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I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Tell us about your grandma.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I was named after her.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Faye. She was my hero, actually.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I know. That\u2019s why I knew this would be an easy tee-up.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She was strong, but she was loving. She seemed like she came from\u2014she was raised on a ranch in Montana. She rode her horse to school every day.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: She was a tough woman.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She was tough, but man, she spoiled me [Laughter] and spoiled all her grandkids. I really loved her, and I related a lot to her. Why are you asking me about grandmother?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, we have the Grays back with us. Rechab and Brittany are back in the studio, and I know we\u2019re going to talk about Rechab\u2019s grandma. I\u2019ve never met her, but I know her name: Annie Mae.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: What did you call her?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: I just called her \u201cGrandma.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You did?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But what would make you write about her?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: So much!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Really?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, so much. My grandma was the one who shared the gospel with me the first time.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: How old were you?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: I was four years old.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Whoa, and you remember it?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: And I still remember it. I remember it\u2014one of the few memories I have of four.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Brittany, have you ever met? Did you ever have a chance to meet his grandma?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Have you met?<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: I have. Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: She loves her. She loves her.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, she\u2019s still living.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes, she\u2019s still living.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: She\u2019s still living.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: In Louisiana. Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So you know her well.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: One of the first times I went to Rechab\u2019s home when we were\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: [Laughter] \u2014oh, that is crazy!<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014just friends\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014we were just friends, and I visited his house, and his grandma was there. She was the sweetest. She loved me. His family has always welcomed me, just immediately.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s sweet.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: But she was so sweet. She loved me, and I loved her. [Laughter] There\u2019s a funny story behind it; that\u2019s why we\u2019re laughing. She doesn\u2019t mince words. She says what she needs to say.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is my grandmother!<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes; so, she made it known that she liked me, that she appreciated me, and I loved that. That was so fun at that time when we were \u201cjust friends,\u201d I say in quotes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: The funny story is, I was talking to this other girl\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: This other girl?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, I was talking to this other girl.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes, he was talking to that other girl.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: And we were just cool. We were really just friends. We were just friends, but I had the other young lady over, and grandma just kept saying, \u201cHey, where\u2019s Brittany?\u201d [Laughter] \u201cBrittany? Is she calling you?\u201d And the whole time I\u2019m trying to talk over my grandma, so nobody else hears it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She knew.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: She didn\u2019t like the other girl.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She knew. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: She really did. She knew before we did.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She\u2019s protecting her girl, Brittany. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But I think this is really important to talk about, because there are a lot of grandparents listening who don\u2019t even understand the impact that we can make as grandparents.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: We think, \u201cOh, we\u2019re done parenting.\u201d No. We can still have an impact on our grandkids. And there are a lot of families that are listening, that maybe your parents aren\u2019t as involved with your kids\u2019 lives, and maybe they should be, or can be, if they\u2019re healthy people that won\u2019t be negative with your kids. But it\u2019s about legacy, and it sounds like your grandmother, Annie Mae, had quite the legacy and has quite the legacy.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Tell us about her.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes. It was crazy, because I got a chance to learn her story later on, but my grandma was not always a believer. She had a rough divorce, and she hung around with\u2014she\u2019s strong, she\u2019s all of that, but when she came to Christ, everything was about Christ. Everything was about Jesus, everything. She was Pentecostal, so we couldn\u2019t even play cards, because that was like gambling, you know what I mean? All of that.<\/p>\n<p>But four years old, she had all of us young ones around, and she shared the gospel clear as day. She told us God created the world; Adam and Eve sinned; we are all sinners because of them; if we die right now, we\u2019re going to go to hell because we don\u2019t know Jesus. But if we trust in Jesus Christ, we will live with Him forever. That was her simple gospel presentation.<\/p>\n<p>That day, I knew what she said was true. I knew what she said was true. I didn\u2019t entrust myself to Christ, but I trusted what she was saying about Christ. That\u2019s why faith is a strange thing. It\u2019s not just about recognizing it\u2019s true. That\u2019s why James says, \u201cThe demons believe and tremble.\u201d But it\u2019s about entrusting yourself to Him, surrendering your life to Him as Lord; and that happened later, at 14.<\/p>\n<p>But when I made that decision at 14, I remembered four. Four years old never left me. My grandmother was not just one who talked the talk, but she walked the walk. She lived a life of holiness; she really walked with the Lord. I\u2019ll never forget her fat King James Bible [Laughter] that she would always have, and she was always reading it, always quoting it.<\/p>\n<p>She was just a true example of someone who didn\u2019t have a lot, and who didn\u2019t, according to people\u2019s standards, know a lot; but she gave a lot from what she did have and what she did know. She\u2019s still giving. We just went there a few years ago, and I don\u2019t know if you want to share about the impact she had on your life that one trip when we were in Memphis. I don\u2019t know if you want to share.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: How old is she now?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: She\u2019s celebrating 80 coming up. Yes, yes. It was four years ago we went to Memphis; maybe three years ago, yes. Do you want to share about that?<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes. We visited Annie Mae. This was right at the tail end of Covid, I guess, where it\u2019s just starting to get traveling out there again. I distinctly remember, she had been through some tragedy. She had a house fire; so, she lost her home\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u2014her home of 40 years.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Paid off.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Completely gone?<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Completely owned the land.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, completely gone.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Completely paid off home; a house fire that destroyed the home, so she was living in an apartment complex, a new neighborhood. She hadn\u2019t been there for very long, but we pulled up to her apartment, and we\u2019re like, \u201cOh, this is where Grandma lives. Okay. This is different.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We get out of the car, and one of the neighbors starts talking to us, and she says, \u201cOh, have a blessed day.\u201d She said, \u201cAnnie Mae taught me that.\u201d She didn\u2019t even know we were going to Annie Mae\u2019s house. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Come on!<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: It was just the sweetest thing. She had no clue why we were there. She\u2019s just out amongst the neighbors, and she just blessed my day, and Annie Mae showed her that. It was just a beautiful insight of how Grandma Annie impacted, so quickly, her neighbors and those around her.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: That was a dark season for you, because we were just coming out of everything.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes. That was the end of the roller coaster for us we had gone through. So, we had a daughter in the hospital, and we moved; then, I had my youngest daughter, and then I was going through some post-partum [depression] during Covid season, which was really hard. Our friends lived hours and hours away, so we were very isolated from pretty much everyone.<\/p>\n<p>So, it was a very, very dark season for me emotionally. And we had been through some church trauma [that] we were still dealing with. So, being with Annie Mae for those few days opened my eyes to gratitude and an appreciation that I had not felt in a long time.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s really sweet.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Her love\u2014she cooked the whole grocery store for us, you iknow? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: For sure.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s the way she loved you.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: She showed us all the love she could. She opened her door to us and made us [welcome], in a new place where she didn\u2019t have all the same trappings that she had before, but she allowed us to still stay there.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s what I mean. That\u2019s when you see Jesus in us, when our circumstances are anything but ideal\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014when we\u2019ve gone through our own loss. Think about the loss that was for her, but she still opened her home\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014yes, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014served you, loves you; serves and sees her neighbors.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I remember I used to tell the Detroit Lions\u2019 wives\u2014these women are mostly in their 20s, some 30s, and they\u2019re hoping that their husbands are going to be traded or drafted somewhere great, [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014not Detroit!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Somewhere maybe in California\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014maybe in Florida.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014anywhere!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But when you hear, \u201cWe\u2019re drafted, and we\u2019re going to live in the winter, in Detroit, Michigan,\u201d they\u2019re coming in depressed.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: That\u2019s funny.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But I remember saying to them: \u201cIt is no accident that you\u2019re here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And for your grandmother, it\u2019s no accident. It\u2019s tragic what happened, but God is saying in all of our circumstances: \u201cI know that you\u2019re in these circumstances.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What I used to say to them [was], \u201cThere\u2019s somebody here that\u2019s going to impact you. Keep your eyes open. And there\u2019s somebody that you will impact here, so keep your heart open.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: That\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It seems like she did that, like she wasn\u2019t a victim of her circumstances.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She rose above those because of the power of Christ in her.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Absolutely, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: I shared that because it was only her glad service\u2014her hospitality\u2014that gave us\u2014we both were driving home from there, quiet, because, again, this was a dark season. My wife had never\u2014again, she was always the stabilizer.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: This was a deep darkness I had never seen her go through. I remember turning to her. I said, \u201cIf you could put in one word what you\u2019re feeling right now, and what you feel like the Lord is saying to you, in one word, what would that word be?\u201d I had my word, and it ended up being the exact same word as hers; and it was the word \u201cgratitude.\u201d Gratitude is not born out of circumstances or situations.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: It\u2019s born out of a deep understanding that I\u2019ve already been included in the greatest story ever, and my grandma so, so embodied that.<\/p>\n<p>Even knowing that what she was telling me was the truth at four years old, I would have never been able to understand it, but now I know it is because, when she said it, there was a breadth of conviction that came behind it that is undeniable. As I grew up, my appreciation started to just grow for her. She was always there to just call, and prays still to this day, like \u201cHey, what\u2019s going on with y\u2019all?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So sweet.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u201cWhere are you guys at? What are you all doing? How\u2019s ministry going?\u201d I remember the first time she got a chance to hear me preach in person was in Des Moines, Iowa, out of all places. [Laughter] So, here\u2019s this black, down South grandma in the middle of Des Moines, Iowa, at a church that ain\u2019t used to down south Pentecostals, you know what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Did she \u201camen\u201d you and everything?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Oh, it ain\u2019t even just \u201camen.\u201d [Laughter] She is talking the whole time.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: The whole sermon.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u201cPreach, son. Preach, son! Preach, grandbaby.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes. Oh, I love\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u2014she\u2019s going in! But what was crazy (perfect unity) is all the people who had lay dormant for so long, now they start talking. At first, they were watching; now, they\u2019re talking because there\u2019s something in them, too, that wanted that. But until you have to rub shoulders with difference, you don\u2019t realize that that\u2019s a part of your sanctification, too. This is something you\u2019ve been wanting to do for so long, so it\u2019s like she unlocked something in them.<\/p>\n<p>And truly, from that day at that church, that church became more responsive, and I always go back to that Sunday when she was in the audience. I look at it, and I say, \u201cMan, the impact that you can have not by trying to do something, not by trying to be a minister, but just being a lover of Jesus!\u201d She just proved that to us, and a part of the reason why I\u2019m so adamant about bringing her story up is just because, I feel like the voices we listen to the most are oftentimes the voices that can theorize about it, but haven\u2019t lived it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: And my goodness, when I talk about living it! The racism she had to face, but serving, and you would never know her story and the depth of pain she\u2019s experienced, the names she\u2019s been called, the pain she\u2019s gone through. You would never understand it, because her smile is greater than her suffering.<\/p>\n<p>You think about the pain of divorce and all of that, especially down south, like the stigmas and all the stuff that comes with it; you just would never know, because again, the blessing of Jesus is greater than the bitterness against her other husband. It's like she found a greater Groom, and so there\u2019s so much in her story that\u2019s like if we want to learn from a teacher, why would it not be somebody like Annie Mae who can teach us the real walk of being a follower of Jesus Christ?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: As you were talking about her, with her house burning down, and then this, the circumstances that she\u2019s endured; and yet, she continues to be joyful, I was thinking of James 1:2: \u201cConsider it pure joy,\u201d pure joy, \u201cmy brothers and sisters whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance, and let perseverance finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking in nothing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes. Come on.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That sounds like her, mature and complete, Regardless of her circumstances, her joy comes deep within from her walk with Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Can I say one word about that passage, because that\u2019s so powerfully a portrait of her?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And we know you wouldn\u2019t have to look at it to read it. [Laughter] We know you have it memorized, but we have to look it up in the Scriptures.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I have that memorized, but I could never do that, even on the air, I don\u2019t think. Go ahead, lay it out for us.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: The whole thing?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: No, for sure not; but portions of it. It says \u201cConsider it joy, my brothers.\u201d The word \u201cconsider\u201d there is used a bunch of times. It\u2019s also used in Romans, Chapter 6; I think it might be verse 11 or 12.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Like a savant, you\u2019re going\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: --He is.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I can see your brain.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: It\u2019s a computer.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Oh, man!<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: It\u2019s a computer up there.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Because I can\u2019t see it unless I close my eyes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: So, around that portion, it says, \u201cConsider yourselves, therefore, dead to sin and alive to righteousness in Christ.\u201d That word \u201cto consider\u201d is such an interesting word. In Greek, it\u2019s the word h\u00e9geomai, which, actually, the noun form of it is the word \u201cgovernor.\u201d So, it\u2019s an interesting word, because whenever we think \u201cconsider\u201d or \u201cponder,\u201d we think \u201cthought.\u201d But why would you use the word \u201cgovern\u201d as language for thought?<\/p>\n<p>So, the idea, though, of considering something is allowing that idea to govern the rest of your thinking, in other words to lead out in front of all your other thoughts. That is a profound truth that only, I believe, we can have in Christ, because what it doesn\u2019t say is \u201cdeny your suffering and act like the trials aren\u2019t that bad.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes, that changes that whole Scripture.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Everything, right?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Because in other religions, you have to deny it, act like it\u2019s not happening, have a better attitude, think positive thoughts. No, it ain\u2019t saying that! It\u2019s just saying, \u201cConsider it joy when this happens.\u201d It is happening, but let your leading thought, your governing thought, be joy. Don\u2019t deny that it\u2019s happening, don\u2019t deny that it\u2019s painful; but let your leading thought be joy.<\/p>\n<p>And who does James get that from, other than the Messiah Himself \u201cWho for the joy set before Him, endured the cross, disregarding (or despising) the shame?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: So, we can look at Jesus, Who didn\u2019t deny what was about to happen. In the Garden of Gethsemane, He\u2019s crying. It\u2019s like He\u2019s rending His soul before the Lord, and yet, \u201cFor the joy set before Him, He endured the cross, despising the shame.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And in the same way, we don\u2019t have to deny the suffering, but we just need to consider the joy. Count the joy, let the joy govern your thoughts, over all the other things that have happened.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s awesome.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, the other thing you said about her\u2014it sounds like she\u2019s like this joy-filled evangelist who carries grace.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Talk about grace.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes. I\u2019m definitely going to hold it together, but\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014but you\u2019re feeling emotion?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, because it\u2019s like I see how badly our current Christian culture needs what she has, and it breaks my heart, especially as a pastor, because it\u2019s such a lost art. But I\u2019ve pastored in so many different contexts, and especially since 2020\u2014maybe it started before then, Christians have had these very visceral reactions to one another over things that should be considered petty.<\/p>\n<p>Masks\u2014shouting, turning red in the face, over what we put over our face. Voting\u2014who are you behind? When I thought we don\u2019t serve a President ultimately, but a King. And all these crazy, violent reactions and then, on top of that, people in my generation talk about, \u201cWell, I was hurt at this church, so my church hurt says that I can just do church by myself.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis person did this to me, so I\u2019m going to go talk about them, not talk to them,\u201d and it\u2019s all this yakking. Especially during 2020, when everything\u2019s on Zoom or behind the keyboard, it became easy to demonize those you had disagreements with; but here\u2019s a woman who\u2019s really been through that, though.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: For real.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: The real trauma, though; that real stuff. The stuff that they put in movies. And her only response is, \u201cChrist has forgiven, so I must forgive.\u201d And it\u2019s not just words for her. You see her forgiveness of that person, specifically. It\u2019s not just generalized. No, \u201cI\u2019m going to show that person they have been forgiven by the way in which I overly love them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Literally, my stomach is churning: can we please remind ourselves of the forgiveness Christ has given, and never forget that we were undeserving? This cannot be merited. This ain\u2019t, \u201cYou got good grades, and Mom\u2019s taking you out for ice cream.\u201d This is, \u201cYou got expelled, and Dad\u2019s giving you a pizza party.\u201d This is undeserved grace, and there are few people in our lives who remind us of what it looks like to really believe that.<\/p>\n<p>Jesus doesn\u2019t keep score by our words, which is why He said, \u201cI\u2019m going to separate the sheep and the goats based on their life, their character.\u201d Why? Because when you really believe it, it will be seen. My grandmother showed me she believes the words of Christ, and she believes in what the cross accomplished by how she lived her life and extended grace to people that I would deem very undeserving.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: I think we all need to ask God to make us more like Rechab\u2019s grandmother, then watch the world around us change for Christ\u2019s glory, and really see that reconciliation happen between ourselves and the other people in our lives who we maybe feel dissonant with, or maybe we\u2019ve lost that kind of connection with. It\u2019s only the grace of God that really can bond people in unique ways.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Rechab and Brittany Gray on FamilyLife Today. It\u2019s been so great to have the Grays with us these last three days. And I\u2019m looking forward to tomorrow as well, because Jimmy and Kelly Needham are going to be here in the studio with Dave and Ann Wilson.<\/p>\n<p>Kelly Needham has written a book called Purposefooled. Here\u2019s the subtitle\u2014get this: Why Chasing Your Dreams, Finding Your Calling, and Reaching for Greatness Will Never Be Enough. Wow! This book, Purposefooled by Kelly Needham, is going to be our gift to you when you give today to the ministry of FamilyLife. You can get your copy right now with any donation that you make.<\/p>\n<p>You can just go online to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d We really feel like this book, Purposefooled by Kelly Needham, will be helpful for your life.<\/p>\n<p>You can also feel free to drop us something in the mail if you\u2019d like. Our address is: FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, Florida 32832.<\/p>\n<p>And as I said, coming up tomorrow [will be] Jimmy and Kelly Needham. What is it like to find true purpose in the mundane experiences of life, and how do you overcome things like marital resentment or redefining what a great marriage actually looks like? Well, Jimmy and Kelly are going to be here tomorrow with the Wilsons to talk about just that. We hope you\u2019ll join us.<\/p>\n<p>On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. 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I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Tell us about your grandma.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I was named after her.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Faye. She was my hero, actually.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I know. That\u2019s why I knew this would be an easy tee-up.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She was strong, but she was loving. She seemed like she came from\u2014she was raised on a ranch in Montana. She rode her horse to school every day.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: She was a tough woman.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She was tough, but man, she spoiled me [Laughter] and spoiled all her grandkids. I really loved her, and I related a lot to her. Why are you asking me about grandmother?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, we have the Grays back with us. Rechab and Brittany are back in the studio, and I know we\u2019re going to talk about Rechab\u2019s grandma. I\u2019ve never met her, but I know her name: Annie Mae.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: What did you call her?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: I just called her \u201cGrandma.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You did?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But what would make you write about her?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: So much!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Really?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, so much. My grandma was the one who shared the gospel with me the first time.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: How old were you?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: I was four years old.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Whoa, and you remember it?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: And I still remember it. I remember it\u2014one of the few memories I have of four.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Brittany, have you ever met? Did you ever have a chance to meet his grandma?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Have you met?<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: I have. Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: She loves her. She loves her.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, she\u2019s still living.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes, she\u2019s still living.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: She\u2019s still living.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: In Louisiana. Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So you know her well.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: One of the first times I went to Rechab\u2019s home when we were\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: [Laughter] \u2014oh, that is crazy!<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014just friends\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014we were just friends, and I visited his house, and his grandma was there. She was the sweetest. She loved me. His family has always welcomed me, just immediately.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s sweet.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: But she was so sweet. She loved me, and I loved her. [Laughter] There\u2019s a funny story behind it; that\u2019s why we\u2019re laughing. She doesn\u2019t mince words. She says what she needs to say.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is my grandmother!<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes; so, she made it known that she liked me, that she appreciated me, and I loved that. That was so fun at that time when we were \u201cjust friends,\u201d I say in quotes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: The funny story is, I was talking to this other girl\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: This other girl?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, I was talking to this other girl.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes, he was talking to that other girl.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: And we were just cool. We were really just friends. We were just friends, but I had the other young lady over, and grandma just kept saying, \u201cHey, where\u2019s Brittany?\u201d [Laughter] \u201cBrittany? Is she calling you?\u201d And the whole time I\u2019m trying to talk over my grandma, so nobody else hears it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She knew.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: She didn\u2019t like the other girl.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She knew. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: She really did. She knew before we did.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She\u2019s protecting her girl, Brittany. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But I think this is really important to talk about, because there are a lot of grandparents listening who don\u2019t even understand the impact that we can make as grandparents.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: We think, \u201cOh, we\u2019re done parenting.\u201d No. We can still have an impact on our grandkids. And there are a lot of families that are listening, that maybe your parents aren\u2019t as involved with your kids\u2019 lives, and maybe they should be, or can be, if they\u2019re healthy people that won\u2019t be negative with your kids. But it\u2019s about legacy, and it sounds like your grandmother, Annie Mae, had quite the legacy and has quite the legacy.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Tell us about her.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes. It was crazy, because I got a chance to learn her story later on, but my grandma was not always a believer. She had a rough divorce, and she hung around with\u2014she\u2019s strong, she\u2019s all of that, but when she came to Christ, everything was about Christ. Everything was about Jesus, everything. She was Pentecostal, so we couldn\u2019t even play cards, because that was like gambling, you know what I mean? All of that.<\/p>\n<p>But four years old, she had all of us young ones around, and she shared the gospel clear as day. She told us God created the world; Adam and Eve sinned; we are all sinners because of them; if we die right now, we\u2019re going to go to hell because we don\u2019t know Jesus. But if we trust in Jesus Christ, we will live with Him forever. That was her simple gospel presentation.<\/p>\n<p>That day, I knew what she said was true. I knew what she said was true. I didn\u2019t entrust myself to Christ, but I trusted what she was saying about Christ. That\u2019s why faith is a strange thing. It\u2019s not just about recognizing it\u2019s true. That\u2019s why James says, \u201cThe demons believe and tremble.\u201d But it\u2019s about entrusting yourself to Him, surrendering your life to Him as Lord; and that happened later, at 14.<\/p>\n<p>But when I made that decision at 14, I remembered four. Four years old never left me. My grandmother was not just one who talked the talk, but she walked the walk. She lived a life of holiness; she really walked with the Lord. I\u2019ll never forget her fat King James Bible [Laughter] that she would always have, and she was always reading it, always quoting it.<\/p>\n<p>She was just a true example of someone who didn\u2019t have a lot, and who didn\u2019t, according to people\u2019s standards, know a lot; but she gave a lot from what she did have and what she did know. She\u2019s still giving. We just went there a few years ago, and I don\u2019t know if you want to share about the impact she had on your life that one trip when we were in Memphis. I don\u2019t know if you want to share.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: How old is she now?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: She\u2019s celebrating 80 coming up. Yes, yes. It was four years ago we went to Memphis; maybe three years ago, yes. Do you want to share about that?<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes. We visited Annie Mae. This was right at the tail end of Covid, I guess, where it\u2019s just starting to get traveling out there again. I distinctly remember, she had been through some tragedy. She had a house fire; so, she lost her home\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u2014her home of 40 years.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Paid off.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Completely gone?<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Completely owned the land.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, completely gone.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Completely paid off home; a house fire that destroyed the home, so she was living in an apartment complex, a new neighborhood. She hadn\u2019t been there for very long, but we pulled up to her apartment, and we\u2019re like, \u201cOh, this is where Grandma lives. Okay. This is different.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We get out of the car, and one of the neighbors starts talking to us, and she says, \u201cOh, have a blessed day.\u201d She said, \u201cAnnie Mae taught me that.\u201d She didn\u2019t even know we were going to Annie Mae\u2019s house. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Come on!<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: It was just the sweetest thing. She had no clue why we were there. She\u2019s just out amongst the neighbors, and she just blessed my day, and Annie Mae showed her that. It was just a beautiful insight of how Grandma Annie impacted, so quickly, her neighbors and those around her.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: That was a dark season for you, because we were just coming out of everything.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes. That was the end of the roller coaster for us we had gone through. So, we had a daughter in the hospital, and we moved; then, I had my youngest daughter, and then I was going through some post-partum [depression] during Covid season, which was really hard. Our friends lived hours and hours away, so we were very isolated from pretty much everyone.<\/p>\n<p>So, it was a very, very dark season for me emotionally. And we had been through some church trauma [that] we were still dealing with. So, being with Annie Mae for those few days opened my eyes to gratitude and an appreciation that I had not felt in a long time.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s really sweet.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Her love\u2014she cooked the whole grocery store for us, you iknow? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: For sure.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s the way she loved you.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: She showed us all the love she could. She opened her door to us and made us [welcome], in a new place where she didn\u2019t have all the same trappings that she had before, but she allowed us to still stay there.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s what I mean. That\u2019s when you see Jesus in us, when our circumstances are anything but ideal\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014when we\u2019ve gone through our own loss. Think about the loss that was for her, but she still opened her home\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: \u2014yes, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014served you, loves you; serves and sees her neighbors.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I remember I used to tell the Detroit Lions\u2019 wives\u2014these women are mostly in their 20s, some 30s, and they\u2019re hoping that their husbands are going to be traded or drafted somewhere great, [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014not Detroit!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Somewhere maybe in California\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014maybe in Florida.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014anywhere!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But when you hear, \u201cWe\u2019re drafted, and we\u2019re going to live in the winter, in Detroit, Michigan,\u201d they\u2019re coming in depressed.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: That\u2019s funny.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But I remember saying to them: \u201cIt is no accident that you\u2019re here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And for your grandmother, it\u2019s no accident. It\u2019s tragic what happened, but God is saying in all of our circumstances: \u201cI know that you\u2019re in these circumstances.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What I used to say to them [was], \u201cThere\u2019s somebody here that\u2019s going to impact you. Keep your eyes open. And there\u2019s somebody that you will impact here, so keep your heart open.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: That\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It seems like she did that, like she wasn\u2019t a victim of her circumstances.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: She rose above those because of the power of Christ in her.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: Absolutely, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: I shared that because it was only her glad service\u2014her hospitality\u2014that gave us\u2014we both were driving home from there, quiet, because, again, this was a dark season. My wife had never\u2014again, she was always the stabilizer.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: This was a deep darkness I had never seen her go through. I remember turning to her. I said, \u201cIf you could put in one word what you\u2019re feeling right now, and what you feel like the Lord is saying to you, in one word, what would that word be?\u201d I had my word, and it ended up being the exact same word as hers; and it was the word \u201cgratitude.\u201d Gratitude is not born out of circumstances or situations.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: It\u2019s born out of a deep understanding that I\u2019ve already been included in the greatest story ever, and my grandma so, so embodied that.<\/p>\n<p>Even knowing that what she was telling me was the truth at four years old, I would have never been able to understand it, but now I know it is because, when she said it, there was a breadth of conviction that came behind it that is undeniable. As I grew up, my appreciation started to just grow for her. She was always there to just call, and prays still to this day, like \u201cHey, what\u2019s going on with y\u2019all?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So sweet.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u201cWhere are you guys at? What are you all doing? How\u2019s ministry going?\u201d I remember the first time she got a chance to hear me preach in person was in Des Moines, Iowa, out of all places. [Laughter] So, here\u2019s this black, down South grandma in the middle of Des Moines, Iowa, at a church that ain\u2019t used to down south Pentecostals, you know what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Did she \u201camen\u201d you and everything?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Oh, it ain\u2019t even just \u201camen.\u201d [Laughter] She is talking the whole time.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: The whole sermon.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u201cPreach, son. Preach, son! Preach, grandbaby.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes. Oh, I love\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: \u2014she\u2019s going in! But what was crazy (perfect unity) is all the people who had lay dormant for so long, now they start talking. At first, they were watching; now, they\u2019re talking because there\u2019s something in them, too, that wanted that. But until you have to rub shoulders with difference, you don\u2019t realize that that\u2019s a part of your sanctification, too. This is something you\u2019ve been wanting to do for so long, so it\u2019s like she unlocked something in them.<\/p>\n<p>And truly, from that day at that church, that church became more responsive, and I always go back to that Sunday when she was in the audience. I look at it, and I say, \u201cMan, the impact that you can have not by trying to do something, not by trying to be a minister, but just being a lover of Jesus!\u201d She just proved that to us, and a part of the reason why I\u2019m so adamant about bringing her story up is just because, I feel like the voices we listen to the most are oftentimes the voices that can theorize about it, but haven\u2019t lived it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: And my goodness, when I talk about living it! The racism she had to face, but serving, and you would never know her story and the depth of pain she\u2019s experienced, the names she\u2019s been called, the pain she\u2019s gone through. You would never understand it, because her smile is greater than her suffering.<\/p>\n<p>You think about the pain of divorce and all of that, especially down south, like the stigmas and all the stuff that comes with it; you just would never know, because again, the blessing of Jesus is greater than the bitterness against her other husband. It's like she found a greater Groom, and so there\u2019s so much in her story that\u2019s like if we want to learn from a teacher, why would it not be somebody like Annie Mae who can teach us the real walk of being a follower of Jesus Christ?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: As you were talking about her, with her house burning down, and then this, the circumstances that she\u2019s endured; and yet, she continues to be joyful, I was thinking of James 1:2: \u201cConsider it pure joy,\u201d pure joy, \u201cmy brothers and sisters whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance, and let perseverance finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking in nothing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, yes. Come on.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That sounds like her, mature and complete, Regardless of her circumstances, her joy comes deep within from her walk with Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Can I say one word about that passage, because that\u2019s so powerfully a portrait of her?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And we know you wouldn\u2019t have to look at it to read it. [Laughter] We know you have it memorized, but we have to look it up in the Scriptures.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I have that memorized, but I could never do that, even on the air, I don\u2019t think. Go ahead, lay it out for us.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: The whole thing?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: No, for sure not; but portions of it. It says \u201cConsider it joy, my brothers.\u201d The word \u201cconsider\u201d there is used a bunch of times. It\u2019s also used in Romans, Chapter 6; I think it might be verse 11 or 12.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Like a savant, you\u2019re going\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: --He is.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I can see your brain.<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: It\u2019s a computer.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Oh, man!<\/p>\n<p>Brittany: It\u2019s a computer up there.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Because I can\u2019t see it unless I close my eyes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: So, around that portion, it says, \u201cConsider yourselves, therefore, dead to sin and alive to righteousness in Christ.\u201d That word \u201cto consider\u201d is such an interesting word. In Greek, it\u2019s the word h\u00e9geomai, which, actually, the noun form of it is the word \u201cgovernor.\u201d So, it\u2019s an interesting word, because whenever we think \u201cconsider\u201d or \u201cponder,\u201d we think \u201cthought.\u201d But why would you use the word \u201cgovern\u201d as language for thought?<\/p>\n<p>So, the idea, though, of considering something is allowing that idea to govern the rest of your thinking, in other words to lead out in front of all your other thoughts. That is a profound truth that only, I believe, we can have in Christ, because what it doesn\u2019t say is \u201cdeny your suffering and act like the trials aren\u2019t that bad.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes, that changes that whole Scripture.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Everything, right?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Because in other religions, you have to deny it, act like it\u2019s not happening, have a better attitude, think positive thoughts. No, it ain\u2019t saying that! It\u2019s just saying, \u201cConsider it joy when this happens.\u201d It is happening, but let your leading thought, your governing thought, be joy. Don\u2019t deny that it\u2019s happening, don\u2019t deny that it\u2019s painful; but let your leading thought be joy.<\/p>\n<p>And who does James get that from, other than the Messiah Himself \u201cWho for the joy set before Him, endured the cross, disregarding (or despising) the shame?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: So, we can look at Jesus, Who didn\u2019t deny what was about to happen. In the Garden of Gethsemane, He\u2019s crying. It\u2019s like He\u2019s rending His soul before the Lord, and yet, \u201cFor the joy set before Him, He endured the cross, despising the shame.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And in the same way, we don\u2019t have to deny the suffering, but we just need to consider the joy. Count the joy, let the joy govern your thoughts, over all the other things that have happened.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s awesome.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, the other thing you said about her\u2014it sounds like she\u2019s like this joy-filled evangelist who carries grace.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Talk about grace.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes. I\u2019m definitely going to hold it together, but\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014but you\u2019re feeling emotion?<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: Yes, because it\u2019s like I see how badly our current Christian culture needs what she has, and it breaks my heart, especially as a pastor, because it\u2019s such a lost art. But I\u2019ve pastored in so many different contexts, and especially since 2020\u2014maybe it started before then, Christians have had these very visceral reactions to one another over things that should be considered petty.<\/p>\n<p>Masks\u2014shouting, turning red in the face, over what we put over our face. Voting\u2014who are you behind? When I thought we don\u2019t serve a President ultimately, but a King. And all these crazy, violent reactions and then, on top of that, people in my generation talk about, \u201cWell, I was hurt at this church, so my church hurt says that I can just do church by myself.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis person did this to me, so I\u2019m going to go talk about them, not talk to them,\u201d and it\u2019s all this yakking. Especially during 2020, when everything\u2019s on Zoom or behind the keyboard, it became easy to demonize those you had disagreements with; but here\u2019s a woman who\u2019s really been through that, though.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: For real.<\/p>\n<p>Rechab: The real trauma, though; that real stuff. The stuff that they put in movies. And her only response is, \u201cChrist has forgiven, so I must forgive.\u201d And it\u2019s not just words for her. You see her forgiveness of that person, specifically. It\u2019s not just generalized. No, \u201cI\u2019m going to show that person they have been forgiven by the way in which I overly love them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Literally, my stomach is churning: can we please remind ourselves of the forgiveness Christ has given, and never forget that we were undeserving? This cannot be merited. This ain\u2019t, \u201cYou got good grades, and Mom\u2019s taking you out for ice cream.\u201d This is, \u201cYou got expelled, and Dad\u2019s giving you a pizza party.\u201d This is undeserved grace, and there are few people in our lives who remind us of what it looks like to really believe that.<\/p>\n<p>Jesus doesn\u2019t keep score by our words, which is why He said, \u201cI\u2019m going to separate the sheep and the goats based on their life, their character.\u201d Why? Because when you really believe it, it will be seen. My grandmother showed me she believes the words of Christ, and she believes in what the cross accomplished by how she lived her life and extended grace to people that I would deem very undeserving.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: I think we all need to ask God to make us more like Rechab\u2019s grandmother, then watch the world around us change for Christ\u2019s glory, and really see that reconciliation happen between ourselves and the other people in our lives who we maybe feel dissonant with, or maybe we\u2019ve lost that kind of connection with. It\u2019s only the grace of God that really can bond people in unique ways.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Rechab and Brittany Gray on FamilyLife Today. It\u2019s been so great to have the Grays with us these last three days. And I\u2019m looking forward to tomorrow as well, because Jimmy and Kelly Needham are going to be here in the studio with Dave and Ann Wilson.<\/p>\n<p>Kelly Needham has written a book called Purposefooled. Here\u2019s the subtitle\u2014get this: Why Chasing Your Dreams, Finding Your Calling, and Reaching for Greatness Will Never Be Enough. Wow! This book, Purposefooled by Kelly Needham, is going to be our gift to you when you give today to the ministry of FamilyLife. You can get your copy right now with any donation that you make.<\/p>\n<p>You can just go online to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d We really feel like this book, Purposefooled by Kelly Needham, will be helpful for your life.<\/p>\n<p>You can also feel free to drop us something in the mail if you\u2019d like. Our address is: FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, Florida 32832.<\/p>\n<p>And as I said, coming up tomorrow [will be] Jimmy and Kelly Needham. What is it like to find true purpose in the mundane experiences of life, and how do you overcome things like marital resentment or redefining what a great marriage actually looks like? Well, Jimmy and Kelly are going to be here tomorrow with the Wilsons to talk about just that. We hope you\u2019ll join us.<\/p>\n<p>On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. 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