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Make things better than they used to be. And that works better when you\u2019re humble than when you\u2019re proud, and when you\u2019re team-oriented than when you\u2019re self-oriented, which means you\u2019re going to be counter-cultural in a consumer-based, selfish, performance-driven, \u201cme, me, me\u201d culture.\r\n\r\nShelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com. \r\n\r\nDave: This is FamilyLife Today.\r\n\r\nAnn: Let me start the day, because we\u2019ve been talking about manhood for the last two days with Jeff Kemp, which has been phenomenal! But Dave, as I\u2019m listening to Jeff, I\u2019m thinking, \u201cYou are this man.\u201d You\u2019ve had a rough past. You had a miserable childhood in some respects, but you are living out what it looks like to be a godly man. And now that we\u2019re older\u2014we have grandchildren\u2014when our sons come to you and say, \u201cHey, Dad, this wasn\u2019t too great in our family,\u201d and \u201cThis hurt me when you did this,\u201d the fact that you have been so humble to say, \u201cTell me more. What do you mean by that?\u201d\r\n\r\nWhew! That is being humble, and I have loved watching you grow older and become more dependent on Jesus than ever before. \r\n\r\nDave: You just said that, and my first thought was the opposite. \r\n\r\nAnn: What do you mean?\r\n\r\nDave: The fact that you\u2019re saying that is like, \u201cOh, that\u2019s good.\u201d I was\u2014the last two days with Jeff, which I love,\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014me, too\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014and I agree with everything he\u2019s saying\u2014I was feeling [that] I didn\u2019t measure up.\r\n\r\nAnn: Like a failure?\r\n\r\nDave: \u201cI wasn\u2019t that husband.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Aww.\r\n\r\nDave: \u201cI wasn\u2019t that dad.\u201d I mean, that\u2019s where I went rather than\u2014and in one sense, I was inspired, like, \u201cI\u2019m going to! I\u2019m not dead!\u201d [Laughter] I can still breathe, and I can do it.\u201d But, again, there was a part of me thinking, \u201cOh, I failed.\u201d Do you ever sense that, Jeff, still?\r\n\r\nJeff: Of course! We\u2019re competitive, and that\u2019s the carnal side of us that wants to do it ourselves, and always compares, and feels less than.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: At the beginning of this book, Receive, I say, \u201cLet\u2019s take a look at the quintessential man; you know, the man for all seasons.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Jesus.\r\n\r\nJeff: Jesus. But when you look at Him, don\u2019t compare yourself to Him, because you\u2019re going to be pretty \u201cstinkin\u2019 rotten,\u201d to use Ann\u2019s words.\r\n\r\nAnn: That\u2019s good!\r\n\r\nJeff: Compared to Him, right?\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: You\u2019ll beat yourself up and all this stuff. That\u2019s not the gist. Looking at Him gives you the essence of who God\u2019s going to turn you into and who God gives you credit for; because Jesus lived it, then He died, and then He gave it to you if you receive Him, are born again, and say, \u201cYou\u2019re the center of my life.\u201d You get credit for that! \r\n\r\nThat\u2019s how He\u2019s seeing you. Your wife not only sees a lot of good performance, but she sees that, when you don\u2019t, you want to be different.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: She\u2019s giving you credit for that. That was such a sweet, great dynamic\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014oh, it was!\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014of marriage right there.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: And we\u2019re talking to Jeff Kemp, who\u2019s married to Stacy, who\u2019s pretty wonderful, too.\r\n\r\nJeff: Totally wonderful!\r\n\r\nAnn: How many years have you guys been married?\r\n\r\nJeff: Forty!\r\n\r\nAnn: Forty years, and you have four\u2014?\r\n\r\nJeff: Four married sons, and nine cool grandkids. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn: We\u2019re talking about his book, Receive. The subtitle is The Way of Jesus for Men. I love this conversation. It always gets me excited (and I bet other women are, too) when men are talking about what it looks like to be a man of God.\r\n\r\nDave: Even your title\u2014we said it earlier: It\u2019s a quarterback writing a book called Receive. But as a quarterback, and we both know this, we love great receivers. Great receivers have attributes. I was thinking that your book is a little bit like that. To receive from Jesus, and to be the man we\u2019re supposed to be, we have to be good receivers. We have to follow the way of Jesus.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s proactive.\r\n\r\nDave: Exactly!\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s not passive.\r\n\r\nDave: Right.\r\n\r\nJeff: I had a few really smart, great authors tell me, \u201cThe word \u2018receive\u2019 doesn\u2019t sound really strong. It\u2019s not that catchy. It doesn\u2019t say anything masculine enough.\u201d I talked to another friend, and I said, \u201cHow about if we put a tagline, \u2018The Way of Jesus?\u2019\u201d He said, \u201cThat\u2019s strong!\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: But you know, Steve Largent is in the Hall of Fame. He wears a really cool, gold coat, and so does Jay Rice; two guys that I threw some of the touchdowns to. Those guys were incredibly intentional and proactive about receiving the ball.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Steve Largent used to look at the tip of the ball, not the ball in general. \u201cAim small, miss small.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Both of those guys would tuck the ball away and wrap it between their palm and their arm pit so no one could punch it out. They would catch with one hand to be ready for one-handed catches, okay? They would catch with a bag in their face to get better at difficult ones. The best receivers in the NFL are unbelievably trained to go get the ball and make the quarterback\u2019s job easy. They\u2019re serving the quarterback. \r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Now, a good quarterback is actually supposed to be serving the wide receiver and throw[ing] the ball to a one-foot diameter of accuracy ahead of him\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014right\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014not behind him, not low or high; protect his ribs, you know, \u201cget smacked in the jaw, Mr. QB, but put the ball on the money!\u201d Drew Brees was my example of seeing someone do this over the years. He was an investor in the success of his receiver, alright? That\u2019s the same principle in marriage. Ann, invest in Dave; Dave, invest in Ann. Where do you get the power to do it? You both can\u2019t do it! [Laughter] You\u2019re just human. You\u2019re sinners! \r\n\r\nReceive it from Jesus as a daughter of God (\u201cAbba\u201d), Ann, and as a son of God. That\u2019s the receive principle. Proactively be dependent, be humble, be listening; read the Bible as a son, listen to a sermon as a son, listen to a podcast as a son\u2014or a daughter\u2014and wait for Him to speak to you. God is real. He\u2019s not limited by anything that the world says. So, that\u2019s proactive receiving, and it is something strong, but it doesn\u2019t depend on you. It depends on Him. You\u2019ve just got to make yourself available to Him and believe that He\u2019s good, which is why we\u2019ve been talking a lot about, \u201cYou\u2019ve better believe God is Who He really is and get an accurate view.\u201d Once you do, you can get an accurate view of you, and an accurate view of you is humble. \r\n\r\n\u201cHumble\u201d means seeing yourself through God\u2019s eyes: \u201cI am incredibly valuable. He makes me; He made you. He doesn\u2019t make junk. I\u2019m made by the Master! But I am so stinking flawed. I ran away from Him, tried to do it my own way, and had a bunch of hidden pride and lust (and this and that) and stupid motives. I mess up. So, I\u2019m more flawed than I can ever imagine, but I\u2019m also valued and created with this great potential, and He died on the cross for me!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: It\u2019s the gospel!\r\n\r\nJeff: Yes, right. If you have that accurate view of God and then your accurate view of yourself (which you receive from Him, which you can\u2019t earn), then you can start receiving from Him minute-by-minute guidance on how to live. So, I lay it out: the number one thing is [to] receive; the second big thing is [to] transform. Keep changing into a better version of you through God\u2019s power. You don\u2019t have to do it on your own. It\u2019s [to] transform into Christlikeness. You know, Romans 8:29: the purpose of life is to be conformed to Christ. That will make a better husband, a better radio host, a better quarterback, a better janitor, a better software designer, dad, mom, or whatever. \r\n\r\n\u201cTransform\u201d [means] always be ready to grow. Be humble on the journey from as is today to \u201cto be.\u201d By receiving from God, you\u2019ll get a lot of that help. Secondly, by huddling\u2014connecting, opening up, talking, supporting, and praying with each other\u2014I ask the question every week of my buddies, and they of me, \u201cWhat\u2019s the most important thing you need to talk about? What\u2019s the most important thing that I can pray for?\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn: This is Level Five friendship.\r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s Level Five friendship. I have heard God speak through my buddies when I just get that honest. That has been changing me, transforming me, from the as-is Jeff of three years ago to the version today, which has a long way to go to be more Jesus-like, but it\u2019s getting better. And I\u2019m not\u2014there\u2019s no scorecard! I\u2019m not better than Dave or worse than Dave. I\u2019m obviously much less good than Jesus [Laughter], but I\u2019m not going to beat myself up for that, because He already gives me credit. It\u2019s grace! Grace, grace, grace, grace. \r\n\r\nMen, you don\u2019t just need friends,\u2014as Dave Wilson said last show, or you\u2019re going to crash and burn in loneliness and isolation and unaccountability and some stupid decisions\u2014you get to have friends!\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s fun! It\u2019s awesome! It\u2019s teamwork. So, the first word is \u201creceive,\u201d the second is \u201ctransform;\u201d always changing. The third is \u201chuddle,\u201d which is this Level Five friendship. Don\u2019t go alone. And the last one is \u201clift.\u201d It\u2019s kind of your mission as a man. Lift other people; lift the Lord; lift the circumstances. Make things better than they used to be, and that works better when you\u2019re humble than when you\u2019re proud, and when you\u2019re team-oriented than when you\u2019re self-oriented, which means you\u2019re going to be counter-cultural in a consumer-based, selfish, performance-driven, \u201cme, me, me\u201d culture.\r\n\r\nAnn: Have you guys been around other men who have done that? Give me some stories of men who have lifted others.\r\n\r\nJeff: Lifted?\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: I got to work for Bill Bennett, who used to be the Secretary of Education in the cabinet with my dad for President Bush. When Dad died, Bill came to our house and told my aunts and uncles, sisters and brother, and my mom some funny stories about Dad, which was kind of [about] masculinity. [He] made fun of Dad, and we loved it. Then he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got to say this about Jack Kemp: wherever he went, whatever the issue, whatever the audience, Jack Kemp brought lift!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Hmm.\r\n\r\nJeff: \u201cA sunny, optimistic disposition that we could make the future better than the past and a belief that everyone has great potential to live up to their God-given dreams.\u201d I took that word, and I thought, \u201cMan, that\u2019s really how I want to live! I don\u2019t just want to do ministry, so people say, \u201cOh, that was good. Your ministry\u2019s good. Nice speech.\u201d I want it to lift Jesus, and I want it to lift people to what God wants them to be. \r\n\r\nThen, I thought, \u201cLIFT! That\u2019s a cool acronym: Life Is For Transformation.\u201d It\u2019s moving from proud to humble, isolated and alone to connected in team, stingy to generous. If you\u2019re quiet all the time and never open your mouth, \u201cOpen up! Share a story.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: The first name that came to my mind was Jim Caldwell.\r\n\r\nAnn: Really?\r\n\r\nDave: Former Detroit Lions coach; now he\u2019s with the Carolina Panthers. He was a lifter of men. He is a man of God! He\u2019s a lot like Tony Dungee\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014who I thought of!\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Unbelievably humble; a lifter of others.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes, that\u2019s Jim. They\u2019re clones. I know Jim was, in many ways, discipled by Tony, but he\u2019d walk in a locker room or walk into a Bible study, you name it! His eyes were always on others, seeing greatness in them and lifting them up. You know, the other guy I thought of was Josh McAllen.\r\n\r\nAnn: Me, too. I thought of Josh.\r\n\r\nDave: He walks in a room, and he\u2019s a man of joy. He was only at Detroit as a quarterback\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014he\u2019s funny!\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014one season, and we just bonded and became great friends. Now, he\u2019s coaching the Heisman trophy winner from last year, Bryce Young. He\u2019s the quarterback coach down in Carolina with Jim Caldwell and another great man, Frank Wright, who you know, and I know.\r\n\r\nAnn: He was a player for Detroit.\r\n\r\nDave: Frank\u2019s a friend, and he\u2019s a lifter of men as well. And I\u2019m not just thinking of athletes, but those are the men who came to my mind.\r\n\r\nJeff: I can think of guys that have names we recognize, with big achievements, but how about a heating and air conditioning contractor who got his girlfriend pregnant at 19? He chose to marry her against his family\u2019s wishes. They kind of got mad at him, and he said, \u201cAlright!\u201d And he moved from Pittsburgh, all the way to California (and [he] didn\u2019t know God). She worked for Christian businesspeople in heating and air conditioning, and he worked for a different one. This is my friend, Chuck. \r\n\r\nHis wife said, \u201cChuck, you\u2019ve got to come work for these guys. They\u2019re so nice!\u201d He said, \u201cYes, but they\u2019re all churchy, Jesus-y; I don\u2019t like that junk.\u201d They lived it out. They were so honest and so ethical that they gave money back to customers who overpaid and stuff like that. He came and worked for them, and he ended up receiving Jesus. He should have been an attorney if he\u2019d been able to go to school (to law school). His mind was like that. He put it into the Bible, and he studied the Bible so well that we ended up kind of pushing our chaplain for the Rams to decide, because he brought in this guy to teach, and we made Chuck the chaplain. \r\n\r\nDave: Wow.\r\n\r\nJeff: And then, the Angels made him the chaplain; the Ducks\u2014Anaheim Ducks hockey team\u2014made him their chaplain; and he became my best friend. We moved into his neighborhood, and they took care of my family when I got traded to San Francisco, when I got traded to Seattle. He took care of my family. He sold a car for me. He served me unbelievably. He came to my house every morning for a year and taught me the Bible and Christianity. He played catch with me when I couldn\u2019t work out with the \u20189ers because I was in LA, and I couldn\u2019t work out with the Rams because I wasn\u2019t on the team anymore. \r\n\r\nUnbelievable friend! And every conversation was really real, honest, blue collar; funny sense of humor; no church \u201cChristianese.\u201d I\u2019m not against someone who knows a lot of that\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014right\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014but he always brought it back to God\u2019s truth. He knew the Scriptures so well, he\u2019d tie every conversation to God\u2019s way of doing things and God\u2019s principles in the Scriptures. He was the most popular chaplain, and we know this from history, of guys on all the teams. They said, \u201cI love that Obremski guy! I learned so much from him. I still have his notes!\u201d \r\n\r\nDave: Wow.\r\n\r\nAnn: There was a man in our hometown, Maury Sheets\u2014which is interesting, because I barely know him. I think they had six kids, and some of the kids were around our age. Dave knew them, too; but I didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home. Our family was great, but incredibly performance-oriented, so I felt a lot of pressure with everything I did to be the best at it, whether it be school or sports or relationships. This family and their kids were just nice, genuinely nice, and kind.\r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s cool.\r\n\r\nAnn: Super-fun! But talk about the power of a dad! This man, who had six kids, I remember him looking at me, barely knowing me. I can remember him holding my shoulders, looking me in the face, in the eyes, and saying, \u201cAnn Baron, there\u2019s something special about you. There\u2019s something really special about you.\u201d And I knew it wasn\u2019t what I did; it was who I was. \r\n\r\nIt was so compelling and attractive for this older man to have this sweet, pure motive, just saying, \u201cI see something in you.\u201d \r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s the Gideon principle.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, yes.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: And you\u2019re tearing up as you speak of it.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes!\r\n\r\nJeff: He helped speak into your identity, that the Father really gives you and sees.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, and I didn\u2019t even know the Father, but all I knew was, this family loved Jesus, and \u201cI want to know a Jesus who does something in a person\u2019s heart who can lift others like that.\u201d \r\n\r\nDave: Yes. All my life, Jeff, growing up in the same hometown, I wasn\u2019t a Christian. Anytime I got around this man\u2014because his son married a girl in my class, and every time I was around that guy\u2014I was thinking, \u201cIf that\u2019s what a Christian is, that\u2019s what I want to be!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Did you feel that, too?\r\n\r\nDave: He was\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014that\u2019s the shining light that Jesus said\u2014\r\n\r\nDave and Ann: \u2014yes!\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014\u201cLet your light shine.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Shine!\r\n\r\nJeff: That was my dad\u2019s favorite verse: \u201cLet your light shine\u2014\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014\u201cin such a way\u201d\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014\u201cso that your Father in heaven gets glory.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Yes, yes. He was a magnet to Jesus! He probably influenced me more than I even realized, because years later, I came to Christ, went back, and spoke at their church; and I can still see his smile. He\u2019s in heaven now, but man! He was a lifter.\r\n\r\nAnn: Right? And he\u2019s just a regular guy.\r\n\r\nJeff: Those type of men are cool! I interviewed 30 men, in addition to looking at everything I could find about Jesus, for this book. They were all men I respected who have integrity, and they lifted me: Robert Lewis,\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014yes\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014Tony Dungee, David Robbins with FamilyLife; and I interviewed Russell Wilson. Russell said that he was a hooligan; he was a troublemaker in junior high. All he liked was sports! All he cared about were his sports and himself. He said a man came into his life and lifted him to a different vision. His name was Booker Corrigan. He was a junior high teacher, and he pulled him aside and said, \u201cYou know, Russell, you have no idea! If you put as much energy into school (academics) and people, treating them well, as you put into sports, you have no idea how far you could go!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Wow.\r\n\r\nJeff: Russell said that hinge shifted his life! He also had met Jesus when he had a dream that his dad would die. He went to church the next day and accepted Jesus. But this man gave him the vision for an others-centered life, a lifting life. I\u2019m amazed! Russell\u2014he studied football, he practiced so much, and he did all this extra stuff. Every single Tuesday, he would go to Children\u2019s Hospital in Seattle, from the time he was a rookie all the way until he was MVP of the league. He would make sure he focused on serving others and calibrating himself.\r\n\r\nHe's not a perfect guy; I\u2019m not a perfect guy. Jesus is the perfect guy! But LIFT; Booker Corrigan was a lifter, and he influenced this other guy. \r\n\r\nDave: Yes, and I think we want to be known as \u201cBookers.\u201d This woman is a lifter! \r\n\r\nJeff: She is a lifter!\r\n\r\nAnn: Aww.\r\n\r\nDave: It\u2019s crazy to watch!\r\n\r\nJeff: And we\u2019re not talking about her bench press. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nDave: Yes; that\u2019s pretty good, too.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s what she does to lift the spirits, the identity, the vision; the stewardship of people\u2019s giftings; [she] lifts their spirits, lifts their hope. That\u2019s what lifting is!\r\n\r\nDave: Yes, she\u2019s a real man! [Laughter] That\u2019s what she is; she\u2019s a real man! No\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014thanks, you guys. \r\n\r\nDave: I\u2019ve said this before, but I\u2019ve watched Ann, in airports, walk up to total strangers. I know what she\u2019s going to do. She starts walking, and I think, \u201cHere she goes!\u201d She feels like God has given her something to speak life into this person. I can\u2019t even hear the conversation, and I\u2019ll see this woman sitting in an airport chair, and you just see her face go from, maybe, discouraged or having a hard day or week\u2014maybe they\u2019ve got little kids; I\u2019ve seen you do it with moms on planes, picking up their bags\u2014and you just see their face go from discouragement to life. \r\n\r\nI\u2019m thinking, \u201cThere she goes. She did it again!\u201d She lifts you.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s not that hard to do, but many people don\u2019t. The reason\u2014I\u2019ve heard Ann; Ann used to not have confidence. Beautiful, young, talented; a \u201ccan do everything\u201d gal who didn\u2019t think she was good enough, didn\u2019t think she was special, didn\u2019t think she was cherished. She got her identity\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014right\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014through this relationship with Jesus over the years.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes!\r\n\r\nJeff: Knowing who you are, your tank is full. Now, you\u2019re looking for \u201cwho can I pour it into?\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: Right.\r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s what we\u2019ve been talking about. Please, everybody\u2014me included\u2014let\u2019s receive totally who Father God, Abba Father, the real dad, says you are as His daughter or as His son. We men, particularly, need this, because we go for the image of performance and achievement too much.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s hurting us, and it\u2019s hurting our sons and daughters. It\u2019s messing up our marriages, and the Church is missing the Jesus-like studs that it needs. \r\n\r\nAnn: I agree, and you\u2014when men do this, we as women want to stand up and applaud: \u201cLook at you guys go!\u201d We long for that. We see it, and when we see it, it\u2019s pretty magnificent.\r\n\r\nDave: And I\u2019ll say this: we talked last night about a friend of ours, Jamie Winship, who walked into our church decades ago. He [had never known] who he was. Our global guy met him and, to make a long story short, one of the things Jamie said\u2014because he\u2019s always teaching from the Word of God about identity; it\u2019s everything about what he does. I\u2019ll never forget one of the first times I heard him speak. I had him come in and teach some Bible studies for the Detroit Lions. I thought, \u201cI want to get this guy in front of these guys.\u201d\r\n\r\nI remember him saying this: \u201cWhen you understand your identity in Christ\u2014when you understand who you are as a man, a beloved son, or a beloved daughter\u2014you walk in every room, and you own it! You\u2019re so fearless, because no longer are you trying to impress anybody in that room. You don\u2019t need to! You\u2019ve found out who you are in Christ. You are secure.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd that\u2019s one of your words; it\u2019s in your book: \u201csecurity\u201d and \u201cidentity.\u201d He said, \u201cThen, you walk into the room, and it\u2019s no longer about, \u2018What do I look like? What do they think of me? What am I going to say that\u2019s going to impress somebody?\u2019 Who cares! You now are others-centered.\u201d You\u2019re a lifter! It\u2019s like, \u201cIt\u2019s not about me anymore! I\u2019ve got it!\u201d\r\n\r\nJeff: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: I\u2019m totally fearless! \u201cOkay, I see somebody who needs a word? I can speak it with no fear, because\u2014\u201d\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014\u201cI don\u2019t need to fill my tank anymore.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Exactly!\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: It\u2019s filled!\r\n\r\nJeff: The Father\u2019s filled it, and now I\u2019m going to pour into others.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: And when you\u2019re secure, then you can use all of His gifts. That\u2019s why we\u2019re talking so strongly about identity, and it all starts there. \u201cWhat\u2019s God\u2019s identity?\u201d and \u201cWho does He say I am because of what Christ did?\u201d Now, that might bring us back to the gospel. If you\u2019ve not yet received Christ\u2019s forgiveness and God\u2019s adoption as His son or daughter, you\u2019re not going to feel this sense of assurance and confidence. \r\n\r\nIt\u2019s awesome to be His son! Not only do you get eternal life, but you get a change in this life. Please ask God to search your heart and tell you that Jesus is the answer. Receive Him fully; accept Him. You know, \u201cbelieve\u201d means [to] put your faith in Him, not just say, \u201cI think a chair\u2019s going to hold me up.\u201d You sit down in the chair.\r\n\r\nDave: You trust Him. \r\n\r\nJeff: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: We\u2019re at a time of year, as the holidays are approaching, that we start thinking about Christmas; about Christ coming (being born for us) and then dying for us. What better time to surrender and give your life to Jesus?\r\n\r\nJeff: Receive the greatest gift ever! Not just Jesus and His forgiveness, but adoption as His son or daughter.\r\n\r\nDave: Jeff, pray with the listeners\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014let\u2019s do it!\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, why not? Let\u2019s do that.\r\n\r\nJeff: Father God, I just want to pray that any person who hasn\u2019t yet experienced total surrender, belief, and trust in Jesus Christ to give them complete assurance of forgiveness, and not just eternal life, but amazing life now, lived for Your purposes\u2014give them that experience through the power of Your Holy Spirit. And for those who do know Jesus but haven\u2019t let Him turn them into the adopted son or the adopted daughter, give them their identity. Give them an accurate view of You, Father, an accurate view of themselves; and help us all walk by receiving, listening, and depending on You every second of every day. In Jesus\u2019s Name, Amen.\r\n\r\nShelby: What a beautiful prayer to remind us of our need for Christ. You know, neediness in the Christin life is a good thing! I know it\u2019s the opposite of everything our culture screams at us today but be needy and watch God show up to do in our lives what we\u2019d never be able to accomplish in our power.\r\n\r\nI\u2019m Shelby Abbott. You\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Jeff Kemp on FamilyLife Today. Jeff has written a book called Receive: The Way of Jesus for Men. If you want to grow in your relationship with God, develop, and reach your potential as a man with Jesus, this book is going to help you do that. It's going to be our gift to you when you partner with us financially here at FamilyLife Today. So, how do you do that? You can go online to FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329. If you missed that, again, our number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d That will help you remember. And feel free to drop us something in the mail if you would like. Our address is FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, FL 32832. \r\n\r\nMake sure to check out Jeff\u2019s \u201cLevel Five Friendship Playbook\u201d in the show notes as well. Jeff is going to show you how to build a brotherhood of men and a small huddle of guys you can share everything with in life and grow closer together in Christ. Again, you can find all of that in the show notes today. Now, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear from a guest who wants to \u201cpunch you in the face,\u201d but she still loves Jesus at the same time. Sherri Lynn is going to be with us tomorrow to help us gain a deeper understanding of PMS. You won\u2019t want to miss tomorrow\u2019s show. We hope you\u2019ll join us. \r\n\r\nOn behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. We will see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \r\n\r\nFamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry. \r\n\r\nHelping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\r\n\r\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs?  \r\n\r\nCopyright \u00a9 2023 FamilyLife. 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NFL Seahawks quarterback Jeff Kemp offers four solid strategies toward a powerful, humble, and fearless biblical manhood that goes the distance. Build a brotherhood and grab a copy of Jeff Kemp's Level Five Friendship Playbook: MenHuddle.com Click ...","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2023-11-08.pdf","transcript_content":"\nFamilyLife Today\u00ae National Radio Version (time edited) Transcript\r\n\r\nReferences to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete.\r\n\r\n4 Strategies for Authentic Manhood\r\n\r\nGuest:Jeff Kemp\r\n\r\nFrom the series:Receive: The Way of Jesus for Men (Day 3 of 3)\r\n\r\nAir date:November 8, 2003\r\n\r\nJeff: Lift other people; lift the Lord; lift the circumstances. Make things better than they used to be. And that works better when you\u2019re humble than when you\u2019re proud, and when you\u2019re team-oriented than when you\u2019re self-oriented, which means you\u2019re going to be counter-cultural in a consumer-based, selfish, performance-driven, \u201cme, me, me\u201d culture.\r\n\r\nShelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com. \r\n\r\nDave: This is FamilyLife Today.\r\n\r\nAnn: Let me start the day, because we\u2019ve been talking about manhood for the last two days with Jeff Kemp, which has been phenomenal! But Dave, as I\u2019m listening to Jeff, I\u2019m thinking, \u201cYou are this man.\u201d You\u2019ve had a rough past. You had a miserable childhood in some respects, but you are living out what it looks like to be a godly man. And now that we\u2019re older\u2014we have grandchildren\u2014when our sons come to you and say, \u201cHey, Dad, this wasn\u2019t too great in our family,\u201d and \u201cThis hurt me when you did this,\u201d the fact that you have been so humble to say, \u201cTell me more. What do you mean by that?\u201d\r\n\r\nWhew! That is being humble, and I have loved watching you grow older and become more dependent on Jesus than ever before. \r\n\r\nDave: You just said that, and my first thought was the opposite. \r\n\r\nAnn: What do you mean?\r\n\r\nDave: The fact that you\u2019re saying that is like, \u201cOh, that\u2019s good.\u201d I was\u2014the last two days with Jeff, which I love,\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014me, too\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014and I agree with everything he\u2019s saying\u2014I was feeling [that] I didn\u2019t measure up.\r\n\r\nAnn: Like a failure?\r\n\r\nDave: \u201cI wasn\u2019t that husband.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Aww.\r\n\r\nDave: \u201cI wasn\u2019t that dad.\u201d I mean, that\u2019s where I went rather than\u2014and in one sense, I was inspired, like, \u201cI\u2019m going to! I\u2019m not dead!\u201d [Laughter] I can still breathe, and I can do it.\u201d But, again, there was a part of me thinking, \u201cOh, I failed.\u201d Do you ever sense that, Jeff, still?\r\n\r\nJeff: Of course! We\u2019re competitive, and that\u2019s the carnal side of us that wants to do it ourselves, and always compares, and feels less than.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: At the beginning of this book, Receive, I say, \u201cLet\u2019s take a look at the quintessential man; you know, the man for all seasons.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Jesus.\r\n\r\nJeff: Jesus. But when you look at Him, don\u2019t compare yourself to Him, because you\u2019re going to be pretty \u201cstinkin\u2019 rotten,\u201d to use Ann\u2019s words.\r\n\r\nAnn: That\u2019s good!\r\n\r\nJeff: Compared to Him, right?\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: You\u2019ll beat yourself up and all this stuff. That\u2019s not the gist. Looking at Him gives you the essence of who God\u2019s going to turn you into and who God gives you credit for; because Jesus lived it, then He died, and then He gave it to you if you receive Him, are born again, and say, \u201cYou\u2019re the center of my life.\u201d You get credit for that! \r\n\r\nThat\u2019s how He\u2019s seeing you. Your wife not only sees a lot of good performance, but she sees that, when you don\u2019t, you want to be different.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: She\u2019s giving you credit for that. That was such a sweet, great dynamic\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014oh, it was!\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014of marriage right there.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: And we\u2019re talking to Jeff Kemp, who\u2019s married to Stacy, who\u2019s pretty wonderful, too.\r\n\r\nJeff: Totally wonderful!\r\n\r\nAnn: How many years have you guys been married?\r\n\r\nJeff: Forty!\r\n\r\nAnn: Forty years, and you have four\u2014?\r\n\r\nJeff: Four married sons, and nine cool grandkids. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn: We\u2019re talking about his book, Receive. The subtitle is The Way of Jesus for Men. I love this conversation. It always gets me excited (and I bet other women are, too) when men are talking about what it looks like to be a man of God.\r\n\r\nDave: Even your title\u2014we said it earlier: It\u2019s a quarterback writing a book called Receive. But as a quarterback, and we both know this, we love great receivers. Great receivers have attributes. I was thinking that your book is a little bit like that. To receive from Jesus, and to be the man we\u2019re supposed to be, we have to be good receivers. We have to follow the way of Jesus.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s proactive.\r\n\r\nDave: Exactly!\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s not passive.\r\n\r\nDave: Right.\r\n\r\nJeff: I had a few really smart, great authors tell me, \u201cThe word \u2018receive\u2019 doesn\u2019t sound really strong. It\u2019s not that catchy. It doesn\u2019t say anything masculine enough.\u201d I talked to another friend, and I said, \u201cHow about if we put a tagline, \u2018The Way of Jesus?\u2019\u201d He said, \u201cThat\u2019s strong!\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: But you know, Steve Largent is in the Hall of Fame. He wears a really cool, gold coat, and so does Jay Rice; two guys that I threw some of the touchdowns to. Those guys were incredibly intentional and proactive about receiving the ball.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Steve Largent used to look at the tip of the ball, not the ball in general. \u201cAim small, miss small.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Both of those guys would tuck the ball away and wrap it between their palm and their arm pit so no one could punch it out. They would catch with one hand to be ready for one-handed catches, okay? They would catch with a bag in their face to get better at difficult ones. The best receivers in the NFL are unbelievably trained to go get the ball and make the quarterback\u2019s job easy. They\u2019re serving the quarterback. \r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Now, a good quarterback is actually supposed to be serving the wide receiver and throw[ing] the ball to a one-foot diameter of accuracy ahead of him\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014right\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014not behind him, not low or high; protect his ribs, you know, \u201cget smacked in the jaw, Mr. QB, but put the ball on the money!\u201d Drew Brees was my example of seeing someone do this over the years. He was an investor in the success of his receiver, alright? That\u2019s the same principle in marriage. Ann, invest in Dave; Dave, invest in Ann. Where do you get the power to do it? You both can\u2019t do it! [Laughter] You\u2019re just human. You\u2019re sinners! \r\n\r\nReceive it from Jesus as a daughter of God (\u201cAbba\u201d), Ann, and as a son of God. That\u2019s the receive principle. Proactively be dependent, be humble, be listening; read the Bible as a son, listen to a sermon as a son, listen to a podcast as a son\u2014or a daughter\u2014and wait for Him to speak to you. God is real. He\u2019s not limited by anything that the world says. So, that\u2019s proactive receiving, and it is something strong, but it doesn\u2019t depend on you. It depends on Him. You\u2019ve just got to make yourself available to Him and believe that He\u2019s good, which is why we\u2019ve been talking a lot about, \u201cYou\u2019ve better believe God is Who He really is and get an accurate view.\u201d Once you do, you can get an accurate view of you, and an accurate view of you is humble. \r\n\r\n\u201cHumble\u201d means seeing yourself through God\u2019s eyes: \u201cI am incredibly valuable. He makes me; He made you. He doesn\u2019t make junk. I\u2019m made by the Master! But I am so stinking flawed. I ran away from Him, tried to do it my own way, and had a bunch of hidden pride and lust (and this and that) and stupid motives. I mess up. So, I\u2019m more flawed than I can ever imagine, but I\u2019m also valued and created with this great potential, and He died on the cross for me!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: It\u2019s the gospel!\r\n\r\nJeff: Yes, right. If you have that accurate view of God and then your accurate view of yourself (which you receive from Him, which you can\u2019t earn), then you can start receiving from Him minute-by-minute guidance on how to live. So, I lay it out: the number one thing is [to] receive; the second big thing is [to] transform. Keep changing into a better version of you through God\u2019s power. You don\u2019t have to do it on your own. It\u2019s [to] transform into Christlikeness. You know, Romans 8:29: the purpose of life is to be conformed to Christ. That will make a better husband, a better radio host, a better quarterback, a better janitor, a better software designer, dad, mom, or whatever. \r\n\r\n\u201cTransform\u201d [means] always be ready to grow. Be humble on the journey from as is today to \u201cto be.\u201d By receiving from God, you\u2019ll get a lot of that help. Secondly, by huddling\u2014connecting, opening up, talking, supporting, and praying with each other\u2014I ask the question every week of my buddies, and they of me, \u201cWhat\u2019s the most important thing you need to talk about? What\u2019s the most important thing that I can pray for?\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn: This is Level Five friendship.\r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s Level Five friendship. I have heard God speak through my buddies when I just get that honest. That has been changing me, transforming me, from the as-is Jeff of three years ago to the version today, which has a long way to go to be more Jesus-like, but it\u2019s getting better. And I\u2019m not\u2014there\u2019s no scorecard! I\u2019m not better than Dave or worse than Dave. I\u2019m obviously much less good than Jesus [Laughter], but I\u2019m not going to beat myself up for that, because He already gives me credit. It\u2019s grace! Grace, grace, grace, grace. \r\n\r\nMen, you don\u2019t just need friends,\u2014as Dave Wilson said last show, or you\u2019re going to crash and burn in loneliness and isolation and unaccountability and some stupid decisions\u2014you get to have friends!\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s fun! It\u2019s awesome! It\u2019s teamwork. So, the first word is \u201creceive,\u201d the second is \u201ctransform;\u201d always changing. The third is \u201chuddle,\u201d which is this Level Five friendship. Don\u2019t go alone. And the last one is \u201clift.\u201d It\u2019s kind of your mission as a man. Lift other people; lift the Lord; lift the circumstances. Make things better than they used to be, and that works better when you\u2019re humble than when you\u2019re proud, and when you\u2019re team-oriented than when you\u2019re self-oriented, which means you\u2019re going to be counter-cultural in a consumer-based, selfish, performance-driven, \u201cme, me, me\u201d culture.\r\n\r\nAnn: Have you guys been around other men who have done that? Give me some stories of men who have lifted others.\r\n\r\nJeff: Lifted?\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: I got to work for Bill Bennett, who used to be the Secretary of Education in the cabinet with my dad for President Bush. When Dad died, Bill came to our house and told my aunts and uncles, sisters and brother, and my mom some funny stories about Dad, which was kind of [about] masculinity. [He] made fun of Dad, and we loved it. Then he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got to say this about Jack Kemp: wherever he went, whatever the issue, whatever the audience, Jack Kemp brought lift!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Hmm.\r\n\r\nJeff: \u201cA sunny, optimistic disposition that we could make the future better than the past and a belief that everyone has great potential to live up to their God-given dreams.\u201d I took that word, and I thought, \u201cMan, that\u2019s really how I want to live! I don\u2019t just want to do ministry, so people say, \u201cOh, that was good. Your ministry\u2019s good. Nice speech.\u201d I want it to lift Jesus, and I want it to lift people to what God wants them to be. \r\n\r\nThen, I thought, \u201cLIFT! That\u2019s a cool acronym: Life Is For Transformation.\u201d It\u2019s moving from proud to humble, isolated and alone to connected in team, stingy to generous. If you\u2019re quiet all the time and never open your mouth, \u201cOpen up! Share a story.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: The first name that came to my mind was Jim Caldwell.\r\n\r\nAnn: Really?\r\n\r\nDave: Former Detroit Lions coach; now he\u2019s with the Carolina Panthers. He was a lifter of men. He is a man of God! He\u2019s a lot like Tony Dungee\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014who I thought of!\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: Unbelievably humble; a lifter of others.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes, that\u2019s Jim. They\u2019re clones. I know Jim was, in many ways, discipled by Tony, but he\u2019d walk in a locker room or walk into a Bible study, you name it! His eyes were always on others, seeing greatness in them and lifting them up. You know, the other guy I thought of was Josh McAllen.\r\n\r\nAnn: Me, too. I thought of Josh.\r\n\r\nDave: He walks in a room, and he\u2019s a man of joy. He was only at Detroit as a quarterback\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014he\u2019s funny!\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014one season, and we just bonded and became great friends. Now, he\u2019s coaching the Heisman trophy winner from last year, Bryce Young. He\u2019s the quarterback coach down in Carolina with Jim Caldwell and another great man, Frank Wright, who you know, and I know.\r\n\r\nAnn: He was a player for Detroit.\r\n\r\nDave: Frank\u2019s a friend, and he\u2019s a lifter of men as well. And I\u2019m not just thinking of athletes, but those are the men who came to my mind.\r\n\r\nJeff: I can think of guys that have names we recognize, with big achievements, but how about a heating and air conditioning contractor who got his girlfriend pregnant at 19? He chose to marry her against his family\u2019s wishes. They kind of got mad at him, and he said, \u201cAlright!\u201d And he moved from Pittsburgh, all the way to California (and [he] didn\u2019t know God). She worked for Christian businesspeople in heating and air conditioning, and he worked for a different one. This is my friend, Chuck. \r\n\r\nHis wife said, \u201cChuck, you\u2019ve got to come work for these guys. They\u2019re so nice!\u201d He said, \u201cYes, but they\u2019re all churchy, Jesus-y; I don\u2019t like that junk.\u201d They lived it out. They were so honest and so ethical that they gave money back to customers who overpaid and stuff like that. He came and worked for them, and he ended up receiving Jesus. He should have been an attorney if he\u2019d been able to go to school (to law school). His mind was like that. He put it into the Bible, and he studied the Bible so well that we ended up kind of pushing our chaplain for the Rams to decide, because he brought in this guy to teach, and we made Chuck the chaplain. \r\n\r\nDave: Wow.\r\n\r\nJeff: And then, the Angels made him the chaplain; the Ducks\u2014Anaheim Ducks hockey team\u2014made him their chaplain; and he became my best friend. We moved into his neighborhood, and they took care of my family when I got traded to San Francisco, when I got traded to Seattle. He took care of my family. He sold a car for me. He served me unbelievably. He came to my house every morning for a year and taught me the Bible and Christianity. He played catch with me when I couldn\u2019t work out with the \u20189ers because I was in LA, and I couldn\u2019t work out with the Rams because I wasn\u2019t on the team anymore. \r\n\r\nUnbelievable friend! And every conversation was really real, honest, blue collar; funny sense of humor; no church \u201cChristianese.\u201d I\u2019m not against someone who knows a lot of that\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014right\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014but he always brought it back to God\u2019s truth. He knew the Scriptures so well, he\u2019d tie every conversation to God\u2019s way of doing things and God\u2019s principles in the Scriptures. He was the most popular chaplain, and we know this from history, of guys on all the teams. They said, \u201cI love that Obremski guy! I learned so much from him. I still have his notes!\u201d \r\n\r\nDave: Wow.\r\n\r\nAnn: There was a man in our hometown, Maury Sheets\u2014which is interesting, because I barely know him. I think they had six kids, and some of the kids were around our age. Dave knew them, too; but I didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home. Our family was great, but incredibly performance-oriented, so I felt a lot of pressure with everything I did to be the best at it, whether it be school or sports or relationships. This family and their kids were just nice, genuinely nice, and kind.\r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s cool.\r\n\r\nAnn: Super-fun! But talk about the power of a dad! This man, who had six kids, I remember him looking at me, barely knowing me. I can remember him holding my shoulders, looking me in the face, in the eyes, and saying, \u201cAnn Baron, there\u2019s something special about you. There\u2019s something really special about you.\u201d And I knew it wasn\u2019t what I did; it was who I was. \r\n\r\nIt was so compelling and attractive for this older man to have this sweet, pure motive, just saying, \u201cI see something in you.\u201d \r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s the Gideon principle.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, yes.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: And you\u2019re tearing up as you speak of it.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes!\r\n\r\nJeff: He helped speak into your identity, that the Father really gives you and sees.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, and I didn\u2019t even know the Father, but all I knew was, this family loved Jesus, and \u201cI want to know a Jesus who does something in a person\u2019s heart who can lift others like that.\u201d \r\n\r\nDave: Yes. All my life, Jeff, growing up in the same hometown, I wasn\u2019t a Christian. Anytime I got around this man\u2014because his son married a girl in my class, and every time I was around that guy\u2014I was thinking, \u201cIf that\u2019s what a Christian is, that\u2019s what I want to be!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Did you feel that, too?\r\n\r\nDave: He was\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014that\u2019s the shining light that Jesus said\u2014\r\n\r\nDave and Ann: \u2014yes!\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014\u201cLet your light shine.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Shine!\r\n\r\nJeff: That was my dad\u2019s favorite verse: \u201cLet your light shine\u2014\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014\u201cin such a way\u201d\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014\u201cso that your Father in heaven gets glory.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Yes, yes. He was a magnet to Jesus! He probably influenced me more than I even realized, because years later, I came to Christ, went back, and spoke at their church; and I can still see his smile. He\u2019s in heaven now, but man! He was a lifter.\r\n\r\nAnn: Right? And he\u2019s just a regular guy.\r\n\r\nJeff: Those type of men are cool! I interviewed 30 men, in addition to looking at everything I could find about Jesus, for this book. They were all men I respected who have integrity, and they lifted me: Robert Lewis,\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014yes\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014Tony Dungee, David Robbins with FamilyLife; and I interviewed Russell Wilson. Russell said that he was a hooligan; he was a troublemaker in junior high. All he liked was sports! All he cared about were his sports and himself. He said a man came into his life and lifted him to a different vision. His name was Booker Corrigan. He was a junior high teacher, and he pulled him aside and said, \u201cYou know, Russell, you have no idea! If you put as much energy into school (academics) and people, treating them well, as you put into sports, you have no idea how far you could go!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn: Wow.\r\n\r\nJeff: Russell said that hinge shifted his life! He also had met Jesus when he had a dream that his dad would die. He went to church the next day and accepted Jesus. But this man gave him the vision for an others-centered life, a lifting life. I\u2019m amazed! Russell\u2014he studied football, he practiced so much, and he did all this extra stuff. Every single Tuesday, he would go to Children\u2019s Hospital in Seattle, from the time he was a rookie all the way until he was MVP of the league. He would make sure he focused on serving others and calibrating himself.\r\n\r\nHe's not a perfect guy; I\u2019m not a perfect guy. Jesus is the perfect guy! But LIFT; Booker Corrigan was a lifter, and he influenced this other guy. \r\n\r\nDave: Yes, and I think we want to be known as \u201cBookers.\u201d This woman is a lifter! \r\n\r\nJeff: She is a lifter!\r\n\r\nAnn: Aww.\r\n\r\nDave: It\u2019s crazy to watch!\r\n\r\nJeff: And we\u2019re not talking about her bench press. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nDave: Yes; that\u2019s pretty good, too.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s what she does to lift the spirits, the identity, the vision; the stewardship of people\u2019s giftings; [she] lifts their spirits, lifts their hope. That\u2019s what lifting is!\r\n\r\nDave: Yes, she\u2019s a real man! [Laughter] That\u2019s what she is; she\u2019s a real man! No\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn: \u2014thanks, you guys. \r\n\r\nDave: I\u2019ve said this before, but I\u2019ve watched Ann, in airports, walk up to total strangers. I know what she\u2019s going to do. She starts walking, and I think, \u201cHere she goes!\u201d She feels like God has given her something to speak life into this person. I can\u2019t even hear the conversation, and I\u2019ll see this woman sitting in an airport chair, and you just see her face go from, maybe, discouraged or having a hard day or week\u2014maybe they\u2019ve got little kids; I\u2019ve seen you do it with moms on planes, picking up their bags\u2014and you just see their face go from discouragement to life. \r\n\r\nI\u2019m thinking, \u201cThere she goes. She did it again!\u201d She lifts you.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s not that hard to do, but many people don\u2019t. The reason\u2014I\u2019ve heard Ann; Ann used to not have confidence. Beautiful, young, talented; a \u201ccan do everything\u201d gal who didn\u2019t think she was good enough, didn\u2019t think she was special, didn\u2019t think she was cherished. She got her identity\u2014\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014right\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014through this relationship with Jesus over the years.\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes!\r\n\r\nJeff: Knowing who you are, your tank is full. Now, you\u2019re looking for \u201cwho can I pour it into?\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: Right.\r\n\r\nJeff: That\u2019s what we\u2019ve been talking about. Please, everybody\u2014me included\u2014let\u2019s receive totally who Father God, Abba Father, the real dad, says you are as His daughter or as His son. We men, particularly, need this, because we go for the image of performance and achievement too much.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: It\u2019s hurting us, and it\u2019s hurting our sons and daughters. It\u2019s messing up our marriages, and the Church is missing the Jesus-like studs that it needs. \r\n\r\nAnn: I agree, and you\u2014when men do this, we as women want to stand up and applaud: \u201cLook at you guys go!\u201d We long for that. We see it, and when we see it, it\u2019s pretty magnificent.\r\n\r\nDave: And I\u2019ll say this: we talked last night about a friend of ours, Jamie Winship, who walked into our church decades ago. He [had never known] who he was. Our global guy met him and, to make a long story short, one of the things Jamie said\u2014because he\u2019s always teaching from the Word of God about identity; it\u2019s everything about what he does. I\u2019ll never forget one of the first times I heard him speak. I had him come in and teach some Bible studies for the Detroit Lions. I thought, \u201cI want to get this guy in front of these guys.\u201d\r\n\r\nI remember him saying this: \u201cWhen you understand your identity in Christ\u2014when you understand who you are as a man, a beloved son, or a beloved daughter\u2014you walk in every room, and you own it! You\u2019re so fearless, because no longer are you trying to impress anybody in that room. You don\u2019t need to! You\u2019ve found out who you are in Christ. You are secure.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd that\u2019s one of your words; it\u2019s in your book: \u201csecurity\u201d and \u201cidentity.\u201d He said, \u201cThen, you walk into the room, and it\u2019s no longer about, \u2018What do I look like? What do they think of me? What am I going to say that\u2019s going to impress somebody?\u2019 Who cares! You now are others-centered.\u201d You\u2019re a lifter! It\u2019s like, \u201cIt\u2019s not about me anymore! I\u2019ve got it!\u201d\r\n\r\nJeff: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: I\u2019m totally fearless! \u201cOkay, I see somebody who needs a word? I can speak it with no fear, because\u2014\u201d\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014\u201cI don\u2019t need to fill my tank anymore.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave: Exactly!\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: It\u2019s filled!\r\n\r\nJeff: The Father\u2019s filled it, and now I\u2019m going to pour into others.\r\n\r\nDave: Yes.\r\n\r\nJeff: And when you\u2019re secure, then you can use all of His gifts. That\u2019s why we\u2019re talking so strongly about identity, and it all starts there. \u201cWhat\u2019s God\u2019s identity?\u201d and \u201cWho does He say I am because of what Christ did?\u201d Now, that might bring us back to the gospel. If you\u2019ve not yet received Christ\u2019s forgiveness and God\u2019s adoption as His son or daughter, you\u2019re not going to feel this sense of assurance and confidence. \r\n\r\nIt\u2019s awesome to be His son! Not only do you get eternal life, but you get a change in this life. Please ask God to search your heart and tell you that Jesus is the answer. Receive Him fully; accept Him. You know, \u201cbelieve\u201d means [to] put your faith in Him, not just say, \u201cI think a chair\u2019s going to hold me up.\u201d You sit down in the chair.\r\n\r\nDave: You trust Him. \r\n\r\nJeff: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: We\u2019re at a time of year, as the holidays are approaching, that we start thinking about Christmas; about Christ coming (being born for us) and then dying for us. What better time to surrender and give your life to Jesus?\r\n\r\nJeff: Receive the greatest gift ever! Not just Jesus and His forgiveness, but adoption as His son or daughter.\r\n\r\nDave: Jeff, pray with the listeners\u2014\r\n\r\nJeff: \u2014let\u2019s do it!\r\n\r\nAnn: Yes, why not? Let\u2019s do that.\r\n\r\nJeff: Father God, I just want to pray that any person who hasn\u2019t yet experienced total surrender, belief, and trust in Jesus Christ to give them complete assurance of forgiveness, and not just eternal life, but amazing life now, lived for Your purposes\u2014give them that experience through the power of Your Holy Spirit. And for those who do know Jesus but haven\u2019t let Him turn them into the adopted son or the adopted daughter, give them their identity. Give them an accurate view of You, Father, an accurate view of themselves; and help us all walk by receiving, listening, and depending on You every second of every day. In Jesus\u2019s Name, Amen.\r\n\r\nShelby: What a beautiful prayer to remind us of our need for Christ. You know, neediness in the Christin life is a good thing! I know it\u2019s the opposite of everything our culture screams at us today but be needy and watch God show up to do in our lives what we\u2019d never be able to accomplish in our power.\r\n\r\nI\u2019m Shelby Abbott. You\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Jeff Kemp on FamilyLife Today. Jeff has written a book called Receive: The Way of Jesus for Men. If you want to grow in your relationship with God, develop, and reach your potential as a man with Jesus, this book is going to help you do that. It's going to be our gift to you when you partner with us financially here at FamilyLife Today. So, how do you do that? You can go online to FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329. If you missed that, again, our number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d That will help you remember. And feel free to drop us something in the mail if you would like. Our address is FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, FL 32832. \r\n\r\nMake sure to check out Jeff\u2019s \u201cLevel Five Friendship Playbook\u201d in the show notes as well. Jeff is going to show you how to build a brotherhood of men and a small huddle of guys you can share everything with in life and grow closer together in Christ. Again, you can find all of that in the show notes today. Now, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear from a guest who wants to \u201cpunch you in the face,\u201d but she still loves Jesus at the same time. Sherri Lynn is going to be with us tomorrow to help us gain a deeper understanding of PMS. You won\u2019t want to miss tomorrow\u2019s show. We hope you\u2019ll join us. \r\n\r\nOn behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. 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