when I would want to just turn it off and not even think about it or talk about it and vice versa. You know, I think the hardest thing is just\u2014very difficult to be on the same page; because there is no clear cut \u201cWhat to do?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is a dilemma\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014people process differently. Sadly, I have a couple of very close friends who have lost young children along the way. In one case, the marriage didn\u2019t survive; and I think this is similar\u2014that people process differently \/ people grieve differently. What she was going through\u2014in planning his funeral and thinking about the potential inevitable\u2014I would not really go there the same way. I just have a different way of processing it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is just hard to be on the same page at the same time; it is hard not to fight. Our kids did point out to us, along the way\u2014our other children\u2014that, \u201cDon\u2019t you see that you are only fighting when it\u2019s about him\u2014that he\u2019s the cause of your stress and any angst in the marriage?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I am listening to you talk about this. Did you ever just have a complete despair, soul-wrenching point of just weeping?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely; absolutely, especially when I wrote the book. I went off to North Carolina\u2014to this mountain, where a friend of mine has a place. There were times when I think I was supposed to write the book to help others, and it came pouring out very quickly when I was writing it. There were periods where I\u2019m reliving it\u2014and putting it out there, honestly, and in detail\u2014that I would just stop and be sobbing\u2014I would just have to take a break. It was so therapeutic, in one way; because I was getting all that pain out of me. I found that\u2014you know, on the outside, I kept it together pretty well; but I did self-medicate with food, which is why I ended up so large. That was my side effect, and it is something I continue to work with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was very difficult to sleep; it was very difficult to get along; it was difficult to be a good father to my other children, at times; because it\u2019s always weighing\u2014it\u2019s always there\u2014it\u2019s the elephant in the room, no matter what we were doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you had, two minutes, and you were sitting down with somebody who said, \u201cOur daughter\u2019s in rehab for the third time,\u201d or \u201cWe just checked our son in this past weekend, and we\u2019re praying that this will be the turnaround,\u201d or \u201cWe just learned that our son\u2019s been taking these pills. He and his friends have been using Oxy,\u201d\u2014and you have two minutes to give them your best shot at the counsel, what would you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> \u201cNever give up on them. Don\u2019t get too high or too low. We tend to live in hope-neutral. If you get too unrealistic in your hope, one way or another, then that is not healthy to the person or yourself,\u201d and \u201cDon\u2019t sweat the small stuff. Just do whatever you can to let them know that you are there for them, and that you love them and that you accept them,\u201d\u2014that is the key. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have talked two or three times about the power of unconditional love. That was key for <em>you<\/em> in your relationship with Tommy and key for <em>him<\/em> in helping him battle this; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, I did not understand the power of acceptance. I certainly understood the power of forgiveness\u2014which, of course, our faith is based on. The power of acceptance for a kid is <em>incredible<\/em>. His response\u2014when I really just fully accepted him, and the communication channels opened up, and I let him know that I forgave him for all his issues and what he\u2019d brought on the family, and that I just accepted him for who he was today\u2014that made a <em>huge<\/em> difference. There was major power in that family love rather than putting him in another isolated facility. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is a verse of Scripture that you have written down there\u2014Romans 12:12. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think its good advice for families, who are in the midst of this. Read that verse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> \u201cBe joyful in hope, patient in affliction and faithful in prayer.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat really kind of summarizes a lot of what we have been through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you were talking, Rick, I couldn\u2019t help but think of a phrase in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians 13: \u201cLove bears all things,\u201d\u2014it is like a bridge\u2014it is a load-bearing act of God in our souls to give us the ability to be a burden-bearer for somebody we care about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank you for not quitting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to thank you for being courageous and writing the book, <em>On Pills and Needles<\/em>. You will have to wait to heaven to hear all the stories, I am sure, of how God uses this to touch lives\u2014families\/loved ones\u2014who are off in an addiction. Thanks for saying, \u201cYes,\u201d to God and for doing the courageous thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, thanks for having me; and thank you so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just encourage our listeners\u2014pray for Tommy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, pray for Tommy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I will give you one more story of courage\u2014not so much what I did\u2014but my wife pulled one off. She is only about five-foot tall and, you know, a hundred ten pounds, soaking wet; [Laughter] but she is the toughest gal that you would ever want to come across. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was out of town on a business a trip. One of Tommy\u2019s drug dealers had appropriated his car. She managed to get hold of his phone number from Tommy\u2019s phone, and called him, and said, \u201cYou better get that car back or I\u2019m going to be down there and\u2026\u201d\u2014to which, he said, \u201cLady, that car\u2019s going to be in the chop shop before you get anywhere near here\u2026\u201d and this and that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, she got a friend of hers\u2014I would not have been happy with this\u2014but she got a friend of hers to put her in the car and drive her down to one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Orlando. With a spare key, go right in his\u2014with a barking dog there and him screaming at her from the door, probably armed\u2014and she got in that car and took the car home. [Laughter] Anyway\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Given all that you guys have been through with Tommy over the last decade, that\u2019ll build some toughness into you; and it comes through, by the way, in your book, <em>On Pills and Needles\u2014<\/em>which, of course, we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center\u2014<em>The Relentless Fight to Save My Son form Opioid Addiction<\/em> by Rick Van Warner. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information on how to get a copy of the book, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY if you would like to order by phone. 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If you go back a number of years, I mean, we are talking\u2014hundreds of thousands of people have lost their lives due to opioid addiction, which includes the pain pills, as well, as heroin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The cost, as you were saying, is not just on the lives that are affected, but it is on the families that are affected. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your family\u2014as you went through this ten-year period\u2014your son, Tommy, who was addicted, had two brothers and a sister. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis dominated their teen years and beyond with their brother. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You and your wife had to try to figure out how to maintain a thriving marriage, while you are looking at your son, and never knowing when you are going to get a phone call with some new news about Tommy. 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Just for him to survive, and be alive, and healthy today is a miracle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talk about your wavering faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Did you ever have a time when you said, \u201cI\u2019ve really lost my faith\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> We both went through periods like that, where\u2014I mean, we never did stop praying every day for our son to recover, to find peace in his life, to survive; but there were times that we questioned: \u201cWhy is God doing this to our family?\u201d\u2014you know\u2014\u201cWe have been good people. We have always been generous, and tried to live the right way, and walk as Jesus would walk by the way that we lived our lives, every day, in that image.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo then feel that God, somehow, had abandoned us or punished us with this situation was confusing, at times; but we did not lose faith. We just\u2014you know, there were times when one or the other of us would waver a little bit and start to question: \u201cWhy is this happening to us?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, personally, along the way, I realized that there was a purpose for all of this\u2014and that was the book\u2014because, if we could help one other family or give hope to one other\u2014you know, it is possible, if you are going through this\u2014it is possible your child\/your loved one <em>can<\/em> survive. It is possible that there is a path forward out of this, but they cannot do it alone. It has to be <em>your<\/em> love and unconditional acceptance that is going to help them along the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I am guessing that for both you and Maria\u2014just knowing where you are and what we are talking about, here, today\u2014I am guessing that your relationship with Jesus today is stronger than it was a decade ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Some people\u2014at the end of ten years like this\u2014 their relationship with Jesus is over\u2014they do not want anything to do \/ they\u2019ve lost it completely. You wind up in the middle of these trials, either getting pressed into Him or running from Him. With you guys, trials brought you closer to Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> With Rick\u2014he had another friend in a Bible study, who kind of put his arm around you, in the midst of his own crisis,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to cheer you on and to encourage you to believe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely. We would have breakfast every Saturday morning\u2014he was another business guy. Spending that time with him was such a relief for me every week. You know, I got more from [that] hour or two we spent together every Saturday morning than I did from anything else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You walk away from moments like that, going: \u201cOkay; I\u2019m not crazy. I am not the only one going through this. This is not so unique that there is something flawed and desperately wrong with me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI may have issues I can address\u201d; but there is hope that you come away with after times like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely. I think the stigma around this problem\u2014addiction is not a character flaw \/ it is not a shortcoming of moral values. Ultimately, opioid addiction is a chronic disease of the brain. It is something that is very physiological\u2014rewires the brain after a short period of use; it can literally hijack a person\u2019s brain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think\u2014to never give up on that person \/ to embrace those around you. When I started talking openly about this\u2014before the book came out\u2014I was talking openly about it for a couple of years prior to that. Everybody I talked to had someone\u2014whether it was a niece, a nephew, a child, a friend\u2014that had been struggling with this problem. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that the <em>worst<\/em> thing you can do is to try to go it alone and not reach out to your church, or your groups, and your friends; because there is power in sharing, and taking and receiving the support and the love of others in crisis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and Maria undoubtedly looked at each other, throughout this situation, and said: \u201cWhat could we have done? What did we miss?\u201d or \u201cWhat did we do,\u201d or \u201cWhat didn\u2019t we do when we were raising Tommy?\u201d Because every parent feels this\u2014we feel like, \u201cIf we steer our kids right, we can protect them from all of this.\u201d Was there anything you could have done?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> You are absolutely right. You first\u2014you look inward and say: \u201cWhat could we have done differently?\u201d \/ \u201cHow could I have been better?\u201d Ultimately, you realize that there is not much you can do. You have to recognize that, in a case like ours\u2014we have four children; they are all extraordinarily different from each other\u2014one of them happens to have this major issue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that, in the end, we all do the best we can, as parents. The most we can do for them is to know that they are loved and accepted above all else. Giving them that acceptance\u2014and most of all, your presence and your love\u2014that they <em>know<\/em> that you are there for them, no matter what. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, you stop worrying about things\u2014like that they might wear a provocative t-shirt, or they will go through a phase where they might want to put a purple streak in their hair\u2014I don\u2019t know what it is. [Laughter] You know, the little stuff like that, honestly, is not important in the scheme of life, especially when you are dealing with the life and death of something like opioid addiction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have to ask you my favorite question\u2014I usually do it at the beginning of the broadcast or the end; but today, I just want to ask it right now: \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done, as a man?\u201d\u2014and <em>courage<\/em> is doing your duty in the face of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I think writing this book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the reason\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>\u2014I didn\u2019t really want to. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It is tough to put yourself on out there; right?\u2014to that level of\u2014and to do it in a completely open and honest way, which I know that I did. You know, I was worried about what that impact might have on my children, especially on Tommy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What does he think about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick: <\/strong>Well, interestingly enough\u2014and it just goes back to this\u2014they don\u2019t understand what they are doing when they are\u2014again, once \/ when an addiction highjacks the brain to this level, they only think about one thing\u2014and that\u2019s getting high the next time and how much they need to score to get that. All other sensibilities are out the window. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen he read the book\u2014and he did not get around to reading it until after it was published the first couple of times\u2014he said: \u201cNo; I lived it out. I don\u2019t want to read it. I don\u2019t think I want to go back there.\u201d When he finally got around to reading it, a couple months ago, it was very painful for him; because he had <em>no idea<\/em> the level of chaos and agony he put his family through. It was very devastating to him at first, because he just didn\u2019t even recognize it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt goes to prove\u2014a person in the throes of addiction\u2014that is not the person\u2014that is someone, who has been hijacked. It is like an out-of-body experience; it is like a different person all together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Rick, Tommy knows that there were two times in his life when his heart stopped; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes; he does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He knows that if\u2014in one case, it was his dealer, who gave him CPR and brought him back to life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is he sobered by the fact that he should be dead now if it weren\u2019t for the intervention of others?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> He understands that. He expresses a lot of gratitude towards his mother and me in particular, but his entire family\u2014and how much we have never given up on him and how much we love him. Yet, somewhere, down deep in his brain chemistry, he still has that yearning for the drug. The drug is more powerful than almost anything else. Once it has hold of a person\u2019s brain, it is very, very tough to overcome. If we could get them a full-year sober or more, then, I think, there is a better chance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, he is doing well right now; but I could have never guessed that he would have relapsed again a year ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That is why, as we sit here and we say, \u201cHow\u2019s Tommy doing?\u201d the answer is, \u201cAt the moment, he\u2019s doing great.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It is a day-by-day thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you and Maria talk about, \u201cWhat do we do if it happens again?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, I think that we are at a place, where we are so battle-hardened by it, at this point. Our hearts are strong and, then, our faith is strong. We are completely comfortable that we have done absolutely everything possible to help him, and it is really only up to him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are in a place of peace. Of course, we want him to live, and thrive, and have a great life\u2014he\u2019s got so much to offer\u2014he\u2019s so smart, so nice, so sensitive\u2014a gentle soul. At the same time, we are at peace that we have done everything within our possible control to help him. Ultimately, only the person in that situation can control himself; and that is the hard part. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou mentioned, as a parent, you raise children\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you try to protect them from the world; but ultimately, you are not in control\u2014especially, once they get into their teen years and so forth. The best you can do is guide, coach, love them, and accept them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You talked about the fact that there is an emotional need in the life of somebody who is an addict\u2014that they are taking a pill to try to deal with a wound or a hurt that is inside of them. Have you talked with Tommy about the first time that he tried Oxy? Was it curiosity; or was he just wanting the effect, even then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> He was playing around with escape. I think he had emotional baggage even then. I don\u2019t think that we understood\u2014and this is a very difficult problem\u2014is most people that have an opioid addiction also suffer from some other type of mental illness or mental condition. In our son\u2019s case, it is depression and social anxiety.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This crisis with your son occurred on such a regular and intense basis that you actually planned his funeral. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes; my wife did. I never let myself go there, but she did. She told me\u2014she confessed to me, along the way, that she used to lay in bed at night and not be able to sleep\u2014she\u2019s thinking through how she would handle his death and how she would handle his funeral\u2014which is terrible\u2014it just is heartbreaking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talk about the impact on you marriage. This is one of the real casualties of this crisis\u2014a lot of marriages go under because of the life that gets sucked from a couple, who are committed to each other, but there\u2019s just no room for life, for romance, for enjoyment of each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Right; you know,\u00a0 there were times when I would want to just turn it off and not even think about it or talk about it and vice versa. You know, I think the hardest thing is just\u2014very difficult to be on the same page; because there is no clear cut \u201cWhat to do?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is a dilemma\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014people process differently. Sadly, I have a couple of very close friends who have lost young children along the way. In one case, the marriage didn\u2019t survive; and I think this is similar\u2014that people process differently \/ people grieve differently. What she was going through\u2014in planning his funeral and thinking about the potential inevitable\u2014I would not really go there the same way. I just have a different way of processing it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is just hard to be on the same page at the same time; it is hard not to fight. Our kids did point out to us, along the way\u2014our other children\u2014that, \u201cDon\u2019t you see that you are only fighting when it\u2019s about him\u2014that he\u2019s the cause of your stress and any angst in the marriage?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I am listening to you talk about this. Did you ever just have a complete despair, soul-wrenching point of just weeping?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Absolutely; absolutely, especially when I wrote the book. I went off to North Carolina\u2014to this mountain, where a friend of mine has a place. There were times when I think I was supposed to write the book to help others, and it came pouring out very quickly when I was writing it. There were periods where I\u2019m reliving it\u2014and putting it out there, honestly, and in detail\u2014that I would just stop and be sobbing\u2014I would just have to take a break. It was so therapeutic, in one way; because I was getting all that pain out of me. I found that\u2014you know, on the outside, I kept it together pretty well; but I did self-medicate with food, which is why I ended up so large. That was my side effect, and it is something I continue to work with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was very difficult to sleep; it was very difficult to get along; it was difficult to be a good father to my other children, at times; because it\u2019s always weighing\u2014it\u2019s always there\u2014it\u2019s the elephant in the room, no matter what we were doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you had, two minutes, and you were sitting down with somebody who said, \u201cOur daughter\u2019s in rehab for the third time,\u201d or \u201cWe just checked our son in this past weekend, and we\u2019re praying that this will be the turnaround,\u201d or \u201cWe just learned that our son\u2019s been taking these pills. He and his friends have been using Oxy,\u201d\u2014and you have two minutes to give them your best shot at the counsel, what would you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> \u201cNever give up on them. Don\u2019t get too high or too low. We tend to live in hope-neutral. If you get too unrealistic in your hope, one way or another, then that is not healthy to the person or yourself,\u201d and \u201cDon\u2019t sweat the small stuff. Just do whatever you can to let them know that you are there for them, and that you love them and that you accept them,\u201d\u2014that is the key. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have talked two or three times about the power of unconditional love. That was key for <em>you<\/em> in your relationship with Tommy and key for <em>him<\/em> in helping him battle this; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, I did not understand the power of acceptance. I certainly understood the power of forgiveness\u2014which, of course, our faith is based on. The power of acceptance for a kid is <em>incredible<\/em>. His response\u2014when I really just fully accepted him, and the communication channels opened up, and I let him know that I forgave him for all his issues and what he\u2019d brought on the family, and that I just accepted him for who he was today\u2014that made a <em>huge<\/em> difference. There was major power in that family love rather than putting him in another isolated facility. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is a verse of Scripture that you have written down there\u2014Romans 12:12. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think its good advice for families, who are in the midst of this. Read that verse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> \u201cBe joyful in hope, patient in affliction and faithful in prayer.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat really kind of summarizes a lot of what we have been through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you were talking, Rick, I couldn\u2019t help but think of a phrase in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians 13: \u201cLove bears all things,\u201d\u2014it is like a bridge\u2014it is a load-bearing act of God in our souls to give us the ability to be a burden-bearer for somebody we care about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank you for not quitting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to thank you for being courageous and writing the book, <em>On Pills and Needles<\/em>. You will have to wait to heaven to hear all the stories, I am sure, of how God uses this to touch lives\u2014families\/loved ones\u2014who are off in an addiction. Thanks for saying, \u201cYes,\u201d to God and for doing the courageous thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Well, thanks for having me; and thank you so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just encourage our listeners\u2014pray for Tommy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, pray for Tommy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I will give you one more story of courage\u2014not so much what I did\u2014but my wife pulled one off. She is only about five-foot tall and, you know, a hundred ten pounds, soaking wet; [Laughter] but she is the toughest gal that you would ever want to come across. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was out of town on a business a trip. One of Tommy\u2019s drug dealers had appropriated his car. She managed to get hold of his phone number from Tommy\u2019s phone, and called him, and said, \u201cYou better get that car back or I\u2019m going to be down there and\u2026\u201d\u2014to which, he said, \u201cLady, that car\u2019s going to be in the chop shop before you get anywhere near here\u2026\u201d and this and that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, she got a friend of hers\u2014I would not have been happy with this\u2014but she got a friend of hers to put her in the car and drive her down to one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Orlando. With a spare key, go right in his\u2014with a barking dog there and him screaming at her from the door, probably armed\u2014and she got in that car and took the car home. [Laughter] Anyway\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Given all that you guys have been through with Tommy over the last decade, that\u2019ll build some toughness into you; and it comes through, by the way, in your book, <em>On Pills and Needles\u2014<\/em>which, of course, we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center\u2014<em>The Relentless Fight to Save My Son form Opioid Addiction<\/em> by Rick Van Warner. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information on how to get a copy of the book, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY if you would like to order by phone. 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