{"id":300377,"date":"2018-09-17T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-09-17T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/for-better-or-worse\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:33","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:33","slug":"for-better-or-worse","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/for-better-or-worse\/","title":{"rendered":"For Better or Worse"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In 2003 Shauna Shanks&#8217; boyfriend, Micah, proposed. As the years passed, resentment and restlessness began to set in. 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As the years passed, resentment and restlessness began to set in. Shanks tells of the shock she felt when Micah asked for a divorce 10 years into the marriage.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-09-17.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Shauna Shanks remembers being stunned when, in a disagreement \/ an argument with her husband, he said things she never expected to hear from him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> He begins to tell me that he is not attracted to me\u2014that he hasn\u2019t been attracted to me for a really long time\u2014that he doesn\u2019t love me and that he wanted a divorce. It really caught me off guard. I even said to him, \u201cBut, Micah, our ten-year anniversary is coming up next month.\u201d He said: \u201cI know. I\u2019ve wasted ten years of my life with you, and I don\u2019t want to waste another ten years.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, September 17<sup>th<\/sup>.Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. When a marriage gets to that point\u2014when those kinds of words are said\u2014is there still any hope left? We\u2019ll find out today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to<em> FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I was talking to a friend of mine just recently about the for-better-or-worse vows that we take when we get married. I think, when we say that, we have an imagination of how bad \u201cworse\u201d could be; but there are some folks who have experienced \u201cworse\u201d at a deeper level than they ever imagined. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. I think there\u2019s a reason those vows are made. There are going to be rough periods\/stretches\u2014sometimes more than one season\u2014in a marriage relationship and an occasional surprise that rocks that promise to its core. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a new friend here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014Shauna Shanks\u2014who comes all the way from Chillicothe, Ohio. Shauna, you\u2019ve written a book called <em>A<\/em> <em>Fierce Love<\/em>, subtitled: <em>A Woman\u2019s Courageous Journey to Save Her Marriage<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love how your relationship started out, where your husband Micah proposed to you; because you couldn\u2019t ask for a more <em>romantic<\/em> setting. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Take us to that place and tell us what happened. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna<\/strong>: We lived in California at the time. He took me to the bottom of the Golden Gate Bridge, because I loved going to San Francisco. I <em>knew<\/em> that he was going to propose\u2014we kind of talked about it\u2014but I wasn\u2019t sure he\u2019d bought a ring and that sort of thing. He\u2019d planned out this whole romantic day. We went to the Palace of Fine Arts. We ate seafood on the pier. Right at sunset is when he took me to the bottom of the bridge. He climbs up on this big rock and reaches for my hand for me to climb up there. I climb up there. He gets on one knee, and I know what\u2019s happening. I\u2019ve waited for two long years for this moment, because it was actually a long-distance relationship; so we were visiting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was just the most spectacular moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI heard this shuffling sound out of the corner of my ear. I didn\u2019t know if Micah heard it or not, but he stopped what he was doing. We were just standing there, awkwardly, at this point, thinking, \u201cWhat is that noise?\u201d What I didn\u2019t realize is that the beach that we were on is actually a <em>nude<\/em> beach. [Laughter] When I turn around like this\u2014the sound kept getting louder, and louder, and louder\u2014it was a <em>naked<\/em> man running over to us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just freeze\u2014my husband freezes; he\u2019s holding my hand, and I freeze\u2014a bit awkward. [Laugher] The naked man\u2014he runs all the way up to the rock that we\u2019re standing on, taps the rock, turns around, and his bottom bounces all the way back to wherever he had come from. [Laughter] My now husband said, \u201cWill you marry me?\u201d So that is, um\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s a memorable proposal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes; so my kids know the story about the naked man. [Laughter]\u00a0 He\u2019s like an endearing character in our past.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You never knew who the guy was?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Oh, no!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You said it was a long-distance relationship. How did you and Micah meet in the first place? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna: <\/strong>We actually are from the same hometown, but we went to separate colleges. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe became friends about four months before we both moved. Our friendship\u2014courtship\/dating; whatever you want to call it\u2014happened within like three to four months. He moved to Sacramento, California; and I moved to Dallas, Texas. I think we were just\u2014I\u2019d like to say that, \u201cOh, we were young and in love,\u201d\u2014m<em>aybe<\/em>\u2014but we were also just very stubborn. We had started it; we just wanted to see it through, I think. This is before\u2014this is going to make me sound really old\u2014but this is before FaceTime and all of that. We were emailing, back and forth\u2014that was how our\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That is old\u2014it was <em>emailing<\/em>. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now listen\u2014I have a box of letters from my wife from back in our courtship days\u2014that\u2019s how old we are. Emails\u2014you\u2019re kind of on the newer side of things here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna: <\/strong>We did letters some, but it was mostly for nostalgia; you know.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you guys started out your marriage, obviously, in an unusual way. If I would have come to you, as you started your first year of marriage, would you have said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThis is looking like this is going to be a <em>dream<\/em> relationship for the rest of our lives. We\u2019re going to have some children, and start a home, and live there in Chillicothe, Ohio; and all is going to be well\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> I would say, \u201cNo; not at all,\u201d because I really was kind of oblivious, I guess, to what being a wife looked like\u2014which sounds silly\u2014because I grew up in a Christian home \/ I was in a Bible college. When I moved in with my husband, I said, \u201cWell, it\u2019s going to be easy to love someone like Jesus does\u201d; you know? We weren\u2019t used to even being in the same city, let alone the same home. Right away, I think\u2014for me, at least\u2014it developed into a selfish love\u2014like, \u201cHe\u2019s not doing what I think he should be doing for me,\u201d\u2014that kind of thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, I think it is funny; because I was at a Bible college; right? I think that just the circle that I was in, it was: \u201cMarriage is the easy part; and then your ministry or whatever you\u2019re doing is where you focus your resources on, but marriage should just come natural.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think there\u2019s a lot of naivety. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We experienced it when we got married\u2014the idea that, \u201cBecause we both love Jesus and we love each other, what can go wrong?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob<\/strong>: Then you do move in and you do find: \u201cOh, you don\u2019t think about everything <em>exactly<\/em> the way I think about everything. You don\u2019t choose to do things exactly the way I would choose to do them,\u201d and we\u2019re thrown off by that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s not working the way we thought it was going to work. Unless we learn how to make some adjustments during those years, we wind up in isolation rather than together as a husband and wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you experience the sense of isolation in the early years of your marriage?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> I think the isolation but, also, we got pregnant fairly early on. We moved home to Ohio, because we couldn\u2019t afford to live in California anymore. We road-tripped home, which is a stress. Then he had issues getting work right away\u2014so that\u2019s a stress. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis fairytale that I imagined quickly was like: \u201cOkay; now you have bills. Now you have a baby, and you\u2019re not even getting along that well.\u201d It just kind of fizzled out, really early on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I say \u201cfizzled,\u201dI mean just the fairytale was shattered; because we were still doing life together. We were, I think, doing the best we could with how we were equipped at that time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No other relationship on the planet is <em>less<\/em> prepared for\u2014in terms of the significance of the relationship compared to the amount of time and training\u2014than marriage. In other words, young couples like you\u2014what you\u2019re describing\u2014that\u2019s how Barbara and I started too. We were na\u00efve, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think if you know somebody, who\u2019s getting married, the very <em>best<\/em> wedding gift you can give them is the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. If they can\u2019t go before they get married, certainly within the first few months of their marriage. If you can get them started on a right trajectory\u2014that will make all the difference in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And let me just quickly remind our listeners here about the special offer we\u2019re making this week for anyone who\u2019d like to attend a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway. You sign up this week and you will save 50 percent off the registration fee. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s our half-price offer that we\u2019re making, and it is good this week only. Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com; find out when a getaway is happening in a city near where you live, and mark out that weekend. Get away together to work on your marriage. Again, you\u2019ll save 50 percent if you sign up <em>this<\/em> week. You can sign up, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get more information or to sign up over the phone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I guess, Shauna, I want to ask you: \u201cIf I would have asked you about the trajectory of your relationship\u2014were you moving in different directions?\u2014were you moving, generally, in the same direction?\u2014did you experience oneness, early, in your relationship?\u2014or did you have that isolation factor from the very start and just completely began to drift apart over the next ten years?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> You know, what I think it was\u2014is resentment. I think that I had an idea where I was going to go in my life, and he had this idea. Then, there was so much compromise; and then his job fell through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we had all these things happen. I just think that we resented each other, early on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You found yourself, at one point in your marriage, kind of attracted to somebody else; didn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes; this was years later, but yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was that circumstance?\u2014and what was it that caused you to be looking outside your marriage?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Well, I was working in a hospital. Every day I would just pass this guy in the hall. And honestly, it wasn\u2019t\u2014I mean, I never talked to the guy or anything like that\u2014but I just had this, because I was older\u2014this was probably almost ten years into our marriage\u2014but I would just have this crush, like I felt in high school towards people. It kind of came out of nowhere. I thought, \u201cOh my; he\u2019s really cute!\u201d Then my friend knew that I thought he was cute\u2014she would kind of make a scene like, \u201cOh, there he is!\u201d We were acting like high school idiots in the hall. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But you never acted on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Never invited a relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Weren\u2019t really entertaining that\u2014it was more of a fantasy for you than anything else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Well, it was more of like I was surprised he even was coming up. You know what I mean? It was just like this attraction that just kind of happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think a lot of people have things like that that they never act on, but it\u2019s lurking in the back of the mind. Did you ever talk to your husband about it?\u2014ever tell him that that was something you were feeling and you felt kind of weird and strange about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> No; it was something that I kind of harbored inside so that, when I\u2019d get mad at my husband, I\u2019m like: \u201cYou know what? I could do better than this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Honestly, you know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting that\u2019s where you went with it. Where I were actually\u2014If I had the opportunity to encourage you, at that point, I would have said, \u201cYou know, a fantasy like that\u2014or an attraction that\u2019s just a flicker\u2014can completely be quenched if you bring it out into the light.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A lot of married people are afraid of how their spouse would respond <em>if<\/em> they told them they were attracted to another person or had that thought. In fact, I\u2019ve shared with men this thought that I tell Barbara\u2014and I have told her over our 45 years of marriage\u2014when that thought has crossed my mind. Only when it\u2019s persisted with some kind of frequency that I\u2019d say to her: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u201cYou know, I got to tell you\u2014this is ridiculous\u2014but I just want you to know what\u2019s going on in my mind.\u201d At the point I tell her about that, it\u2019s <em>gone<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes; you know, after we had a collapse in our marriage\u2014or my husband was asking me for a divorce\u2014this guy that I had a crush on kind of came out of nowhere. He was at one of my son\u2019s games and asked me for my phone number. I just thought: \u201cWhat are the odds? I mean, I never talked to him the whole time I worked at the hospital. Now, my husband\u2019s asked me for a divorce; now, all of a sudden, here he comes.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy then, I had an accountability partner in my Aunt Jan\u2014she said: \u201cYou know, you are in a very fragile state in your marriage. The enemy may bring people to you to tempt you.\u201d I literally laughed in her face\u2014I was like, \u201cI\u2019m not even thinking that.\u201d Then, the next day, this guy came\u2014asking my phone number. As soon as I got in my car, I texted her, \u201cWhat you said is exactly right!\u201d As soon as I got that out in the open and say, \u201cI entertained this for a second. He asked my for my phone number.\u201d Then, it was in the light and it dissipated\u2014it loses its power.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; the power goes out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, I\u2019m glad you shared the story\u2014the rest of the story on that; because there are listeners, who have had the initial attraction. The true chemistry of the relationship has not had a chance to be catalytic; but when you do breathe some life into and put some hope in another person, it can happen in a heartbeat. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Shauna, you said you came to a point where you husband was asking for a divorce. Did you know, leading up to that time, when the issues came out in the open\u2014did you know there was anything going on? Were your marital senses tingling at all?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> No, not at all; because, probably the first ten years in our marriage, I was volunteering at our church as a kids\u2019 coordinator for the creative ministry\u2014but I wasn\u2019t in a place in my life where I was, I would say, on fire for God or really giving Him much time or attention. I was not in His Word daily. I was a very\u2014what the church would call \u201clukewarm\u201d Christian. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut right before he told me that he wanted a divorce, I had just gotten back from a conference; and I was seeking God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just really excited about what God was doing\u2014I was kind of in this personal revival. When I came home from the conference, that\u2019s when my husband broke me the news; and it completely took me off guard.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had gone out for a run \/ you were just out jogging, and you came home. Your husband said, \u201cI need to talk to you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes, I had just gotten back from the conference. I was running; and I came home and I said, \u201cHey, I\u2019m going to hop in the shower real quick.\u201d He said, \u201cWell, I need to talk to you.\u201d I said: \u201cOh, okay. Let\u2019s sit down; have our conversation.\u201d He said: \u201cYou know what? No; go ahead and get your shower first.\u201d I thought, \u201cNo; let\u2019s not do that, because now I\u2019m going to want to know what it is.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna: <\/strong>So we sit down. He begins to tell me that he is not attracted to me\u2014that he hasn\u2019t been attracted to me for a really long time\u2014that he doesn\u2019t love me, and that he wanted a divorce. At first, I thought he was kidding; because my husband\u2019s always been kind, even if we didn\u2019t have a really spectacular relationship. This really came out of nowhere.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe had a traumatic childhood, growing up, so he\u2019s never been overly touchy feely\u2014that\u2019s we just never were super affectionate \/ overly affectionate toward each other, so that part wasn\u2019t an alarm for me. I didn\u2019t know that it was because he wasn\u2019t attracted to me\u2014I just thought that it was in his DNA. It really caught me off guard\u2014I even said to him, \u201cBut, Micah, our ten year anniversary is coming up next month.\u201d He said: \u201cI know. I\u2019ve wasted ten years of my life with you, and I don\u2019t want to waste another ten years.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna<\/strong>: As he is telling me this, my sweet husband disappeared. I don\u2019t know how else to describe it\u2014he just became really cold and just very, \u201cOkay; these are the facts, and this is what\u2019s happening, and I\u2019m leaving you.\u201d He didn\u2019t say, \u201cSorry.\u201d It was at that point that I just started sobbing and really just started spiraling out of control, because I had no idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So as he was uttering these words, it had to almost be like an out-of-body experience for you, as a woman, to be hearing your husband say such damaging things to you, as a wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What did it feel like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> Well exactly as you said\u2014an out-of-body experience. It was like my brain was refusing to believe it, because we were both <em>in<\/em> church. We were both <em>okay<\/em>. Here\u2019s the thing\u2014as a wife, I was completely devastated to hear my husband tell me that he doesn\u2019t love me \/ that he\u2019s not attracted to me; but as a mom, I didn\u2019t have the luxury of just completely falling apart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had three kids together; so automatically, after he left the room, my mind starts spiraling into: \u201cWhat about the kids? This is going to <em>devastate<\/em> them. What about what school district are we going to be in if he leaves\u2014if we have to move? How am I going to pay for this house? Wait! I don\u2019t want to live in this big, dumb house by myself.\u201d So I\u2019m thinking about bills; I\u2019m thinking about kids\u2014I\u2019m thinking about how this is going to affect <em>them<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat same night\u2014it was really, really late or early morning\u2014and I realized that my mind has been thinking\/worrying about all of this logistical stuff all night long. I climbed into my son\u2019s bottom bunk\u2014he\u2019s still little at the time, and he still got up during the night. I climbed in that bunk, and I just <em>begged<\/em> God\u2014I said: \u201cPlease give me something to focus on, because I have to be calm so I can sleep; because I have to get up with these kids and be some kind of coherent and be a good mom to them tomorrow. I can\u2019t just fall apart.\u201d I said in my desperation, \u201cPlease just give me one thing I can focus on so that I can be calm and go to sleep.\u201d He met me that night and He answered me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What did you focus on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> What I heard Him speak to me was, \u201cHope and endure.\u201d The interesting thing about that is that\u2014as I had shared, I wasn\u2019t the Christian before who was really focusing on God or being the model Christian; but yet, in my moment of devastation, He didn\u2019t hold that against me. He wasn\u2019t like, \u201cOh you haven\u2019t been talking to Me; so I\u2019m not going to answer you.\u201d He came and He said, \u201cHope and endure.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat night, I was thinking about that phrase; and it took my mind to 1 Corinthians 13, which is the love chapter\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s the one that they say at every wedding; right?\u2014\u201cLove is patient. Love is kind. It doesn\u2019t envy. It doesn\u2019t boast. It\u2019s not rude. It\u2019s not self-seeking. It doesn\u2019t keep a record of wrongs.\u201d The last two things it says is it always hopes and it always endures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the next couple of weeks, I thought: \u201cYou know what? I asked the God of the universe for help. I said, \u2018Please give me something to focus on,\u2019 and He spoke, \u2018Hope and endure.\u2019\u201d I just thought, \u201cIf He, the God, who spins the planets, is going to answer me at the bottom bunk of my son\u2019s bed, while I\u2019m devastated, I\u2019d better listen\u201d; so I would pull out the Scriptures of 1 Corinthians 13. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn my book, I eventually call it \u201cthe love filter\u201d; because I just thought: \u201cYou know what? This must be my move. My next move is not to worry about the house, or the payments, or the kids\u2019 schools. My next move must be: \u2018<em>Be<\/em> patient; <em>be<\/em> kind; <em>don\u2019t be<\/em> jealous; <em>don\u2019t be<\/em> rude.\u2019\u201d It really became like a way of life for me to just, every single day, not to worry about all the outside factors; but worry about what I can do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf I can do <em>nothing<\/em> else the next day, I focus all my attention: \u201cI can be kind today.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Shauna, it\u2019s hard to live out 1Corintians 13 if you\u2019re living with somebody who\u2019s grumpy. But if your husband has just come and said, \u201cI\u2019m not attracted to you, and I don\u2019t want to live with you anymore,\u201d\u2014now, all of a sudden, it\u2019s kind of like: \u201cHey, you have just disqualified yourself from the benefits of 1 Corinthians 13 with those statements. [Laughter] I mean, I shouldn\u2019t have to live this out if that\u2019s how you\u2019re going to treat <em>me<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well that\u2019s how the flesh responds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think you just have given all of us, regardless of our circumstances, a <em>great<\/em> way to look at something hard\/something tuff\u2014to just go to the God of the universe, very simply, humbly and pray, \u201cWould You show me what to focus on?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shauna:<\/strong> And that\u2019s the amazing thing\u2014is that when you do that, He answers us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that I was able to\u2014as you said: \u201cHe\u2019s disqualified himself,\u201d \u201cHe doesn\u2019t deserve that,\u201d or whatever\u2014but what I found in my journey is that, when God tasks you to do something, He also provides you the <em>way<\/em> to do it\u2014He <em>empowers<\/em> you to <em>do<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Word of God that I had known since childhood was coming alive to me\u2014like, \u201cOh, I can do <em>this<\/em>.\u201d Okay; it sounds hard, right?\u2014but also, we should know how to be kind\u2014but it was the hardest thing I <em>ever<\/em> had to do. What I found, in the end, was that I think God was just really giving me busy work: \u201cYou just work on your list. You be kind. You work on this, and I will work in your husband\u2019s heart. Let me do that. Let Me do the hard lifting \/ let Me do the heavy lifting. You just do your list.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, looking back, I just see that it was a mercy that God gave me to keep me sane \/ to keep me comforted\u2014like: \u201cWhat my husband\u2019s doing is none of my business. What my business is\u2014being obedient to God.\u201d I asked Him for help\u2014He took me to \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians 13: \u201cThis is my checklist.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I\u2019m around my husband\u2014because he stayed in the house; he didn\u2019t move out\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I had so many opportunities to work on this list; because, when he was around, I didn\u2019t want to be kind\u2014you know, I <em>did<\/em> want to be rude. It\u2019s like what your mother says, growing up, \u201cIf you don\u2019t have anything nice to say, don\u2019t say anything at all.\u201d Normally, in a situation like that, I would have thought that, if he had said, \u201cI want a divorce,\u201d I would have said: \u201cOkay; there\u2019s the door. Don\u2019t let it hit you on the way out.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut God intervened and He said: \u201cYou follow this list. Don\u2019t worry about anything else,\u201d because the bottom line is\u2014and this might sound harsh\u2014but this is how God dealt with me in those days was\u2014eventually, someday, I have to stand before God and give an account for what I had done\u2014not for what he\u2019s done. If God asked me to be kind today, then I\u2019d better be kind today and be obedient to Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019ve found is\u2014there is <em>safety<\/em> in obedience. It wasn\u2019t even this grace that I was giving my husband, because he deserved it. At that point, it was just me offering obedience to the Lord and saying: \u201cRegardless of what he\u2019s doing, God, You\u2019ve asked me to do this. This is about me and You\u2014no one else.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think, again, of your model\u2014what a <em>beautiful<\/em> model of how, again, all of us are to face hard circumstances instead of becoming bitter, getting angry, lashing out, using words to hurt them back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s more to this story\u2014including the drama that set this up \/ what brought him to that point\u2014we will talk about that\u2014but to that listener, who\u2019s heard Shauna\u2019s story today, I don\u2019t know what God is up to in your life; but 1 Corinthians 13 is in your Bible. I\u2019d encourage you to go to that chapter, right now, and to pray a similar prayer:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cGod, would You show me where to put my hope \/ my purpose\u2014what I\u2019m going to be about right now?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think use Shauna\u2019s words\u2014what she just reminded us\u2014she\u2019s not responsible for his response. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>She is only responsible for <em>her<\/em> response.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; there\u2019s a reason you titled the book <em>A Fierce Love<\/em>; because that\u2019s the kind of love that 1 Corinthians 13 describes\u2014not a mushy romantic love\u2014but a <em>strong<\/em> love \/ a <em>bold<\/em> love\u2014the kind of love that it was going to take if your marriage was going to survive. We\u2019ve got copies of Shauna Shanks\u2019 book, <em>A Fierce Love: One Woman\u2019s Courageous Journey to Save Her Marriage<\/em>. You\u2019ll find it at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can order it from us, online; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy of the book. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can reach us by phone at 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also, again, encourage our listeners\u2014if your marriage is in a tough spot\u2014or for that matter, if your marriage is doing fine but you just want to make sure that you\u2019re building <em>into<\/em> your marriage \/ you\u2019re building a strong healthy foundation <em>under<\/em> your marriage so it can weather the kinds of storms that have been described today\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014plan to go to one of our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaways this fall. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you are a regular <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener, you\u2019ve heard us talk about these getaways for a long time. A lot of you have never carved out the weekend and gotten away for this. Well, we want to incentivize you a little bit, so we have cut the price in half this week. If you will sign up to attend this week, you can save 50 percent off the registration fee. All the details are available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call if you have any questions: 1-800-FL-TODAY is our number. There\u2019s information about dates and locations online; or just call and tell us where you live, and we\u2019ll find a getaway near you. Again, make plans to do something this fall that will build <em>into<\/em> your marriage\u2014attend one of our <em>Weekend to Remember <\/em>marriage getaways.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you live in the Portland area, I\u2019m going to be coming to that getaway. Looking forward to being in the Pacific Northwest and hope you\u2019ll plan to come out in November for the getaway. I\u2019d love to meet you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk with our guest, Shauna Shanks, about what you do in a marriage when there\u2019s been the level of betrayal and rejection that Shauna experienced. She\u2019ll be back with us tomorrow. I hope you can be back as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch. We got some special help form Mark Ramey as well. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> of Little Rock, Arkansas; \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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