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She came up to me, crying, and she said, \u201cI just have to thank you for FamilyLife Today. I listen to it every single day, and I feel like I can\u2019t get through a day without it. And you\u2019ve brought me life and hope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, you\u2019re getting teary, talking about her.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I know, because it means so much. [Emotion in voice] We\u2019re behind the microphones; but to hear how we are meeting the needs of people, that gets me excited.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and we get emotional, because we\u2019ve been there.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, you\u2019ve got little kids running around the house.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You\u2019re exhausted; you\u2019re screaming back and forth with your husband. I mean, the stress that\u2019s on young families, we know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And maybe you are at a point where you\u2019re shaking your head, thinking, \u201cI remember those days.\u201d And now, you\u2019re in a different phase, and you have margin, and you can take a breath. Wouldn\u2019t it be a great Christmas present to give back to this ministry that\u2019s giving life to these young families?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, we want to encourage you and invite you, \u201cJoin us! Become a partner; a financial partner.\u201d I know you pray for us, but we get to speak life and practical help every single day into families like that. Your gift will make this possible. You can literally change a family\u2019s life by making a gift today. Here\u2019s the good news: [as] we\u2019re moving toward year-end, your gift is doubled. Think of that.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s amazing.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That is amazing, because there are people who say, \u201cWe want this so badly, we will match any gift given.\u201d You can be a partner with us today. You can change somebody\u2019s life.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I\u2019m just going to say, \u201cWe need you. We need you to impact families with us.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com right now and make a gift.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201cWhen my son leaves our house, which he is going to do in five or six years, who do I want him to be? How do I develop his character? What do I want him to know? How do I want to make him a wise man?\u201d And then, \u201cWhat do I want him to be able to do? What real world skills do I want this kid to have?\u201d If I don\u2019t do this for him, who is going to do this for him?<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: When our boys all turned 13, you took each of them out individually with a group of your guy friends, and you had your guy friends speak into their lives. What was that like?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, I mean each trip was me alone with my son, and then the guy part was usually a surprise.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It was really funny\u2014I don\u2019t know if we shared this here before, but our third son, Cody\u2014when I was getting ready to do the trip with Cody, he said\u2014do you [Ann] remember this?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: He goes, \u201cDad, whatever you did with CJ and Austin, they told me it really wasn\u2019t any good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201cIt was lame.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cSo, can you do something different?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat?! What are you talking about? It was the most epic journey of their life!\u201d He said, \u201cNo, they said the trip was incredible. The actual material that you used was dated.\u201d I won\u2019t tell you what I was using at the time, but when I heard that, I\u2019m like, \u201cOh.\u201d So, do you know what I did with my last one? We were going to the AFC Championship game\u2014the Steelers against the Patriots in Pittsburgh\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014which was perfect for him, because he is a sports guy.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, it fit him.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You did a different trip for each one.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It fit him. One of my former Detroit Lions, who played for the Steelers, got us tickets.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, I put together a list of topics we were going to talk about. I was just winging it now. I wasn\u2019t going to do what I did with them. So, I handed him this sheet of paper. We got in the car. We were going to be in the car for six hours. I said, \u201cCody, we\u2019re going to talk about every one of these, any order you want. Just pick it, and we\u2019ll talk about it. Let\u2019s talk about it. These are things men need to talk about.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll never forget. He looks over at me, he looks down at the sheet, and he goes, \u201cWe\u2019re going to talk about women\u2019s body parts?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cYes, we\u2019re going to talk about it.\u201d I mean, it was just anything and everything. It was an incredible trip, because we talked about stuff men need to talk about.<\/p>\n<p>In some ways, Ann, when you asked me that, it\u2019s like, \u201cYes,\u201d because I never had that experience with my dad. So, I wanted to try and create something that would be totally different with my sons. You\u2019d have to ask them what they thought of that.<\/p>\n<p>So, here we are today, talking about manhood stuff again with Jon Tyson, who is\u2014you know, you\u2019re the manliest man I think I\u2019ve ever met, Jon! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Nobody has ever said that to me before! [Laughter] I\u2019m 44 years old! That\u2019s a first! And it\u2019s not true, so thank you. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, here\u2019s the thing\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014I don\u2019t even know what that means. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014when I looked over at you, and you started smiling, I was like, \u201cI don\u2019t think he has heard that.\u201d Here is what I meant by that. When you think \u201cmanly man,\u201d you think this rugged\u2014I don\u2019t know, macho.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Well, back in the day, that was your picture.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, you sort of thought of The Rock [Dwayne D. Johnson], you know?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes. I mean, I think he still is a manly man\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014he is.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u2014the gold standard, perhaps.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: But when I think, \u201cmanly man,\u201d I think a man who encapsulates what God instilled a man to be. I mean that, Jon! I look at you, as we had lunch, and even as we\u2019ve done these shows together, it\u2019s like, \u201cYou capture what I believe God said a man of God should be.\u201d So, with that, I say, \u201cWelcome to FamilyLife Today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Oh, that\u2019s so kind! I really appreciate that. How do I get back on the show? [Laughter] Christy, darling, did you hear that? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, make sure she listens to that. Of course, you are talking about your wife Christy and your son Nate and your daughter\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Haley.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I\u2019ve got to ask you: \u201cWhat\u2019s it like being an empty nester?\u201d I mean, it\u2019s new to you.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Am I allowed to say \u201cincredible?\u201d I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s disrespectful. It\u2019s incredible. I think, when my son left\u2014he left to do a gap year\u2014everything in my heart was like, \u201cGo into the world, young man. Get after it. The safety net under your life is huge. Just go!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And then I\u2019m hugging my daughter about a month ago, and she literally says to me, \u201cWe need more time. We need more time. I need more wisdom from you. There hasn\u2019t been enough.\u201d Then I hug her, and she walks off.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But it\u2019s cool, Jon\u2014even as you say that, though\u2014I think every listener has just leaned in to think, \u201cI want to listen to a guy whose daughter would say that about him, and whose son\u201d\u2014what you just said about your son: \u201cGo into the world,\u201d because you feel confident, because you feel like you\u2019ve probably equipped him with the best that you could do. And that\u2019s what you mean, Dave, about being a man of God.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, I mean, I called it a manly man; but that is what I mean.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: If by manly man, you mean like a chubby, out-of-shape rugby player\u2014sort of a manly man\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cThank you!\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You\u2019ve got it! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s interesting the way you started, because it\u2019s in your book, The Intentional Father: A Practical Guide to Raise Sons of Courage and Character; but obviously, you haven\u2019t just done sons. You\u2019ve got a daughter as well. You\u2019ve done, obviously, rites of passage ceremonies. Walk us through this, because you started this at age 13.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What\u2019s the passage sort of look like?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I mean, to be clear, I had the whole thing in my mind, I think. You know, one of my favorite authors\u2014I realized when I was reading him: \u201cOh, he does this literary technique called bookending.\u201d Open with half a story, and then leave you in suspense the whole time; and then, close with that story. So, it was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to bookend this trip with my son. It\u2019s going to start with him running into the ocean, off the coast of New York. It\u2019s going to end with him running into the ocean off the coast of Spain at the end of this 500-mile walk called the Camino de Santiago.\u201d I was like, \u201cEverything is going to happen between those two baptisms. The first baptism is the baptism into the journey, and the second one is the baptism into manhood.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Oh, alright.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: It started with; I had formed a little cohort of friends with sons who were my son\u2019s age. I mapped this out. I presented this sort of overview of our time together in a PDF vision document. I said, \u201cI think I\u2019ve got something for us to take our sons through for the next few years.\u201d I had this little tribe\u2014like a group of dads, group of sons. I hyped this up for my son. So, I\u2019m still meeting with him every week, just doing hang-out time\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014talk about that just for a second. What do you mean, you are hanging out with him?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: So, it\u2019s like, basically\u2014I got this idea from Covey. He wrote a book called The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014right.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u2014which is, to this day, one of the best books on families I have ever read. His chapter was: \u201cYou give your kids time, and they set the agenda.\u201d So, I would say to my kids, \u201cWe will do anything you want in this time that we are having together, but I am so committed to you and having a great relationship with you. We\u2019ve got to prioritize this time. It\u2019s whatever you want to do. You want to go skateboarding; we\u2019ll skateboard. You set the agenda: \u2018If I could do anything with my dad, I would do this.\u2019\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019ll show up; I\u2019ll fund it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then I started to tell him, \u201cHey, man, when you hit 13, it\u2019s about to get real. You\u2019re going to enter into this journey into manhood. And men in every generation have done this. It\u2019s been lost, but we\u2019ve recovered it. It\u2019s going to be very hard for you. I mean, I think you\u2019ve got what it takes, but we\u2019re going to test that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He would be like, \u201cWhat are you talking about? What are you talking about?\u201d Then we took them down to the beach. We actually went to Coney Island, which is still a pretty amazing place in New York City. We took them out there, and then we took them down to the beach. We had this ceremony, gave them this speech, talked about this formational process, how it was done in other cultures; then had them strip down to their swim trunks and run into the ocean: \u201cThis is a baptism of your birth into manhood.\u201d Then we spent the rest of the night talking with them about it and hanging out at Coney Island.<\/p>\n<p>I wanted it to have a content component: \u201cHere is a vision speech.\u201d I wanted it to feel solemn. And, in some sense, healthy intimidation; like a little bit of the fear of God. Then, I wanted it to be something really enjoyable that they would remember: \u201cDo you remember that night, late summer, right at dusk, where they took us out?\u201d I wanted them to have sort of like a rich, aesthetic experience, you know, connected to it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: At 21, does he recall that in that way?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, and if he doesn\u2019t recall it, he has a video of it: \u201cMan, here\u2019s you and some mates!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: So, I\u2019ve got photos of all of it. He does remember that. He will say things like\u2014you know, his recollection now is funny; he\u2019ll be like\u2014\u201cOh, that was really interesting. I didn\u2019t quite comprehend how serious you were about all of that. It seemed pretty vague, but I was grateful for it. That was a great night.\u201d You know, lots of those sorts of things.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And then, what happened after? Because I think a lot of men\u2014at least, in my generation\u2014from Robert Lewis and other authors, gave us some pictures and visions of what ceremonies could look like. I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m exactly right, but a lot of us did the ceremony and then that was it. It was like, after the ceremony, it was like there was a period of time or years until the next ceremony, but it wasn\u2019t always something in between.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I think that\u2019s because a lot of dads just didn\u2019t know what to do.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right. So, what did you do in between?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I basically\u2014two things! I basically spent a lot of time thinking, and I said this: \u201cWhen my son leaves our house,\u201d which he is going to do in five or six years, \u201cWho do I want him to be? How do I develop his character? What do I want him to know? How do I make him a wise man?\u201d And then, \u201cWhat do I want him to be able to do? What real world skills do I want this kid to have?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then, I basically reverse-engineered to when he was 13, and, basically, built out a calendar. The calendar was like: \u201cOkay, this month, we\u2019re going to talk about this,\u201d \u201cThis month, we\u2019re going to talk about this,\u201d \u201cI think this might take two months. I\u2019ll do that for two months.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I basically did a big-picture brainstorming and then reverse-engineering, and then filled in daily events, weekly events. I had a little daily connection, which we just called The Primal Path. It can be as simple as this: \u201cHere is a section of Scripture, here is a quote from a godly guy, and here is one question I want you to think about today.\u201d You can do that in ten minutes in the morning; but the compound effect of ten minutes a day for five years can be radically transformative.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Jon, what is so impressive to me about this is, you are a pastor of a large church. You\u2019ve got a lot going on. People are pulling you in every direction. I think a lot of dads feel like that, like, \u201cMan, my life is so busy! I\u2019m building my career.\u201d Yet, you carved out that time because it was a priority to you.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I loved my son! I love this kid.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I was like, \u201cIf I don\u2019t do this for him, who is going to do this for him? He\u2019s just going to do this on Google.\u201d I saw a day of my son at 25, just saying, \u201cDad, why didn\u2019t you? What was so important in the church that you couldn\u2019t?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A lot of this was based on a very painful conversation I had had, about a decade earlier, with my best mate. He had said to me\u2014he grew up in a home, where his dad had a small business\u2014his dad, every night, was never around, because he was always at the small business. He said, \u201cIt wasn\u2019t until I was older, and went into business and understood how business works, that I realized that, what my dad did every night, he could have paid an accountant to do it for $10 in 5 minutes, but I lost my childhood, because he didn\u2019t do that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then he listed out the specific things his dad\u2014He said, \u201cMy dad traded those little widgets for my teenage years.\u201d I just remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not going to do that to my kid!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201cI will not let the crises of my people rob this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to form my son.\u201d I went into it with that conversation ringing in my ears.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, it was a lot of work. I want to say this: \u201cListen, if you want to break generational cycles, it\u2019s going to be intense; but do you know what is more intense? Not breaking them and spending the next 40 years frustrated at the same stuff.\u201d So, you pick your pain point\u2014pick your price pain point. I was like, \u201cI\u2019m never going to get this chance again. I\u2019ve got to prioritize this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll say two things: number one, what I did in a typical day looked very, very small compared to what a lot of other dads did. You wouldn\u2019t look at my life and say, \u201cYou are doing something radically different.\u201d It was like, \u201cHey, you use your mornings. You do<\/p>\n<p>30 minutes differently.\u201d About 5 years in, that\u2019s hundreds of hours, and it was like, \u201cYou\u2019ve built a different life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I want to say that to encourage people. Don\u2019t look at the big picture and be overwhelmed. Look at the daily opportunity and do what you can. And small moments of intentionality can have a life-changing impact if they are done consistently. That was the goal, basically: \u201cThread the needle between large events.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201cThread the needle. Put content in there,\u201d you know?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and I\u2019m just sitting here, listening, thinking, \u201cThere is a dad listening right now who doesn\u2019t even realize God just spoke to him.\u201d Because He is using Jon Tyson right now, a person, to tell his story, and he just spoke to this dad, who said, \u2018I have been selling my life to a widget or to a dollar, and my son or my daughter is sitting right across the table. I\u2019m not at that table, because I\u2019m at work.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m just telling you, dude, this was a moment God just spoke and said, \u201cYou have a chance right now.\u201d If you have a five-year-old, ten-year-old, twelve-year-old, thirteen-year-old, fifteen-year-old in your home\u2014I\u2019m an older dad, who says, \u201cThey are going to be gone when you blink. So, make the move right now. Say, \u2018Okay, you know what? I\u2019m not going to miss the next five years. I\u2019m going to do what Jon\u2014\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Pick up Jon\u2019s book and just follow the pathway. But man, you just modeled for so many! I\u2019m sitting here thinking, \u201cMan, if I was a young dad again, I would do it differently because of what you\u2019ve said.\u201d You did it that way\u2014again, you didn\u2019t do it perfectly\u2014but you modeled for us, and you\u2019ve written it all down in your book.<\/p>\n<p>Talk about this: as you walk through 13, you know, you\u2019ve got those 5 years. What made you think you needed a gap year with your son?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Well, it was getting back to what we talked about in the first episode: this concept of the crucible; the testing; the ordeal. I knew, as a youth pastor, how many kids went straight from youth group to college and spent the first three months doing everything within their power to experience all of the freedoms that were suppressed through moralism the previous six years.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I\u2019m not slamming those young kids. There is flawed design experience here. What do you think is going to happen?<\/p>\n<p>Why do the Mormons send their kids on a two-year thing? Do you want to know why? To form them into Mormons. There are other organizations that do this. Christian church doesn\u2019t seem to do it. I was like, \u201cOkay, I would have given anything\u2014anything\u2014to have a year to explore the world, to see other cultures, to feel God\u2019s heart.\u201d So, I said, \u201cLook, I want to irreparably break my son\u2019s heart for the global poor, and I don\u2019t want him to be an entitled American, which is what happens if you grow up in America. I want him to see if the stuff he has learned works in real life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My son had a few character flaws\u2014like nagging character flaws\u2014I could not get out of him. I just couldn\u2019t get out of him. The process of formation starts in your mind, then your attitude changes. Then you do it, and then it becomes a culture. I could never get it past his mind and attitude. He always liked it, agreed with it, but never would do it. Well, you throw him into a group of people, [where] he is living in super proximate engagements with for a year, and two weeks in, he\u2019s like, \u201cDad, you\u2019re completely right. I\u2019m getting that stuff out of my life. I do not want to be that guy in the group.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My son\u2014the number one thing: Nate\u2014I don\u2019t think he would mind me sharing this\u2014 was a complainer. He was a whiner. When everything was going great, it was great; but when it wasn\u2019t going good, he just would whine. He left my house a whiner, and he came back from that trip, and he\u2019s fundamentally a different person. My son almost never complains. He just handles it! I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat happened?\u201d He goes, \u201cI watched myself, like almost out of my body, be the whiner, and I was like, \u2018You are not going out like that!\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So now, he just like handles stuff. He\u2019s like, \u201cLet me just load that on my back and get it done. I don\u2019t want to be that guy that complains.\u201d That was formed in the gap year. All of my efforts, all of my intentionality, could not do what two weeks of a trip with peers did. Do you know what I mean? It\u2019s amazing. So, yes, I wanted him to see what was in him. I wanted to test it. I wanted him to see God\u2019s kingdom outside of the US context. He went with an organization called the World Race\u2014a YWAM sort of a thing, and he just came back transformed.<\/p>\n<p>One of the weaknesses that I think these organizations do, sometimes, is they don\u2019t have a reintegration. These kids are living in the book of Acts.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: They have peak teenage energy, around peers, and then they dump them back in America! So, the kids often are like, \u201cWas that even real? Was that just group manipulation?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cI want to close this out by doing a process with my son. I want to do this walk with him, which is the backend, called the Camino de Santiago. \u201cLet\u2019s just hike for 33 days across Spain together.\u201d Pilgrims have been doing this for 1,000 years; it\u2019s like an embodiment of our journey together.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And your church let you do this?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, they did let me do this. I mean, I\u2019ve probably undertaken vacation over the years, rather than abuse my vacation time. They\u2019re excited.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sure.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I mean, they\u2014like modeling this\u2014you want a pastor spending time with his kids like this.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: And there is nothing to do on this walk but talk for like six hours a day of walking. It\u2019s just like you talk about it all. I had questions prepared for every day to sort of recap what we\u2019d gone over during this journey together. Then, I had some stuff about his trip: \u201cWhat did you learn? What did you learn about God? What did you learn about self? What did you learn about how life works?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>At the end of that trip, we went into this cove in Spain in a town called Finisterre, which is where the pilgrims, traditionally, hiked this journey, and they left something to show: \u201cThe journey is over.\u201d They used to burn out on the beach, but now they changed the rules, where you can\u2019t set stuff on fire; but it was like, \u201cYou\u2019re going to leave your childhood behind on this beach. You\u2019re going to walk into this water, and you are going to come out, and I will recognize you as a man.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We had this ceremony. I have all these letters written by friends who\u2019ve walked with him. I read this over him. I go through everything I can think of that I love about him, and then he runs into the ocean, and he comes out. I just scream out: \u201cBehold a man emerges from the ocean!\u201d It was wild, and that\u2019s basically how we sort of finished it out.<\/p>\n<p>It started in New York, as a 13-year-old, and ended in Spain as a 19-year-old with 1,000 beautiful moments of pain, heartache, joy, and struggle in between.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Let me just say, \u201cThat makes me cry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Because I think, as we look at our culture, and we look at what is happening with our teens today\u2014our young men and women\u2014suffering with severe depression, anxiety, suicide. To hear that\u2014to envision your son coming out of the water, and you saying that to him\u2014it\u2019s what we all long for as parents. We want our kids to feel like, \u201cGod has made you. He has prepared you. He has equipped you, and He has something great for you.\u201d Because God is saying that to us: \u201cI\u2019ve made you on purpose for a purpose.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think most of us, and a lot of our kids\u2014I would say a lot of us and most of our kids\u2014have no idea what that is. So, they are trying to find their life and fulfillment through what the culture says will bring them joy and life.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: What you did is you equipped your son and said: \u201cThis is who you are, and this is what God has placed in you; and I can\u2019t wait to see.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and in some ways\u2014you said this is what every parent longs for; it\u2019s what every son and daughter longs for. I mean, it reminded me of the baptism of Jesus when God spoke.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: That\u2019s what I modeled the whole thing off, man.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I was like, \u201cI want the loudest voice in my son\u2019s life to be that voice of affirmation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201c\u2018My dad is for me\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, that is awesome. Here is one last question: \u201cAny regrets?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Any regrets? Aw, I\u2019ve got regrets. I think, if I could give you one regret: I travel quite a bit. I would still do this: we would get up, and we would do it on FaceTime\u00ae; we\u2019d do it on Skype\u00ae. I was very, very consistent; but I would trade a few of those trips to be back in the home and do it in person.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: It was like I was still intentional, still connected; but I ached for a few more mornings in person. I was there the majority of the time; but still, some of those are like, \u201cI would do anything to get that time back.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and I have a feeling there are men listening that are going to be sitting at a table with their son and daughter because of this program. You\u2019ve changed some dads. Thanks, Jon.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, what an honor. Thanks for having me.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Do you want your voice as a father to be the loudest voice of encouragement in your son\u2019s life? Wow! Such a great question. Regardless of your past failures, you can start being that encouraging voice right now. All it takes is just making some simple changes to be super-intentional with your son or sons.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Jon Tyson on FamilyLife Today. Jon has written a book called The Intentional Father: A Practical Guide to Raise Sons of Courage and Character. You can pick up a copy of his book at FamilyLifeToday.com; then click on \u201cToday\u2019s Resources.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>You know, this is a critical time to donate, as we\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry come alongside us to provide a match program. That means that any gift you give to FamilyLife will be doubled all month long. So, if you give a gift of $50, it becomes $100; but only during this month. So, thank you in advance for linking arms with us and investing in our mission.<\/p>\n<p>Your gifts from your home and your heart are making a Kingdom difference. You can go online to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page, or you can give us a call at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d And if you love paper and envelopes, and doing it the old-school way, that\u2019s great! Feel free to drop us something in the mail. 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She came up to me, crying, and she said, \u201cI just have to thank you for FamilyLife Today. I listen to it every single day, and I feel like I can\u2019t get through a day without it. And you\u2019ve brought me life and hope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, you\u2019re getting teary, talking about her.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I know, because it means so much. [Emotion in voice] We\u2019re behind the microphones; but to hear how we are meeting the needs of people, that gets me excited.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and we get emotional, because we\u2019ve been there.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, you\u2019ve got little kids running around the house.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You\u2019re exhausted; you\u2019re screaming back and forth with your husband. I mean, the stress that\u2019s on young families, we know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And maybe you are at a point where you\u2019re shaking your head, thinking, \u201cI remember those days.\u201d And now, you\u2019re in a different phase, and you have margin, and you can take a breath. Wouldn\u2019t it be a great Christmas present to give back to this ministry that\u2019s giving life to these young families?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, we want to encourage you and invite you, \u201cJoin us! Become a partner; a financial partner.\u201d I know you pray for us, but we get to speak life and practical help every single day into families like that. Your gift will make this possible. You can literally change a family\u2019s life by making a gift today. Here\u2019s the good news: [as] we\u2019re moving toward year-end, your gift is doubled. Think of that.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s amazing.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That is amazing, because there are people who say, \u201cWe want this so badly, we will match any gift given.\u201d You can be a partner with us today. You can change somebody\u2019s life.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I\u2019m just going to say, \u201cWe need you. We need you to impact families with us.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com right now and make a gift.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201cWhen my son leaves our house, which he is going to do in five or six years, who do I want him to be? How do I develop his character? What do I want him to know? How do I want to make him a wise man?\u201d And then, \u201cWhat do I want him to be able to do? What real world skills do I want this kid to have?\u201d If I don\u2019t do this for him, who is going to do this for him?<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: When our boys all turned 13, you took each of them out individually with a group of your guy friends, and you had your guy friends speak into their lives. What was that like?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, I mean each trip was me alone with my son, and then the guy part was usually a surprise.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It was really funny\u2014I don\u2019t know if we shared this here before, but our third son, Cody\u2014when I was getting ready to do the trip with Cody, he said\u2014do you [Ann] remember this?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: He goes, \u201cDad, whatever you did with CJ and Austin, they told me it really wasn\u2019t any good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201cIt was lame.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cSo, can you do something different?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat?! What are you talking about? It was the most epic journey of their life!\u201d He said, \u201cNo, they said the trip was incredible. The actual material that you used was dated.\u201d I won\u2019t tell you what I was using at the time, but when I heard that, I\u2019m like, \u201cOh.\u201d So, do you know what I did with my last one? We were going to the AFC Championship game\u2014the Steelers against the Patriots in Pittsburgh\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014which was perfect for him, because he is a sports guy.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, it fit him.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You did a different trip for each one.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It fit him. One of my former Detroit Lions, who played for the Steelers, got us tickets.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, I put together a list of topics we were going to talk about. I was just winging it now. I wasn\u2019t going to do what I did with them. So, I handed him this sheet of paper. We got in the car. We were going to be in the car for six hours. I said, \u201cCody, we\u2019re going to talk about every one of these, any order you want. Just pick it, and we\u2019ll talk about it. Let\u2019s talk about it. These are things men need to talk about.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll never forget. He looks over at me, he looks down at the sheet, and he goes, \u201cWe\u2019re going to talk about women\u2019s body parts?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cYes, we\u2019re going to talk about it.\u201d I mean, it was just anything and everything. It was an incredible trip, because we talked about stuff men need to talk about.<\/p>\n<p>In some ways, Ann, when you asked me that, it\u2019s like, \u201cYes,\u201d because I never had that experience with my dad. So, I wanted to try and create something that would be totally different with my sons. You\u2019d have to ask them what they thought of that.<\/p>\n<p>So, here we are today, talking about manhood stuff again with Jon Tyson, who is\u2014you know, you\u2019re the manliest man I think I\u2019ve ever met, Jon! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Nobody has ever said that to me before! [Laughter] I\u2019m 44 years old! That\u2019s a first! And it\u2019s not true, so thank you. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, here\u2019s the thing\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014I don\u2019t even know what that means. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014when I looked over at you, and you started smiling, I was like, \u201cI don\u2019t think he has heard that.\u201d Here is what I meant by that. When you think \u201cmanly man,\u201d you think this rugged\u2014I don\u2019t know, macho.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Well, back in the day, that was your picture.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, you sort of thought of The Rock [Dwayne D. Johnson], you know?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes. I mean, I think he still is a manly man\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014he is.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u2014the gold standard, perhaps.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: But when I think, \u201cmanly man,\u201d I think a man who encapsulates what God instilled a man to be. I mean that, Jon! I look at you, as we had lunch, and even as we\u2019ve done these shows together, it\u2019s like, \u201cYou capture what I believe God said a man of God should be.\u201d So, with that, I say, \u201cWelcome to FamilyLife Today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Oh, that\u2019s so kind! I really appreciate that. How do I get back on the show? [Laughter] Christy, darling, did you hear that? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, make sure she listens to that. Of course, you are talking about your wife Christy and your son Nate and your daughter\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Haley.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I\u2019ve got to ask you: \u201cWhat\u2019s it like being an empty nester?\u201d I mean, it\u2019s new to you.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Am I allowed to say \u201cincredible?\u201d I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s disrespectful. It\u2019s incredible. I think, when my son left\u2014he left to do a gap year\u2014everything in my heart was like, \u201cGo into the world, young man. Get after it. The safety net under your life is huge. Just go!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And then I\u2019m hugging my daughter about a month ago, and she literally says to me, \u201cWe need more time. We need more time. I need more wisdom from you. There hasn\u2019t been enough.\u201d Then I hug her, and she walks off.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But it\u2019s cool, Jon\u2014even as you say that, though\u2014I think every listener has just leaned in to think, \u201cI want to listen to a guy whose daughter would say that about him, and whose son\u201d\u2014what you just said about your son: \u201cGo into the world,\u201d because you feel confident, because you feel like you\u2019ve probably equipped him with the best that you could do. And that\u2019s what you mean, Dave, about being a man of God.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, I mean, I called it a manly man; but that is what I mean.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: If by manly man, you mean like a chubby, out-of-shape rugby player\u2014sort of a manly man\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cThank you!\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You\u2019ve got it! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s interesting the way you started, because it\u2019s in your book, The Intentional Father: A Practical Guide to Raise Sons of Courage and Character; but obviously, you haven\u2019t just done sons. You\u2019ve got a daughter as well. You\u2019ve done, obviously, rites of passage ceremonies. Walk us through this, because you started this at age 13.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What\u2019s the passage sort of look like?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I mean, to be clear, I had the whole thing in my mind, I think. You know, one of my favorite authors\u2014I realized when I was reading him: \u201cOh, he does this literary technique called bookending.\u201d Open with half a story, and then leave you in suspense the whole time; and then, close with that story. So, it was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to bookend this trip with my son. It\u2019s going to start with him running into the ocean, off the coast of New York. 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What do you mean, you are hanging out with him?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: So, it\u2019s like, basically\u2014I got this idea from Covey. He wrote a book called The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014right.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u2014which is, to this day, one of the best books on families I have ever read. His chapter was: \u201cYou give your kids time, and they set the agenda.\u201d So, I would say to my kids, \u201cWe will do anything you want in this time that we are having together, but I am so committed to you and having a great relationship with you. We\u2019ve got to prioritize this time. It\u2019s whatever you want to do. You want to go skateboarding; we\u2019ll skateboard. You set the agenda: \u2018If I could do anything with my dad, I would do this.\u2019\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019ll show up; I\u2019ll fund it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then I started to tell him, \u201cHey, man, when you hit 13, it\u2019s about to get real. You\u2019re going to enter into this journey into manhood. And men in every generation have done this. It\u2019s been lost, but we\u2019ve recovered it. It\u2019s going to be very hard for you. I mean, I think you\u2019ve got what it takes, but we\u2019re going to test that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He would be like, \u201cWhat are you talking about? What are you talking about?\u201d Then we took them down to the beach. We actually went to Coney Island, which is still a pretty amazing place in New York City. We took them out there, and then we took them down to the beach. We had this ceremony, gave them this speech, talked about this formational process, how it was done in other cultures; then had them strip down to their swim trunks and run into the ocean: \u201cThis is a baptism of your birth into manhood.\u201d Then we spent the rest of the night talking with them about it and hanging out at Coney Island.<\/p>\n<p>I wanted it to have a content component: \u201cHere is a vision speech.\u201d I wanted it to feel solemn. And, in some sense, healthy intimidation; like a little bit of the fear of God. Then, I wanted it to be something really enjoyable that they would remember: \u201cDo you remember that night, late summer, right at dusk, where they took us out?\u201d I wanted them to have sort of like a rich, aesthetic experience, you know, connected to it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: At 21, does he recall that in that way?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, and if he doesn\u2019t recall it, he has a video of it: \u201cMan, here\u2019s you and some mates!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: So, I\u2019ve got photos of all of it. He does remember that. He will say things like\u2014you know, his recollection now is funny; he\u2019ll be like\u2014\u201cOh, that was really interesting. I didn\u2019t quite comprehend how serious you were about all of that. It seemed pretty vague, but I was grateful for it. That was a great night.\u201d You know, lots of those sorts of things.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And then, what happened after? Because I think a lot of men\u2014at least, in my generation\u2014from Robert Lewis and other authors, gave us some pictures and visions of what ceremonies could look like. I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m exactly right, but a lot of us did the ceremony and then that was it. It was like, after the ceremony, it was like there was a period of time or years until the next ceremony, but it wasn\u2019t always something in between.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I think that\u2019s because a lot of dads just didn\u2019t know what to do.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right. So, what did you do in between?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I basically\u2014two things! I basically spent a lot of time thinking, and I said this: \u201cWhen my son leaves our house,\u201d which he is going to do in five or six years, \u201cWho do I want him to be? How do I develop his character? What do I want him to know? How do I make him a wise man?\u201d And then, \u201cWhat do I want him to be able to do? What real world skills do I want this kid to have?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then, I basically reverse-engineered to when he was 13, and, basically, built out a calendar. The calendar was like: \u201cOkay, this month, we\u2019re going to talk about this,\u201d \u201cThis month, we\u2019re going to talk about this,\u201d \u201cI think this might take two months. I\u2019ll do that for two months.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I basically did a big-picture brainstorming and then reverse-engineering, and then filled in daily events, weekly events. I had a little daily connection, which we just called The Primal Path. It can be as simple as this: \u201cHere is a section of Scripture, here is a quote from a godly guy, and here is one question I want you to think about today.\u201d You can do that in ten minutes in the morning; but the compound effect of ten minutes a day for five years can be radically transformative.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Jon, what is so impressive to me about this is, you are a pastor of a large church. You\u2019ve got a lot going on. People are pulling you in every direction. I think a lot of dads feel like that, like, \u201cMan, my life is so busy! I\u2019m building my career.\u201d Yet, you carved out that time because it was a priority to you.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I loved my son! I love this kid.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I was like, \u201cIf I don\u2019t do this for him, who is going to do this for him? He\u2019s just going to do this on Google.\u201d I saw a day of my son at 25, just saying, \u201cDad, why didn\u2019t you? What was so important in the church that you couldn\u2019t?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A lot of this was based on a very painful conversation I had had, about a decade earlier, with my best mate. He had said to me\u2014he grew up in a home, where his dad had a small business\u2014his dad, every night, was never around, because he was always at the small business. He said, \u201cIt wasn\u2019t until I was older, and went into business and understood how business works, that I realized that, what my dad did every night, he could have paid an accountant to do it for $10 in 5 minutes, but I lost my childhood, because he didn\u2019t do that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then he listed out the specific things his dad\u2014He said, \u201cMy dad traded those little widgets for my teenage years.\u201d I just remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not going to do that to my kid!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201cI will not let the crises of my people rob this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to form my son.\u201d I went into it with that conversation ringing in my ears.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, it was a lot of work. I want to say this: \u201cListen, if you want to break generational cycles, it\u2019s going to be intense; but do you know what is more intense? Not breaking them and spending the next 40 years frustrated at the same stuff.\u201d So, you pick your pain point\u2014pick your price pain point. I was like, \u201cI\u2019m never going to get this chance again. I\u2019ve got to prioritize this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll say two things: number one, what I did in a typical day looked very, very small compared to what a lot of other dads did. You wouldn\u2019t look at my life and say, \u201cYou are doing something radically different.\u201d It was like, \u201cHey, you use your mornings. You do<\/p>\n<p>30 minutes differently.\u201d About 5 years in, that\u2019s hundreds of hours, and it was like, \u201cYou\u2019ve built a different life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I want to say that to encourage people. Don\u2019t look at the big picture and be overwhelmed. Look at the daily opportunity and do what you can. And small moments of intentionality can have a life-changing impact if they are done consistently. That was the goal, basically: \u201cThread the needle between large events.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201cThread the needle. Put content in there,\u201d you know?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and I\u2019m just sitting here, listening, thinking, \u201cThere is a dad listening right now who doesn\u2019t even realize God just spoke to him.\u201d Because He is using Jon Tyson right now, a person, to tell his story, and he just spoke to this dad, who said, \u2018I have been selling my life to a widget or to a dollar, and my son or my daughter is sitting right across the table. I\u2019m not at that table, because I\u2019m at work.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m just telling you, dude, this was a moment God just spoke and said, \u201cYou have a chance right now.\u201d If you have a five-year-old, ten-year-old, twelve-year-old, thirteen-year-old, fifteen-year-old in your home\u2014I\u2019m an older dad, who says, \u201cThey are going to be gone when you blink. So, make the move right now. Say, \u2018Okay, you know what? I\u2019m not going to miss the next five years. I\u2019m going to do what Jon\u2014\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Pick up Jon\u2019s book and just follow the pathway. But man, you just modeled for so many! I\u2019m sitting here thinking, \u201cMan, if I was a young dad again, I would do it differently because of what you\u2019ve said.\u201d You did it that way\u2014again, you didn\u2019t do it perfectly\u2014but you modeled for us, and you\u2019ve written it all down in your book.<\/p>\n<p>Talk about this: as you walk through 13, you know, you\u2019ve got those 5 years. What made you think you needed a gap year with your son?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Well, it was getting back to what we talked about in the first episode: this concept of the crucible; the testing; the ordeal. I knew, as a youth pastor, how many kids went straight from youth group to college and spent the first three months doing everything within their power to experience all of the freedoms that were suppressed through moralism the previous six years.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I\u2019m not slamming those young kids. There is flawed design experience here. What do you think is going to happen?<\/p>\n<p>Why do the Mormons send their kids on a two-year thing? Do you want to know why? To form them into Mormons. There are other organizations that do this. Christian church doesn\u2019t seem to do it. I was like, \u201cOkay, I would have given anything\u2014anything\u2014to have a year to explore the world, to see other cultures, to feel God\u2019s heart.\u201d So, I said, \u201cLook, I want to irreparably break my son\u2019s heart for the global poor, and I don\u2019t want him to be an entitled American, which is what happens if you grow up in America. I want him to see if the stuff he has learned works in real life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My son had a few character flaws\u2014like nagging character flaws\u2014I could not get out of him. I just couldn\u2019t get out of him. The process of formation starts in your mind, then your attitude changes. Then you do it, and then it becomes a culture. I could never get it past his mind and attitude. He always liked it, agreed with it, but never would do it. Well, you throw him into a group of people, [where] he is living in super proximate engagements with for a year, and two weeks in, he\u2019s like, \u201cDad, you\u2019re completely right. I\u2019m getting that stuff out of my life. I do not want to be that guy in the group.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My son\u2014the number one thing: Nate\u2014I don\u2019t think he would mind me sharing this\u2014 was a complainer. He was a whiner. When everything was going great, it was great; but when it wasn\u2019t going good, he just would whine. He left my house a whiner, and he came back from that trip, and he\u2019s fundamentally a different person. My son almost never complains. He just handles it! I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat happened?\u201d He goes, \u201cI watched myself, like almost out of my body, be the whiner, and I was like, \u2018You are not going out like that!\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So now, he just like handles stuff. He\u2019s like, \u201cLet me just load that on my back and get it done. I don\u2019t want to be that guy that complains.\u201d That was formed in the gap year. All of my efforts, all of my intentionality, could not do what two weeks of a trip with peers did. Do you know what I mean? It\u2019s amazing. So, yes, I wanted him to see what was in him. I wanted to test it. I wanted him to see God\u2019s kingdom outside of the US context. He went with an organization called the World Race\u2014a YWAM sort of a thing, and he just came back transformed.<\/p>\n<p>One of the weaknesses that I think these organizations do, sometimes, is they don\u2019t have a reintegration. These kids are living in the book of Acts.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: They have peak teenage energy, around peers, and then they dump them back in America! So, the kids often are like, \u201cWas that even real? Was that just group manipulation?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cI want to close this out by doing a process with my son. I want to do this walk with him, which is the backend, called the Camino de Santiago. \u201cLet\u2019s just hike for 33 days across Spain together.\u201d Pilgrims have been doing this for 1,000 years; it\u2019s like an embodiment of our journey together.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And your church let you do this?<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, they did let me do this. I mean, I\u2019ve probably undertaken vacation over the years, rather than abuse my vacation time. They\u2019re excited.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sure.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I mean, they\u2014like modeling this\u2014you want a pastor spending time with his kids like this.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: And there is nothing to do on this walk but talk for like six hours a day of walking. It\u2019s just like you talk about it all. I had questions prepared for every day to sort of recap what we\u2019d gone over during this journey together. Then, I had some stuff about his trip: \u201cWhat did you learn? What did you learn about God? What did you learn about self? What did you learn about how life works?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>At the end of that trip, we went into this cove in Spain in a town called Finisterre, which is where the pilgrims, traditionally, hiked this journey, and they left something to show: \u201cThe journey is over.\u201d They used to burn out on the beach, but now they changed the rules, where you can\u2019t set stuff on fire; but it was like, \u201cYou\u2019re going to leave your childhood behind on this beach. You\u2019re going to walk into this water, and you are going to come out, and I will recognize you as a man.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We had this ceremony. I have all these letters written by friends who\u2019ve walked with him. I read this over him. I go through everything I can think of that I love about him, and then he runs into the ocean, and he comes out. I just scream out: \u201cBehold a man emerges from the ocean!\u201d It was wild, and that\u2019s basically how we sort of finished it out.<\/p>\n<p>It started in New York, as a 13-year-old, and ended in Spain as a 19-year-old with 1,000 beautiful moments of pain, heartache, joy, and struggle in between.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Let me just say, \u201cThat makes me cry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Because I think, as we look at our culture, and we look at what is happening with our teens today\u2014our young men and women\u2014suffering with severe depression, anxiety, suicide. To hear that\u2014to envision your son coming out of the water, and you saying that to him\u2014it\u2019s what we all long for as parents. We want our kids to feel like, \u201cGod has made you. He has prepared you. He has equipped you, and He has something great for you.\u201d Because God is saying that to us: \u201cI\u2019ve made you on purpose for a purpose.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think most of us, and a lot of our kids\u2014I would say a lot of us and most of our kids\u2014have no idea what that is. So, they are trying to find their life and fulfillment through what the culture says will bring them joy and life.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: What you did is you equipped your son and said: \u201cThis is who you are, and this is what God has placed in you; and I can\u2019t wait to see.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and in some ways\u2014you said this is what every parent longs for; it\u2019s what every son and daughter longs for. I mean, it reminded me of the baptism of Jesus when God spoke.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: That\u2019s what I modeled the whole thing off, man.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Jon: I was like, \u201cI want the loudest voice in my son\u2019s life to be that voice of affirmation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: \u201c\u2018My dad is for me\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, that is awesome. Here is one last question: \u201cAny regrets?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Any regrets? Aw, I\u2019ve got regrets. I think, if I could give you one regret: I travel quite a bit. I would still do this: we would get up, and we would do it on FaceTime\u00ae; we\u2019d do it on Skype\u00ae. I was very, very consistent; but I would trade a few of those trips to be back in the home and do it in person.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: It was like I was still intentional, still connected; but I ached for a few more mornings in person. I was there the majority of the time; but still, some of those are like, \u201cI would do anything to get that time back.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, and I have a feeling there are men listening that are going to be sitting at a table with their son and daughter because of this program. You\u2019ve changed some dads. Thanks, Jon.<\/p>\n<p>Jon: Yes, what an honor. Thanks for having me.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Do you want your voice as a father to be the loudest voice of encouragement in your son\u2019s life? Wow! Such a great question. Regardless of your past failures, you can start being that encouraging voice right now. All it takes is just making some simple changes to be super-intentional with your son or sons.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Jon Tyson on FamilyLife Today. Jon has written a book called The Intentional Father: A Practical Guide to Raise Sons of Courage and Character. You can pick up a copy of his book at FamilyLifeToday.com; then click on \u201cToday\u2019s Resources.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>You know, this is a critical time to donate, as we\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry come alongside us to provide a match program. That means that any gift you give to FamilyLife will be doubled all month long. So, if you give a gift of $50, it becomes $100; but only during this month. So, thank you in advance for linking arms with us and investing in our mission.<\/p>\n<p>Your gifts from your home and your heart are making a Kingdom difference. You can go online to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page, or you can give us a call at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d And if you love paper and envelopes, and doing it the old-school way, that\u2019s great! Feel free to drop us something in the mail. 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