{"id":300328,"date":"2018-08-10T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-08-10T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-worldview-behind-abortion-and-euthanasia\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:30","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:30","slug":"the-worldview-behind-abortion-and-euthanasia","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-worldview-behind-abortion-and-euthanasia\/","title":{"rendered":"The Worldview Behind Abortion and Euthanasia"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Nancy Pearcey, a professor and scholar in residence at Houston Baptist University, reflects on the value of human life. Our culture has a low view of human life and the body, but God created the bod,y and therefore, it is good. 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Here\u2019s Nancy Pearcey.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> If the human being is just a product of blind, random forces \/ if human life is essentially an evolutionary accident, then, eventually that will erode people\u2019s respect for human life. Now, what they will say is: \u201cWell, at some point, it becomes a person. When it becomes a person, then, it has moral standing; then, it has a legal right to protection\u201d; but when is that?\u2014because it\u2019s not rooted in being biologically human. It is a post-Modern concept, and the line is essentially arbitrary\/subjective; and every bioethicist draws the line at a different place.\n\n<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, August 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. What we believe or don\u2019t believe about God will ultimately determine what we believe or don\u2019t believe about almost everything else in life. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I have to tell you\u2014I was talking to our friend, Tonda, who reads all of the books that\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s grinning, by the way.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014all of our guests on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s wondering what you are about to say about her. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> All of our guests\u2014Tonda reads their books, and we talk about them. She puts outlines together and helps us with all of these books. I said, \u201cTell me about Nancy Pearcey\u2019s new book,\u201d because she read it before I did. She said: \u201cI had to go slow, reading through that book. It was not the kind of thing you read at the beach\u201d; right?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It takes some thinking to dive into this book.\n\n<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It does. And Nancy joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Nancy, welcome to the broadcast.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you. It\u2019s good to be here.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s written a book called <em>Love Thy Body: Answering Hard Questions<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s what Tonda was struggling with\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014the hard questions\u2014<em>Hard Questions about Life and Sexuality<\/em>. She is the professor of Apologetics at Houston Baptist University, best-selling author; and Nancy, we\u2019re really glad you\u2019re here.\n\nLet\u2019s talk about the premise behind this book. You actually say, at the beginning, that the issue of sexuality and the value of human life \/ abortion are all wrapped up in one of the major battles of our day. Explain what you mean by that.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> What I mean by that is they all depend on your view of the value of human life. Secular liberalism, which dominates in our world today, has a very <em>low<\/em> view of what it means to be human. It\u2019s expressed in all of these areas\u2014\n\n<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014from abortion, assisted suicide, homosexuality, transgenderism, and many more. If we can get a handle on that underlying worldview, then, we will be much more effective in dealing with these issues.\n\nFrancis Schaeffer used to say, \u201cOne of our problems is we deal with things in bits and pieces.\u201d I always love that phrase; because what he is saying is: \u201cWe\u2019re not going to be effective if we deal with each one of these issues separately. We need to recognize there\u2019s a common, underlying secular worldview.\u201d Once we grasp that, we will find that we have much more social impact, and we can train our children to recognize these issues. We won\u2019t always be on the defensive.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying we need to develop a new view of our bodies. Rather than seeing them as just\u2014I heard a guy, one time, refer to this as \u201cour earth suit\u201d\u2014this is how we get around on planet earth. We\u2019ve got this body that is the carrier for our soul.\n\nYou would say: \u201cIt\u2019s more than just an earth suit. We need to understand God has given us something good with this human body.\u201d\n\n<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; you see, I think we have lost our own heritage to some degree. When I talk to secular audiences, especially, they will sometimes say: \u201cWait a minute! The low view of the body in Western culture does not come from secularism; it comes from Christianity in so far as\u2026\u201d\u2014that is, sometimes, true; I have\u2014one of my grad students said to me, \u201cI was raised always thinking spirit\u2014good \/ body\u2014bad.\u201d That was her way of summarizing her understanding of her Christian upbringing.\n\nWe have, sometimes, <em>lost<\/em> our own heritage; because, when the early church was born, it was born into a culture that also had a low view of the material world and the body, although for different reasons from the current secular worldview. The church faced the same challenge that we\u2019re facing today. The church was born into a culture dominated by philosophies like Platonism and Gnosticism\u2014\n\n<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014you used that word earlier\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014which treated the material world as the place of death, decay, and destruction. Gnosticism even talked about the body as the prison-house of the soul, and the goal of salvation was to escape the body \/ to leave it behind. In fact, Gnosticism even taught there were several levels of spiritual beings; and that it was a low-level deity\u2014 it was an evil god\u2014who had created this world; because, after all, no self-respecting god would get his hands dirty, mucking about with matter. [Laughter]\n\nIn this context, historically, Christianity was nothing short of revolutionary; because what it said was: \u201cNo; it was not some low-level god. It was the supreme God \/ the supreme Deity who had created this world. Therefore, it is intrinsically good,\u201d\u2014as Genesis keeps saying again and again: \u201cAnd God saw that it was good.\u201d\n\n<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\nThen, the greater scandal, even, historically speaking, was the incarnation.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; He didn\u2019t just create the bodies\u2014He inhabited a body\u2014He came in human flesh and gave great dignity to His creation by doing so.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Exactly! It was\u2014like I say, it was a scandal, historically, to say that God, Himself, had actually taken on a physical body. The incarnation is the ultimate affirmation of the human body. Then, when Jesus was executed on a Roman cross, we might say, \u201cHe did escape the prison of His body,\u201d\u2014as Gnosticism taught we should aspire to do\u2014then, what did He do? He came <em>back<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014in a <em>bodily<\/em> resurrection.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> To the Greeks, this was not spiritual progress; it was <em>regress<\/em>. Who would want to come <em>back<\/em> to the body? This was utter foolishness to the Greeks, as Paul puts it in\n\n1 Corinthians.\n\n<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\nThen, at the end of time, God is not going to scrap the material world as if He had made a mistake the first-time around. He\u2019s going to restore it and renew it\u2014create a new heaven and a new earth\u2014and you and I will live on that new earth in restored bodies. From the beginning, the Apostles\u2019 Creed affirms the resurrection of the body. This is an astonishingly high view of the physical world. There is nothing like it in any other religion or philosophy. This is what we need to help our young people understand\u2014is that we have a <em>very high view<\/em> of the physical world.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to go to the issue of abortion, for a moment, and just talk about how a person, who doesn\u2019t have a Christian worldview, views abortion. How do they think about it?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, I have a quote from a feminist journalist that starts off my chapter on abortion\u2014she says, \u201cI was always firmly pro-choice until I became pregnant with my own daughter.\u201d\n\n<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\nShe said, \u201cI had no doubt that my daughter was human from conception \/ from Day 1.\u201d She said, \u201cI went through several months of struggling.\u201d Then, she said, \u201cI decided I\u2019m going back to being firmly pro-choice.\u201d\n\nWhat was her reasoning? She said, \u201cIt\u2019s true that the fetus is human and is life from conception, but women will lose too much if we lose the right to control our reproduction.\u201d So, she concludes, saying, \u201cYes; it\u2019s killing, but it\u2019s a lesser evil.\u201d And the final sentence is very chilling\u2014her final sentence is: \u201cTo protect women\u2019s rights, we must be prepared to kill.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That\u2019s where the debate is these days. A lot of people are still arguing on abortion by saying, \u201cOh, but the fetus is human,\u201d as if, once you recognize it\u2019s human, you will realize abortion is wrong. That\u2019s not where the debate is anymore.\n\n<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s what you said in the book. I was surprised by that. You said, \u201cThat\u2019s not where the action is today.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Right; among the professional bioethicist, there is just no doubt. It\u2019s pretty much unanimous that human life begins at conception; but now, what you see in that example is that it has filtered down to journalists and other thought leaders, who are now saying, \u201cYes, we\u2019ll acknowledge the fetus is human; and still, we are going to argue that it\u2019s okay to kill.\u201d\n\nIt\u2019s back to your view of origins. If the human being is just a product of blind, random forces, then, eventually, that will erode people\u2019s respect for human life. Now, what they will say is: \u201cWell, at some point, it becomes a person. When it becomes a person, then, it has moral standing. Then, it has a legal right to protection\u201d; but when is that?\u2014because it\u2019s not rooted in anything biological. It becomes a purely post-Modern concept, and no one can decide where to draw the line.\n\n<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\nIf you read bioethicists, many of them are now starting to argue that the fetus does not become a person until after birth. The famous scientists, who discovered the double-helix structure of DNA, Crick and Watson\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014they have <em>both<\/em> argued that we should allow three days of genetic testing before deciding that the newborn is a <em>person<\/em> with a right to life. The rationale being that some genetic defects don\u2019t show up until after birth, so parents should have a right to wait until <em>after<\/em> birth to decide whether their baby is up to snuff and they want to keep him.\n\nThe ethicist, Peter Singer, who is at Princeton, has actually said, \u201cPersonhood remains a grey area, even at three years of age.\u201d Because it\u2019s not rooted in being biologically human\u2014it is a post-Modern concept\u2014and the line is essentially arbitrary\/subjective\u2014\n\n<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014and every bioethicist draws a line at a different place.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The thing that is striking for me is that we can look back at the sin of racism; and we can see that, in racism, there was a <em>depersonalization<\/em> of human beings. Think back to our own Constitution that said, \u201cThe voting of certain people is three-fifths of others.\u201d We were <em>depersonalizing<\/em> them in the process.\n\nWhere we are with abortion, we\u2019re applying the same logic that we\u2019ve looked at with racism and said, \u201cThis is inherently wrong,\u201d but now, we say, \u201cWith babies, it makes sense.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> In fact, since we quoted Peter Singer a moment ago\u2014he\u2019s at Princeton\u2014he says\u2014now, remember he is a convinced evolutionist; he argues for Darwinism. His conclusion is: \u201cIf we are products of evolution, then we are no more special than any other life form. If you think humans are special in any way, you are guilty of the sin of speciesism, which is akin to racism.\u201d\n\n<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\nYou know, if racism means your race is superior, or sexism\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014you think your sex is superior\u2014speciesism means you think your species is superior. For a non-Christian, like Peter Singer, it\u2019s not only that humans don\u2019t have any special value; but if you think they do, you\u2019re guilty of the sin of speciesism.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is so eye-opening on so many fronts. You not only apply this, at the beginning of life, but you also apply this value system to the <em>end<\/em> of life. Explain how this is showing up through euthanasia in various countries around the world.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, think of the most well-known euthanasia case in recent history. Most people still remember Terri Schiavo. She was a young woman, who had brain damage.\n\n<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\nHer <em>family<\/em> was happy to care for her, but her husband wanted her food and water discontinued, which, of course, would cause her death. The interesting thing is the media presented it as a right to die issue; but Terri was <em>not<\/em> dying. She was <em>not<\/em> terminally ill, so that was not what was at stake.\n\nIt was a TV program, where a bioethicist from the University of Florida was asked, \u201cDo you think Terri is a <em>person<\/em>?\u201d He said: \u201cNo; I do not. I think self-awareness is an essential criterion for personhood.\u201d <em>That<\/em> was really the heart of the debate. If a person is no longer cognitively\u2014has a certain arbitrary level of cognitive functioning\u2014then, they no longer qualify as a person. Their treatment can be discontinued; their food and water can be ended; their organs can be harvested; and so on.\n\nEuthanasia is promoted in the name of compassion, but this is <em>not<\/em> compassionate.\n\n<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\nThis is <em>exclusive<\/em>. What it is saying is: \u201cSome people don\u2019t make the cut!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u201cThey don\u2019t qualify for human rights.\u201d\n\nThe pro-life view, by contrast, is inclusive\u2014it says: \u201cIf you are a member of the human race, you\u2019re in\u2014you count. Every human is a <em>person<\/em> and has the full rights of personhood and legal protection.\u201d Their view is exclusive; our view is actually the one that\u2019s <em>inclusive<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wasn\u2019t it the governor of Colorado \/ the former governor of Colorado, who said: \u201cOlder people have a responsibility to die,\u201d\u2014that we have a responsibility to give up our personhood and our lives so that younger, more viable, more human people can exist?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; in fact, in Holland, now, there are euthanasia vans. There are mobile vans that, if your doctor has moral objections to giving you an injection to end your life, then, you can call this van; and they will come around and offer you this service.\n\n<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s becoming quite an interesting culture, because Canada recently passed a law. They are now outlawing euthanasia tourists, where you can\u2019t travel to Canada and be a tourist\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to die there?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to die there. They are not willing to recognize your right.\n\nAll of this goes back to a meeting at Harvard\u2014I\u2019d never heard this before\u2014in 1968, of 13 doctors, who got together and who really determined who was a person and who wasn\u2019t; and who had the right to die at that point.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s when the term, \u201cpersonhood,\u201d was actually <em>formed<\/em>. Ironically, from the beginning\u2014again, it has <em>nothing<\/em> to do with biology\u2014it was purely a philosophical concept, from the beginning.\n\nWe tend to think that, surely, people decide death by something physical\u2014by: you stop breathing; your heart stops; your brain waves stop\u2014but apparently, according to a science journalist, whose name is Dick Tracy, who wrote a whole book on this\u2014\n\n<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014he said, \u201cThe actual guidelines for determining death are not widely known and not very clear.\u201d What it ends up, in practice, being\u2014you are no longer a person when the attending physician decides you are no longer a person.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow. Nancy, when you were a teenager or into your early 20s, you didn\u2019t think like this; did you? You grew up in a culture, where you thought very differently about issues of life. You were a pro-choice feminist, early on, in life; right?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were a hippie; is that right?\u2014or you felt comfortable with the hippies? [Laughter] I\u2019m just trying to picture it, Nancy. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to see some photographic evidence.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; I do too.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly what I was thinking\u2014some old, tie-dyed pictures. Have you got some of those?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, go on Facebook. [Laughter] I was raised in a Lutheran home\u2014Scandinavian Lutheran, so we\u2019re very ethnic Lutheran.\n\n<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\nI started asking questions when I was in high school. I started\u2014I mean, I was attending a public high school. All my teachers were secular; all my textbooks were secular. In fact, all my friends were secular. I just started asking, \u201cHow do we know that this is true?\u2014that Christianity is true?\u201d\n\nUnfortunately, apologetics was not very widely known back then; so I couldn\u2019t get any good answers. I asked a Christian college professor, \u201cWhy are you a Christian?\u201d He said, \u201cWorks for me!\u201d I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s it?!\u201d Then, I had a chance to talk to a Christian seminary dean; and I thought I would get something of greater substance from him. All he said was: \u201cDon\u2019t worry. We all have doubts sometimes.\u201d\n\nI eventually decided that Christianity had no answers; and that if you don\u2019t have good reasons for something, you shouldn\u2019t say you believe it\u2014whether it\u2019s Christianity or anything else\u2014\n\n<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014so I, very intentionally, set aside my Christian upbringing about halfway through high school and started on a search for truth. This is how I got into philosophy to start with\u2014it was not some academic interest. I literally started walking down the hallway, at the public high school I attended, and pulling books off the philosophy shelf; because I thought: \u201cWhere else do people talk about these things? What is truth? How do we know it?\u201d and \u201cWhat\u2019s the meaning of life?\u201d\n\nIt was a variety of these questions\u2014going one by one, working them through, and seeing that Christianity actually did have a better answer for all of these questions.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There had to be a point, though, when somebody said, \u201cAre you a Christian?\u201d and you said, \u201cI guess I am!\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, I had a moment; yes\u2014but at that point, it was just: \u201cAre the accumulated arguments and evidence <em>enough<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cthat I could say, \u2018I\u2019m convinced\u2019?\u201d because, you know, you could search the rest of your life.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Obviously, it\u2019s going to be a never-ending quest.\n\n<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\nYou have to come to a moment of honesty, where you say, \u201cBut have I studied enough that I am convinced?\u201d That was the moment when I said, \u201cYes; I realize I am convinced!\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy needs to hear your quote at this point.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was just thinking that, Bob. When I was a college junior at the University of Arkansas, my pastor brought an African American speaker by the name of Tom Skinner to speak at the University of Arkansas. This was unheard of \/ this was <em>radical<\/em>\u2014and this was in the midst of the hippies, by the way. He started and ended each of five messages with this quote, and it hit me right between the spiritual eyes; okay?\n\nHere it is: \u201cI spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts. When suddenly I realized I better come to grips with what I believe. I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape, and it\u2019s a great relief.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I like that.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Nancy, I\u2019m glad God chased you down and has taken your very bright mind\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and clear pen to be able to write these great thoughts in a book like <em>Love Thy Body<\/em>. You\u2019re needed in the body of Christ today for being a fresh voice of apologetics for the truth of Scripture. I\u2019m glad you made the trip from Houston all the way to Little Rock. Thanks for joining us, and hope you\u2019ll come back and visit us sometime.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thanks so much for having me.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, of course, we hope our listeners will get a copy of your book, which is called <em>Love Thy Body: Answering Hard Questions about Life and Sexuality<\/em>. This is a great book for high school \/ college students to go through. It\u2019s a great book for moms and dads to go through because, as you\u2019ve said, what you believe about God \/ what we believe about creation\u2014what our worldview is\u2014\n\n<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014is going to determine where we land on issues, like homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, transgenderism, the hookup culture. All of that flows out of our view of God.\n\nWe\u2019ve got copies of Nancy\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s a book you can order, online. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to place your order. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; but if you\u2019re driving \/ if it\u2019s easier to just call, call 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d\u2014I assume it is hands-free calling. I don\u2019t want you to break the law to call and order a copy of Nancy\u2019s book; okay?\n\nSpeaking of hands-free calling and listening, <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is now able to be heard on the Amazon-based smart speakers. If you would like to listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on that device, you need to go into your app that starts with that person\u2019s name; and you need to set it up.\n\n<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\nJust type in \u201cFAMILYLIFE\u201d as one word; and it will enable <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to be heard regularly. All you have to then is say the device\u2019s name and say, \u201cPlay <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>,\u201d and you\u2019ll be able to hear our program on your smart speaker.\n\nWe are working to expand the platforms \/ make it easier for people, all around the world, to listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You make that possible as you support this ministry. Thanks to those of you who are regular Legacy Partners and those of you who will make a donation, from time to time.\n\nIf you\u2019ve <em>thought<\/em> about supporting <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>in some way, and you\u2019ve never done so, this would be a great opportunity; because this month, we have a half-million dollar matching-gift opportunity that we\u2019re trying to take full advantage of. Every donation we receive in the month of August is being matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $500,000.\n\n<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\nSo, if you make a $50 donation today, that becomes a $100 benefit to us; and we\u2019re asking <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to help us take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity.\n\nYou can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. When you make a donation, we\u2019re going to send you, as a thank-you gift, a brand-new copy of Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s brand-new book, which is titled <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>. As soon as the book arrives from the publisher, you will be on the list to get your copy sent immediately to you. You can keep it for yourself; or if you want to pass it on to your kids or someone you know in your church, obviously, you can do that as well. Again, it\u2019s our \u201cThank you,\u201d for your support of this ministry when you make a donation today, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d to donate.\n\nAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend.\n\n<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\nAnd I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about what happens in a marriage relationship when a husband is addicted to pornography \/ when that blossoms into adultery. Can that marriage be saved? What does that husband need to do? How can he deal with the sexual sin in his life? Jonathan Doherty is going to be with us to talk about his own experience with this. I hope you can tune in as well.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> of Little Rock, Arkansas;\n\nA Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\n\nCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2018 FamilyLife. 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Pearcey reflects on the value of human life. Pearcey explains how the culture's worldview has influenced our thinking on abortion and euthanasia.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-08-10.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What you believe about God and what you believe about creation is ultimately going to determine what you believe about yourself and about your physical body. Here\u2019s Nancy Pearcey.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> If the human being is just a product of blind, random forces \/ if human life is essentially an evolutionary accident, then, eventually that will erode people\u2019s respect for human life. Now, what they will say is: \u201cWell, at some point, it becomes a person. When it becomes a person, then, it has moral standing; then, it has a legal right to protection\u201d; but when is that?\u2014because it\u2019s not rooted in being biologically human. It is a post-Modern concept, and the line is essentially arbitrary\/subjective; and every bioethicist draws the line at a different place.\n\n<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, August 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. What we believe or don\u2019t believe about God will ultimately determine what we believe or don\u2019t believe about almost everything else in life. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I have to tell you\u2014I was talking to our friend, Tonda, who reads all of the books that\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s grinning, by the way.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014all of our guests on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s wondering what you are about to say about her. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> All of our guests\u2014Tonda reads their books, and we talk about them. She puts outlines together and helps us with all of these books. I said, \u201cTell me about Nancy Pearcey\u2019s new book,\u201d because she read it before I did. She said: \u201cI had to go slow, reading through that book. It was not the kind of thing you read at the beach\u201d; right?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It takes some thinking to dive into this book.\n\n<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It does. And Nancy joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Nancy, welcome to the broadcast.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you. It\u2019s good to be here.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s written a book called <em>Love Thy Body: Answering Hard Questions<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s what Tonda was struggling with\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014the hard questions\u2014<em>Hard Questions about Life and Sexuality<\/em>. She is the professor of Apologetics at Houston Baptist University, best-selling author; and Nancy, we\u2019re really glad you\u2019re here.\n\nLet\u2019s talk about the premise behind this book. You actually say, at the beginning, that the issue of sexuality and the value of human life \/ abortion are all wrapped up in one of the major battles of our day. Explain what you mean by that.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> What I mean by that is they all depend on your view of the value of human life. Secular liberalism, which dominates in our world today, has a very <em>low<\/em> view of what it means to be human. It\u2019s expressed in all of these areas\u2014\n\n<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014from abortion, assisted suicide, homosexuality, transgenderism, and many more. If we can get a handle on that underlying worldview, then, we will be much more effective in dealing with these issues.\n\nFrancis Schaeffer used to say, \u201cOne of our problems is we deal with things in bits and pieces.\u201d I always love that phrase; because what he is saying is: \u201cWe\u2019re not going to be effective if we deal with each one of these issues separately. We need to recognize there\u2019s a common, underlying secular worldview.\u201d Once we grasp that, we will find that we have much more social impact, and we can train our children to recognize these issues. We won\u2019t always be on the defensive.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying we need to develop a new view of our bodies. Rather than seeing them as just\u2014I heard a guy, one time, refer to this as \u201cour earth suit\u201d\u2014this is how we get around on planet earth. We\u2019ve got this body that is the carrier for our soul.\n\nYou would say: \u201cIt\u2019s more than just an earth suit. We need to understand God has given us something good with this human body.\u201d\n\n<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; you see, I think we have lost our own heritage to some degree. When I talk to secular audiences, especially, they will sometimes say: \u201cWait a minute! The low view of the body in Western culture does not come from secularism; it comes from Christianity in so far as\u2026\u201d\u2014that is, sometimes, true; I have\u2014one of my grad students said to me, \u201cI was raised always thinking spirit\u2014good \/ body\u2014bad.\u201d That was her way of summarizing her understanding of her Christian upbringing.\n\nWe have, sometimes, <em>lost<\/em> our own heritage; because, when the early church was born, it was born into a culture that also had a low view of the material world and the body, although for different reasons from the current secular worldview. The church faced the same challenge that we\u2019re facing today. The church was born into a culture dominated by philosophies like Platonism and Gnosticism\u2014\n\n<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014you used that word earlier\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014which treated the material world as the place of death, decay, and destruction. Gnosticism even talked about the body as the prison-house of the soul, and the goal of salvation was to escape the body \/ to leave it behind. In fact, Gnosticism even taught there were several levels of spiritual beings; and that it was a low-level deity\u2014 it was an evil god\u2014who had created this world; because, after all, no self-respecting god would get his hands dirty, mucking about with matter. [Laughter]\n\nIn this context, historically, Christianity was nothing short of revolutionary; because what it said was: \u201cNo; it was not some low-level god. It was the supreme God \/ the supreme Deity who had created this world. Therefore, it is intrinsically good,\u201d\u2014as Genesis keeps saying again and again: \u201cAnd God saw that it was good.\u201d\n\n<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\nThen, the greater scandal, even, historically speaking, was the incarnation.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; He didn\u2019t just create the bodies\u2014He inhabited a body\u2014He came in human flesh and gave great dignity to His creation by doing so.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Exactly! It was\u2014like I say, it was a scandal, historically, to say that God, Himself, had actually taken on a physical body. The incarnation is the ultimate affirmation of the human body. Then, when Jesus was executed on a Roman cross, we might say, \u201cHe did escape the prison of His body,\u201d\u2014as Gnosticism taught we should aspire to do\u2014then, what did He do? He came <em>back<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014in a <em>bodily<\/em> resurrection.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> To the Greeks, this was not spiritual progress; it was <em>regress<\/em>. Who would want to come <em>back<\/em> to the body? This was utter foolishness to the Greeks, as Paul puts it in\n\n1 Corinthians.\n\n<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\nThen, at the end of time, God is not going to scrap the material world as if He had made a mistake the first-time around. He\u2019s going to restore it and renew it\u2014create a new heaven and a new earth\u2014and you and I will live on that new earth in restored bodies. From the beginning, the Apostles\u2019 Creed affirms the resurrection of the body. This is an astonishingly high view of the physical world. There is nothing like it in any other religion or philosophy. This is what we need to help our young people understand\u2014is that we have a <em>very high view<\/em> of the physical world.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to go to the issue of abortion, for a moment, and just talk about how a person, who doesn\u2019t have a Christian worldview, views abortion. How do they think about it?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, I have a quote from a feminist journalist that starts off my chapter on abortion\u2014she says, \u201cI was always firmly pro-choice until I became pregnant with my own daughter.\u201d\n\n<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\nShe said, \u201cI had no doubt that my daughter was human from conception \/ from Day 1.\u201d She said, \u201cI went through several months of struggling.\u201d Then, she said, \u201cI decided I\u2019m going back to being firmly pro-choice.\u201d\n\nWhat was her reasoning? She said, \u201cIt\u2019s true that the fetus is human and is life from conception, but women will lose too much if we lose the right to control our reproduction.\u201d So, she concludes, saying, \u201cYes; it\u2019s killing, but it\u2019s a lesser evil.\u201d And the final sentence is very chilling\u2014her final sentence is: \u201cTo protect women\u2019s rights, we must be prepared to kill.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That\u2019s where the debate is these days. A lot of people are still arguing on abortion by saying, \u201cOh, but the fetus is human,\u201d as if, once you recognize it\u2019s human, you will realize abortion is wrong. That\u2019s not where the debate is anymore.\n\n<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s what you said in the book. I was surprised by that. You said, \u201cThat\u2019s not where the action is today.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Right; among the professional bioethicist, there is just no doubt. It\u2019s pretty much unanimous that human life begins at conception; but now, what you see in that example is that it has filtered down to journalists and other thought leaders, who are now saying, \u201cYes, we\u2019ll acknowledge the fetus is human; and still, we are going to argue that it\u2019s okay to kill.\u201d\n\nIt\u2019s back to your view of origins. If the human being is just a product of blind, random forces, then, eventually, that will erode people\u2019s respect for human life. Now, what they will say is: \u201cWell, at some point, it becomes a person. When it becomes a person, then, it has moral standing. Then, it has a legal right to protection\u201d; but when is that?\u2014because it\u2019s not rooted in anything biological. It becomes a purely post-Modern concept, and no one can decide where to draw the line.\n\n<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\nIf you read bioethicists, many of them are now starting to argue that the fetus does not become a person until after birth. The famous scientists, who discovered the double-helix structure of DNA, Crick and Watson\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014they have <em>both<\/em> argued that we should allow three days of genetic testing before deciding that the newborn is a <em>person<\/em> with a right to life. The rationale being that some genetic defects don\u2019t show up until after birth, so parents should have a right to wait until <em>after<\/em> birth to decide whether their baby is up to snuff and they want to keep him.\n\nThe ethicist, Peter Singer, who is at Princeton, has actually said, \u201cPersonhood remains a grey area, even at three years of age.\u201d Because it\u2019s not rooted in being biologically human\u2014it is a post-Modern concept\u2014and the line is essentially arbitrary\/subjective\u2014\n\n<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014and every bioethicist draws a line at a different place.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The thing that is striking for me is that we can look back at the sin of racism; and we can see that, in racism, there was a <em>depersonalization<\/em> of human beings. Think back to our own Constitution that said, \u201cThe voting of certain people is three-fifths of others.\u201d We were <em>depersonalizing<\/em> them in the process.\n\nWhere we are with abortion, we\u2019re applying the same logic that we\u2019ve looked at with racism and said, \u201cThis is inherently wrong,\u201d but now, we say, \u201cWith babies, it makes sense.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> In fact, since we quoted Peter Singer a moment ago\u2014he\u2019s at Princeton\u2014he says\u2014now, remember he is a convinced evolutionist; he argues for Darwinism. His conclusion is: \u201cIf we are products of evolution, then we are no more special than any other life form. If you think humans are special in any way, you are guilty of the sin of speciesism, which is akin to racism.\u201d\n\n<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\nYou know, if racism means your race is superior, or sexism\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014you think your sex is superior\u2014speciesism means you think your species is superior. For a non-Christian, like Peter Singer, it\u2019s not only that humans don\u2019t have any special value; but if you think they do, you\u2019re guilty of the sin of speciesism.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is so eye-opening on so many fronts. You not only apply this, at the beginning of life, but you also apply this value system to the <em>end<\/em> of life. Explain how this is showing up through euthanasia in various countries around the world.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, think of the most well-known euthanasia case in recent history. Most people still remember Terri Schiavo. She was a young woman, who had brain damage.\n\n<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\nHer <em>family<\/em> was happy to care for her, but her husband wanted her food and water discontinued, which, of course, would cause her death. The interesting thing is the media presented it as a right to die issue; but Terri was <em>not<\/em> dying. She was <em>not<\/em> terminally ill, so that was not what was at stake.\n\nIt was a TV program, where a bioethicist from the University of Florida was asked, \u201cDo you think Terri is a <em>person<\/em>?\u201d He said: \u201cNo; I do not. I think self-awareness is an essential criterion for personhood.\u201d <em>That<\/em> was really the heart of the debate. If a person is no longer cognitively\u2014has a certain arbitrary level of cognitive functioning\u2014then, they no longer qualify as a person. Their treatment can be discontinued; their food and water can be ended; their organs can be harvested; and so on.\n\nEuthanasia is promoted in the name of compassion, but this is <em>not<\/em> compassionate.\n\n<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\nThis is <em>exclusive<\/em>. What it is saying is: \u201cSome people don\u2019t make the cut!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u201cThey don\u2019t qualify for human rights.\u201d\n\nThe pro-life view, by contrast, is inclusive\u2014it says: \u201cIf you are a member of the human race, you\u2019re in\u2014you count. Every human is a <em>person<\/em> and has the full rights of personhood and legal protection.\u201d Their view is exclusive; our view is actually the one that\u2019s <em>inclusive<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wasn\u2019t it the governor of Colorado \/ the former governor of Colorado, who said: \u201cOlder people have a responsibility to die,\u201d\u2014that we have a responsibility to give up our personhood and our lives so that younger, more viable, more human people can exist?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; in fact, in Holland, now, there are euthanasia vans. There are mobile vans that, if your doctor has moral objections to giving you an injection to end your life, then, you can call this van; and they will come around and offer you this service.\n\n<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s becoming quite an interesting culture, because Canada recently passed a law. They are now outlawing euthanasia tourists, where you can\u2019t travel to Canada and be a tourist\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to die there?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to die there. They are not willing to recognize your right.\n\nAll of this goes back to a meeting at Harvard\u2014I\u2019d never heard this before\u2014in 1968, of 13 doctors, who got together and who really determined who was a person and who wasn\u2019t; and who had the right to die at that point.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s when the term, \u201cpersonhood,\u201d was actually <em>formed<\/em>. Ironically, from the beginning\u2014again, it has <em>nothing<\/em> to do with biology\u2014it was purely a philosophical concept, from the beginning.\n\nWe tend to think that, surely, people decide death by something physical\u2014by: you stop breathing; your heart stops; your brain waves stop\u2014but apparently, according to a science journalist, whose name is Dick Tracy, who wrote a whole book on this\u2014\n\n<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014he said, \u201cThe actual guidelines for determining death are not widely known and not very clear.\u201d What it ends up, in practice, being\u2014you are no longer a person when the attending physician decides you are no longer a person.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow. Nancy, when you were a teenager or into your early 20s, you didn\u2019t think like this; did you? You grew up in a culture, where you thought very differently about issues of life. You were a pro-choice feminist, early on, in life; right?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were a hippie; is that right?\u2014or you felt comfortable with the hippies? [Laughter] I\u2019m just trying to picture it, Nancy. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to see some photographic evidence.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; I do too.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly what I was thinking\u2014some old, tie-dyed pictures. Have you got some of those?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, go on Facebook. [Laughter] I was raised in a Lutheran home\u2014Scandinavian Lutheran, so we\u2019re very ethnic Lutheran.\n\n<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\nI started asking questions when I was in high school. I started\u2014I mean, I was attending a public high school. All my teachers were secular; all my textbooks were secular. In fact, all my friends were secular. I just started asking, \u201cHow do we know that this is true?\u2014that Christianity is true?\u201d\n\nUnfortunately, apologetics was not very widely known back then; so I couldn\u2019t get any good answers. I asked a Christian college professor, \u201cWhy are you a Christian?\u201d He said, \u201cWorks for me!\u201d I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s it?!\u201d Then, I had a chance to talk to a Christian seminary dean; and I thought I would get something of greater substance from him. All he said was: \u201cDon\u2019t worry. We all have doubts sometimes.\u201d\n\nI eventually decided that Christianity had no answers; and that if you don\u2019t have good reasons for something, you shouldn\u2019t say you believe it\u2014whether it\u2019s Christianity or anything else\u2014\n\n<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014so I, very intentionally, set aside my Christian upbringing about halfway through high school and started on a search for truth. This is how I got into philosophy to start with\u2014it was not some academic interest. I literally started walking down the hallway, at the public high school I attended, and pulling books off the philosophy shelf; because I thought: \u201cWhere else do people talk about these things? What is truth? How do we know it?\u201d and \u201cWhat\u2019s the meaning of life?\u201d\n\nIt was a variety of these questions\u2014going one by one, working them through, and seeing that Christianity actually did have a better answer for all of these questions.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There had to be a point, though, when somebody said, \u201cAre you a Christian?\u201d and you said, \u201cI guess I am!\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, I had a moment; yes\u2014but at that point, it was just: \u201cAre the accumulated arguments and evidence <em>enough<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cthat I could say, \u2018I\u2019m convinced\u2019?\u201d because, you know, you could search the rest of your life.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Obviously, it\u2019s going to be a never-ending quest.\n\n<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\nYou have to come to a moment of honesty, where you say, \u201cBut have I studied enough that I am convinced?\u201d That was the moment when I said, \u201cYes; I realize I am convinced!\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy needs to hear your quote at this point.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was just thinking that, Bob. When I was a college junior at the University of Arkansas, my pastor brought an African American speaker by the name of Tom Skinner to speak at the University of Arkansas. This was unheard of \/ this was <em>radical<\/em>\u2014and this was in the midst of the hippies, by the way. He started and ended each of five messages with this quote, and it hit me right between the spiritual eyes; okay?\n\nHere it is: \u201cI spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts. When suddenly I realized I better come to grips with what I believe. I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape, and it\u2019s a great relief.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I like that.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Nancy, I\u2019m glad God chased you down and has taken your very bright mind\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and clear pen to be able to write these great thoughts in a book like <em>Love Thy Body<\/em>. You\u2019re needed in the body of Christ today for being a fresh voice of apologetics for the truth of Scripture. I\u2019m glad you made the trip from Houston all the way to Little Rock. Thanks for joining us, and hope you\u2019ll come back and visit us sometime.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thanks so much for having me.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, of course, we hope our listeners will get a copy of your book, which is called <em>Love Thy Body: Answering Hard Questions about Life and Sexuality<\/em>. This is a great book for high school \/ college students to go through. It\u2019s a great book for moms and dads to go through because, as you\u2019ve said, what you believe about God \/ what we believe about creation\u2014what our worldview is\u2014\n\n<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014is going to determine where we land on issues, like homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, transgenderism, the hookup culture. All of that flows out of our view of God.\n\nWe\u2019ve got copies of Nancy\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s a book you can order, online. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to place your order. 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