{"id":300193,"date":"2018-03-28T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-03-28T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/talking-to-kids-about-gender-identity\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:22","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:22","slug":"talking-to-kids-about-gender-identity","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/talking-to-kids-about-gender-identity\/","title":{"rendered":"Talking to Kids about Gender Identity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Andrew Walker | Series: God and the Transgender Debate | Your children are asking &#8220;Who am I?&#8221; Andrew Walker, author of &#8220;God and the Transgender Debate,&#8221; helps parents explain what it means to be made in the image of God. Walker shares how he&#8217;s talked to his own children about gender by affirming their masculinity or femininity, which is a gift from God. 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We posed that question to Andrew Walker.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> There\u2019s a range of opinions on what parents should do for their kids\u2019 schooling. But what I\u2019m going to say is this\u2014if your kid is in public school, we are fast approaching a day where the very best thing a Christian parent can hope for in a public-school setting is that a teacher will not be actively hostile to that child\u2019s view. Because it\u2019s growing increasingly unlikely that that teacher can be affirming or supporting of your child\u2019s view. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, March 28<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. We are living in a brave new world in many ways. How do we, as Christian parents, raise our children to live counter culturally in this world? We\u2019ll explore that today with Andrew Walker. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. When we were raising our children, I remember the big question that parents would have is: \u201cWhen do you talk to your kids about the birds and the bees?\u201d and \u201cWhat do you do if your kids come home and they start asking questions about human reproduction before you\u2019re ready to have that conversation?\u201d Well, that almost seems laughable today; because the questions kids are coming home with in the second and third grade are less about the birds and the bees and more about basic gender issues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, I just want to unashamedly give an advertisement for <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae <\/sup>and also <em>Passport2Identity<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>\u2014two tools that FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has produced for a mom and her daughter \/ a father and his son to take a weekend and to talk about the birds and the bees between the ages of 10 and 12 \/ 10 and 13. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, when you get a child 14\/15\/16, talk about this issue of identity; because your teenager today will struggle with identity issues. Peer pressure is powerful\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014powerful for good but also powerful for not so good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and not just gender identity. I mean, what 15-year-old isn\u2019t asking the question: \u201cWho am I?\u201d \u201cWhat am I good at?\u201d \u201cHow do I get people to like me?\u201d \u201cWhere do I fit in this world?\u201d There are all kinds of identity issues. Gender is one aspect of that, but <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> gets into the variety of gender issues: \u201cWhat about your spiritual identity? What about your personality and who God made you to be there?\u201d and \u201cHow do you use those things for kingdom purposes?\u201d I\u2019ll just mention\u2014if our listeners would like more information about either <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> or <em>Passport2Identity<\/em>, they can go to our website, FamilyLIfeToday.com, and all the information is there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to use that as a springboard to talk about \u201cHow do you prepare your children today to face the issue of transgender in school as they grow up?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause they will experience this\u2014not just in high school and junior high\u2014but at earlier and earlier years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAndrew Walker joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Andrew, thanks for coming back on a very thorny subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> It\u2019s great to be here. Thanks for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Andrew has written a book called <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. I didn\u2019t ask you on the first day, but why in the world did you tackle this subject? I mean, you\u2019ve got a seven-year-old daughter and a three-year-old daughter. Why did you take this one on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Well, first off, because there\u2019s virtually no other resource available for lay Christians\u2014the Christians in the pews\u2014who can grapple with the transgender issue in a clear, accessible\u2014and I would say\u2014deeply biblical way to handle and address the issue. I would say, also, as well, I\u2019m really, really interested in these issues of\u2014it\u2019s a big theological term called Theological Anthropology\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it\u2019s a big fancy word\u2014but anthropology is simply the study of: \u201cWhat does it mean to be made in God\u2019s image?\u201d It\u2019s kind of a doctrine of man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think a lot of the challenges that we\u2019re facing in the church today are these issues around what it means to be a human. You look at issues of racism and abortion\u2014reproductive technology issues. All of these questions are emanating back to the central question of: \u201cWho is man?\u201d \u201cWho made man?\u201d \u201cWho is man accountable to?\u201d When you look at the transgender issue, there is no issue more foundational to the question of \u201cWhat is man?\u201d and \u201cWhat is woman?\u201d than the transgender issue; because the transgender issue is seeking to kind of subvert and overturn a biblical ethic on biological sex and where gender comes from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Andrew\u2014my wife Barbara and I are working on a book called <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the fundamental principles or precepts of that book is that parents have to know what they believe the Bible teaches, increasingly around these issues, as we confront the culture. Because, if you\u2019re going to guide your child\u2014into elementary school, into junior high, high school, and beyond\u2014to adulthood, you need to know where you stand, as a follower of Christ, and what you believe. That doesn\u2019t mean you have to be a theological anthropologist\u2014[Laughter]\u2014like you just described\u2014but it does mean you have to have a construct,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014theologically, of what the Bible teaches around the major moral issues of our day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> You are certainly right, because we are fast living in a day in America where America is kind of no longer propping up a Christian ethic on many issues at all. And unless Christians\u2014and parents especially\u2014are attentive to these issues, the culture will do the formation and the teaching for you. It\u2019s really, really incumbent on parents to have to do some homework on these issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that\u2019s where this is particularly challenging\u2014is because I grew up \/ I\u2019m 32\u2014I grew up in a culture that still kind of affirmed a basic biblical ethic of maleness and femaleness. Parents coming of age today are going to have to go deep on these issues, because the culture is no longer affirming and supporting what they might have grown up when they were children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; in previous generations, whatever case you were making was in alignment with the culture. Today, the case you\u2019re making is out of alignment with the culture. So, you better have your understanding pretty clear; because you\u2019re taking a contrary position, not a compatible position. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to know about the conversations you\u2019ve had with your seven-year-old, who said. \u201cDaddy, what\u2019s your book about?\u201d Daddy wrote a book called <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. Have you explained transgenderism to a seven-year-old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> We have talked about the subject without me ever using the term, transgender.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; let\u2019s hear how you did it, because I want to hear that conversation to a seven-year-old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Sure. What I think is really important right now is for my daughter, who is seven\u2014she is beginning to come into her own understanding of femininity. What I want to do with my seven-year-old\u2014very, very basic things. I want to affirm her femininity \/ affirm feminine instincts\u2014and have conversations with your child and say: \u201cYou know what? Isn\u2019t it neat how God made you a girl?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not using big convoluted terms like transgenderism with my seven-year-old. But what I\u2019m beginning to do is just subtly work in conversations, where she\u2019s beginning to understand that how God made her matters, and it\u2019s beautiful. It\u2019s not something that we want to reject\u2014or tamper with for that matter. I would just encourage parents\u2014you don\u2019t need to have a long 30-\/45-minute conversation where you sit down and work through the terms with a seven-year-old around the issue of transgenderism. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re just beginning to build the scaffolding for what a healthy feminine or healthy masculine identity looks like for a child at that age.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Some parents have had to deal with this a little more head-on when their child came home from school one day and learned that the teacher said that: \u201cSusie\u2014we\u2019re now going to call Susie \u2018Sammy.\u2019 We need to be careful because Susie is not a girl anymore. Susie is becoming a boy.\u201d And the kids have been like \u201cWhat is that?\u201d They come home: \u201cMom\/Dad explain this to me.\u201d So, if you\u2019re that parent, what do you do in that context?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> And this is a live issue. I\u2019ve had one of my closest friends text me about that very circumstance. He was basically asking, \u201cWhat do I do?\u201d In that circumstance, you have to have a different mode of kind of action. That means you have to engage and correct false teaching that your child is getting at the school level. That means that you\u2019re saying to your child: \u201cYou know, I know your teacher might say this; but your teacher is actually wrong, because your teacher is teaching contrary to the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYour teacher is not a bad person, but we just disagree with her right here. You need to believe what Mommy and Daddy say about these issues in terms of how God made us, as boys and girls.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, more importantly, especially if you\u2019re a parent, your opinion matters just as much as any other parent. It\u2019s appropriate for you to raise concerns with a school administration and say: \u201cListen, I understand there are lots of different opinions on these issues. I think it would be fair\u2014in the interest of fairness\u2014to have different perspectives at play here and not my child\u2019s view made to feel inferior, or bigoted, or discriminatory.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is where you need to be asking your children, \u201cWhat is your teacher talking to you about maleness and femaleness?\u201d You need to be having those conversations, actively and attentively, because chances are\u2014the direction we\u2019re going\u2014you might have to correct what your child is learning in school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause, unfortunately, and with great regret, we are fast approaching a day where the very best thing a Christian parent can hope for in a public-school setting is that a teacher will not be actively hostile to that child\u2019s view. Because it\u2019s growing increasingly unlikely that that teacher can be affirming or supporting of your child\u2019s view. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I really like how you handle this subject in your book, <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. You have a list of several points that you make of ways to prepare your children to encounter these issues in school. You just talked about the first one: \u201cHelp your child understand that people see reality in different ways.\u201d You\u2019re helping your child to know how to love people, who think differently and believe differently than we do, as followers of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> What you just said is really important, because I think it brings us back to the issue of worldview. We can begin, already at very young ages, tying gender and sex to this issue of worldview and understanding that people see reality differently, occasionally, if they\u2019re not Christians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt means they\u2019re going to have a different value system. What that means is\u2014we don\u2019t want to create little Pharisees or little legalists that just want to judge people. This is a time to talk about a doctrine of sin\u2014that sin roots itself in all people\u2019s hearts\u2014and that means there\u2019s disagreement about what the best way to live is, and there\u2019s disagreement about who God is and what God has revealed about Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This was kind of a funny thing that happened when we were raising our kids, as they grew up into junior high and high school. We\u2019d be going to a baseball game \/ a football game and some of their friends would be in the back seat. Occasionally, I\u2019d turn to one of their friends and I\u2019d say, \u201cSo tell me about your worldview.\u201d My kids would go: \u201cOh Dad! Dad!\u201d [Laughter] Inevitably, he would say, \u201cWhat do you mean worldview?\u201d I\u2019d say: \u201cIt\u2019s how you think about the world and from what moral and spiritual basis. I\u2019d just like to know kind of how you think about it all.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was interesting to begin to hear kids begin to unravel what they do think about the world. The idea of preparing your kids to know what their worldview is and how we think from the Bible\u2014that\u2019s a key construct in helping your kids develop a sense of morality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> With a seven-year-old\u2014if your daughter said, \u201cI want to get a crew cut,\u201d\u2014how would you respond to that, as a parent? What would you be concerned about? How would you approach something like that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> I think the first thing to ask is to evaluate whether what the culture believes around gender is appropriate or not. I think it\u2019s appropriate that the culture teaches that women traditionally have longer hair. I would say: \u201cWe\u2019re not going to do the crew cut, because that is something our culture assigns for boys and for men. That\u2019s not something that it associates about girls. I don\u2019t want you to send the wrong signal about who you are or who you\u2019re trying to be. So, we\u2019re going to just stick with your hair as it is. That means we can maybe style it differently, but we\u2019re not going to get a short haircut.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we\u2019ve got to be careful that we don\u2019t assign some biblical quality to cultural gender norms and teach kids that: \u201cIf you\u2019re a boy, that means that you\u2019re going to like sports; and if you\u2019re a girl, you should stay off the monkey bars.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. This is one of those instances, where we want to ask: \u201cIs what the church has adopted as a gender norm a proper gender norm, based on what the culture is saying? Has the culture kind of gone too far in what it is assigning or expecting males to be?\u201d One of the examples I\u2019m most occasioned with here is\u2014you know, a lot of churches do wild game dinners. I\u2019m in favor of wild game dinners\u2014I\u2019m not criticizing those.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Good; good. I\u2019m glad you\u2019re not. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That\u2019s good, but it sends the signal\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve contributed game to those wild game dinners.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Rarely\u2014I\u2019ll just add it\u2019s rarely that he\u2019s contributed anything. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Animals are safe with me\u2014they really are. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Those dinners\u2014if there\u2019s not some nuance to this, they can communicate that masculinity is summed up in wearing camouflage and going hunting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> It can send the signal to a young man\u2014who might be [gentler] or maybe a little bit more effeminate than other boys\u2014that he is not being a biblical man. I look at my own life. I don\u2019t like to hunt. I would rather sit in a coffee shop and read. I don\u2019t really enjoy watching sports. I couldn\u2019t tell you how many people belong on a football field, but I still consider myself biblically masculine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you saying my camo vest that I\u2019m wearing in the studio today doesn\u2019t fit? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That\u2019s between you and your Lord. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to go back, though, to the crew cut. What if your 25-year-old daughter comes home with a crew cut\u2014what do you do then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> If it\u2019s an older child\u2014I mean, the most important thing that I tell people is: \u201cYou want to keep that relationship going,\u201d and \u201cYou\u2019re not in control of what that 25-year-old is going to do.\u201d So, what that means is\u2014you <em>can<\/em> control one thing\u2014and that\u2019s your relationship with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re going to say to them: \u201cListen, we might disagree on how you\u2019re styling your hair right now, but I love you. I want you in this house, because you\u2019re my child. We can disagree, but I want you to know you\u2019re loved.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the conclusions Barbara and I came to, by the time we raised six teenagers, was the power of peers. What if your daughters were hanging around peers, as they move into junior high and high school, who clearly don\u2019t embrace your view of male and female?\u2014in fact, embrace what the world is teaching. How would you handle that? Now, I know\u2014again, your daughter is seven right now\u2014but you\u2019ve immersed yourself in thinking about this in your book, <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. What coaching would you have for parents in handling that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> I think, given the emotional kind of vulnerabilities at stake when someone, who\u2019s in middle school\u2014first and foremost, I would not want my child around individuals that could influence them poorly. That\u2019s not because I\u2019m trying to be a goody two shoes Christian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s because bad company corrupts good morals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That and, also, because how a child is formed in those pivotal years of 12,13, and 14, end up having <em>massive<\/em> repercussions down the line. What I would say to my daughter is: \u201cListen, I understand these are your friends. I\u2019m glad that you love them. I\u2019m glad that you love them even in their difference from us and from you. But because of how they can form you and the habits they could teach you, I don\u2019t feel comfortable for you hanging around with them. That doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t be friends with them at school. It doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t talk to them. But what it does mean is that we need to be extra attentive to what you\u2019re being exposed to and being formed by because, again, you\u2019re at a very pivotal age, where what you learn right now is going to be super transformative for the rest of your life. We want to be kind to your friends. We want to welcome your friends into our home that disagree with us. But as far as you being friends with them, that needs to be done in our oversight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We encountered challenges like this\u2014not around the transgender issue\u2014but our son, Benjamin, had a friend who was rubbing off on him as he grew up through middle school and into high school\u2014we could see it happening. The more we found out about what he believed, and who he was hanging around with, the more it spelled out that Barbara and I needed to have a pro-active approach to our son spending time with the other young man. We didn\u2019t have a big confrontation\u2014say, \u201cWe don\u2019t want you to spend time with him,\u201d\u2014we just slowly began to ease our son away from that relationship; and make it increasingly difficult to spend time with him; and set him up with other friends, who were more likely to help him do what was right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is something that is addressed, at some length, in the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup> video series that\u2019s going to be released, here, in another couple of months. One of the contributors to the series\u2014our friend, Tim Kimmel\u2014talks about your children having asset friends and liability friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says you need to look out and say: \u201cSome friends are asset friends and some friends are liability friends.\u201d You want to make sure that your kids are spending most of their time with their asset friends and that they know\u2014with a liability friend\u2014you can be friends with them, but don\u2019t take advice from them \/ don\u2019t follow their path, because they\u2019re not going to lead you in the right direction. You can have that kind of a differentiation, even with your kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you don\u2019t want them saying to their friends, \u201cYou\u2019re one of my liability friends\u201d; [Laughter] but you can help them understand: \u201cThere are some friends, who are going to inspire you to do good and right things. There are some friends who are going to tempt you to do bad and wrong things. Who do you think you should hang out with more?\u2014your good friends or your bad friends?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> And I think, especially, if your child has expressed faith at this age, this a good time to talk about grace and truth: \u201cWe, as Christians, have these as our values that we want to live by. We don\u2019t want to be judging [of] others or harsh toward others; but this is how we want to live, because we think this is what\u2019s honoring to God and we want this for your friends as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWe\u2019re not trying to shut you off from your friends all together, but we want you to evaluate how your involvement with your friends is impacting you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob is working on a project he referred to earlier, called <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. One of the experts we interviewed, and is on this video series, is Alistair Begg. I <em>love<\/em> this one piece he does, where he challenges parents to be the parent\u2014not the buddy\/not the friend. And he calls it nonsense for a parent to try to get down on the level of a child and just be one of them. Now, it doesn\u2019t mean you don\u2019t go have fun with them \/ you don\u2019t play together. But it does mean that you, as the parent, take full responsibility for where that child is headed\u2014you train them \/ you correct them. This is why your children were given to you, as parents, so that you could make those corrections while they\u2019re at home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd by the way, I think we also just need to talk again about <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> and <em>Passport2Identity<\/em>. As you talk about these tough subjects, I think we need to have a positive illustration of what identity looks like, for a follower of Christ, and how a young person, as they move into their adolescent years, develops morality that is able to withstand the cultural winds and not cave in to their peers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; here\u2019s the key: \u201cIf you\u2019re going to teach your kids to think biblically about issues like this, then, as a parent, you need to know what the Bible says about things like transgenderism and the whole gender identity question.\u201d That\u2019s why we love having books like <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em> by Andrew Walker in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce you\u2019ve read the book, or gone through it with your teenagers, let me also encourage you to get away with your kids and go through the <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> for young men or young women. Two different kits, designed to help our sons and our daughters\u2014ages 14\/15\/16\u2014that age group\u2014designed to help them think about their own identity, and where identity comes from, and how it is shaped, and who God made them to be\u2014not just in the area of gender\u2014but in the area of gifting: what their spiritual identity is all about. Find out more about <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com or call 1-800-FL-TODAY for more information about all of these resources.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you think about the conversation we\u2019ve had today\u2014and Dennis, you said it\u2014there may not be a tougher day, certainly in our lifetime and maybe in the last couple hundred years, for moms and dads to be raising the next generation; at least, when it comes to thinking, biblically, on issues that face us in the culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt FamilyLife, we want to help equip moms and dads as they raise their children. We want to give you some practical counsel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve assembled a group of about a dozen-and-a-half contributors, who have all pitched in to be part of <em>FamilyLife\u2019s Art of Parenting<\/em> video series\u2014a series that is designed for small groups to go through together or for a husband and a wife to go through in a digital experience, online. We\u2019re going to be releasing this video series coming up in May. We\u2019re kicking it off with a film that is going to be in movie theaters for two nights only, May 1<sup>st<\/sup> and May 3<sup>rd<\/sup>\u2014a theatrical film that was produced in conjunction with our friends, Alex and Stephen Kendrick. Alex plays a role in the film, along with Alan Powell and Micah Lynn Hanson. There\u2019s a trailer for the film, online, at FamilyLIfeToday.com. Tickets are on sale now if you\u2019d like to go ahead and start getting tickets\u2014plan to bring a group. And again, more information about that at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe also are working on a strategy to try to get biblical parenting content into the hands of people\u2014who are not currently listening to <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> \/ they\u2019re not going to a local church. But we believe that this content is something that can help a lot of young moms and dads begin to think about their own relationship with Jesus and about how they want to raise their children. We\u2019re asking you to help us reach more folks, who are outside of our orbit. It costs us about $10 to get this content into the hands of a family, who is not currently going to church. We\u2019re asking you: \u201cWould you pitch in and help us with this outreach effort? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you can help, we\u2019d like to say, \u2018Thank you,\u2019 by sending you a series of seven prayer cards; so that you can be praying more purposefully and intentionally for your own children and your own grandchildren. You can donate, online, at FamilyLIfeToday.com; or you can call to donate at 1-800-FL-TODAY. We hope to hear from you. We hope to reach a lot of people\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014in fact, our goal over the next three years is to reach a million people with this practical biblical content on parenting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to invite you back to hear from Carolyn Weber. She shares with us her story of how God intersected with her when she was a student in England. It was an out-of-the-blue experience for her that changed her life. 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Walker encourages parents to teach their children about the doctrine of sin.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-03-28.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In a day when new thinking, untethered from the Bible, about gender and sexuality is being celebrated in our culture, how does that affect us, as parents, and where we send our kids to school? We posed that question to Andrew Walker.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> There\u2019s a range of opinions on what parents should do for their kids\u2019 schooling. But what I\u2019m going to say is this\u2014if your kid is in public school, we are fast approaching a day where the very best thing a Christian parent can hope for in a public-school setting is that a teacher will not be actively hostile to that child\u2019s view. Because it\u2019s growing increasingly unlikely that that teacher can be affirming or supporting of your child\u2019s view. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, March 28<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. We are living in a brave new world in many ways. How do we, as Christian parents, raise our children to live counter culturally in this world? We\u2019ll explore that today with Andrew Walker. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. When we were raising our children, I remember the big question that parents would have is: \u201cWhen do you talk to your kids about the birds and the bees?\u201d and \u201cWhat do you do if your kids come home and they start asking questions about human reproduction before you\u2019re ready to have that conversation?\u201d Well, that almost seems laughable today; because the questions kids are coming home with in the second and third grade are less about the birds and the bees and more about basic gender issues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, I just want to unashamedly give an advertisement for <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae <\/sup>and also <em>Passport2Identity<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>\u2014two tools that FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has produced for a mom and her daughter \/ a father and his son to take a weekend and to talk about the birds and the bees between the ages of 10 and 12 \/ 10 and 13. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, when you get a child 14\/15\/16, talk about this issue of identity; because your teenager today will struggle with identity issues. Peer pressure is powerful\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014powerful for good but also powerful for not so good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and not just gender identity. I mean, what 15-year-old isn\u2019t asking the question: \u201cWho am I?\u201d \u201cWhat am I good at?\u201d \u201cHow do I get people to like me?\u201d \u201cWhere do I fit in this world?\u201d There are all kinds of identity issues. Gender is one aspect of that, but <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> gets into the variety of gender issues: \u201cWhat about your spiritual identity? What about your personality and who God made you to be there?\u201d and \u201cHow do you use those things for kingdom purposes?\u201d I\u2019ll just mention\u2014if our listeners would like more information about either <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> or <em>Passport2Identity<\/em>, they can go to our website, FamilyLIfeToday.com, and all the information is there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to use that as a springboard to talk about \u201cHow do you prepare your children today to face the issue of transgender in school as they grow up?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause they will experience this\u2014not just in high school and junior high\u2014but at earlier and earlier years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAndrew Walker joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Andrew, thanks for coming back on a very thorny subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> It\u2019s great to be here. Thanks for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Andrew has written a book called <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. I didn\u2019t ask you on the first day, but why in the world did you tackle this subject? I mean, you\u2019ve got a seven-year-old daughter and a three-year-old daughter. Why did you take this one on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Well, first off, because there\u2019s virtually no other resource available for lay Christians\u2014the Christians in the pews\u2014who can grapple with the transgender issue in a clear, accessible\u2014and I would say\u2014deeply biblical way to handle and address the issue. I would say, also, as well, I\u2019m really, really interested in these issues of\u2014it\u2019s a big theological term called Theological Anthropology\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it\u2019s a big fancy word\u2014but anthropology is simply the study of: \u201cWhat does it mean to be made in God\u2019s image?\u201d It\u2019s kind of a doctrine of man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think a lot of the challenges that we\u2019re facing in the church today are these issues around what it means to be a human. You look at issues of racism and abortion\u2014reproductive technology issues. All of these questions are emanating back to the central question of: \u201cWho is man?\u201d \u201cWho made man?\u201d \u201cWho is man accountable to?\u201d When you look at the transgender issue, there is no issue more foundational to the question of \u201cWhat is man?\u201d and \u201cWhat is woman?\u201d than the transgender issue; because the transgender issue is seeking to kind of subvert and overturn a biblical ethic on biological sex and where gender comes from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Andrew\u2014my wife Barbara and I are working on a book called <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the fundamental principles or precepts of that book is that parents have to know what they believe the Bible teaches, increasingly around these issues, as we confront the culture. Because, if you\u2019re going to guide your child\u2014into elementary school, into junior high, high school, and beyond\u2014to adulthood, you need to know where you stand, as a follower of Christ, and what you believe. That doesn\u2019t mean you have to be a theological anthropologist\u2014[Laughter]\u2014like you just described\u2014but it does mean you have to have a construct,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014theologically, of what the Bible teaches around the major moral issues of our day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> You are certainly right, because we are fast living in a day in America where America is kind of no longer propping up a Christian ethic on many issues at all. And unless Christians\u2014and parents especially\u2014are attentive to these issues, the culture will do the formation and the teaching for you. It\u2019s really, really incumbent on parents to have to do some homework on these issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that\u2019s where this is particularly challenging\u2014is because I grew up \/ I\u2019m 32\u2014I grew up in a culture that still kind of affirmed a basic biblical ethic of maleness and femaleness. Parents coming of age today are going to have to go deep on these issues, because the culture is no longer affirming and supporting what they might have grown up when they were children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; in previous generations, whatever case you were making was in alignment with the culture. Today, the case you\u2019re making is out of alignment with the culture. So, you better have your understanding pretty clear; because you\u2019re taking a contrary position, not a compatible position. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to know about the conversations you\u2019ve had with your seven-year-old, who said. \u201cDaddy, what\u2019s your book about?\u201d Daddy wrote a book called <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. Have you explained transgenderism to a seven-year-old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> We have talked about the subject without me ever using the term, transgender.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; let\u2019s hear how you did it, because I want to hear that conversation to a seven-year-old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Sure. What I think is really important right now is for my daughter, who is seven\u2014she is beginning to come into her own understanding of femininity. What I want to do with my seven-year-old\u2014very, very basic things. I want to affirm her femininity \/ affirm feminine instincts\u2014and have conversations with your child and say: \u201cYou know what? Isn\u2019t it neat how God made you a girl?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not using big convoluted terms like transgenderism with my seven-year-old. But what I\u2019m beginning to do is just subtly work in conversations, where she\u2019s beginning to understand that how God made her matters, and it\u2019s beautiful. It\u2019s not something that we want to reject\u2014or tamper with for that matter. I would just encourage parents\u2014you don\u2019t need to have a long 30-\/45-minute conversation where you sit down and work through the terms with a seven-year-old around the issue of transgenderism. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re just beginning to build the scaffolding for what a healthy feminine or healthy masculine identity looks like for a child at that age.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Some parents have had to deal with this a little more head-on when their child came home from school one day and learned that the teacher said that: \u201cSusie\u2014we\u2019re now going to call Susie \u2018Sammy.\u2019 We need to be careful because Susie is not a girl anymore. Susie is becoming a boy.\u201d And the kids have been like \u201cWhat is that?\u201d They come home: \u201cMom\/Dad explain this to me.\u201d So, if you\u2019re that parent, what do you do in that context?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> And this is a live issue. I\u2019ve had one of my closest friends text me about that very circumstance. He was basically asking, \u201cWhat do I do?\u201d In that circumstance, you have to have a different mode of kind of action. That means you have to engage and correct false teaching that your child is getting at the school level. That means that you\u2019re saying to your child: \u201cYou know, I know your teacher might say this; but your teacher is actually wrong, because your teacher is teaching contrary to the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYour teacher is not a bad person, but we just disagree with her right here. You need to believe what Mommy and Daddy say about these issues in terms of how God made us, as boys and girls.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, more importantly, especially if you\u2019re a parent, your opinion matters just as much as any other parent. It\u2019s appropriate for you to raise concerns with a school administration and say: \u201cListen, I understand there are lots of different opinions on these issues. I think it would be fair\u2014in the interest of fairness\u2014to have different perspectives at play here and not my child\u2019s view made to feel inferior, or bigoted, or discriminatory.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is where you need to be asking your children, \u201cWhat is your teacher talking to you about maleness and femaleness?\u201d You need to be having those conversations, actively and attentively, because chances are\u2014the direction we\u2019re going\u2014you might have to correct what your child is learning in school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause, unfortunately, and with great regret, we are fast approaching a day where the very best thing a Christian parent can hope for in a public-school setting is that a teacher will not be actively hostile to that child\u2019s view. Because it\u2019s growing increasingly unlikely that that teacher can be affirming or supporting of your child\u2019s view. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I really like how you handle this subject in your book, <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. You have a list of several points that you make of ways to prepare your children to encounter these issues in school. You just talked about the first one: \u201cHelp your child understand that people see reality in different ways.\u201d You\u2019re helping your child to know how to love people, who think differently and believe differently than we do, as followers of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> What you just said is really important, because I think it brings us back to the issue of worldview. We can begin, already at very young ages, tying gender and sex to this issue of worldview and understanding that people see reality differently, occasionally, if they\u2019re not Christians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt means they\u2019re going to have a different value system. What that means is\u2014we don\u2019t want to create little Pharisees or little legalists that just want to judge people. This is a time to talk about a doctrine of sin\u2014that sin roots itself in all people\u2019s hearts\u2014and that means there\u2019s disagreement about what the best way to live is, and there\u2019s disagreement about who God is and what God has revealed about Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This was kind of a funny thing that happened when we were raising our kids, as they grew up into junior high and high school. We\u2019d be going to a baseball game \/ a football game and some of their friends would be in the back seat. Occasionally, I\u2019d turn to one of their friends and I\u2019d say, \u201cSo tell me about your worldview.\u201d My kids would go: \u201cOh Dad! Dad!\u201d [Laughter] Inevitably, he would say, \u201cWhat do you mean worldview?\u201d I\u2019d say: \u201cIt\u2019s how you think about the world and from what moral and spiritual basis. I\u2019d just like to know kind of how you think about it all.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was interesting to begin to hear kids begin to unravel what they do think about the world. The idea of preparing your kids to know what their worldview is and how we think from the Bible\u2014that\u2019s a key construct in helping your kids develop a sense of morality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> With a seven-year-old\u2014if your daughter said, \u201cI want to get a crew cut,\u201d\u2014how would you respond to that, as a parent? What would you be concerned about? How would you approach something like that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> I think the first thing to ask is to evaluate whether what the culture believes around gender is appropriate or not. I think it\u2019s appropriate that the culture teaches that women traditionally have longer hair. I would say: \u201cWe\u2019re not going to do the crew cut, because that is something our culture assigns for boys and for men. That\u2019s not something that it associates about girls. I don\u2019t want you to send the wrong signal about who you are or who you\u2019re trying to be. So, we\u2019re going to just stick with your hair as it is. That means we can maybe style it differently, but we\u2019re not going to get a short haircut.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we\u2019ve got to be careful that we don\u2019t assign some biblical quality to cultural gender norms and teach kids that: \u201cIf you\u2019re a boy, that means that you\u2019re going to like sports; and if you\u2019re a girl, you should stay off the monkey bars.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. This is one of those instances, where we want to ask: \u201cIs what the church has adopted as a gender norm a proper gender norm, based on what the culture is saying? Has the culture kind of gone too far in what it is assigning or expecting males to be?\u201d One of the examples I\u2019m most occasioned with here is\u2014you know, a lot of churches do wild game dinners. I\u2019m in favor of wild game dinners\u2014I\u2019m not criticizing those.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Good; good. I\u2019m glad you\u2019re not. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That\u2019s good, but it sends the signal\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve contributed game to those wild game dinners.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Rarely\u2014I\u2019ll just add it\u2019s rarely that he\u2019s contributed anything. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Animals are safe with me\u2014they really are. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> Those dinners\u2014if there\u2019s not some nuance to this, they can communicate that masculinity is summed up in wearing camouflage and going hunting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> It can send the signal to a young man\u2014who might be [gentler] or maybe a little bit more effeminate than other boys\u2014that he is not being a biblical man. I look at my own life. I don\u2019t like to hunt. I would rather sit in a coffee shop and read. I don\u2019t really enjoy watching sports. I couldn\u2019t tell you how many people belong on a football field, but I still consider myself biblically masculine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you saying my camo vest that I\u2019m wearing in the studio today doesn\u2019t fit? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That\u2019s between you and your Lord. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to go back, though, to the crew cut. What if your 25-year-old daughter comes home with a crew cut\u2014what do you do then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> If it\u2019s an older child\u2014I mean, the most important thing that I tell people is: \u201cYou want to keep that relationship going,\u201d and \u201cYou\u2019re not in control of what that 25-year-old is going to do.\u201d So, what that means is\u2014you <em>can<\/em> control one thing\u2014and that\u2019s your relationship with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re going to say to them: \u201cListen, we might disagree on how you\u2019re styling your hair right now, but I love you. I want you in this house, because you\u2019re my child. We can disagree, but I want you to know you\u2019re loved.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the conclusions Barbara and I came to, by the time we raised six teenagers, was the power of peers. What if your daughters were hanging around peers, as they move into junior high and high school, who clearly don\u2019t embrace your view of male and female?\u2014in fact, embrace what the world is teaching. How would you handle that? Now, I know\u2014again, your daughter is seven right now\u2014but you\u2019ve immersed yourself in thinking about this in your book, <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em>. What coaching would you have for parents in handling that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> I think, given the emotional kind of vulnerabilities at stake when someone, who\u2019s in middle school\u2014first and foremost, I would not want my child around individuals that could influence them poorly. That\u2019s not because I\u2019m trying to be a goody two shoes Christian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s because bad company corrupts good morals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> That and, also, because how a child is formed in those pivotal years of 12,13, and 14, end up having <em>massive<\/em> repercussions down the line. What I would say to my daughter is: \u201cListen, I understand these are your friends. I\u2019m glad that you love them. I\u2019m glad that you love them even in their difference from us and from you. But because of how they can form you and the habits they could teach you, I don\u2019t feel comfortable for you hanging around with them. That doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t be friends with them at school. It doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t talk to them. But what it does mean is that we need to be extra attentive to what you\u2019re being exposed to and being formed by because, again, you\u2019re at a very pivotal age, where what you learn right now is going to be super transformative for the rest of your life. We want to be kind to your friends. We want to welcome your friends into our home that disagree with us. But as far as you being friends with them, that needs to be done in our oversight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We encountered challenges like this\u2014not around the transgender issue\u2014but our son, Benjamin, had a friend who was rubbing off on him as he grew up through middle school and into high school\u2014we could see it happening. The more we found out about what he believed, and who he was hanging around with, the more it spelled out that Barbara and I needed to have a pro-active approach to our son spending time with the other young man. We didn\u2019t have a big confrontation\u2014say, \u201cWe don\u2019t want you to spend time with him,\u201d\u2014we just slowly began to ease our son away from that relationship; and make it increasingly difficult to spend time with him; and set him up with other friends, who were more likely to help him do what was right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is something that is addressed, at some length, in the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup> video series that\u2019s going to be released, here, in another couple of months. One of the contributors to the series\u2014our friend, Tim Kimmel\u2014talks about your children having asset friends and liability friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says you need to look out and say: \u201cSome friends are asset friends and some friends are liability friends.\u201d You want to make sure that your kids are spending most of their time with their asset friends and that they know\u2014with a liability friend\u2014you can be friends with them, but don\u2019t take advice from them \/ don\u2019t follow their path, because they\u2019re not going to lead you in the right direction. You can have that kind of a differentiation, even with your kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you don\u2019t want them saying to their friends, \u201cYou\u2019re one of my liability friends\u201d; [Laughter] but you can help them understand: \u201cThere are some friends, who are going to inspire you to do good and right things. There are some friends who are going to tempt you to do bad and wrong things. Who do you think you should hang out with more?\u2014your good friends or your bad friends?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Andrew:<\/strong> And I think, especially, if your child has expressed faith at this age, this a good time to talk about grace and truth: \u201cWe, as Christians, have these as our values that we want to live by. We don\u2019t want to be judging [of] others or harsh toward others; but this is how we want to live, because we think this is what\u2019s honoring to God and we want this for your friends as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWe\u2019re not trying to shut you off from your friends all together, but we want you to evaluate how your involvement with your friends is impacting you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob is working on a project he referred to earlier, called <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. One of the experts we interviewed, and is on this video series, is Alistair Begg. I <em>love<\/em> this one piece he does, where he challenges parents to be the parent\u2014not the buddy\/not the friend. And he calls it nonsense for a parent to try to get down on the level of a child and just be one of them. Now, it doesn\u2019t mean you don\u2019t go have fun with them \/ you don\u2019t play together. But it does mean that you, as the parent, take full responsibility for where that child is headed\u2014you train them \/ you correct them. This is why your children were given to you, as parents, so that you could make those corrections while they\u2019re at home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd by the way, I think we also just need to talk again about <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> and <em>Passport2Identity<\/em>. As you talk about these tough subjects, I think we need to have a positive illustration of what identity looks like, for a follower of Christ, and how a young person, as they move into their adolescent years, develops morality that is able to withstand the cultural winds and not cave in to their peers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; here\u2019s the key: \u201cIf you\u2019re going to teach your kids to think biblically about issues like this, then, as a parent, you need to know what the Bible says about things like transgenderism and the whole gender identity question.\u201d That\u2019s why we love having books like <em>God and the Transgender Debate<\/em> by Andrew Walker in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce you\u2019ve read the book, or gone through it with your teenagers, let me also encourage you to get away with your kids and go through the <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> for young men or young women. Two different kits, designed to help our sons and our daughters\u2014ages 14\/15\/16\u2014that age group\u2014designed to help them think about their own identity, and where identity comes from, and how it is shaped, and who God made them to be\u2014not just in the area of gender\u2014but in the area of gifting: what their spiritual identity is all about. Find out more about <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com or call 1-800-FL-TODAY for more information about all of these resources.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you think about the conversation we\u2019ve had today\u2014and Dennis, you said it\u2014there may not be a tougher day, certainly in our lifetime and maybe in the last couple hundred years, for moms and dads to be raising the next generation; at least, when it comes to thinking, biblically, on issues that face us in the culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt FamilyLife, we want to help equip moms and dads as they raise their children. We want to give you some practical counsel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve assembled a group of about a dozen-and-a-half contributors, who have all pitched in to be part of <em>FamilyLife\u2019s Art of Parenting<\/em> video series\u2014a series that is designed for small groups to go through together or for a husband and a wife to go through in a digital experience, online. We\u2019re going to be releasing this video series coming up in May. We\u2019re kicking it off with a film that is going to be in movie theaters for two nights only, May 1<sup>st<\/sup> and May 3<sup>rd<\/sup>\u2014a theatrical film that was produced in conjunction with our friends, Alex and Stephen Kendrick. Alex plays a role in the film, along with Alan Powell and Micah Lynn Hanson. There\u2019s a trailer for the film, online, at FamilyLIfeToday.com. Tickets are on sale now if you\u2019d like to go ahead and start getting tickets\u2014plan to bring a group. And again, more information about that at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe also are working on a strategy to try to get biblical parenting content into the hands of people\u2014who are not currently listening to <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> \/ they\u2019re not going to a local church. But we believe that this content is something that can help a lot of young moms and dads begin to think about their own relationship with Jesus and about how they want to raise their children. We\u2019re asking you to help us reach more folks, who are outside of our orbit. It costs us about $10 to get this content into the hands of a family, who is not currently going to church. We\u2019re asking you: \u201cWould you pitch in and help us with this outreach effort? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you can help, we\u2019d like to say, \u2018Thank you,\u2019 by sending you a series of seven prayer cards; so that you can be praying more purposefully and intentionally for your own children and your own grandchildren. You can donate, online, at FamilyLIfeToday.com; or you can call to donate at 1-800-FL-TODAY. We hope to hear from you. We hope to reach a lot of people\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014in fact, our goal over the next three years is to reach a million people with this practical biblical content on parenting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to invite you back to hear from Carolyn Weber. She shares with us her story of how God intersected with her when she was a student in England. It was an out-of-the-blue experience for her that changed her life. 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