{"id":300337,"date":"2018-08-17T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-08-17T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/what-about-me\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:30","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:30","slug":"what-about-me","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/what-about-me\/","title":{"rendered":"What About ME?"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Brooke McGlothlin, author of &#8220;The Gospel Centered Mom,&#8221; dispels the myths of the &#8220;ME&#8221; gospel. 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Here\u2019s Brooke McGlothlin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>I want to model for my kids\u2014not a harsh judgmental God\u2014but a God that says, \u201cCome to me. Come to me. You can trust Me.\u201d I want them to feel safe enough in my love for them that they find it easy to obey. I think there\u2019s got to be grace there. Yes, God does tell children to obey their parents, but not in a harsh judgmental, \u201cYou must do it the first time with a happy heart.\u201d\u2014because sometimes I obey God now as a 40-year-old-woman\u2014and I\u2019m not happy about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLifeToday<\/em> for Friday, August 17<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. If your children\u2019s picture of God is based on what they see in you\u2014what kind of a picture of God do you think they have? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going to explore that more today with Brooke McLaughlin. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBack before Mother\u2019s Day there was an article online that I read. In fact\u2014I think that we can still link to this at FamilyLifeToday.com, if somebody wants to read this\u2014but it was a mom talking about the common view of motherhood in our day\u2014even among mothers. She said, \u201cHere\u2019s how people feel, \u2018You\u2019re a mom, and no one appreciates you. Am I right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou have to do everything. Life is terrible. You haven\u2019t slept in 84 hours. You have barf on your underutilized yoga pants. Your husband doesn\u2019t understand why you\u2019ve broken into wild, helpless sobs simply because he accidentally let the baby chew on a Sharpie cap instead of that weirdly omnipresent BPA-free $24 chewy giraffe.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIn case you haven\u2019t heard,\u201d she goes on, \u201cmotherhood is a terrible thankless nightmare or so we\u2019re told. Turn on the TV, open a magazine, surf the web, browse through the bookstore and here\u2019s the message. The wildly popular parenting is worse than a Stephen King story genre\u2014ready to engulf you in its gaping claw.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But that\u2019s the narrative that\u2019s in the culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is. It\u2019s the way a lot of days feel for moms who are raising a pack of youngsters today\u2014but we have a guest, Brooke McGlothlin\u2014who is back with us again on <em>FamilyLifeToday<\/em>. Brooke, welcome back to the broadcast. You believe differently than that; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>I do on some level, I mean\u2014there is a lot of hard stuff in parenting\u2014but I do believe it\u2019s worth so much more than just that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Brooke has written a book called <em>Gospel-Centered Mom<\/em>. She is the founder\u2014co-founder\u2014of Raising Boys Ministry\u2014because she has two. She and her husband, Cory, have been married since 2002. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And she heads up the MOB.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>She does head up the MOB.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob &amp; Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014Mothers of Boys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and if you\u2019re ever caught speeding in the state of Virginia\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014You just tell Officer McGlothlin, \u201cI loved your wife\u2019s book.\u201d That should get you a war\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because he\u2019s still going to be good for two or three years\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014served the state well. Let\u2019s talk about what\u2019s at the heart of where moms get deceived. They start thinking, \u201cIt\u2019s all about me;\u201d don\u2019t they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>They do\u2014and our culture makes it so easy to think that today. Yes, I talk a lot about what I like to call the \u201cMe\u201d gospel. It is an easy way to talk about man-centered theology, but to me it\u2019s an easier way to understand it. The \u201cMe\u201d gospel\u2014as I see it, at its best\u2014is that it\u2019s the good news\u2014I say that\u2014the listeners can\u2019t see me but I\u2019m quoting it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the air quotes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke:<\/strong> Yes, the air quotes\u2014\u201cgood news\u201d\u2014that God is all about meeting <em>my<\/em> needs, <em>my<\/em> wants, and <em>my<\/em> deepest desires. But at its worst it\u2019s really not good news at all\u2014because it\u2019s not the true gospel at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact you say that there are really four narratives that moms keep hearing with this \u201cMe\u201d gospel. The first of those is, \u201cI need rest.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now every mom listening is raising her hand and saying, \u201cWhat is wrong with that? That\u2019s true. That\u2019s a reality. I am more continually exhausted than I am energized, so that\u2019s my reality. I do need rest.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, they do. Everybody does. God made us to rest. He gave us the seventh day. He rested on the seventh day\u2014He models that for us. He tells us, \u201cCome to Me when you need rest and I\u2019ll give it to you.\u201d So\u2014in and of itself there is nothing wrong with rest\u2014or any of the four categories that I talk about\u2014there\u2019s really nothing wrong with those. The problem happens with those when we give them an improper position in our lives\u2014we make them an idol or when we make them a god themselves. Any good thing that God gives us can be turned into something that rules us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>We don\u2019t want to let that happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re a mom with two very active boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are days you need rest; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. When they were little, I took advantage of what I could get. It was very important to me that they had a quiet time every day. When they were little that meant they napped\u2014but it didn\u2019t always mean that. They got to the age when they were beyond a nap\u2014and we still had an hour of quiet time in their rooms. Now it wasn\u2019t always quiet from their perspective, but it was a sanity break for me. I didn\u2019t normally nap during that time, but it was a break from the chaos sometimes of being a mother.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. So when a mom is feeling that \u201cI need rest,\u201d what\u2019s the wrong way to deal with that and what\u2019s the right way to deal with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good question. I think you take advantage of what you have. That will look different for different moms listening today. Not all of you will be stay-at-home moms\u2014I was a stay at home mom for\u2014I\u2019m a work at home mom now, so I\u2019m still at home, but it just looks different. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a working mom\u2014outside of the home\u2014rest for your soul means listening to worship music on the way to work,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tor choosing to listen to your pastor\u2019s sermon from the week before on your way home because you spent too much time wrangling your kids in the church service and you really would like to go back and listen to what he said. There are things you can do to put that into place. Those are some of the right ways to do it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe another right way is to put your kids to bed at a decent hour\u2014is to not be so busy as a family that you can\u2019t have natural rhythms. I say that as a mom whose husband works shift work so natural rhythms for us were difficult. We had to take advantage of it. We still\u2014to this day\u2014have to take advantage of what we can. But you can create\u2014with some work and effort\u2014some natural rhythms to your life that allow you a few minutes at a time to pause and just breathe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s another way moms struggle, not with just needing rest. But they also struggle with watching their children\u2014constantly\u2014press their limits and press obedience back against mom. You said in your book, \u201cYou must obey me\u2014now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well now, wait. Isn\u2019t that what it\u2019s supposed to be? Kids should obey instantly\u2014first time obedience. Isn\u2019t that what you\u2019re going for?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>[Laughter] Of course.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>You know, I think there are some great books out there on teaching your kids obedience. I definitely think that children\u2014God tells children to be obedient to their parents\u2014so I would in no shape or form say that that\u2019s not true\u2014that children don\u2019t need to obey their parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I know myself and I know my loving, forgiving God. I don\u2019t always obey Him on the first time\u2014I don\u2019t. So I want to model for my kids, not a harsh judgmental God, but a God that says, \u201cCome to me. Come to me. You can trust me.\u201d I want them to feel safe enough in my love for them that they find it easy to obey. That\u2019s not always something\u2014you know\u2014it doesn\u2019t happen all the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just look at my own relationship with God and what I see of Him in the Scriptures. I think there\u2019s got to be grace there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes, God does tell children to obey their parents, but not in a harsh, judgmental, \u201cYou must do it the first time with a happy heart.\u201d Because sometimes I obey God\u2014now as a 40-year-old woman\u2014and I\u2019m not happy about it. [Laughter] It\u2019s the truth.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>One of the key insights from <em>The Art Of Parenting<\/em>\u2122 Video Series that we\u2019ve done\u2014something that struck me was when a couple of the contributors talked about the fact that we have to recognize there\u2019s a difference between childish behavior and actual disobedience. Sometimes we are disciplining our kids for being children rather than for willful disobedience. You can tell when a child has been willfully disobedient, stubborn, resistant, and when a child is just being a kid and doing what kids do; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes. But we\u2014I think as adults\u2014we are so demanding of them. I have a degree in psychology and a masters in counseling\u2014I studied a lot of developmental psychology when I was in school. When you really think about what you\u2019re asking of your child,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tif you\u2019ll think about what developmental stage they are in, you might find that you\u2019re asking too much of them at any certain time\u2014and that you just need to pump the brakes a little bit and give them some grace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s another area where moms struggle. That\u2019s with the whole idea \u2013\u201cI need to take care of myself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The \u201cMe\u201d \u2014I need some \u201cMe\u201d time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes. With this category\u2014as with the rest\u2014there\u2019s nothing wrong with having a little bit of time alone\u2014but it\u2019s not your right! We have these expectations that again are not based on the truth of what the Word of God says. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we\u2019ll allow ourselves the opportunity to go and actually find out what it says, we may find that we\u2019ve kind of created a god that doesn\u2019t exist on the pages of Scripture. When we find that\u2014when we realize that\u2014the appropriate change in us is to change direction in accordance with what His word says. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>When Barbara and I were in the thick of raising our six\u2014I\u2019ll never forget reading a statement by C.S. Lewis\u2014he said, \u201cThere are no such things as interruptions. Interruptions are the real life God brings to you day by day.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think if we can begin to realize that sometimes\u2014the very things we view as interrupting our real life\u2014are really where God wants us to pause and stop and connect with the child or take some additional time with the child\u2014and allow him to get our attention in the midst of a flurry of activity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut back to taking care of yourself\u2014you don\u2019t do your children\u2014or your spouse\u2014a favor if you don\u2019t at some point find your pace\u2014find what you can handle. There\u2019s a side of being a parent that\u2014if you\u2019re so conscientious you can\u2019t take any time off from it\u2014you\u2019ve got to be there all the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>You do. You know it is a 24-7 job. It\u2019s not even really something that ends at 18\u2014but\u2026my husband has tried to be very, very good to me in that way\u2014in allowing me\u2014when he comes home and he sees that I am stressed out, he will give me a break.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe will say, \u201cGo to the coffee shop for a couple of hours.\u201d He will say,\u201d Absolutely\u2014Yes\u2014go on that women\u2019s retreat.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know that there are moms listening that may not have those options\u2014especially if you are a single mom\u2014that might not be a great option for you. There might not be some\u2014there literally may not be someone that you trust to leave your kids with\u2014I get that\u2014but there are still ways that you can rest and find ways to take care of yourself without going overboard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. Again the issue here is when you make, \u201cI can take care of myself\u201d bigger than what God has planned for your life. That\u2019s where moms look at the assignment God has given them and they say, \u201cI don\u2019t like it. I resent it. I want a different assignment.\u201d Have you felt that as you raised your boys?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. There have been so many times\u2014I talk about this in the book\u2014there was a point when I had to accept the children that God had given me instead of wishing they were something else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I want to be clear\u2014I didn\u2019t wish for different children\u2014I love my children with everything I have. I would not trade them for the world. But there were lots of times when I found myself praying and wishing that God had made them just a little bit easier to handle\u2014just a little less aggressive\u2014just a little bit\u2014lower on \u201cthose boys\u201d scale. I had to come to a point where I accepted who God gave me and that I was okay with that and recognized that it was all a part of His story in our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s another big idea in your book that I want you to comment on and you talk about. That\u2019s the idea of living out your story, making your journey a part of the message for your children and your generation that you influence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, it\u2019s so important. I remember when God first opened my eyes to this. I was doing a Bible study on the Old Testament prophets. We were studying Hosea. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were looking at the book of Hosea some\u2014as a part of the bigger picture of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had heard the story of Hosea before. I knew\u2014I grew up in Sunday school\u2014I knew what it was\u2014but for the first time I looked at that and I thought, \u201cWow! God asked him to marry a prostitute!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Good grief! If God asked me to do something like that, would I have said, \u201cYes?\u201d My word! I don\u2019t know. That\u2019s a difficult thing. But as you look at Hosea\u2019s story, we know now being on the other side of it, that it is a picture of God\u2019s heart toward us. It was toward the Israelites\u2014and now toward us as believers. It is a picture of how God comes after us over and over and over again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>That there\u2019s nothing that we can do\u2014as Gomer left Hosea and you know the Scriptures\u2014we\u2019re not even 100% sure that the children they had together were his. There was ample reason for him to leave her and go on his own way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut he stayed\u2014because he recognized that he needed to do what God asked him to do. Now we know that his life was an \u201cin real life\u201d picture to us that helps us understand who God is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI look around and\u2014sometimes moms say well, \u201cI really don\u2019t know why it is important for me to follow God or to live my life the way God wants me to.\u201d My answer to that is\u2014You always have influence over somebody. You may not have influence over millions of people. You may have influence in your home. You may have influence over the women in your Bible study group. Your life touches someone else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s always someone watching you\u2014especially the non-believers\u2014especially the people who have not made that commitment to Christ yet. They are watching you as someone who says that they are a believer in Christ\u2014especially in the hard stories. They are watching to see if the God you say that you serve is really worth serving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So Brooke\u2014the young wife who is thinking, \u201cI am not sure I\u2019m ready to start a family\u2014I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m ready to strap on what you\u2019ve been talking about.\u201d \u201cI kind of like the rhythm of life today. I\u2019m afraid I would not be a very good mom.\u201d \u201cIf I\u2019m sleepless for a couple of nights, it will not go well for me or for my household.\u201d She\u2019s thinking, \u201cMaybe I\u2019ll grow into this and maybe when I\u2019m 35\u2014that\u2019s the best.\u201d What do you say to a young mom who is wrestling with this dilemma about, \u201cAm I ready for motherhood?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>A part of the Christian journey is being willing to suffer\u2014I don\u2019t really know why. I wish I could look at the Scripture and tell you this is exactly why God does it this way\u2014but what we know from Scripture is that He does. There is fruit that comes from suffering. There is fruit that comes from walking through hard things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible tells us that all of these things\u2014that taking joy in our suffering\u2014which is really hard to do and seems very different from what we want to do when we\u2019re in pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBeing willing to lay down your life for the sake of someone else is so wrapped up in the gospel message. It <em>is<\/em> the gospel message.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>So as we look at\u2014I can say with 100% surety that I have felt that way too. I have felt like,\u201d Can I really do this? Do I really want to give away my freedom for the sake of someone else?\u201d But then I remind myself that that is exactly what Jesus did for me\u2014exactly what Jesus did for me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>So, as someone who says, \u201cI will follow Him,\u201d then I have to be willing to do just that\u2014even if it\u2019s hard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Back to the illustration that you used\u2014somebody is watching.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s easy to succeed\u2014it\u2019s easy to handle success in terms of going with the flow\u2014but when things go south\u2014for instance, you had a miscarriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>We did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are people who are watching, people who are wondering, \u201cHow will Brooke and Cory handle that\u2014 as individuals\u2014but also as a couple?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow did you handle it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>I think at first\u2014I mean, it was hard. Anytime you have a significant\u2014I would love to be able to tell you guys that I was super, super spiritual about it in that I never struggled in my faith and that I never wavered in my belief in God\u2019s goodness to me\u2014but that would not be the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe truth is that I did struggle through that\u2014that it was a painful loss and that while I had lost that baby, a lot of my friends around me were carrying babies, and that I struggled to watch their bellies swell, and I struggled to watch their children come into the world. For a season I struggled to feel related to their children because I knew that I would have had one the same age. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI saw that God was being good to everyone around me and wondered if maybe He had stopped being good to me because it wasn\u2019t just the miscarriage for us. That miscarriage came on the tail end of a season of loss for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had been kind of sucker punched by life for about six years, over and over and over again. That miscarriage was what really put the nail in the coffin for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So how did you come to resolution with those challenges to your faith?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Well, I think it\u2019s important to say that I was honest about it\u2014I struggled. I was honest. I didn\u2019t try to hide it from God. I didn\u2019t try to run away from God. There were times when I yelled at Him. There were times when I questioned Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI tried to pick a few people that I felt like I could be honest with\u2014my husband was one of them. I don\u2019t know if there\u2019s any woman listening now who have had a miscarriage\u2014they will understand that that is sacred space for a woman. I did not just talk about it to any ol\u2019 person. It had to be someone that I highly trusted and I knew would take care of my emotions and my feelings. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had a couple of trusted people outside of my marriage that I felt like I could talk to about it. I just was honest and open about it and told them where I was struggling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey came around me in a season where I really didn\u2019t have the strength to speak the truth to myself\u2014they spoke the truth over me instead. Boy, we all need to pray for friends like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How you handle suffering like that does make you a stronger person. As you were talking I was just thinking about the last chapter of Job, Chapter 42, where Job talks about all of what he had been through. He summarizes it by saying, \u201cYou know, I had heard of you God, but after all I have been through\u201d\u2014now I am paraphrasing by the way\u2014\u201cbut after everything I have been through, I not only hear of You\u2014I now see You.\u201d He\u2019s saying I understand You and because of that, I yield to You.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He says, \u201cI repent.\u201d I think there\u2019s\u2014in our journeys and our story\u2014there\u2019s always an underlying theme of what God is up to in our lives\u2014maybe not giving us what we want, but perhaps giving us something that we need.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat really is what\u2019s at the core of what you\u2019ve written about in your book. I really appreciate all your work on this. Great job on it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke.<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I just want to wrap up with the last paragraph of the article I started today reading, because it was talking about the horrors of motherhood and how challenging it is and why would anybody want this. The writer says, \u201cTake heed terrified would-be parents of America. Parenthood is a gift. Parenthood is a joy. The marvelous far outweighs the so-called horrifying and at least 90% of the horrifying becomes funny over time.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Good reminder that our parenting journeys\u2014we need a reorientation that our children are a blessing, that parenting is a privilege and that with God\u2019s help and by his grace, we can raise the next generation to be strong\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014in their relationship with Him and to be contributors to our world. Brooke, I think that\u2019s at the heart of the book you\u2019ve written\u2014<em>Gospel Centered Mom<\/em>. It\u2019s a book we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em>\u00ae Resource Center. You can order a copy of the book from us online at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014at FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or call 1-800-FL-TODAY if you\u2019d like to order. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s really at the heart of the video series that<em> FamilyLife<\/em> has put together on parenting. It\u2019s a video series called <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>. There are lots of churches that forming Art of Parenting groups this fall-special classes or small groups that will be going through the video series. In fact a lot of churches are using our movie <em>Like Arrows<\/em> as a kickoff event to launch their <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups or classes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like more information about how your church or your small group can go through this material, got to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014and the information is available there. If you\u2019d like to go through the material with your husband or wife\u2014just the two of you\u2014it\u2019s available online. You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com for information as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s available for free. Again, go to FamilyLife Today.com and find out more about the online version of the <em>Art of Parenting.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen of course, Dennis\u2014your book\u2014<em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>, which you and Barbara have wrapped up is due in from the publisher anytime. We are making the book available this month to listeners who can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife<\/em> with a donation. This is our fiscal year end\u2014the month of August. We\u2019re trying to make sure we end this year in a healthy financial place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo help with that we have some friends of the ministry who have put together a $500,000 matching gift. So every donation we receive during the month of August is going to be matched dollar-for-dollar up to a total of $500,000. We\u2019re asking you, as a listener, to do whatever you can do this month to help with our financial support and help us take full advantage of that matching gift opportunity. Not only will your donation be doubled, but we will send you a copy of <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em> book from Dennis and Barbara Rainey as soon as it arrives from the publisher\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014as our way of saying, \u201cThank you\u201d for partnering with us in the work of this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, if you are one of our monthly Legacy Partners\u2014you should be getting information about this before long\u2014we\u2019re going to be having a Legacy Partner connect event on Thursday night, September 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Dennis and Barbara Rainey will be joining me along with <em>FamilyLife\u2019s<\/em> President David Robbins and his wife Meg. We\u2019re going to be talking about parenting issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe great thing about the call is we can interact together. We can have some dialogue, take some questions and respond to the issues that you are facing as parents. We are grateful for those of you who are monthly Legacy Partners and we look forward to the opportunity to interact with you. Again\u2014Thursday night, September 6<sup>th<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like to sign up to be on the call, call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. We\u2019ll add your phone number and then we\u2019ll call you when the phone call begins\u20147:00 Central Time on Thursday night the 6<sup>th<\/sup>. We look forward to connecting with you that evening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. Then we hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about what may be the most strategic\u2014the most significant outreach strategy available to us in our homes and in our families in trying to reach our neighbor\u2019s for Christ\u2014we\u2019re going to talk about hospitality. Rosaria Butterfield will be here to help us with that. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you on Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. A Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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She also identifies four main categories where she sees moms struggling most.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-08-17.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s an intimidating thought but it\u2019s true\u2014our children are getting their picture of who God is\u2014by looking at us. Here\u2019s Brooke McGlothlin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>I want to model for my kids\u2014not a harsh judgmental God\u2014but a God that says, \u201cCome to me. Come to me. You can trust Me.\u201d I want them to feel safe enough in my love for them that they find it easy to obey. I think there\u2019s got to be grace there. 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In fact\u2014I think that we can still link to this at FamilyLifeToday.com, if somebody wants to read this\u2014but it was a mom talking about the common view of motherhood in our day\u2014even among mothers. She said, \u201cHere\u2019s how people feel, \u2018You\u2019re a mom, and no one appreciates you. Am I right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou have to do everything. Life is terrible. You haven\u2019t slept in 84 hours. You have barf on your underutilized yoga pants. Your husband doesn\u2019t understand why you\u2019ve broken into wild, helpless sobs simply because he accidentally let the baby chew on a Sharpie cap instead of that weirdly omnipresent BPA-free $24 chewy giraffe.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIn case you haven\u2019t heard,\u201d she goes on, \u201cmotherhood is a terrible thankless nightmare or so we\u2019re told. Turn on the TV, open a magazine, surf the web, browse through the bookstore and here\u2019s the message. The wildly popular parenting is worse than a Stephen King story genre\u2014ready to engulf you in its gaping claw.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But that\u2019s the narrative that\u2019s in the culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is. It\u2019s the way a lot of days feel for moms who are raising a pack of youngsters today\u2014but we have a guest, Brooke McGlothlin\u2014who is back with us again on <em>FamilyLifeToday<\/em>. Brooke, welcome back to the broadcast. You believe differently than that; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>I do on some level, I mean\u2014there is a lot of hard stuff in parenting\u2014but I do believe it\u2019s worth so much more than just that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Brooke has written a book called <em>Gospel-Centered Mom<\/em>. She is the founder\u2014co-founder\u2014of Raising Boys Ministry\u2014because she has two. She and her husband, Cory, have been married since 2002. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And she heads up the MOB.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>She does head up the MOB.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob &amp; Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014Mothers of Boys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and if you\u2019re ever caught speeding in the state of Virginia\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014You just tell Officer McGlothlin, \u201cI loved your wife\u2019s book.\u201d That should get you a war\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because he\u2019s still going to be good for two or three years\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014served the state well. Let\u2019s talk about what\u2019s at the heart of where moms get deceived. They start thinking, \u201cIt\u2019s all about me;\u201d don\u2019t they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>They do\u2014and our culture makes it so easy to think that today. Yes, I talk a lot about what I like to call the \u201cMe\u201d gospel. It is an easy way to talk about man-centered theology, but to me it\u2019s an easier way to understand it. The \u201cMe\u201d gospel\u2014as I see it, at its best\u2014is that it\u2019s the good news\u2014I say that\u2014the listeners can\u2019t see me but I\u2019m quoting it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the air quotes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke:<\/strong> Yes, the air quotes\u2014\u201cgood news\u201d\u2014that God is all about meeting <em>my<\/em> needs, <em>my<\/em> wants, and <em>my<\/em> deepest desires. But at its worst it\u2019s really not good news at all\u2014because it\u2019s not the true gospel at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact you say that there are really four narratives that moms keep hearing with this \u201cMe\u201d gospel. The first of those is, \u201cI need rest.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now every mom listening is raising her hand and saying, \u201cWhat is wrong with that? That\u2019s true. That\u2019s a reality. I am more continually exhausted than I am energized, so that\u2019s my reality. I do need rest.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, they do. Everybody does. God made us to rest. He gave us the seventh day. He rested on the seventh day\u2014He models that for us. He tells us, \u201cCome to Me when you need rest and I\u2019ll give it to you.\u201d So\u2014in and of itself there is nothing wrong with rest\u2014or any of the four categories that I talk about\u2014there\u2019s really nothing wrong with those. The problem happens with those when we give them an improper position in our lives\u2014we make them an idol or when we make them a god themselves. Any good thing that God gives us can be turned into something that rules us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>We don\u2019t want to let that happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re a mom with two very active boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are days you need rest; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. When they were little, I took advantage of what I could get. It was very important to me that they had a quiet time every day. When they were little that meant they napped\u2014but it didn\u2019t always mean that. They got to the age when they were beyond a nap\u2014and we still had an hour of quiet time in their rooms. Now it wasn\u2019t always quiet from their perspective, but it was a sanity break for me. I didn\u2019t normally nap during that time, but it was a break from the chaos sometimes of being a mother.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. So when a mom is feeling that \u201cI need rest,\u201d what\u2019s the wrong way to deal with that and what\u2019s the right way to deal with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good question. I think you take advantage of what you have. That will look different for different moms listening today. Not all of you will be stay-at-home moms\u2014I was a stay at home mom for\u2014I\u2019m a work at home mom now, so I\u2019m still at home, but it just looks different. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a working mom\u2014outside of the home\u2014rest for your soul means listening to worship music on the way to work,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tor choosing to listen to your pastor\u2019s sermon from the week before on your way home because you spent too much time wrangling your kids in the church service and you really would like to go back and listen to what he said. There are things you can do to put that into place. Those are some of the right ways to do it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe another right way is to put your kids to bed at a decent hour\u2014is to not be so busy as a family that you can\u2019t have natural rhythms. I say that as a mom whose husband works shift work so natural rhythms for us were difficult. We had to take advantage of it. We still\u2014to this day\u2014have to take advantage of what we can. But you can create\u2014with some work and effort\u2014some natural rhythms to your life that allow you a few minutes at a time to pause and just breathe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s another way moms struggle, not with just needing rest. But they also struggle with watching their children\u2014constantly\u2014press their limits and press obedience back against mom. You said in your book, \u201cYou must obey me\u2014now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well now, wait. Isn\u2019t that what it\u2019s supposed to be? Kids should obey instantly\u2014first time obedience. Isn\u2019t that what you\u2019re going for?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>[Laughter] Of course.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>You know, I think there are some great books out there on teaching your kids obedience. I definitely think that children\u2014God tells children to be obedient to their parents\u2014so I would in no shape or form say that that\u2019s not true\u2014that children don\u2019t need to obey their parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I know myself and I know my loving, forgiving God. I don\u2019t always obey Him on the first time\u2014I don\u2019t. So I want to model for my kids, not a harsh judgmental God, but a God that says, \u201cCome to me. Come to me. You can trust me.\u201d I want them to feel safe enough in my love for them that they find it easy to obey. That\u2019s not always something\u2014you know\u2014it doesn\u2019t happen all the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just look at my own relationship with God and what I see of Him in the Scriptures. I think there\u2019s got to be grace there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes, God does tell children to obey their parents, but not in a harsh, judgmental, \u201cYou must do it the first time with a happy heart.\u201d Because sometimes I obey God\u2014now as a 40-year-old woman\u2014and I\u2019m not happy about it. [Laughter] It\u2019s the truth.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>One of the key insights from <em>The Art Of Parenting<\/em>\u2122 Video Series that we\u2019ve done\u2014something that struck me was when a couple of the contributors talked about the fact that we have to recognize there\u2019s a difference between childish behavior and actual disobedience. Sometimes we are disciplining our kids for being children rather than for willful disobedience. You can tell when a child has been willfully disobedient, stubborn, resistant, and when a child is just being a kid and doing what kids do; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes. But we\u2014I think as adults\u2014we are so demanding of them. I have a degree in psychology and a masters in counseling\u2014I studied a lot of developmental psychology when I was in school. When you really think about what you\u2019re asking of your child,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tif you\u2019ll think about what developmental stage they are in, you might find that you\u2019re asking too much of them at any certain time\u2014and that you just need to pump the brakes a little bit and give them some grace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s another area where moms struggle. That\u2019s with the whole idea \u2013\u201cI need to take care of myself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The \u201cMe\u201d \u2014I need some \u201cMe\u201d time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes. With this category\u2014as with the rest\u2014there\u2019s nothing wrong with having a little bit of time alone\u2014but it\u2019s not your right! We have these expectations that again are not based on the truth of what the Word of God says. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we\u2019ll allow ourselves the opportunity to go and actually find out what it says, we may find that we\u2019ve kind of created a god that doesn\u2019t exist on the pages of Scripture. When we find that\u2014when we realize that\u2014the appropriate change in us is to change direction in accordance with what His word says. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>When Barbara and I were in the thick of raising our six\u2014I\u2019ll never forget reading a statement by C.S. Lewis\u2014he said, \u201cThere are no such things as interruptions. Interruptions are the real life God brings to you day by day.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think if we can begin to realize that sometimes\u2014the very things we view as interrupting our real life\u2014are really where God wants us to pause and stop and connect with the child or take some additional time with the child\u2014and allow him to get our attention in the midst of a flurry of activity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut back to taking care of yourself\u2014you don\u2019t do your children\u2014or your spouse\u2014a favor if you don\u2019t at some point find your pace\u2014find what you can handle. There\u2019s a side of being a parent that\u2014if you\u2019re so conscientious you can\u2019t take any time off from it\u2014you\u2019ve got to be there all the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>You do. You know it is a 24-7 job. It\u2019s not even really something that ends at 18\u2014but\u2026my husband has tried to be very, very good to me in that way\u2014in allowing me\u2014when he comes home and he sees that I am stressed out, he will give me a break.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe will say, \u201cGo to the coffee shop for a couple of hours.\u201d He will say,\u201d Absolutely\u2014Yes\u2014go on that women\u2019s retreat.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know that there are moms listening that may not have those options\u2014especially if you are a single mom\u2014that might not be a great option for you. There might not be some\u2014there literally may not be someone that you trust to leave your kids with\u2014I get that\u2014but there are still ways that you can rest and find ways to take care of yourself without going overboard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. Again the issue here is when you make, \u201cI can take care of myself\u201d bigger than what God has planned for your life. That\u2019s where moms look at the assignment God has given them and they say, \u201cI don\u2019t like it. I resent it. I want a different assignment.\u201d Have you felt that as you raised your boys?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. There have been so many times\u2014I talk about this in the book\u2014there was a point when I had to accept the children that God had given me instead of wishing they were something else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I want to be clear\u2014I didn\u2019t wish for different children\u2014I love my children with everything I have. I would not trade them for the world. But there were lots of times when I found myself praying and wishing that God had made them just a little bit easier to handle\u2014just a little less aggressive\u2014just a little bit\u2014lower on \u201cthose boys\u201d scale. I had to come to a point where I accepted who God gave me and that I was okay with that and recognized that it was all a part of His story in our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s another big idea in your book that I want you to comment on and you talk about. That\u2019s the idea of living out your story, making your journey a part of the message for your children and your generation that you influence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes, it\u2019s so important. I remember when God first opened my eyes to this. I was doing a Bible study on the Old Testament prophets. We were studying Hosea. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were looking at the book of Hosea some\u2014as a part of the bigger picture of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had heard the story of Hosea before. I knew\u2014I grew up in Sunday school\u2014I knew what it was\u2014but for the first time I looked at that and I thought, \u201cWow! God asked him to marry a prostitute!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Good grief! If God asked me to do something like that, would I have said, \u201cYes?\u201d My word! I don\u2019t know. That\u2019s a difficult thing. But as you look at Hosea\u2019s story, we know now being on the other side of it, that it is a picture of God\u2019s heart toward us. It was toward the Israelites\u2014and now toward us as believers. It is a picture of how God comes after us over and over and over again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>That there\u2019s nothing that we can do\u2014as Gomer left Hosea and you know the Scriptures\u2014we\u2019re not even 100% sure that the children they had together were his. There was ample reason for him to leave her and go on his own way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut he stayed\u2014because he recognized that he needed to do what God asked him to do. Now we know that his life was an \u201cin real life\u201d picture to us that helps us understand who God is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI look around and\u2014sometimes moms say well, \u201cI really don\u2019t know why it is important for me to follow God or to live my life the way God wants me to.\u201d My answer to that is\u2014You always have influence over somebody. You may not have influence over millions of people. You may have influence in your home. You may have influence over the women in your Bible study group. Your life touches someone else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s always someone watching you\u2014especially the non-believers\u2014especially the people who have not made that commitment to Christ yet. They are watching you as someone who says that they are a believer in Christ\u2014especially in the hard stories. They are watching to see if the God you say that you serve is really worth serving.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So Brooke\u2014the young wife who is thinking, \u201cI am not sure I\u2019m ready to start a family\u2014I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m ready to strap on what you\u2019ve been talking about.\u201d \u201cI kind of like the rhythm of life today. I\u2019m afraid I would not be a very good mom.\u201d \u201cIf I\u2019m sleepless for a couple of nights, it will not go well for me or for my household.\u201d She\u2019s thinking, \u201cMaybe I\u2019ll grow into this and maybe when I\u2019m 35\u2014that\u2019s the best.\u201d What do you say to a young mom who is wrestling with this dilemma about, \u201cAm I ready for motherhood?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>A part of the Christian journey is being willing to suffer\u2014I don\u2019t really know why. I wish I could look at the Scripture and tell you this is exactly why God does it this way\u2014but what we know from Scripture is that He does. There is fruit that comes from suffering. There is fruit that comes from walking through hard things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible tells us that all of these things\u2014that taking joy in our suffering\u2014which is really hard to do and seems very different from what we want to do when we\u2019re in pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBeing willing to lay down your life for the sake of someone else is so wrapped up in the gospel message. It <em>is<\/em> the gospel message.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>So as we look at\u2014I can say with 100% surety that I have felt that way too. I have felt like,\u201d Can I really do this? Do I really want to give away my freedom for the sake of someone else?\u201d But then I remind myself that that is exactly what Jesus did for me\u2014exactly what Jesus did for me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>So, as someone who says, \u201cI will follow Him,\u201d then I have to be willing to do just that\u2014even if it\u2019s hard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Back to the illustration that you used\u2014somebody is watching.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s easy to succeed\u2014it\u2019s easy to handle success in terms of going with the flow\u2014but when things go south\u2014for instance, you had a miscarriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>We did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are people who are watching, people who are wondering, \u201cHow will Brooke and Cory handle that\u2014 as individuals\u2014but also as a couple?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow did you handle it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>I think at first\u2014I mean, it was hard. Anytime you have a significant\u2014I would love to be able to tell you guys that I was super, super spiritual about it in that I never struggled in my faith and that I never wavered in my belief in God\u2019s goodness to me\u2014but that would not be the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe truth is that I did struggle through that\u2014that it was a painful loss and that while I had lost that baby, a lot of my friends around me were carrying babies, and that I struggled to watch their bellies swell, and I struggled to watch their children come into the world. For a season I struggled to feel related to their children because I knew that I would have had one the same age. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI saw that God was being good to everyone around me and wondered if maybe He had stopped being good to me because it wasn\u2019t just the miscarriage for us. That miscarriage came on the tail end of a season of loss for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had been kind of sucker punched by life for about six years, over and over and over again. That miscarriage was what really put the nail in the coffin for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So how did you come to resolution with those challenges to your faith?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Well, I think it\u2019s important to say that I was honest about it\u2014I struggled. I was honest. I didn\u2019t try to hide it from God. I didn\u2019t try to run away from God. There were times when I yelled at Him. There were times when I questioned Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI tried to pick a few people that I felt like I could be honest with\u2014my husband was one of them. I don\u2019t know if there\u2019s any woman listening now who have had a miscarriage\u2014they will understand that that is sacred space for a woman. I did not just talk about it to any ol\u2019 person. It had to be someone that I highly trusted and I knew would take care of my emotions and my feelings. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had a couple of trusted people outside of my marriage that I felt like I could talk to about it. I just was honest and open about it and told them where I was struggling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey came around me in a season where I really didn\u2019t have the strength to speak the truth to myself\u2014they spoke the truth over me instead. Boy, we all need to pray for friends like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How you handle suffering like that does make you a stronger person. As you were talking I was just thinking about the last chapter of Job, Chapter 42, where Job talks about all of what he had been through. He summarizes it by saying, \u201cYou know, I had heard of you God, but after all I have been through\u201d\u2014now I am paraphrasing by the way\u2014\u201cbut after everything I have been through, I not only hear of You\u2014I now see You.\u201d He\u2019s saying I understand You and because of that, I yield to You.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He says, \u201cI repent.\u201d I think there\u2019s\u2014in our journeys and our story\u2014there\u2019s always an underlying theme of what God is up to in our lives\u2014maybe not giving us what we want, but perhaps giving us something that we need.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat really is what\u2019s at the core of what you\u2019ve written about in your book. I really appreciate all your work on this. Great job on it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke.<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I just want to wrap up with the last paragraph of the article I started today reading, because it was talking about the horrors of motherhood and how challenging it is and why would anybody want this. The writer says, \u201cTake heed terrified would-be parents of America. Parenthood is a gift. Parenthood is a joy. The marvelous far outweighs the so-called horrifying and at least 90% of the horrifying becomes funny over time.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brooke:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Good reminder that our parenting journeys\u2014we need a reorientation that our children are a blessing, that parenting is a privilege and that with God\u2019s help and by his grace, we can raise the next generation to be strong\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014in their relationship with Him and to be contributors to our world. Brooke, I think that\u2019s at the heart of the book you\u2019ve written\u2014<em>Gospel Centered Mom<\/em>. It\u2019s a book we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em>\u00ae Resource Center. You can order a copy of the book from us online at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014at FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or call 1-800-FL-TODAY if you\u2019d like to order. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s really at the heart of the video series that<em> FamilyLife<\/em> has put together on parenting. It\u2019s a video series called <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>. There are lots of churches that forming Art of Parenting groups this fall-special classes or small groups that will be going through the video series. In fact a lot of churches are using our movie <em>Like Arrows<\/em> as a kickoff event to launch their <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups or classes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like more information about how your church or your small group can go through this material, got to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014and the information is available there. If you\u2019d like to go through the material with your husband or wife\u2014just the two of you\u2014it\u2019s available online. You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com for information as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s available for free. Again, go to FamilyLife Today.com and find out more about the online version of the <em>Art of Parenting.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen of course, Dennis\u2014your book\u2014<em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>, which you and Barbara have wrapped up is due in from the publisher anytime. We are making the book available this month to listeners who can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife<\/em> with a donation. This is our fiscal year end\u2014the month of August. We\u2019re trying to make sure we end this year in a healthy financial place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo help with that we have some friends of the ministry who have put together a $500,000 matching gift. So every donation we receive during the month of August is going to be matched dollar-for-dollar up to a total of $500,000. We\u2019re asking you, as a listener, to do whatever you can do this month to help with our financial support and help us take full advantage of that matching gift opportunity. Not only will your donation be doubled, but we will send you a copy of <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em> book from Dennis and Barbara Rainey as soon as it arrives from the publisher\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014as our way of saying, \u201cThank you\u201d for partnering with us in the work of this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, if you are one of our monthly Legacy Partners\u2014you should be getting information about this before long\u2014we\u2019re going to be having a Legacy Partner connect event on Thursday night, September 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Dennis and Barbara Rainey will be joining me along with <em>FamilyLife\u2019s<\/em> President David Robbins and his wife Meg. We\u2019re going to be talking about parenting issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe great thing about the call is we can interact together. We can have some dialogue, take some questions and respond to the issues that you are facing as parents. We are grateful for those of you who are monthly Legacy Partners and we look forward to the opportunity to interact with you. Again\u2014Thursday night, September 6<sup>th<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like to sign up to be on the call, call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. We\u2019ll add your phone number and then we\u2019ll call you when the phone call begins\u20147:00 Central Time on Thursday night the 6<sup>th<\/sup>. We look forward to connecting with you that evening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. Then we hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about what may be the most strategic\u2014the most significant outreach strategy available to us in our homes and in our families in trying to reach our neighbor\u2019s for Christ\u2014we\u2019re going to talk about hospitality. Rosaria Butterfield will be here to help us with that. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you on Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. A Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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