{"id":300113,"date":"2018-01-11T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-01-11T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/taking-up-christs-yoke\/"},"modified":"2024-10-07T22:41:18","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T02:41:18","slug":"taking-up-christs-yoke","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/taking-up-christs-yoke\/","title":{"rendered":"Taking Up Christ&#8217;s Yoke"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hannah Anderson and Barbara Rainey talk about the need for humility as they seek to live within the boundaries God has drawn for them.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2018-01-11.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:25:28","filesize":"23.31M","filesize_raw":"24446144","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2853,2822],"tags":[4008,4181,4182,4183,4180,2607],"podcast_series":[7184],"cwp_profile":[8812],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-300113","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-frazzled-family","category-growing-in-your-faith","tag-anxiety","tag-humble","tag-humility","tag-obedience","tag-peace","tag-stress","podcast_series-humble-roots","cwp_profile-hannah-anderson","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/300113\/taking-up-christs-yoke","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/300113\/taking-up-christs-yoke","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Rl1zu1SYEw\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/taking-up-christs-yoke\/\">Taking Up Christ&#8217;s Yoke<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/taking-up-christs-yoke\/embed\/#?secret=Rl1zu1SYEw\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Taking Up Christ&#8217;s Yoke&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"Rl1zu1SYEw\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Hannah Anderson says she remembers when she started understanding what it meant to follow Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> The Scripture says that He humbled Himself\u2014He took on the form of human being\u2014He humbled Himself becoming <em>obedient<\/em> to the point of death, even the death on a cross. So, suddenly, that opened up my understanding of what humility was. It wasn\u2019t just saying certain phrases, or deflecting praise, or being quiet\u2014it was living within the boundaries that God had ordained for my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, January 11<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk about the relationship between humility and finding rest today with our guest, Hannah Anderson. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. As I\u2019ve talked with couples over the years, one of the things I\u2019ve said is there is a verse in Philippians that I think, if couples could learn how to apply it in marriage, it would solve about 95 percent of their marriage issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have said this repeatedly, and I agree with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s the verse that says, \u201cDo nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility regard one another as more important than yourself.\u201d Now, the thing is\u2014trying to regard another person as more important than yourself\u2014that can almost become a performance goal for people that can put them right back under a yolk of slavery. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It can; and that passage goes on to say, \u201cLet each of you look not only to his own interests but also to the interest of others.\u201d Now, the question is: \u201cHow do you do that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, verse 5 tells you that\u2014it\u2019s the mind of Christ \/ you have to have the Spirit of Christ to empower you to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. It says, \u201cHave this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who,\u201d\u2014speaking of Christ\u2014\u201cthough He was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made Himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If those verses are not highlighted in your Bible, you need to go get it out and highlight it. Even if you haven\u2019t highlighted anything in your Bible, just go highlight those verses today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re talking with Hannah Anderson this week, and we brought Barbara into the studio because she\u2019s actually the one who brought this book to the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> She brought Hannah into the studio. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She did; she sure did. Welcome back, Sweetie. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Thanks. I\u2019m glad to be here and enjoy this conversation with you; because I loved Hannah\u2019s book, and we\u2019re glad to have her back. So, welcome back today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> I am thrilled to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Name of the book is <em>Humble Roots<\/em>. And I have to tell you, Hannah\u2014I didn\u2019t tell you this earlier\u2014but evidently, you have been impacted by a book that impacted me, early in my Christian faith. It\u2019s not that I no longer have a pride problem; in fact, I think of the great quote by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn\u2014he says, \u201cPride grows on the human heart like lard on a pig.\u201d [Laughter] We all struggle with pride; but I read a book, early on, in my Christian walk by Andrew Murray called <em>Humility: The Beauty of Holiness<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt just points out that humility is\u2014at the very core, not only of how you become a Christian in surrendering to Christ\u2014but ultimately, how you become <em>like<\/em> Christ as you walk with Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEarlier, we were reading Matthew, Chapter 11, where Jesus makes a profound invitation and command. He says, \u201cCome to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and\u201d\u2014He promises\u2014\u201cI will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me. For I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My load is light.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve already talked about, Hannah, how Jesus bids us come to Him. He is alive \/ He defeated death\u2014He can make that invitation today. Secondly, He commands us to take His yolk on us, which is surrendering to Him\u2014His command \/ under His leadership\u2014and then, He says to us, \u201cLearn from Me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really what your book is about\u2014<em>learning<\/em> the humility of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Yes. As we have talked about already, this verse in Matthew 11 became a lifeline for me in the midst of feeling overwrought, and anxious, and burdened just by good things in my life and lacking peace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first step I had to take was really submitting myself to God\u2019s transcendence \/ His lordship, but the next step was I had to <em>learn<\/em> humility\u2014that is part of what He calls us to. I don\u2019t know that I ever understood humility as something that you learn or grow into. Quite frankly, I don\u2019t know that I ever really understood it well at all. It\u2019s something that we talk about \/ it\u2019s something we know we should have, but we don\u2019t really know <em>what<\/em> the Scripture is talking about when it calls us to humility. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI am so glad that you mentioned Andrew Murray\u2019s book; because, without that book, <em>Humble Roots <\/em>would not exist. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was <em>very<\/em> important framing for me\u2014to understand humility as <em>core<\/em> to a Christian walk \/ core to the nature of Christ, Himself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, what is humility? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Humility is rightly understanding who God has made us to be. It is not thinking of ourselves <em>lower<\/em> than who God has made us to be, and it\u2019s not thinking of ourselves <em>higher<\/em> than who God has made us to be. I think, a lot of times, we\u2019re tempted to think of a humble person as someone who is self-deprecating, or they turn away praise, or they have kind of a complex of their own sinfulness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014or they have a reserved personality that\u2019s kind of shy \/ kind of behind the scenes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> The wallflower\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> \u2014that\u2019s the humble person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, a person like me, who\u2019s gregarious \/ you know, out-front\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I had a few words, but I\u2019ll leave\u2014gregarious is a good one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad you did, Bob. [Laughter] But I\u2019ve never had anybody come up and say, \u201cYou have a personality of humility,\u201d\u2014no; it\u2019s not that. You write humility isn\u2019t a personality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> No; it isn\u2019t\u2014it is an identity \/ it\u2019s a way of being in the world. I don\u2019t think I understood this until I actually pressed into the Scripture and saw how the Scripture defines humility. So, in this passage in Matthew, Christ says, \u201cLearn from Me for I am meek and lowly.\u201d That word, \u201clowly,\u201d is the word, \u201chumble\u201d; right?\u2014meek and humble. I started thinking: \u201cWell, how does Christ display humility? What would it mean if Christ is humble?\u2014and if Christ is humble, then, it can\u2019t be linked to my sinfulness\u2014because I <em>know<\/em> that Christ was <em>not<\/em> sinful. So, humility has to be something else.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat sent me to Philippians 2, the passage that you read at the beginning of the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere, in Paul\u2019s writing in Philippians 2, he tells us what Christ\u2019s humility looked like. One of the key elements of Christ\u2019s humility was that He was willing to live within the boundaries that God had ordained for His earthly life. The Scripture says that He humbled Himself\u2014He took on the form of a human being\u2014He humbled Himself becoming <em>obedient<\/em> to the point of death, even the death on a cross. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSuddenly, that opened up my understanding of what humility was. It wasn\u2019t just saying certain phrases, or deflecting praise, or being quiet. It was living within the boundaries that God had ordained for my life\u2014whether those were physical boundaries of having a physical body that needed to eat, and sleep, and rest, and needed to take Sabbath\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014whether that was the boundaries of my energy \/ the boundaries of my ability to influence people. Those were boundaries that God had ordained for me; and to be humble was to embrace the fact that I was limited\u2014I was the creature, not the Creator. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and your husband live in rural Virginia. You\u2019re in an economically-depressed part of the country. I\u2019m sure it would be easy to look at people, who are pastoring suburban churches that are thriving, and to think: \u201cThat\u2019s the platform I need. That\u2019s where I ought to be.\u201d A part of humility is to say: \u201cThat\u2019s not my call to make. I need to be where Jesus has put me.\u201d Have you guys had to wrestle with the intentionality of where you are and why you are there? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> One of the greatest lessons that my husband and I have learned is to look at the scope of our life\u2014of how God has been calling, and ordaining, and placing us from the very beginning. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBoth my husband and I grew up in rural settings, in small country churches\u2014it is part of who we are. He has ordained certain traits for who we are\u2014He has given us certain giftings \/ certain personalities. Over the course of His sovereign choice to make us who we are \/ to give us the experiences that we\u2019ve had, He has directed us and then called us to exactly where we are supposed to be and made us and equipped us to be in that space. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we could fight against that; and it\u2019s kind of like the piece of clay saying to the potter: \u201cWhy have you made me this way? Why have you chosen these things? Why have you given me these passions? Why have you given me these spaces?\u201d But peace comes from saying: \u201cThis is exactly what You wanted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThis is exactly the plan You have given me for my life, and I will live faithfully in that place where you have placed me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we are in a rural church\u2014probably have about 70 on a Sunday morning. Sometimes, when we are on vacation, we\u2019ll be at a different type of church or a larger church; and there is always the temptation to say: \u201cOh, okay; is that what I\u2019m supposed to be doing? Is that what success looks like?\u201d But coming back to this belief that God ordains \/ that God is the One who writes the story\u2014and we simply submit ourselves to the calling He has\u2014frees us, then, to flourish in spaces that maybe other people wouldn\u2019t feel like they could flourish in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Influence, though, over a congregation of 70\u2014there has to be a part of you going: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWe should be influencing more than just 70 people every week. How kingdom effective can this be if all we\u2019re doing is touching 70 people once a week?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Well, my husband and I have wrestled with that \/ we\u2019ve talked about that. He has regularly said to me, \u201cThese souls matter to God.\u201d Even as we look at rural communities, where churches are not thriving\u2014it is no secret that churches are dying in rural communities\u2014it would be easy to flee those spaces; but they are people made in God\u2019s image who need pastoring, who need soul care, who need the truth of the Scripture. It\u2019s really not up to us to say where the orders send us; you know? We get our commissioning from Christ, and He works with our desires and with our hearts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe unites this beautiful vocation for us, as individuals, that will call us both to His glory and our own good; and quite frankly, I believe my husband and I were <em>made<\/em> for these spaces. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Barbara, I was telling you earlier how my husband and I met in college. One of the first things we connected around was the fact that he knew what spring peepers were. Now, I grew up in a rural setting; he grew up in a rural setting. I went off to college in the big city, and it was springtime. I was feeling very nostalgic and kind of homesick; and I would tell my friends, \u201cI miss the spring peepers.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, I\u2019m going to find out if Bob knows what a spring peeper is. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m just sitting here, thinking about Peeps, because they come out in the spring. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014in the spring \/ in a box, and they\u2019re yellow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I\u2019m imagining there may be some connection between the little marshmallow chickens and the spring peepers you\u2019re talking about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> If you gave that answer\u2014that would be the answer that every one of my new friends gave and absolutely decimated my soul, because that is <em>not<\/em> what spring peepers are. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> A swing and a miss! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Continue on with your story, back with Barbara. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014now that your soul is decimated again. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> I was homesick, and all I wanted to do was hear the tree frogs that are in Appalachia. They live in the creeks and the ponds, and they start singing in March. You <em>know<\/em> spring is coming when you drive down\u2014you roll down your window, and you hear them for the first time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI run into this young man, who is from Virginia, and I say, \u201cOh, I miss the spring peepers.\u201d He <em>immediately<\/em>, within seconds, responds: \u201cI <em>know<\/em>. I love those tree frogs.\u201d God, in ordaining our separate paths\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that fun? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> \u2014brought us together\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014around spring peepers. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The power of the tree frog to bring a husband and a wife together; wow! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> But it was our <em>shared<\/em> backgrounds that God ordained to bring us together; and, I believe, to ultimately place us in a community that He had prepared us for <em>long<\/em> before we ever knew that\u2019s where we would be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And back to this subject of humility, I just want to remind our listeners where you get that; because you don\u2019t get it by looking inward\u2014you look outward and upward. It\u2019s back to a quote that I\u2019m increasingly making, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> because I think it\u2019s at the core of an attempt to walk with Jesus Christ. It\u2019s by Tozer, who said, \u201cThe most important thing about you is what you think about God.\u201d Now, why is that?\u2014because it\u2019s only as you see God for who He is you\u2019ll rightly evaluate who you are. Hannah said that at the beginning of the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if you want to know how to get humility, you don\u2019t try to search your soul to try to press it down and make it less. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou look upward to find out who He is and how He made you\u2014and that\u2019s a great illustration of what you\u2019ve just gave about how He made you\u2014and be preoccupied with who He is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s the fascinating thing about Philippians 2\u2014is we have this extended passage talking about Christ\u2019s humility and how He became a servant. Often, we want to inject ourselves into that passage and talk about being Christ\u2019s hands and feet on this earth; or we\u2019re going to incarnate our lives the same way Christ was incarnated; but in that passage, <em>we<\/em> aren\u2019t Christ \/ we aren\u2019t in this passage; but it\u2019s in the verses that we haven\u2019t read yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is verse 9: \u201cTherefore God has highly exalted Him\u201d\u2014Christ\u2014\u201cand bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re in that passage, face down, on our knees before Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the Messiah complex\u2014we subtly slip into it when we begin to think of ourselves as Jesus rather than ourselves <em>worshipping<\/em> Jesus, who has been high and lifted up. As we long for humility to take root in our soul\u2014as you said, Dennis\u2014the only way that happens is by seeing Christ for who He is; and we are humbled because we see <em>Him<\/em> high and lifted up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, as you were talking about learning from Christ what humility looks like, my mind immediately went to the moment in the Garden of Gethsemane, where He was pouring out His heart to the Father about what was coming. He ended His prayer with humility, \u201cNot My will, Thy will be done,\u201d in the high priestly prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRight before that, He said, \u201cI glorified You on earth having accomplished the work that You gave Me to do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJesus was <em>never<\/em> self-directed\u2014He lived a life that was continually connected to what God had called Him to do. And to find the rest that Jesus is talking about, when He says: \u201cCome to Me all you who are weary and heavy laden. I\u2019ll give you rest,\u201d\u2014we find that rest when we are living our lives in obedience to what God\u2019s called <em>us<\/em> to do and not bringing our own agenda in and saying, \u201cBut I\u2019d like this, and this, and this, and this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Yes; and it\u2019s counterintuitive, because we see Christ living in complete submission to the Father; but He also lived the fullest, most abundant human life that ever existed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn [the Book of] John, He also tells us He comes to bring us life and to bring it more abundantly than we\u2019ve ever known. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo often, when we talk about surrendering to the Father\u2014submitting to the Father\u2019s will\/ relinquishing control\u2014we can easily slip into this fear that, if we do that, our lives will somehow be <em>less<\/em>\u2014we won\u2019t be as happy as we might have been; we won\u2019t be as productive as we might have been; we won\u2019t be as at peace as we might have been. The opposite is true\u2014not only did Christ come to earth to be obedient to death\u2014He came to be obedient to <em>life<\/em> and to show us what it means to live the fully-formed peace-filled existence that God intends for us, as human beings. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I really agree with that; because I think the longer I walk in the Christian life, the more I\u2019m realizing that it\u2019s that interrelationship that I have with Christ that is what people see. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we are going to make a difference in the world in which we live, it\u2019s not by how much we accomplish; but it\u2019s more the life that we live with Christ in our hearts that can shine out that people can see. It\u2019s that relationship with Him\u2014that\u2019s what attracted me to Christ, as a college student. I saw students who were different than me, and it was because they had Christ. So, the more I love Him, and follow Him, and serve Him, and become like Him\u2014the more the world can, therefore, be changed by my relationship with Him\u2014not so much by the things I do to impact the world directly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And really, the way we ultimately rightly relate to God\u2014I\u2019m going to take us back to what we talked about earlier on the broadcast\u2014it\u2019s surrender. In Romans, Chapter 12, verse 1\u2014it says: \u201cI appeal therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDo not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople who are listening to our broadcast, right now, and wanting the will of God without the surrender\u2014it\u2019s just a wish; but if you want a reality, surrender. Maybe, get down on your knees and yield to Almighty God\u2014say, \u201cOkay, God,\u201d\u2014just as Jesus did\u2014\u201cnot my will, but Your will be done.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s really at the heart of what Hannah has written about in the book, <em>Humble Roots<\/em>, which is a book that we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online if you\u2019d like to order a copy, and I\u2019d encourage you to do it\u2014particularly if you are looking for help with anxiety and stress and all of the pressures of life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you want to find rest in the midst of that, read Hannah\u2019s book. I think you\u2019ll find it very helpful. You can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can also order by calling 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I think sometimes, when we have conversations like the one we\u2019ve had today, there are some listeners, who hear this conversation \/ something that we\u2019ve talked about is a significant shift for them in their thinking. I can think of the number of times when I\u2019ve been listening to something; and I go: \u201cOh, yes; I haven\u2019t thought of it that way. I need to recalibrate and think of it that way.\u201d It\u2019s those pivots \/ those shifts that can make the difference between how a family functions or the dysfunction that happens in a marriage and in a family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat daily recalibration of our hearts and our minds is what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis radio program, along with the other programs that FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> produces\u2014things like <em>FamilyLife Blended<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> and the <em>Real FamilyLife<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> feature that is heard on some of these stations\u2014all that we\u2019re doing with these programs is designed with one goal in mind; and that is, to effectively develop godly marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know some of you, who listen regularly\u2014you\u2019ve heard us talk about this mission \/ this goal\u2014and you\u2019ve said, \u201cThat\u2019s something we believe in.\u201d I know that because some of you are monthly Legacy Partners and some of you will, from time to time, make a donation in support of the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You\u2019re helping us reach more people more often with practical biblical help and hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a long-time listener but you\u2019ve never donated to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, let\u2019s make today the day you join the team. It\u2019s easy to do\u2014you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and make an online donation; or if you are interested in becoming a Legacy Partner, there is information available at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also call to donate: 1-800-FL-TODAY; or just ask about becoming a Legacy Partner when you call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue our conversation about finding rest for our souls with our guest this week, Hannah Anderson. She\u2019ll be back with us again tomorrow. 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