{"id":300149,"date":"2018-02-19T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-02-19T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/investing-in-the-next-generation\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:20","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:20","slug":"investing-in-the-next-generation","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/investing-in-the-next-generation\/","title":{"rendered":"Investing in the Next Generation"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth and Barbara Rainey talk about mentoring. 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My own life is way too messy.\u201d Well Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth says, \u201cYou\u2019re exactly the kind of woman God wants to use.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> If we\u2019re not ministering out of some level of brokenness and humility, probably, no one is going to want to hear what we have to say because they are going to look at us and say: \u201cYou\u2019re just this amazing woman. I could never walk with the Lord like you do.\u201d We need to share with them, honestly: \u201cLook, here is how I have struggled \/ how I do struggle. Here\u2019s how I\u2019m tempted, but this is how God gives me grace to deal with that,\u201d and we\u2019re walking <em>together<\/em> in this, as very needy pilgrims, seeking God together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, February 19<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Every woman is an older woman to <em>somebody<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEvery woman has something she can share with younger women. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. It\u2019s always nice when your wife Barbara joins us in the studio. Barbara, welcome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Thank you, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And it\u2019s always nice to have an old friend back joining us as well. The only problem is\u2014with your wife, and with our friend, and you\u2014I\u2019m not sure who\u2019s going to get more mic time today; you know? This is going to be a little bit of an arm wrestle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob, I\u2019m going to move off of the soapbox. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; we\u2019ll see how this holds. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to give our friend, Nancy\u2014[whom] I want you to introduce, because you\u2019ve had a big part in her radio ministry. I just thought you ought to tell our listeners a little about that and introduce her to our audience today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s a treat to have Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth in the studio with us. Nancy, welcome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you, Bob, and Dennis, and Barbara. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy was a guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for the first time back in 1997. We talked about singleness. Do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I remember being single, and I remember talking about it. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and I looked at each other, afterwards, and said, \u201cShe should be on the radio all the time.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We said, \u201cGod loves you, and <em>we<\/em> have a wonderful plan for your life.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> You did. [Laughter] That\u2019s the way it went. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was a few years later that, after a season of prayer, you sensed that maybe God was opening that door; and FamilyLife was part of helping get that launched. <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em> is heard on more than 500 radio stations across the country, and you\u2019ve been hosting events. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, next fall will be the tenth anniversary of the <em>True Woman<\/em> events. You\u2019ll be hosting an event in the fall of \u201918, and our listeners can find out more about that event if they\u2019d like by going to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ve got information available there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Nancy has written a book called <em>Adorned: Living Out the Beauty of the Gospel Together<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNancy, I just want to start by just asking you for your opinion of what you see happening among women today. What do you think they are struggling with as they try to be God\u2019s woman in the midst of this culture? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s a big question, and there are probably as many different answers as there are women; but I can just speak for my small frame of reference here and say that the <em>good news<\/em> is that I\u2019m finding women are hungry. They\u2019re eager to know God better, to know His Word, to know His ways, and to find out how to be God\u2019s women in the midst of a culture that\u2014they\u2019re having to swim upstream as there is confusion in our culture as to, even, what it means to be a woman\u2014whether there is a difference between men and women and why any of that should matter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you\u2019re having to be countercultural to be <em>God\u2019s<\/em> woman today; and <em>yet<\/em>, there\u2019s an excitement in my heart\u2014and I think in a lot of these women\u2014about how our lives can make a difference \/ can be a <em>light<\/em> in the darkness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we have to deal with <em>our<\/em> issues, and that includes things like busyness. And you find a lot of hurting and broken relationships\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014trauma from\u2014I have a friend\u2014many, probably, but one I\u2019m thinking of at the moment\u2014who was walking through dealing with sexual abuse issues as a child and broken, fractured family issues. Now, this is second, and third, and fourth generation for some of these women. So, there\u2019s not a great idea of or sense of how to live in family \/ how to live in relationship\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014so dealing with the hurt and the pain and the wounds. The good news is the gospel, which says that, through Christ\u2014there\u2019s not a quick-fix for any of this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014but there is <em>hope<\/em> \/ there is grace\u2014not only to have healing for our <em>own<\/em> hearts, but then to be used by God in other\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As I was reading your book, I found it interesting to note that this burden that you have to equip women and to disciple them, really, was placed on your heart as a young lady\u2014as a little girl, really; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had that burden, early on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I did. Well, I had a love for the Lord, and a love for His kingdom, and a desire to <em>serve<\/em> Him in whatever way He would have for me. Now, I have to confess to you that when I first started doing women\u2019s ministry, per se, in my early 20s, I didn\u2019t have a particular burden or heart for women. I actually kind of felt that: \u201cIf God had made me a man, maybe, I could serve Him more effectively.\u201d I didn\u2019t have a <em>vision<\/em> for why God made women in general \/ why He made me a woman in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe talk about those things today\u2014it can sound a little strange\u2014it wasn\u2019t <em>weirdness<\/em>; it was just I didn\u2019t understand the biblical perspective. Actually, it was doing some FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> radio programs, and then doing some writing, and then starting <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em> that God started to unfold for me, in the Scripture, the beauty of what I had <em>seen<\/em> in some other women\u2019s lives\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but a calling to be God\u2019s women in this generation. So, yes, I have had a heart for Christ that, as it has unfolded, has become a heart to serve and love women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That heart for Christ came because you grew up in a family where Jesus Christ was Lord and was modeled before you, not perfectly, but preeminently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Right; my parents were first generation Christians. They came to know the Lord as young adults. They were pretty young in their faith when they started our family. I was born nine months and four days after my parents got married. So, they hadn\u2019t had really much time to develop their philosophy of parenting. FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> didn\u2019t exist, but they loved God\u2019s Word \/ they loved Christ. They said, \u201cWe want a home that is built on the foundation of God\u2019s Word.\u201d They asked the Lord for help, and they got God\u2019s grace to figure out how to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And the point I wanted to make out of that is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I just want to challenge parents\u2014when they look at their little girls\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014their little boys, they need to be challenging them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to be great for Jesus Christ, to love Him preeminently, to serve Him\u2014get a mission to go for it. I don\u2019t think we are challenging our young people to a big enough vision. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYesterday, I talked to a friend on the phone who has kind of a grandma\u2019s camp [for her grandchildren]. She had asked a minister to come to her grandma\u2019s camp to share stories around the campfire of both a young man and a young lady who had been challenged, early on, in their lives to make an impact for Jesus Christ. She brought that friend into her grandchildren\u2019s lives so that they could hear about and get a vision for how a young person can really grow up to make a huge impact in their culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> This thing about a vision for your children is so important. My parents were not content to think that we would just be well-behaved, or stay out of trouble, or be kids who could fit into this world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey wanted for themselves and for us that we would stand out\u2014not because we were weird or odd\u2014but because we <em>loved<\/em> Christ, <em>loved<\/em> His Word, and wanted to be used by God to make a difference in this world and in the kingdom of Christ. That didn\u2019t mean we had to be famous, or be ministers, or Bible teachers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Wherever we were\u2014my dad was a businessman, but he served the Lord as a light\u2014he and my mother. Our home was\u2014Barbara and I have talked about this\u2014was an embassy where we were ambassadors, and serving the Lord, and welcoming people to come and get to know Jesus. We grew up seeing that Jesus really does make a difference in our parents\u2019 lives, and He can make a difference in ours; and God can use us wherever we end up to be instruments of blessing and grace in the lives of others. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, I wonder what you think\u2014because after four decades of marriage and family ministry\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014when you think about ministering to women as a unique group, do you see that as foundational; or do you see that as kind of a subset of broader ministry? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I think it\u2019s foundational; because I think that women play such an important role\u2014because of the family, in marriages with children\u2014even if you don\u2019t have children, you\u2019re around children from time to time. I think it\u2019s very, very crucial that women be taught and trained to have a vision for how their supposed to live and what God might want to do in their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s more important today than it even used to be when I was a young woman; because there is so much confusion, as Nancy was talking about, and women don\u2019t know what they\u2019re supposed to do and not supposed to do. I think they need teaching and guidance more than ever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> You know, one of the sweetest examples of this I ever saw was through Vonette Bright, who, with her husband Bill Bright, cofounded Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014now Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014which FamilyLife is a part of. As Vonette was dying, in the last several weeks of her life, Robert and I went to see her. I put a phone in front of her face and said\u2014I knew Vonette always had a burden for women and for getting women to pray. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; she did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> She used to call me and she\u2019d say, \u201cHoney, you\u2019ve got to do something about getting women to pray.\u201d As she got older and couldn\u2019t do as much herself, she was trying to pass that baton. Well, when I stuck that phone recorder in front of her face, in the last segment of her life, she recorded several moments, just saying, \u201cHoney, I don\u2019t think women <em>get<\/em> the power that they hold \/ the <em>influence<\/em> that they could have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cif <em>they<\/em> would love Christ and get on their knees and pray for this country \/ for this world.\u201d And she said, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to tell them what a difference their lives could make.\u201d I\u2019ve not forgotten that conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Men and women are image-bearers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And as such, they\u2019re to reflect who God is and what He is about, here, on planet earth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Every woman, who is listening to our broadcast\u2014for that matter, every man, every little girl, [and] every little boy, who is listening\u2014ought to begin to grapple with: \u201cWhat does God want me to do in this day for Him?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u201cIt\u2019s not about me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cIt\u2019s not about me.\u201d It\u2019s about: \u201cHow do we take the good news of Jesus Christ\u2014in a relevant way, <em>compassionately<\/em> speak to this broken world\u2014and call people to follow Christ?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy, when the Apostle Paul wrote to his ministry companion, Titus, one of the burdens on his heart for what we\u2019re to do, as followers of Christ, was that we\u2019re to be intentional about transferring faith from one generation to another\u2014not casual but purposeful and intentional. That\u2019s really at the heart of the book that you\u2019ve just written; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; the Book Titus\u2014this is the storyline: Here is this fledgling church on the island of Crete. You\u2019ve got the whole Roman government as the backdrop that hates Christians and wants to get rid of Christians. You\u2019ve got Nero breathing down their neck, threatening to get rid of all of them. How is this little church supposed to survive, much less thrive, much less take the gospel to the world? It\u2019s impossible! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul writes to Titus, his son in the faith. In the first chapter, he says, \u201cYou better make sure that these churches have leaders\u2014elders\/pastors\u2014who are good examples of the gospel and who know how to teach the faith.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, he comes to Chapter 2. He says to men, to women, to older people, to younger people\u2014to each demographic: \u201cThis is what the gospel looks like on you,\u201d\u2014the relational dimension there of saying, \u201cOlder women,\u201d\u2014now, you can decide if you are older of younger\u2014but we\u2019re all an older woman to somebody; and we\u2019re all a younger woman to somebody else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cOlder women, you are supposed to model the gospel. You\u2019re supposed to be reverent in behavior, not to be slanderers with your tongue. You\u2019re not to be slaves to too much wine. This is what the gospel looks like on you.\u201d Then, he says: \u201cIt\u2019s not just enough for you to live it. You\u2019re supposed to <em>teach<\/em> it to the younger women. You\u2019re supposed to be actively involved\u2014life to life, relationship to relationship, woman to woman.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t think Paul was envisioning women with, you know, PowerPoint presentations and pulling out their commentaries and being formal teachers of the Word. There are some of those, and that\u2019s <em>great<\/em>; but I think he was saying, \u201cThis is something <em>every<\/em> woman in the body of Christ is to aspire to\u201d\u2014to live the gospel out in practical ways that affect us in the four walls of our homes, in the ways we talk, in the ways we think. And then, we\u2019re supposed to be passing that legacy \/ that baton of faith on to the women of the next generation. There is no Plan \u201cB\u201d for how the gospel is to go forward in our world into the next generation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy, I think about that handoff that you are talking about; and I think there are some women, and some men, who are not really well-equipped to make the handoff because their holding the baton to loosely themselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014or they\u2019ve dropped it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right; I think there are others, who are thinking, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get this perfect before I can talk to anybody else.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Then, we\u2019re all out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, help us understand: \u201cAre there qualifications? Are there things that women need to know?\u2014\u2018I shouldn\u2019t be trying to influence the next generation until I get my act together\u2019; but then, how far does your act have to get together before you start influencing the next generation?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Listen, we\u2019re in this journey together. This is a relay race. We\u2019re passing the baton from one hand to the other; and there is a point at which both hands are on that baton in that relay race. We\u2019re not just teaching out of, \u201cHere\u2019s how I did this <em>well<\/em>.\u201d We\u2019re teaching, also, out of our failure \/ out of what we wish we had done differently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> You know, Paul talks to these older women\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014he says, \u201cTeach the younger women to <em>love<\/em> their husbands.\u201d That\u2019s the first qualification or the first part of this curriculum. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I can imagine a woman, who has had a failed marriage, saying, \u201cI can\u2019t do that!\u201d Well, yes, you can! You can teach out of what God has taught <em>you<\/em> on this journey, as you\u2019ve humbled yourself\u2014as you\u2019ve dealt with the pain, or the shame, or the guilt\u2014or whatever was involved in that situation. You can caution; you can warn. You can warn this young woman, who is dating a guy who is not a believer, and say: \u201cWhoa! I did that! Here\u2019s my life message about this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of us are teaching out of our own lives, with the Word of God in our hands. We\u2019re not experts in it, but we\u2019re getting to know it. We\u2019re learning it together, and we\u2019re <em>growing<\/em> together in what it looks like to live as a woman of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And Barbara, I would think there would be some women, who just ought to have a check if they are thinking: \u201cBoy, let me at them. I\u2019ve got a lot that I can share with these younger women.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey should probably pull back and cultivate a little more humility before they start talking. [Laughter] And those women, who would say, \u201cBoy, I\u2019m not sure I\u2019ve got anything to share,\u201d\u2014they\u2019re probably ready to share. They just need the equipping and the encouraging to move forward; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And what I think that illustrates, in your question, is that we all need to be led by the Holy Spirit\u2014because if we\u2019re listening to Him, if we\u2019re willing to go where He sends us and to talk to the people He puts in front of us, and we\u2019re willing to share what He has done in our lives\u2014then, we\u2019re probably not going to go overboard in one direction or the other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I think you\u2019re right. We do get caught up in: \u201cAm I capable? Do I have enough to say?\u201d and that\u2019s not the question. The question is: \u201cWhat is God calling me to do? Who has He put in my path?\u201d and \u201cWhat has He done in my life that I need to share with others that can benefit them?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to go back to the story of the grandma who had Mimi\u2019s Camp and brought in a minister to tell the stories to these kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And one interesting thing about this woman\u2014because I know who she is\u2014she\u2019s divorced. She had a really painful, painful divorce experience. She could have withdrawn and said: \u201cI don\u2019t have anything to offer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d Instead, she is <em>so<\/em> passionately investing in her grandchildren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s on a mission. That\u2019s what I was going to share\u2014I was going to say, \u201cThis woman, who has got a message\u2014that message came out of brokenness.\u201d I mean, out of something she thought she\u2019d never have to deal with, as a woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are probably listeners, <em>right now<\/em>, who have got their own mess. They\u2019re wondering, \u201cBut God can\u2019t use me.\u201d The message you need to be hearing is that God delights in taking broken vessels and letting His light shine through those cracks in the clay pot. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That becomes part of your life message. That failure, that defeat, that disappointment becomes a stepping stone to greater fruitfulness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tListen, if we\u2019re not ministering out of some level of brokenness and humility, probably, no one\u2019s going to want to hear what we have to say; because they\u2019re going to look at us and say: \u201cYou\u2019re just this amazing woman. I could never walk with the Lord like you do.\u201d We need to share honestly with them: \u201cLook, here is how I have struggled \/ how I do struggle. Here is how I\u2019m tempted, but this is how God gives me grace to deal with that.\u201d We\u2019re walking <em>together<\/em> in this, as very needy pilgrims, seeking God together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And let\u2019s just be clear here that our walk with Christ was never intended to be a solo walk. We all need one another, and we all need to be engaged in community. You\u2019re calling women in this book to say: \u201cLet\u2019s be engaged in one another\u2019s lives,\u201d and \u201cSpiritual transformation is going to be impeded unless we take those steps\u201d; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I often tell women, \u201cYou\u2019re not going to get your <em>major<\/em> discipleship by listening to <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em>\u201d on radio\u2014or <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, for that matter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThese women need somebody who can\u2014who is flesh and blood; who does life with them; who walks with them; who is going to hold their hand through the messes of life; who will <em>be<\/em> there when that crisis call comes, or that husband leaves, or that prodigal child walks away from the Lord\u2014somebody who can look them in the eyes, can love them, can encourage them, can pray with them. I can\u2019t do that for them; you [Dennis] can\u2019t do that for them; Barbara can\u2019t do that for them, but Jesus can as He lives\u2014one woman to another woman \/ life to life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not saying that\u2019s not important for men. Other places in the Scripture talk about that; but here in Titus, Paul specifically, I think, taps into this <em>relational<\/em> wiring of women and says: \u201cThis is how lives are going to be transformed,\u201d and \u201cNo one is exempt from this mission \/ from this calling.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just want to read how the Book of Titus concludes\u2014Chapter 3, verse 4, says, \u201cBut when the goodness and lovingkindness of God our Savior appeared, He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to His own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014here\u2019s the purpose clause of the passage\u2014\u201cso that being justified by His grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works.\u201d We weren\u2019t saved just to get us into heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We were redeemed to be on a mission, here, on this earth. Nancy, you mentioned it earlier\u2014every home needs to be an embassy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEvery member needs to be an ambassador of Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If you walk out of your home this morning\/this afternoon\/tonight\/or tomorrow, you\u2019re stepping out of a threshold of an embassy of the King of kings and Lord of lords; and you\u2019re stepping into a world that is hostile to that, but <em>desperately<\/em> needs you to be an ambassador who fulfills his assignment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, I imagine there are women who have been listening. As we\u2019ve been talking about the need for this engagement and passing on spiritual truth to other women, there is something in their own heart that\u2019s just been stirring. They are going, \u201cYes; I resonate with that.\u201d They should get a copy of the book, <em>Adorned<\/em>. There may be other women, who are thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t know if that\u2019s really for me or not.\u201d They should get a copy of the book, <em>Adorned<\/em>; because this is something for all women\u2014to invest in younger women. It\u2019s a part of the biblical mandate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe, of course, have copies of Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth\u2019s book, <em>Adorned: Living Out the Beauty of the Gospel Together<\/em>. It\u2019s available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. 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I just thought you ought to tell our listeners a little about that and introduce her to our audience today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s a treat to have Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth in the studio with us. Nancy, welcome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you, Bob, and Dennis, and Barbara. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy was a guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for the first time back in 1997. We talked about singleness. Do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I remember being single, and I remember talking about it. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and I looked at each other, afterwards, and said, \u201cShe should be on the radio all the time.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We said, \u201cGod loves you, and <em>we<\/em> have a wonderful plan for your life.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> You did. [Laughter] That\u2019s the way it went. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was a few years later that, after a season of prayer, you sensed that maybe God was opening that door; and FamilyLife was part of helping get that launched. <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em> is heard on more than 500 radio stations across the country, and you\u2019ve been hosting events. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, next fall will be the tenth anniversary of the <em>True Woman<\/em> events. You\u2019ll be hosting an event in the fall of \u201918, and our listeners can find out more about that event if they\u2019d like by going to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ve got information available there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Nancy has written a book called <em>Adorned: Living Out the Beauty of the Gospel Together<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNancy, I just want to start by just asking you for your opinion of what you see happening among women today. What do you think they are struggling with as they try to be God\u2019s woman in the midst of this culture? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s a big question, and there are probably as many different answers as there are women; but I can just speak for my small frame of reference here and say that the <em>good news<\/em> is that I\u2019m finding women are hungry. They\u2019re eager to know God better, to know His Word, to know His ways, and to find out how to be God\u2019s women in the midst of a culture that\u2014they\u2019re having to swim upstream as there is confusion in our culture as to, even, what it means to be a woman\u2014whether there is a difference between men and women and why any of that should matter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you\u2019re having to be countercultural to be <em>God\u2019s<\/em> woman today; and <em>yet<\/em>, there\u2019s an excitement in my heart\u2014and I think in a lot of these women\u2014about how our lives can make a difference \/ can be a <em>light<\/em> in the darkness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we have to deal with <em>our<\/em> issues, and that includes things like busyness. And you find a lot of hurting and broken relationships\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014trauma from\u2014I have a friend\u2014many, probably, but one I\u2019m thinking of at the moment\u2014who was walking through dealing with sexual abuse issues as a child and broken, fractured family issues. Now, this is second, and third, and fourth generation for some of these women. So, there\u2019s not a great idea of or sense of how to live in family \/ how to live in relationship\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014so dealing with the hurt and the pain and the wounds. The good news is the gospel, which says that, through Christ\u2014there\u2019s not a quick-fix for any of this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014but there is <em>hope<\/em> \/ there is grace\u2014not only to have healing for our <em>own<\/em> hearts, but then to be used by God in other\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As I was reading your book, I found it interesting to note that this burden that you have to equip women and to disciple them, really, was placed on your heart as a young lady\u2014as a little girl, really; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had that burden, early on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I did. Well, I had a love for the Lord, and a love for His kingdom, and a desire to <em>serve<\/em> Him in whatever way He would have for me. Now, I have to confess to you that when I first started doing women\u2019s ministry, per se, in my early 20s, I didn\u2019t have a particular burden or heart for women. I actually kind of felt that: \u201cIf God had made me a man, maybe, I could serve Him more effectively.\u201d I didn\u2019t have a <em>vision<\/em> for why God made women in general \/ why He made me a woman in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe talk about those things today\u2014it can sound a little strange\u2014it wasn\u2019t <em>weirdness<\/em>; it was just I didn\u2019t understand the biblical perspective. Actually, it was doing some FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> radio programs, and then doing some writing, and then starting <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em> that God started to unfold for me, in the Scripture, the beauty of what I had <em>seen<\/em> in some other women\u2019s lives\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but a calling to be God\u2019s women in this generation. So, yes, I have had a heart for Christ that, as it has unfolded, has become a heart to serve and love women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That heart for Christ came because you grew up in a family where Jesus Christ was Lord and was modeled before you, not perfectly, but preeminently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Right; my parents were first generation Christians. They came to know the Lord as young adults. They were pretty young in their faith when they started our family. I was born nine months and four days after my parents got married. So, they hadn\u2019t had really much time to develop their philosophy of parenting. FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> didn\u2019t exist, but they loved God\u2019s Word \/ they loved Christ. They said, \u201cWe want a home that is built on the foundation of God\u2019s Word.\u201d They asked the Lord for help, and they got God\u2019s grace to figure out how to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And the point I wanted to make out of that is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I just want to challenge parents\u2014when they look at their little girls\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014their little boys, they need to be challenging them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to be great for Jesus Christ, to love Him preeminently, to serve Him\u2014get a mission to go for it. I don\u2019t think we are challenging our young people to a big enough vision. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYesterday, I talked to a friend on the phone who has kind of a grandma\u2019s camp [for her grandchildren]. She had asked a minister to come to her grandma\u2019s camp to share stories around the campfire of both a young man and a young lady who had been challenged, early on, in their lives to make an impact for Jesus Christ. She brought that friend into her grandchildren\u2019s lives so that they could hear about and get a vision for how a young person can really grow up to make a huge impact in their culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> This thing about a vision for your children is so important. My parents were not content to think that we would just be well-behaved, or stay out of trouble, or be kids who could fit into this world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey wanted for themselves and for us that we would stand out\u2014not because we were weird or odd\u2014but because we <em>loved<\/em> Christ, <em>loved<\/em> His Word, and wanted to be used by God to make a difference in this world and in the kingdom of Christ. That didn\u2019t mean we had to be famous, or be ministers, or Bible teachers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Wherever we were\u2014my dad was a businessman, but he served the Lord as a light\u2014he and my mother. Our home was\u2014Barbara and I have talked about this\u2014was an embassy where we were ambassadors, and serving the Lord, and welcoming people to come and get to know Jesus. We grew up seeing that Jesus really does make a difference in our parents\u2019 lives, and He can make a difference in ours; and God can use us wherever we end up to be instruments of blessing and grace in the lives of others. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, I wonder what you think\u2014because after four decades of marriage and family ministry\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014when you think about ministering to women as a unique group, do you see that as foundational; or do you see that as kind of a subset of broader ministry? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I think it\u2019s foundational; because I think that women play such an important role\u2014because of the family, in marriages with children\u2014even if you don\u2019t have children, you\u2019re around children from time to time. I think it\u2019s very, very crucial that women be taught and trained to have a vision for how their supposed to live and what God might want to do in their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s more important today than it even used to be when I was a young woman; because there is so much confusion, as Nancy was talking about, and women don\u2019t know what they\u2019re supposed to do and not supposed to do. I think they need teaching and guidance more than ever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> You know, one of the sweetest examples of this I ever saw was through Vonette Bright, who, with her husband Bill Bright, cofounded Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014now Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014which FamilyLife is a part of. As Vonette was dying, in the last several weeks of her life, Robert and I went to see her. I put a phone in front of her face and said\u2014I knew Vonette always had a burden for women and for getting women to pray. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; she did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> She used to call me and she\u2019d say, \u201cHoney, you\u2019ve got to do something about getting women to pray.\u201d As she got older and couldn\u2019t do as much herself, she was trying to pass that baton. Well, when I stuck that phone recorder in front of her face, in the last segment of her life, she recorded several moments, just saying, \u201cHoney, I don\u2019t think women <em>get<\/em> the power that they hold \/ the <em>influence<\/em> that they could have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cif <em>they<\/em> would love Christ and get on their knees and pray for this country \/ for this world.\u201d And she said, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to tell them what a difference their lives could make.\u201d I\u2019ve not forgotten that conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Men and women are image-bearers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And as such, they\u2019re to reflect who God is and what He is about, here, on planet earth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Every woman, who is listening to our broadcast\u2014for that matter, every man, every little girl, [and] every little boy, who is listening\u2014ought to begin to grapple with: \u201cWhat does God want me to do in this day for Him?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u201cIt\u2019s not about me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cIt\u2019s not about me.\u201d It\u2019s about: \u201cHow do we take the good news of Jesus Christ\u2014in a relevant way, <em>compassionately<\/em> speak to this broken world\u2014and call people to follow Christ?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy, when the Apostle Paul wrote to his ministry companion, Titus, one of the burdens on his heart for what we\u2019re to do, as followers of Christ, was that we\u2019re to be intentional about transferring faith from one generation to another\u2014not casual but purposeful and intentional. That\u2019s really at the heart of the book that you\u2019ve just written; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; the Book Titus\u2014this is the storyline: Here is this fledgling church on the island of Crete. You\u2019ve got the whole Roman government as the backdrop that hates Christians and wants to get rid of Christians. You\u2019ve got Nero breathing down their neck, threatening to get rid of all of them. How is this little church supposed to survive, much less thrive, much less take the gospel to the world? It\u2019s impossible! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul writes to Titus, his son in the faith. In the first chapter, he says, \u201cYou better make sure that these churches have leaders\u2014elders\/pastors\u2014who are good examples of the gospel and who know how to teach the faith.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, he comes to Chapter 2. He says to men, to women, to older people, to younger people\u2014to each demographic: \u201cThis is what the gospel looks like on you,\u201d\u2014the relational dimension there of saying, \u201cOlder women,\u201d\u2014now, you can decide if you are older of younger\u2014but we\u2019re all an older woman to somebody; and we\u2019re all a younger woman to somebody else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cOlder women, you are supposed to model the gospel. You\u2019re supposed to be reverent in behavior, not to be slanderers with your tongue. You\u2019re not to be slaves to too much wine. This is what the gospel looks like on you.\u201d Then, he says: \u201cIt\u2019s not just enough for you to live it. You\u2019re supposed to <em>teach<\/em> it to the younger women. You\u2019re supposed to be actively involved\u2014life to life, relationship to relationship, woman to woman.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t think Paul was envisioning women with, you know, PowerPoint presentations and pulling out their commentaries and being formal teachers of the Word. There are some of those, and that\u2019s <em>great<\/em>; but I think he was saying, \u201cThis is something <em>every<\/em> woman in the body of Christ is to aspire to\u201d\u2014to live the gospel out in practical ways that affect us in the four walls of our homes, in the ways we talk, in the ways we think. And then, we\u2019re supposed to be passing that legacy \/ that baton of faith on to the women of the next generation. There is no Plan \u201cB\u201d for how the gospel is to go forward in our world into the next generation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy, I think about that handoff that you are talking about; and I think there are some women, and some men, who are not really well-equipped to make the handoff because their holding the baton to loosely themselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014or they\u2019ve dropped it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right; I think there are others, who are thinking, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get this perfect before I can talk to anybody else.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Then, we\u2019re all out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, help us understand: \u201cAre there qualifications? Are there things that women need to know?\u2014\u2018I shouldn\u2019t be trying to influence the next generation until I get my act together\u2019; but then, how far does your act have to get together before you start influencing the next generation?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Listen, we\u2019re in this journey together. This is a relay race. We\u2019re passing the baton from one hand to the other; and there is a point at which both hands are on that baton in that relay race. We\u2019re not just teaching out of, \u201cHere\u2019s how I did this <em>well<\/em>.\u201d We\u2019re teaching, also, out of our failure \/ out of what we wish we had done differently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> You know, Paul talks to these older women\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014he says, \u201cTeach the younger women to <em>love<\/em> their husbands.\u201d That\u2019s the first qualification or the first part of this curriculum. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I can imagine a woman, who has had a failed marriage, saying, \u201cI can\u2019t do that!\u201d Well, yes, you can! You can teach out of what God has taught <em>you<\/em> on this journey, as you\u2019ve humbled yourself\u2014as you\u2019ve dealt with the pain, or the shame, or the guilt\u2014or whatever was involved in that situation. You can caution; you can warn. You can warn this young woman, who is dating a guy who is not a believer, and say: \u201cWhoa! I did that! Here\u2019s my life message about this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of us are teaching out of our own lives, with the Word of God in our hands. We\u2019re not experts in it, but we\u2019re getting to know it. We\u2019re learning it together, and we\u2019re <em>growing<\/em> together in what it looks like to live as a woman of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And Barbara, I would think there would be some women, who just ought to have a check if they are thinking: \u201cBoy, let me at them. I\u2019ve got a lot that I can share with these younger women.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey should probably pull back and cultivate a little more humility before they start talking. [Laughter] And those women, who would say, \u201cBoy, I\u2019m not sure I\u2019ve got anything to share,\u201d\u2014they\u2019re probably ready to share. They just need the equipping and the encouraging to move forward; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And what I think that illustrates, in your question, is that we all need to be led by the Holy Spirit\u2014because if we\u2019re listening to Him, if we\u2019re willing to go where He sends us and to talk to the people He puts in front of us, and we\u2019re willing to share what He has done in our lives\u2014then, we\u2019re probably not going to go overboard in one direction or the other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I think you\u2019re right. We do get caught up in: \u201cAm I capable? Do I have enough to say?\u201d and that\u2019s not the question. The question is: \u201cWhat is God calling me to do? Who has He put in my path?\u201d and \u201cWhat has He done in my life that I need to share with others that can benefit them?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to go back to the story of the grandma who had Mimi\u2019s Camp and brought in a minister to tell the stories to these kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And one interesting thing about this woman\u2014because I know who she is\u2014she\u2019s divorced. She had a really painful, painful divorce experience. She could have withdrawn and said: \u201cI don\u2019t have anything to offer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d Instead, she is <em>so<\/em> passionately investing in her grandchildren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s on a mission. That\u2019s what I was going to share\u2014I was going to say, \u201cThis woman, who has got a message\u2014that message came out of brokenness.\u201d I mean, out of something she thought she\u2019d never have to deal with, as a woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are probably listeners, <em>right now<\/em>, who have got their own mess. They\u2019re wondering, \u201cBut God can\u2019t use me.\u201d The message you need to be hearing is that God delights in taking broken vessels and letting His light shine through those cracks in the clay pot. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That becomes part of your life message. That failure, that defeat, that disappointment becomes a stepping stone to greater fruitfulness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tListen, if we\u2019re not ministering out of some level of brokenness and humility, probably, no one\u2019s going to want to hear what we have to say; because they\u2019re going to look at us and say: \u201cYou\u2019re just this amazing woman. I could never walk with the Lord like you do.\u201d We need to share honestly with them: \u201cLook, here is how I have struggled \/ how I do struggle. Here is how I\u2019m tempted, but this is how God gives me grace to deal with that.\u201d We\u2019re walking <em>together<\/em> in this, as very needy pilgrims, seeking God together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And let\u2019s just be clear here that our walk with Christ was never intended to be a solo walk. We all need one another, and we all need to be engaged in community. You\u2019re calling women in this book to say: \u201cLet\u2019s be engaged in one another\u2019s lives,\u201d and \u201cSpiritual transformation is going to be impeded unless we take those steps\u201d; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I often tell women, \u201cYou\u2019re not going to get your <em>major<\/em> discipleship by listening to <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em>\u201d on radio\u2014or <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, for that matter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThese women need somebody who can\u2014who is flesh and blood; who does life with them; who walks with them; who is going to hold their hand through the messes of life; who will <em>be<\/em> there when that crisis call comes, or that husband leaves, or that prodigal child walks away from the Lord\u2014somebody who can look them in the eyes, can love them, can encourage them, can pray with them. I can\u2019t do that for them; you [Dennis] can\u2019t do that for them; Barbara can\u2019t do that for them, but Jesus can as He lives\u2014one woman to another woman \/ life to life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not saying that\u2019s not important for men. Other places in the Scripture talk about that; but here in Titus, Paul specifically, I think, taps into this <em>relational<\/em> wiring of women and says: \u201cThis is how lives are going to be transformed,\u201d and \u201cNo one is exempt from this mission \/ from this calling.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just want to read how the Book of Titus concludes\u2014Chapter 3, verse 4, says, \u201cBut when the goodness and lovingkindness of God our Savior appeared, He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to His own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014here\u2019s the purpose clause of the passage\u2014\u201cso that being justified by His grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works.\u201d We weren\u2019t saved just to get us into heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We were redeemed to be on a mission, here, on this earth. Nancy, you mentioned it earlier\u2014every home needs to be an embassy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEvery member needs to be an ambassador of Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If you walk out of your home this morning\/this afternoon\/tonight\/or tomorrow, you\u2019re stepping out of a threshold of an embassy of the King of kings and Lord of lords; and you\u2019re stepping into a world that is hostile to that, but <em>desperately<\/em> needs you to be an ambassador who fulfills his assignment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, I imagine there are women who have been listening. As we\u2019ve been talking about the need for this engagement and passing on spiritual truth to other women, there is something in their own heart that\u2019s just been stirring. They are going, \u201cYes; I resonate with that.\u201d They should get a copy of the book, <em>Adorned<\/em>. There may be other women, who are thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t know if that\u2019s really for me or not.\u201d They should get a copy of the book, <em>Adorned<\/em>; because this is something for all women\u2014to invest in younger women. It\u2019s a part of the biblical mandate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe, of course, have copies of Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth\u2019s book, <em>Adorned: Living Out the Beauty of the Gospel Together<\/em>. It\u2019s available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. 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