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Daddy needed a Savior. That\u2019s why Jesus had to die. The reason that Dad got mad last night and blew up at all of you and spoke harshly to Mom is because Dad is very selfish. And if Dad\u2019s a sinner, you better believe Mom is!\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Alright, I was thinking about this. It\u2019s been a long time, but my New Testament final in seminary\u2014you probably don\u2019t even know this.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: No!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Do you know what I had to do?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: What?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: One of the questions was, \u201cOutline the entire book of Romans by memory.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Oh, whoa!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, I didn\u2019t know that!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Okay!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Guess what? I aced it!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Could you do it now?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: No, no! Don\u2019t ask me now! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: You got an \u201cA,\u201d thought.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I could do it then! I can\u2019t do it now!<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it\u2019s one of the most fascinating, foundational books in all the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Every time I read the entire book of Romans, I\u2019m struck with, \u201cThis is the most pivotal book!\u201d If you were going to give one of the New Testament books away, I think I would give away Romans.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, we\u2019re going to find out if J.D. Greear can outline the whole book of Romans. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: From memory! We\u2019ve got J.D. Greear and his wife, Veronica, in the studio. It\u2019s been a long time since you\u2019ve been to FamilyLife Today, but welcome back!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Bob, thank you!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: How many years?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s been about six years, I think.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, you were in Little Rock.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And J.D., you have your wife, Veronica, with us, too. How many years have you guys been married?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Twenty-three and a half.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Nice! Four kids.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Four kids, yes; two in college, two still at home.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: J.D., obviously, you wrote a book that we\u2019re going to talk about a little bit today: Essential Christianity: The Heart of the Gospel in Ten Words. I didn\u2019t know it until I picked it up, but it\u2019s the book of Romans.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, this isn\u2019t just a book. This is a serious\u2014something you\u2019ve thought a lot about: understanding the essential foundation of Christianity. So, why this one?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: When you go back through Church history, you realize that every major awakening\u2014spiritual awakening\u2014in our country, and you could almost say in Christian history, has come in part because of a study of the book of Romans.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Really?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Whether you\u2019re talking the Reformation, with Luther and Calvin, and you just look at their writings, to the preaching of Wesley and Whitefield and Johnathan Edwards, Romans is so core to it. So, that was one thing. I just really wanted to do it at our church as a way of bringing us to the centrality and the clarity of the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>The other one was a desire\u2014I mean, we\u2019re in a day of deconstruction; sometimes, because of rightful concerns they have about the fusion of Christianity and politics or, you know, Christianity as, basically, self-help. There are a lot of people, especially in the area that I pastor in, who are deconstructing. So, I wanted something that would just really get us back to what the essence of the gospel is, when you strip everything away.<\/p>\n<p>When you look at the book of Romans, it is a very logically laid out outline. It\u2019s probably why your seminary professor had you do that.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: For the first hundred or so years of Harvard\u2019s Law School, they would have them study the book of Romans as an example of argument-counterpoint illustration. All of that to say, I started to teach our church through it, and we had 1,000 people profess faith in Christ that year\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014wow\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014through this series. It brought renewal to our church. When it was all said and done, there were some other people I thought, \u201cMan, I\u2019d love to be able to get this in a form that would assist them in sharing the gospel with people outside the church.\u201d So, I put it into a book form.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s great! Now, Veronica, do you sit and listen to this guy preach? And do you give him critique like my wife always did?<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: I do, yes! I really enjoy it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She is my biggest affirmer, and also my most insightful critic.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: In a good way.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And then, there are some times I ask, and I\u2019m fishing for something. I want some affirmation, and she\u2019ll say, \u201cYour shirt didn\u2019t match.\u201d [Laughter] You know? Or something like that. I\u2019m like, \u201cThat\u2019s not really what I was looking for, but\u2014\u201d [Laughter] \u201c\u2014thank you for telling me that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, as you think through walking through the book of Romans\u2014and obviously, you know, we\u2019re a marriage and family listening base\u2014walk us through how the book of Romans can be essential, even for us leading our families.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Two things come to mind, Dave, when you say that. One is just the centrality of the gospel to all of life. When you think about how to become a better parent, how to become a better husband\u2014you know, I love, when I preach, to be very practical and to give people steps and things they can take home; at the end of the day, when the Apostle Paul wants to motivate husbands to be better husbands and fathers to be better fathers, he points to the gospel itself.<\/p>\n<p>It's not \u201cFive Steps I Can Give You That Will Make You a Better Husband.\u201d It\u2019s embracing the 10,000 steps that Jesus took when He came to rescue you that makes you that kind of husband and father. Martin Luther was the one who said it. He said, \u201cWhatever the problem is in the Christian life; whatever you\u2019re trying to grow in, the gospel is the answer. The gospel is always the prescription.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So, I think studying the book of Romans will make you a better husband, a better wife, a better father. And that leads me to the second thing, and that is that parents listening to this, probably our biggest question is, \u201cHow do we teach our kids to know and to love the gospel?\u201d Our kids, as every parent I know will attest, are a lot more in tune with hypocrisy and things that don\u2019t make sense.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Things that we just say because we\u2019ve always said it.<\/p>\n<p>To be able to say, \u201cHere\u2019s why Christians believe that Jesus is so important. Here\u2019s why we say He\u2019s the only Way.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u201cHere\u2019s why we devote so much of our lives to this.\u201d You don\u2019t have to be an expert on everything in the Christian life, but you should be an expert on the gospel, and the book of Romans is the book that is written to make you an expert on the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes; I would say that I find myself going to Romans so often when my kids ask me questions about [matters] of faith. I mean, it so compactly answers so many of those different questions.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: I\u2019ll share a story really quickly from outside our family: one of the things I had the privilege of when I was writing this book was [getting] to know a professor at one of the local universities there in the Triangle area\u2014a very prestigious university, she was a very distinguished professor within that. She wrote for the New York Times, and she was not a Christian by any stretch. But I had a chance to befriend her and get to know her. She even visited the church some. [She] described herself as \u201ca paragon of the secular left.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: That\u2019s how she described it. So, I asked her if she would read the book as I wrote it. I said, \u201cWould you\u2014?\u201d \u201cBecause I\u2019m not writing this just for people in the church, I\u2019m writing this for\u2014\"<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And she said, \u201cSure.\u201d She said about halfway through it: \u201cYou know, it is remarkable that here\u2019s a book, literally written 2,000 years ago, and when you get down to the essential questions that the Apostle Paul is answering, they\u2019re the exact same ones that all my students ask today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Wow!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Now, praise the Lord, during the process of writing this book, she became a Christian! Through it\u2014it wasn\u2019t just because of the book; there were a lot of things that went in there, but all of that to say that there is a fresh relevance that you\u2019ll find in the Word of God and in the book of Romans that will make you better-equipped, whether you\u2019re sharing Christ with a New York Times columnist or whether you\u2019re talking to a 7-year-old.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Now, do you know by memory what you said the definition of the gospel is?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u201cGod, in an act of grace, sent His Son Jesus to earth as a Man, so that through His life, death, and resurrection, He could rescue us, reign as King, and lead us into the fullness of eternal life we were created to enjoy!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s a pretty good definition. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes! I mean, did you literally sit down with the book of Romans and then, just craft that out? That\u2019s not just a couple of words.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, right!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, you\u2019ve put it all together.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Well, you were teaching through it for so long\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, teaching through it for so long, and then, it just sort of grew. It started out as ten words\u2014I wanted to do it in ten words\u2014and then\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014it wasn\u2019t going to work.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014it wasn\u2019t going to work. Then just, \u201cWhat are the essential points about the gospel?\u201d The Kingship of Jesus [is] one of the things people, a lot of times, leave out; that He is brought a Kingdom, and He\u2019s the Lord. Grace is what separates the gospel from every other religious message in the world. Every other religion of the world works according to the premise, \u201cI obey; therefore, I\u2019ll be accepted. If I obey well enough, often enough; if I\u2019m righteous enough, I\u2019ll be accepted.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The gospel flips that! It says, \u201cNo, you are accepted! You are accepted because of an act of grace; therefore, in response to that, you obey.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I remember giving my life to Jesus. I didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home, but I remember the first time I read Ephesians 2:8-9: \u201cFor by grace you have been saved through faith, and it\u2019s not of yourself; it\u2019s a gift from God.\u201d [Paraphrased] I remember putting down my Bible. I didn\u2019t know how to get to heaven! So, when I read it was not as a result of works that anybody can boast [of] or talk about\u2014it\u2019s just grace, that blew my mind, as a little 16-year-old. \u201cHow is this true?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Totally.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Let me ask you guys this: what does that look like in your family? Four kids and a marriage. Talk about grace.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, we\u2019ll have two different answers! [Laughter] I\u2019m going to give more of a\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014theological?\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, yes. And then, I know where your mind will go with that [Veronica].<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: You want me to do the practical?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, of course.<\/p>\n<p>I actually used this in church yesterday. I was talking about our identity in Christ, and how Satan, our enemy, when he attacks us, the first thing he goes after is our identity.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: To Jesus, in the Temptation, he says, \u201cIf you really are the Son of God\u2014\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Which is ironic because that\u2019s what the Father had just declared over Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u201cYou\u2019re my beloved Son.\u201d That\u2019s what Satan does with our kids, too. I said, \u201cIt\u2019s almost like\u2014imagine\u2014a swimmer who\u2019s about to swim, and as he\u2019s standing on the platform, waiting for the [starter\u2019s] gun to off, at the finish line, there\u2019s a banner that says, \u2018Acceptance, Worth, Value.\u2019 Our kids grow up in a culture where that starting gun goes off, and they are thrashing with all of their might, because they believe that unless thy get there first\u2014unless they\u2019re smart enough, pretty enough, athletic enough\u2014they\u2019re not going to have acceptance. So, their whole life is a quest toward acceptance.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Well, what the gospel does is, it flips it and says, \u201cNo, no! You are accepted. That\u2019s grace! And because of that, you can swim out of that.\u201d So, now, instead of thinking of acceptance as the banner at the end, think of it as the platform that you\u2019re standing on. I\u2019m no longer in this race of life\u2014I\u2019m not sending my kids out in this race of life\u2014in order to earn the love and acceptance of God. I\u2019m sending them out because they have it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhatever else happens, whether you succeed or fail, whether you\u2019re the most popular or you\u2019re not, you have the absolute approval of the only one whose opinion really matters.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: In a day when we\u2019ve got\u2014I shared some of these stats yesterday: 91% of teenagers report anxiety issues.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: 91%!?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: 91%! In the last 15 years, the number of girls who say that they are persistently sad and hopeless\u2014in the last 15 years\u2014that number has gone from 10% to 57%.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: In 15 years.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: In that kind of day, that\u2019s all coming out of this search for identity.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Grace is the answer to that endless striving of, \u201cI\u2019ve got to be pretty enough, smart enough, successful enough.\u201d And that\u2019s where I think grace matters.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, that\u2019s good. I love the illustration. It would be a little bit better if it were a football illustration. [Laughter] But swimming works.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: We\u2019ll take it!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What a great picture that really is1<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Veronica, what does that look like with your kids?<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: I do think it\u2019s a struggle to know how to apply it, even if you\u2019re looking at consequences and things like that. So, sometimes, I do think\u2014we\u2019ve even had conversations about\u2014as Christians, parenting in this situation, you\u2019re disciplined by God because He loves you, right? That\u2019s His love at work.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Not out of anger or retribution.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Out of His love. So, knowing what that application is can be a little bit situation-by-situation; but we have tried to really drive home the question of identity, and talking about that. That\u2019s even kind of \u201cChristian\u201d language a little bit.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u201cYour identity is in Christ.\u201d Trying to flesh that out. What does that phrase mean, that you\u2019ve heard for a long time if you\u2019ve been in church? What does that mean?<\/p>\n<p>It actually means that your approval is secure, so you can function from that approval.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It means\u2014we talk about this: we spend a lot of time just trying to confess our own sins to our kids.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Because, you know, our kids kind of grow up with this idea that Mom and Dad are perfect; they\u2019re the law.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: At least, certainly, for a while; yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, yes. Our teenagers don\u2019t think we\u2019re perfect.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: No, they don\u2019t! [Laughter] But when they\u2019re younger. . .<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Being able to say, \u201cHey, the greatest thing that Mom and Dad can give you is not some impossible standard to live up to; it\u2019s a deep awareness of our Savior. Daddy needed a Savior. That\u2019s why Jesus had to die. The reason that Dad got mad last night and blew up at all of you and spoke harshly to Mom is because Dad is very selfish. And if Dad\u2019s a sinner, you better believe Mom is!\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Times ten, yes!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: You know, just\u2014you can\u2014if my kids have anything, what they need from me and from both of us is not a Pharisaical example that they can never live up to.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: They need a Savior that we can hope in!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: When you go back to this\u2014Romans 7, Romans 8\u2014\u201cThere is therefore now no condemnation for those of us who are in Christ Jesus.\u201d So, even when we deal with mess-ups from them, [we] try to contextualize for them that we\u2019ve had that.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u201cLook at the redemption that has been brought in my life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And you\u2019re really good at that! Because I\u2019ll be kind of like, \u201cYou have to do this!\u201d And she\u2019ll just very quietly say, \u201cHey, none of us is ever really able to do this apart from the help of Jesus, and that includes us. I know when it feels impossible,\u201d she\u2019ll say to our kids, \u201cJesus can help you do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, we talk about that a lot. So, when you find\u2014when they\u2019re in the depth of\u2014despair may be a little bit of an overstatement, but when they\u2019re really burdened by something, [we\u2019re] explaining that, because of that message, first of all, your place is secure, and that power is available to you at any moment, to do what He\u2019s called you to do.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: I just feel like somebody out there needs to hear this. I need you to understand that our dinner table\u2014please don\u2019t have the image that the kids are sitting around with notebooks [Laughter], \u201cShare with us, Daddy, great wisdom about the gospel.\u201d [Laughter] I mean, that\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014hymns playing in the background.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, hymns playing.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: And they\u2019ve got journals.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s how it was at our house!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Wait, that is our house! What are you talking about? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: I used to get so mad during family devotions.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: They were also mad about it!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: They\u2019re mad about it; I\u2019m trying to make a point. They\u2019re looking off in the distance\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014and some would be at the table going [hand motions]\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\u201cspeed it up!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, \u201cwrap it up!\u201d Somebody breaks wind at the table.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And now all the attention\u2019s on that. You know, I\u2019m a big fan of family devotions. We continue to do them; but it\u2019s the living out, day in and day out; it\u2019s the unscripted conversations.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s the confession of sin! It\u2019s processing something about why this bothers me, and how I\u2019m trying to take that to the Lord; those kinds of things. I mean, again, I\u2019m a huge fan\u2014I\u2019m a preacher for a living, so I\u2019m a big fan of sermons and family devotions; but at the end of the day, it\u2019s relationship that we\u2019re giving, not a lecture.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: The light of the gospel becomes so much brighter when you understand the darkness of our sin.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Did you ever go there with your kids? They\u2019re older, so they\u2019re able to process some of the darkness in your own life.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Was that something you authentically shared with your kids? Or is that something you\u2014there are boundaries?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes; I think sometimes pointing out, \u201cHey, the reason that this is in you goes back to something that is so bad that Jesus had to die. I mean, the first place we get acquainted with our own depravity is within ourselves.\u201d Talking about the world around them, and things that we\u2019re dealing with; you\u2019re trying to navigate sympathy and compassion toward people who are struggling with things, but then also realizing that there\u2019s a sin nature that the only way for Jesus to eradicate it was through His death.<\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s a wise question you ask, Dave, because I think in our culture, a lot of people try to get to the gospel before there\u2019s an awareness of the need for it.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Francis Schaeffer famously said if he had an hour with a modern person, he\u2019d spend 50 minutes trying to get them lost, and only 10 minutes explaining the gospel. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s good!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, with our kids, we\u2019re trying to help them see, \u201cYou need a Savior!\u201d Everything within us wants to say, \u201cI don\u2019t need a Savior. I need some religious tweaks.\u201d But the book of Romans screams. By the time you get to Paul\u2019s explanation of the gospel, if you\u2019ve been paying attention and following along, everything in you is saying, \u201cI\u2019m desperate! I need something!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cWho\u2019s going to deliver me?\u201d Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I remember\u2014I think one of our grandkids was four\u2014she said to me, \u201cNonny\u201d (that\u2019s what they call me, \u201cNonny\u201d), \u201csometimes I like doing what\u2019s wrong.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: There you go.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201cSometimes, I like it!\u201d And I\u2019m telling you, all the time, as parents, we have an opportunity to bring in the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Because of that! It\u2019s that depraved, sinful\u2014don\u2019t we all like to do something that\u2019s sinful sometimes?<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, yes; and how do you overcome that, right?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Exactly.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: When you have those moments, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sharing the gospel: \u201cThis is why Jesus came.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: I love that!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, you\u2019re saying a lot of the way you taught your kids was\u2014at least what came to my mind\u2014Deuteronomy 6: \u201cAlong the way\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014yes!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014\u201cat the table, as we walk, as we sit, as we lie down.\u201d Is that how it happened in the Greear home?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, I think so. You know, right now, with teenagers in the house, it\u2019s \u201csurvive and advance.\u201d [Laughter] You know, I used to say, \u201cBefore I had kids, I had four great sermons on parenting. They were awesome!\u201d [Laughter] Now, I have four kids and no great sermons on parenting! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>You know, there is a sense in which\u2014and I think every parent easily understands this\u2014at the end of the day, our hope for our kids is not in our excellent teaching abilities; it\u2019s in God\u2019s grace.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Elyse Fitzpatrick, who I think you have had on this show here\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Sure.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She has done some stuff on parenting, and I\u2019ve read almost all the parenting books out there, for what it\u2019s worth, and mainly, out of desperation.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: But one of the things that she pointed out is, most Christian parenting books follow a formula. That is, you know, \u201cif you do this, and you do this, then your kids will become this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cA + B,\u201d yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And there are a lot of great principles in those, you know?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She said, \u201cWhat that does is actually really discourage and overwhelm you as a parent.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She says, \u201cFirst of all, for context, God, who was the perfect parent, only ever directly parented two people, and they both rebelled.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, you\u2019re not going to out-technique God! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: No, it\u2019s not going to work.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Let\u2019s just be really clear.<\/p>\n<p>She said, \u201cThe bigger tragedy is, sometimes, that focus on technique\u2014even good techniques, biblical techniques\u2014will keep you from the one thing that you most need with your kids, and that is, hope in the grace of God.\u201d Hope that when it\u2019s all\u2014just like it is with the gospel: it\u2019s not my righteousness that saves me. It\u2019s not my great parenting that saves my kids. My hope is in the grace of God for my salvation and for their salvation and development.<\/p>\n<p>As a couple, I will say that parenting actually drove us more to the Lord.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, it did.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s not that we weren\u2019t walking with Him.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: No, no.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: We prayed together, but it took our prayer life to a new\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014us, too!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: There\u2019s that desperation.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes. Kids, being their own people, that you, at the end of the day, actually, have no control over, right?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: You can\u2019t\u2014I mean, you can ensure that, as parents\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014I know that sounds very depressing for most of you\u2014 [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014it does!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014but you come to that realization.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: But it actually is, simultaneously,\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014freeing!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014as is so much in the gospel and in walking with Christ; it is kind of depressing and freeing.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: All at one time! It\u2019s very weird.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: So, there\u2019s nothing I can do about this kid, who\u2019s going to be their own person and make their own choices that I do not always think are right and good, because the Lord is doing something there that I actually have no part of. Now, He put me in their life! I\u2019m not trying to disown that; I have a responsibility before the Lord to bring them up in the admonition of the Lord. You can\u2019t just slough off that; but it is not our responsibility to actually get them to love God.<\/p>\n<p>I can\u2019t get them to love God. They\u2019ll see it in us, which is only good; that\u2019s a great thing!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: But I can\u2019t do it enough, or right, or in the right manner; so, that was why I think parenting broke us of that unacknowledged belief.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes. We\u2019re not really responsible for our kids as much as we\u2019re responsible to them.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Now, we\u2019re going to hear more from J.D. Greear here in just a few seconds with some encouragement for us as we think about the responsibility of raising our kids, but first, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with J.D. and Veronica Greear on FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>J.D. has written a book called Essential Christianity: The Heart of the Gospel in Ten Words. This book really offers a contemporary interpretation of Paul\u2019s message in the book of Romans, kind of bridging the gap between the biblical context and the challenges faced by modern individuals. You can go online to FamilyLifeToday.com to pick up a copy. Just click on the \u201cToday\u2019s Resources\u201d link or you can get the link in the show notes. Or you can give us a call to get a copy at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Alright, here\u2019s J.D. Greear with some encouragement for parents when you feel like the weight of the world is on your shoulders.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Psalm 136 is the story of the history of Israel. The psalmist, in telling the history of Israel, goes through the highs and the lows, and between everything he puts the little phrase, \u201cThe steadfast love of the Lord endures forever.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, I decided one afternoon that I was going to write my own history in the [way] of Psalm 136.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: It was like a book that said to do it or something.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, most of my great ideas, I got from somebody else! [Laughter] Just for the record!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Anyway, he goes to write it\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014I\u2019ve had three original thoughts in my lifetime. [Laughter] Anyway, I was going through\u2014and I had awesome parents! I mean, they were just really godly, and faithful to each other, but as I wrote out this history, and I wrote \u201cthe steadfast love of the Lord endures forever\u201d between all the things, when I got to the end, and I read it, I realized that, even though I had awesome parents, not one\u2014not one\u2014of the major turning points,\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014spiritual\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014the God-moments in my life, did my parents have anything to do with.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, it\u2019s kind of incredible.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And it\u2019s not because they weren\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014actively\u2014I mean, they were!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s just that God was writing my story.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And all of the sudden, it was like a thousand pounds fell off my shoulders, because I realized, \u201cGod\u2019s writing my kids\u2019 stories, too.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So good.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, yes, we\u2019re trying to lead them, but in the end, when they\u2019re telling their story one day, God wrote it, not J.D. and Veronica.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: I have to tell you this: today is the last day to be able to get 50% off on all Weekend to Remember\u00ae marriage getaways. The sale\u2019s been going on since January 8th, and today is the last day. I want you to ask yourself, and really answer honestly: how would you rate the quality of your marriage on a scale from one to ten? Now, that number in your brain might scare you or it might make you excited; regardless of where you might be, I really want to encourage you to check out FamilyLife\u2019s Weekend to Remember marriage getaway.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve been doing this for the last 40 years, and we\u2019ve seen so many marriages impacted for the glory of God and the health of relationships. We want to see that for you, too. So, today is the last day to register and get half off the registration price. You can go now to WeekendtoRemember.com to find a date and a location that works for you and save 50% off. Your marriage is really worth it! 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Think deeper about\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/?s=marriage&amp;post_type=wpfc_sermon\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Marriage<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Want to hear more episodes by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/guest\/JD-Greear\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">JD Greear<\/a>, listen here!<\/li>\n<li>Transform your marriage at half the cost!\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/weekend-to%20remember\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Weekend to Remember Spring Sale<\/a>, Jan 8-22, 2024\u2014your key to lasting love and connection.<\/li>\n<li>Find resources from this podcast at\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/radio-resources\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">shop.familylife.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/past-radio-resources\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">See resources from our past podcasts.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Find more content and resources on the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/app\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">FamilyLife's app<\/a>!<\/li>\n<li>Help others find FamilyLife. Leave a review on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcast<\/a>\u00a0or\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm?si=d6dfa8d2415f4750\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Check out all the FamilyLife's podcasts on the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/familylife-podcast-network\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">FamilyLife Podcast Network<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2024-01-22.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>FamilyLife Today\u00ae National Radio Version (time edited) Transcript<\/p>\n<p>References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete.<\/p>\n<p>The Life We Long For<\/p>\n<p>Guests:J.D. and Veronica Greear<\/p>\n<p>From the series:The Book of Romans in the 21st Century (Day 1 of 3)<\/p>\n<p>Air date:January 22, 2024<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Being able to say, \u201cHey, the greatest thing that Mom and Dad can give you is not some impossible standard to live up to; it\u2019s a deep awareness of our Savior. Daddy needed a Savior. That\u2019s why Jesus had to die. The reason that Dad got mad last night and blew up at all of you and spoke harshly to Mom is because Dad is very selfish. And if Dad\u2019s a sinner, you better believe Mom is!\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Alright, I was thinking about this. It\u2019s been a long time, but my New Testament final in seminary\u2014you probably don\u2019t even know this.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: No!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Do you know what I had to do?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: What?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: One of the questions was, \u201cOutline the entire book of Romans by memory.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Oh, whoa!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, I didn\u2019t know that!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Okay!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Guess what? I aced it!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Could you do it now?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: No, no! Don\u2019t ask me now! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: You got an \u201cA,\u201d thought.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I could do it then! I can\u2019t do it now!<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it\u2019s one of the most fascinating, foundational books in all the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Every time I read the entire book of Romans, I\u2019m struck with, \u201cThis is the most pivotal book!\u201d If you were going to give one of the New Testament books away, I think I would give away Romans.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, we\u2019re going to find out if J.D. Greear can outline the whole book of Romans. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: From memory! We\u2019ve got J.D. Greear and his wife, Veronica, in the studio. It\u2019s been a long time since you\u2019ve been to FamilyLife Today, but welcome back!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Bob, thank you!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: How many years?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s been about six years, I think.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, you were in Little Rock.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And J.D., you have your wife, Veronica, with us, too. How many years have you guys been married?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Twenty-three and a half.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Nice! Four kids.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Four kids, yes; two in college, two still at home.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: J.D., obviously, you wrote a book that we\u2019re going to talk about a little bit today: Essential Christianity: The Heart of the Gospel in Ten Words. I didn\u2019t know it until I picked it up, but it\u2019s the book of Romans.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, this isn\u2019t just a book. This is a serious\u2014something you\u2019ve thought a lot about: understanding the essential foundation of Christianity. So, why this one?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: When you go back through Church history, you realize that every major awakening\u2014spiritual awakening\u2014in our country, and you could almost say in Christian history, has come in part because of a study of the book of Romans.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Really?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Whether you\u2019re talking the Reformation, with Luther and Calvin, and you just look at their writings, to the preaching of Wesley and Whitefield and Johnathan Edwards, Romans is so core to it. So, that was one thing. I just really wanted to do it at our church as a way of bringing us to the centrality and the clarity of the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>The other one was a desire\u2014I mean, we\u2019re in a day of deconstruction; sometimes, because of rightful concerns they have about the fusion of Christianity and politics or, you know, Christianity as, basically, self-help. There are a lot of people, especially in the area that I pastor in, who are deconstructing. So, I wanted something that would just really get us back to what the essence of the gospel is, when you strip everything away.<\/p>\n<p>When you look at the book of Romans, it is a very logically laid out outline. It\u2019s probably why your seminary professor had you do that.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: For the first hundred or so years of Harvard\u2019s Law School, they would have them study the book of Romans as an example of argument-counterpoint illustration. All of that to say, I started to teach our church through it, and we had 1,000 people profess faith in Christ that year\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014wow\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014through this series. It brought renewal to our church. When it was all said and done, there were some other people I thought, \u201cMan, I\u2019d love to be able to get this in a form that would assist them in sharing the gospel with people outside the church.\u201d So, I put it into a book form.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s great! Now, Veronica, do you sit and listen to this guy preach? And do you give him critique like my wife always did?<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: I do, yes! I really enjoy it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She is my biggest affirmer, and also my most insightful critic.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: In a good way.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And then, there are some times I ask, and I\u2019m fishing for something. I want some affirmation, and she\u2019ll say, \u201cYour shirt didn\u2019t match.\u201d [Laughter] You know? Or something like that. I\u2019m like, \u201cThat\u2019s not really what I was looking for, but\u2014\u201d [Laughter] \u201c\u2014thank you for telling me that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, as you think through walking through the book of Romans\u2014and obviously, you know, we\u2019re a marriage and family listening base\u2014walk us through how the book of Romans can be essential, even for us leading our families.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Two things come to mind, Dave, when you say that. One is just the centrality of the gospel to all of life. When you think about how to become a better parent, how to become a better husband\u2014you know, I love, when I preach, to be very practical and to give people steps and things they can take home; at the end of the day, when the Apostle Paul wants to motivate husbands to be better husbands and fathers to be better fathers, he points to the gospel itself.<\/p>\n<p>It's not \u201cFive Steps I Can Give You That Will Make You a Better Husband.\u201d It\u2019s embracing the 10,000 steps that Jesus took when He came to rescue you that makes you that kind of husband and father. Martin Luther was the one who said it. He said, \u201cWhatever the problem is in the Christian life; whatever you\u2019re trying to grow in, the gospel is the answer. The gospel is always the prescription.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So, I think studying the book of Romans will make you a better husband, a better wife, a better father. And that leads me to the second thing, and that is that parents listening to this, probably our biggest question is, \u201cHow do we teach our kids to know and to love the gospel?\u201d Our kids, as every parent I know will attest, are a lot more in tune with hypocrisy and things that don\u2019t make sense.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Things that we just say because we\u2019ve always said it.<\/p>\n<p>To be able to say, \u201cHere\u2019s why Christians believe that Jesus is so important. Here\u2019s why we say He\u2019s the only Way.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u201cHere\u2019s why we devote so much of our lives to this.\u201d You don\u2019t have to be an expert on everything in the Christian life, but you should be an expert on the gospel, and the book of Romans is the book that is written to make you an expert on the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes; I would say that I find myself going to Romans so often when my kids ask me questions about [matters] of faith. I mean, it so compactly answers so many of those different questions.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: I\u2019ll share a story really quickly from outside our family: one of the things I had the privilege of when I was writing this book was [getting] to know a professor at one of the local universities there in the Triangle area\u2014a very prestigious university, she was a very distinguished professor within that. She wrote for the New York Times, and she was not a Christian by any stretch. But I had a chance to befriend her and get to know her. She even visited the church some. [She] described herself as \u201ca paragon of the secular left.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: That\u2019s how she described it. So, I asked her if she would read the book as I wrote it. I said, \u201cWould you\u2014?\u201d \u201cBecause I\u2019m not writing this just for people in the church, I\u2019m writing this for\u2014\"<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And she said, \u201cSure.\u201d She said about halfway through it: \u201cYou know, it is remarkable that here\u2019s a book, literally written 2,000 years ago, and when you get down to the essential questions that the Apostle Paul is answering, they\u2019re the exact same ones that all my students ask today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Wow!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Now, praise the Lord, during the process of writing this book, she became a Christian! Through it\u2014it wasn\u2019t just because of the book; there were a lot of things that went in there, but all of that to say that there is a fresh relevance that you\u2019ll find in the Word of God and in the book of Romans that will make you better-equipped, whether you\u2019re sharing Christ with a New York Times columnist or whether you\u2019re talking to a 7-year-old.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Now, do you know by memory what you said the definition of the gospel is?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u201cGod, in an act of grace, sent His Son Jesus to earth as a Man, so that through His life, death, and resurrection, He could rescue us, reign as King, and lead us into the fullness of eternal life we were created to enjoy!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s a pretty good definition. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes! I mean, did you literally sit down with the book of Romans and then, just craft that out? That\u2019s not just a couple of words.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, right!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I mean, you\u2019ve put it all together.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Well, you were teaching through it for so long\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, teaching through it for so long, and then, it just sort of grew. It started out as ten words\u2014I wanted to do it in ten words\u2014and then\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014it wasn\u2019t going to work.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014it wasn\u2019t going to work. Then just, \u201cWhat are the essential points about the gospel?\u201d The Kingship of Jesus [is] one of the things people, a lot of times, leave out; that He is brought a Kingdom, and He\u2019s the Lord. Grace is what separates the gospel from every other religious message in the world. Every other religion of the world works according to the premise, \u201cI obey; therefore, I\u2019ll be accepted. If I obey well enough, often enough; if I\u2019m righteous enough, I\u2019ll be accepted.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The gospel flips that! It says, \u201cNo, you are accepted! You are accepted because of an act of grace; therefore, in response to that, you obey.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I remember giving my life to Jesus. I didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home, but I remember the first time I read Ephesians 2:8-9: \u201cFor by grace you have been saved through faith, and it\u2019s not of yourself; it\u2019s a gift from God.\u201d [Paraphrased] I remember putting down my Bible. I didn\u2019t know how to get to heaven! So, when I read it was not as a result of works that anybody can boast [of] or talk about\u2014it\u2019s just grace, that blew my mind, as a little 16-year-old. \u201cHow is this true?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Totally.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Let me ask you guys this: what does that look like in your family? Four kids and a marriage. Talk about grace.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, we\u2019ll have two different answers! [Laughter] I\u2019m going to give more of a\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014theological?\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, yes. And then, I know where your mind will go with that [Veronica].<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: You want me to do the practical?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, of course.<\/p>\n<p>I actually used this in church yesterday. I was talking about our identity in Christ, and how Satan, our enemy, when he attacks us, the first thing he goes after is our identity.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: To Jesus, in the Temptation, he says, \u201cIf you really are the Son of God\u2014\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Which is ironic because that\u2019s what the Father had just declared over Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u201cYou\u2019re my beloved Son.\u201d That\u2019s what Satan does with our kids, too. I said, \u201cIt\u2019s almost like\u2014imagine\u2014a swimmer who\u2019s about to swim, and as he\u2019s standing on the platform, waiting for the [starter\u2019s] gun to off, at the finish line, there\u2019s a banner that says, \u2018Acceptance, Worth, Value.\u2019 Our kids grow up in a culture where that starting gun goes off, and they are thrashing with all of their might, because they believe that unless thy get there first\u2014unless they\u2019re smart enough, pretty enough, athletic enough\u2014they\u2019re not going to have acceptance. So, their whole life is a quest toward acceptance.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Well, what the gospel does is, it flips it and says, \u201cNo, no! You are accepted. That\u2019s grace! And because of that, you can swim out of that.\u201d So, now, instead of thinking of acceptance as the banner at the end, think of it as the platform that you\u2019re standing on. I\u2019m no longer in this race of life\u2014I\u2019m not sending my kids out in this race of life\u2014in order to earn the love and acceptance of God. I\u2019m sending them out because they have it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhatever else happens, whether you succeed or fail, whether you\u2019re the most popular or you\u2019re not, you have the absolute approval of the only one whose opinion really matters.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: In a day when we\u2019ve got\u2014I shared some of these stats yesterday: 91% of teenagers report anxiety issues.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: 91%!?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: 91%! In the last 15 years, the number of girls who say that they are persistently sad and hopeless\u2014in the last 15 years\u2014that number has gone from 10% to 57%.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: In 15 years.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: In that kind of day, that\u2019s all coming out of this search for identity.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Grace is the answer to that endless striving of, \u201cI\u2019ve got to be pretty enough, smart enough, successful enough.\u201d And that\u2019s where I think grace matters.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, that\u2019s good. I love the illustration. It would be a little bit better if it were a football illustration. [Laughter] But swimming works.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: We\u2019ll take it!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What a great picture that really is1<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Veronica, what does that look like with your kids?<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: I do think it\u2019s a struggle to know how to apply it, even if you\u2019re looking at consequences and things like that. So, sometimes, I do think\u2014we\u2019ve even had conversations about\u2014as Christians, parenting in this situation, you\u2019re disciplined by God because He loves you, right? That\u2019s His love at work.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Not out of anger or retribution.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Out of His love. So, knowing what that application is can be a little bit situation-by-situation; but we have tried to really drive home the question of identity, and talking about that. That\u2019s even kind of \u201cChristian\u201d language a little bit.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u201cYour identity is in Christ.\u201d Trying to flesh that out. What does that phrase mean, that you\u2019ve heard for a long time if you\u2019ve been in church? What does that mean?<\/p>\n<p>It actually means that your approval is secure, so you can function from that approval.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It means\u2014we talk about this: we spend a lot of time just trying to confess our own sins to our kids.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Because, you know, our kids kind of grow up with this idea that Mom and Dad are perfect; they\u2019re the law.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: At least, certainly, for a while; yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, yes. Our teenagers don\u2019t think we\u2019re perfect.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: No, they don\u2019t! [Laughter] But when they\u2019re younger. . .<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Being able to say, \u201cHey, the greatest thing that Mom and Dad can give you is not some impossible standard to live up to; it\u2019s a deep awareness of our Savior. Daddy needed a Savior. That\u2019s why Jesus had to die. The reason that Dad got mad last night and blew up at all of you and spoke harshly to Mom is because Dad is very selfish. And if Dad\u2019s a sinner, you better believe Mom is!\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Times ten, yes!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: You know, just\u2014you can\u2014if my kids have anything, what they need from me and from both of us is not a Pharisaical example that they can never live up to.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: They need a Savior that we can hope in!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: When you go back to this\u2014Romans 7, Romans 8\u2014\u201cThere is therefore now no condemnation for those of us who are in Christ Jesus.\u201d So, even when we deal with mess-ups from them, [we] try to contextualize for them that we\u2019ve had that.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u201cLook at the redemption that has been brought in my life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And you\u2019re really good at that! Because I\u2019ll be kind of like, \u201cYou have to do this!\u201d And she\u2019ll just very quietly say, \u201cHey, none of us is ever really able to do this apart from the help of Jesus, and that includes us. I know when it feels impossible,\u201d she\u2019ll say to our kids, \u201cJesus can help you do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, we talk about that a lot. So, when you find\u2014when they\u2019re in the depth of\u2014despair may be a little bit of an overstatement, but when they\u2019re really burdened by something, [we\u2019re] explaining that, because of that message, first of all, your place is secure, and that power is available to you at any moment, to do what He\u2019s called you to do.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: I just feel like somebody out there needs to hear this. I need you to understand that our dinner table\u2014please don\u2019t have the image that the kids are sitting around with notebooks [Laughter], \u201cShare with us, Daddy, great wisdom about the gospel.\u201d [Laughter] I mean, that\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014hymns playing in the background.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, hymns playing.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: And they\u2019ve got journals.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s how it was at our house!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Wait, that is our house! What are you talking about? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: I used to get so mad during family devotions.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: They were also mad about it!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: They\u2019re mad about it; I\u2019m trying to make a point. They\u2019re looking off in the distance\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014and some would be at the table going [hand motions]\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\u201cspeed it up!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, \u201cwrap it up!\u201d Somebody breaks wind at the table.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And now all the attention\u2019s on that. You know, I\u2019m a big fan of family devotions. We continue to do them; but it\u2019s the living out, day in and day out; it\u2019s the unscripted conversations.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s the confession of sin! It\u2019s processing something about why this bothers me, and how I\u2019m trying to take that to the Lord; those kinds of things. I mean, again, I\u2019m a huge fan\u2014I\u2019m a preacher for a living, so I\u2019m a big fan of sermons and family devotions; but at the end of the day, it\u2019s relationship that we\u2019re giving, not a lecture.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: The light of the gospel becomes so much brighter when you understand the darkness of our sin.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Did you ever go there with your kids? They\u2019re older, so they\u2019re able to process some of the darkness in your own life.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Was that something you authentically shared with your kids? Or is that something you\u2014there are boundaries?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes; I think sometimes pointing out, \u201cHey, the reason that this is in you goes back to something that is so bad that Jesus had to die. I mean, the first place we get acquainted with our own depravity is within ourselves.\u201d Talking about the world around them, and things that we\u2019re dealing with; you\u2019re trying to navigate sympathy and compassion toward people who are struggling with things, but then also realizing that there\u2019s a sin nature that the only way for Jesus to eradicate it was through His death.<\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s a wise question you ask, Dave, because I think in our culture, a lot of people try to get to the gospel before there\u2019s an awareness of the need for it.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Francis Schaeffer famously said if he had an hour with a modern person, he\u2019d spend 50 minutes trying to get them lost, and only 10 minutes explaining the gospel. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s good!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, with our kids, we\u2019re trying to help them see, \u201cYou need a Savior!\u201d Everything within us wants to say, \u201cI don\u2019t need a Savior. I need some religious tweaks.\u201d But the book of Romans screams. By the time you get to Paul\u2019s explanation of the gospel, if you\u2019ve been paying attention and following along, everything in you is saying, \u201cI\u2019m desperate! I need something!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cWho\u2019s going to deliver me?\u201d Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I remember\u2014I think one of our grandkids was four\u2014she said to me, \u201cNonny\u201d (that\u2019s what they call me, \u201cNonny\u201d), \u201csometimes I like doing what\u2019s wrong.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: There you go.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201cSometimes, I like it!\u201d And I\u2019m telling you, all the time, as parents, we have an opportunity to bring in the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Right.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Because of that! It\u2019s that depraved, sinful\u2014don\u2019t we all like to do something that\u2019s sinful sometimes?<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, yes; and how do you overcome that, right?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Exactly.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: When you have those moments, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sharing the gospel: \u201cThis is why Jesus came.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: I love that!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, you\u2019re saying a lot of the way you taught your kids was\u2014at least what came to my mind\u2014Deuteronomy 6: \u201cAlong the way\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014yes!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014\u201cat the table, as we walk, as we sit, as we lie down.\u201d Is that how it happened in the Greear home?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, I think so. You know, right now, with teenagers in the house, it\u2019s \u201csurvive and advance.\u201d [Laughter] You know, I used to say, \u201cBefore I had kids, I had four great sermons on parenting. They were awesome!\u201d [Laughter] Now, I have four kids and no great sermons on parenting! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>You know, there is a sense in which\u2014and I think every parent easily understands this\u2014at the end of the day, our hope for our kids is not in our excellent teaching abilities; it\u2019s in God\u2019s grace.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Elyse Fitzpatrick, who I think you have had on this show here\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Sure.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She has done some stuff on parenting, and I\u2019ve read almost all the parenting books out there, for what it\u2019s worth, and mainly, out of desperation.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: But one of the things that she pointed out is, most Christian parenting books follow a formula. That is, you know, \u201cif you do this, and you do this, then your kids will become this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cA + B,\u201d yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And there are a lot of great principles in those, you know?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She said, \u201cWhat that does is actually really discourage and overwhelm you as a parent.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: She says, \u201cFirst of all, for context, God, who was the perfect parent, only ever directly parented two people, and they both rebelled.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, you\u2019re not going to out-technique God! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: No, it\u2019s not going to work.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Let\u2019s just be really clear.<\/p>\n<p>She said, \u201cThe bigger tragedy is, sometimes, that focus on technique\u2014even good techniques, biblical techniques\u2014will keep you from the one thing that you most need with your kids, and that is, hope in the grace of God.\u201d Hope that when it\u2019s all\u2014just like it is with the gospel: it\u2019s not my righteousness that saves me. It\u2019s not my great parenting that saves my kids. My hope is in the grace of God for my salvation and for their salvation and development.<\/p>\n<p>As a couple, I will say that parenting actually drove us more to the Lord.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, it did.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s not that we weren\u2019t walking with Him.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: No, no.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: We prayed together, but it took our prayer life to a new\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014us, too!<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: There\u2019s that desperation.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes. Kids, being their own people, that you, at the end of the day, actually, have no control over, right?<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: You can\u2019t\u2014I mean, you can ensure that, as parents\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014I know that sounds very depressing for most of you\u2014 [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014it does!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014but you come to that realization.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: But it actually is, simultaneously,\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014freeing!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014as is so much in the gospel and in walking with Christ; it is kind of depressing and freeing.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: All at one time! It\u2019s very weird.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: So, there\u2019s nothing I can do about this kid, who\u2019s going to be their own person and make their own choices that I do not always think are right and good, because the Lord is doing something there that I actually have no part of. Now, He put me in their life! I\u2019m not trying to disown that; I have a responsibility before the Lord to bring them up in the admonition of the Lord. You can\u2019t just slough off that; but it is not our responsibility to actually get them to love God.<\/p>\n<p>I can\u2019t get them to love God. They\u2019ll see it in us, which is only good; that\u2019s a great thing!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: But I can\u2019t do it enough, or right, or in the right manner; so, that was why I think parenting broke us of that unacknowledged belief.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes. We\u2019re not really responsible for our kids as much as we\u2019re responsible to them.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Now, we\u2019re going to hear more from J.D. Greear here in just a few seconds with some encouragement for us as we think about the responsibility of raising our kids, but first, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with J.D. and Veronica Greear on FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>J.D. has written a book called Essential Christianity: The Heart of the Gospel in Ten Words. This book really offers a contemporary interpretation of Paul\u2019s message in the book of Romans, kind of bridging the gap between the biblical context and the challenges faced by modern individuals. You can go online to FamilyLifeToday.com to pick up a copy. Just click on the \u201cToday\u2019s Resources\u201d link or you can get the link in the show notes. Or you can give us a call to get a copy at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Alright, here\u2019s J.D. Greear with some encouragement for parents when you feel like the weight of the world is on your shoulders.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Psalm 136 is the story of the history of Israel. The psalmist, in telling the history of Israel, goes through the highs and the lows, and between everything he puts the little phrase, \u201cThe steadfast love of the Lord endures forever.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, I decided one afternoon that I was going to write my own history in the [way] of Psalm 136.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: It was like a book that said to do it or something.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: Yes, most of my great ideas, I got from somebody else! [Laughter] Just for the record!<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Anyway, he goes to write it\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014I\u2019ve had three original thoughts in my lifetime. [Laughter] Anyway, I was going through\u2014and I had awesome parents! I mean, they were just really godly, and faithful to each other, but as I wrote out this history, and I wrote \u201cthe steadfast love of the Lord endures forever\u201d between all the things, when I got to the end, and I read it, I realized that, even though I had awesome parents, not one\u2014not one\u2014of the major turning points,\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014spiritual\u2014<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: \u2014the God-moments in my life, did my parents have anything to do with.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes, it\u2019s kind of incredible.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And it\u2019s not because they weren\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: \u2014actively\u2014I mean, they were!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: It\u2019s just that God was writing my story.<\/p>\n<p>Veronica: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: And all of the sudden, it was like a thousand pounds fell off my shoulders, because I realized, \u201cGod\u2019s writing my kids\u2019 stories, too.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So good.<\/p>\n<p>J.D.: So, yes, we\u2019re trying to lead them, but in the end, when they\u2019re telling their story one day, God wrote it, not J.D. and Veronica.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: I have to tell you this: today is the last day to be able to get 50% off on all Weekend to Remember\u00ae marriage getaways. The sale\u2019s been going on since January 8th, and today is the last day. I want you to ask yourself, and really answer honestly: how would you rate the quality of your marriage on a scale from one to ten? Now, that number in your brain might scare you or it might make you excited; regardless of where you might be, I really want to encourage you to check out FamilyLife\u2019s Weekend to Remember marriage getaway.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve been doing this for the last 40 years, and we\u2019ve seen so many marriages impacted for the glory of God and the health of relationships. We want to see that for you, too. So, today is the last day to register and get half off the registration price. You can go now to WeekendtoRemember.com to find a date and a location that works for you and save 50% off. Your marriage is really worth it! Head on over there to WeekendtoRemember.com.<\/p>\n<p>Now, coming up tomorrow, we all want to understand the transformative power of the gospel in our marriages, especially when it comes to relational problems and the element of forgiveness. Well, J.D. Greear and Veronica Greear are going to be back with Dave and Ann Wilson to talk about just that tomorrow. We hope you\u2019ll join us!<\/p>\n<p>On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. We\u2019ll see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>FamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry.<\/p>\n<p>Helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.<\/p>\n<p>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs?<\/p>\n<p>Copyright \u00a9 2024 FamilyLife. 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