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I\u2019m already behind the eight ball. I didn\u2019t do all these things, and I\u2019m missing it.\u201d I would say two things: one is, I don\u2019t believe it\u2019s ever too late, and two, that we serve a redemptive God.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I\u2019m excited today because we have one of the world\u2019s best therapists, counselors in the studio.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s true!<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Amen!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Here\u2019s why I\u2019m excited. She\u2019s not here to counsel me. [Laughter] Finally! Finally, in all of my brokenness. They brought counselors in here. They\u2019d surprise me; put me on the couch and say, \u201cWe have to fix Dave.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Our best episodes. We all need [to be] fixed.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: But I think today is going to be a beautiful day.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too. Sissy Goff, welcome back to FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Oh, I\u2019m so honored to be back with y\u2019all, and that I get to sit here with these two.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes. We have Rachel Faulkner Brown and her daughter, Campbell, with us. We\u2019ve had a few great days with you two sharing your story of your mother-daughter relationship. But Campbell, you\u2019ve been really brave talking about your journey through anorexia.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, you have.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes, thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Honestly, you\u2019re 16 years old, and you want people to get help, so thank you for bringing this into the light, because there are so many people that are struggling. And Rachel, we\u2019ve had you on before, and I hope that all of our listeners will go back and listen to the last two days, because your journey is something [that] as parents, we are so fearful for our kids to struggle or even be hospitalized. It can be our greatness fear.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, totally.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: It\u2019s really scary.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes. I have to say, when I was listening to you, Campbell, the last couple of days, I\u2019m looking at you sitting in a studio in Orlando [Laughter], beautiful, vibrant! And the story we heard the last two days is, you were in a hospital, almost lost your life.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Part of me thinks every parent needs to hear the story, because we give up. We think our kids are beyond hope. And your story, for everyone of, us says God can resurrect and do great things.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sissy, tell us about eating disorders. Is this something we as parents are worrying about?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, certainly; and you know, it\u2019s fascinating, because doing this work for 30 years, I\u2019ve seen a lot of trends, and a lot of things, a lot of shifts that happen. I think, probably 15 to 20 years ago, I was seeing an unbelievable amount of eating disorders among kids. I saw it get better for a period of time. I have never read this statistically; this is anecdotally with the kids that I\u2019m seeing in my practice. I saw a lot less kids for a while, and something happened in the pandemic.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You think about it: we were at home around food; none of us were our healthiest selves in any way. And if we were going to really oversimplify, from my perspective, where eating disorders can be hard, I would say it\u2019s about two primary things: one is a word you all used a lot, \u201cshame.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Shame and self-hatred; and the other is about control.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You start off thinking you\u2019re going to control the food, and the food ends up controlling you.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What\u2019s the shame part?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I think it\u2019s this sense of, \u201cI\u2019m not enough, I\u2019m not okay. I don\u2019t know who I am. I don\u2019t like myself.\u201d I heard somebody once say, which I thought was fascinating, that with folks who lean towards being more anorexic, it\u2019s this sense of, \u201cI don\u2019t like who I am so I wish I could disappear, so I\u2019m going to get smaller and smaller.\u201d For people who struggle with bulimia, it\u2019s more, \u201cI hate myself and I wish I could get rid of who I am,\u201d so almost the action mimics the shame inside.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes! With anorexia, it\u2019s like you\u2019re not allowed to take up space.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, that\u2019s a beautiful way to say that, Campbell. Yes, absolutely. If we go back to the pandemic, we were all really out of control in some big ways, so thinking about what you were talking about, about the switches that get flipped. I love that idea.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: And I think also, we were fighting. Marriages were struggling, and kids were witnessing that; and I think parents and kids were fighting more. I think, too, kids were home and scrolling more.<\/p>\n<p>All: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, there are so many factors during that time that ramped up the statistics.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Now, what\u2019s a parent to do? Talking to Rachel, yesterday or maybe two days ago, when she said, \u201cI saw it, but I sort of thought it was thyroid or said it was thyroid.\u201d I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve done that a thousand times.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Like, \u201cI can see it, but I don\u2019t want to even step in it. I\u2019m afraid to.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I don\u2019t want to give it a name.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes; Dave and I would have these conversations. I\u2019d say, \u201cI\u2019m really\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014you don\u2019t have to tell the world.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\u201cconcerned about (naming one of our sons) because of this and this,\u201d and you would always say, \u201cHe\u2019s fine! He\u2019s great.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Famous last words.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I was always wrong; always.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: No, you weren\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: There\u2019s a statistic that in a two-parent household, there\u2019s usually an anxious parent and a non-anxious parent.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I want every family, even before your kids can read, I want you to be passing feelings charts around the dinner table.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Amen.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I love that!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: And I want everybody to be naming three feelings. The more we can help kids early on give them adequate words, help them understand their feelings, help them accept what they\u2019re feeling, and\u2014this is maybe a separate topic\u2014but I\u2019m on a really big soapbox right now! I do think that, culturally, we are overdoing feelings to some degree.<\/p>\n<p>I believe feeling your feelings and doing your work is different; that doing your work involves feeling your feelings, but it\u2019s not all of it. So, helping kids name their feelings, understand their feelings, and that we sit with a lot of empathy with those feelings; then we help them work their way toward positive coping strategies.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Be empathetic?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Be empathetic. Sit with the feelings past the point of feeling comfortable, because I think, based on our personality, some of us feel more uncomfortable with what, probably, the four of us grew up considering negative emotions. No emotions are negative; emotions are just data.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: But it can be hard to sit with someone who is a really deep feeler and maybe even gets a little stuck in it.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I remember [when] a client I was counseling said to me, \u201cI don\u2019t want to grow. I just want to be understood.\u201d My first thought was, \u201cI am the wrong girl for you, [Laughter] because I want to help you grow,\u201d but I think we need to labor longer in understanding.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: With eating disorders, your brain is so depleted because you\u2019re not eating enough fat, especially with anorexia. I\u2019m just going to speak to anorexia, because I don\u2019t really have the margin to speak for anything else, but when you have anorexia, fat is the enemy, okay? And when you don\u2019t have fat, your brain cannot function on a regular level.<\/p>\n<p>So, feelings go out the window, and it\u2019s only \u201cstop, drop, and roll,\u201d like fire safety, just traumatic control is all your brain can do.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: So, you give it a task, and the brain completes that one task. And your one task: what is it? \u201cDon\u2019t eat.\u201d So, that\u2019s the only thing you can think about, day and night.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: There\u2019s no rational\u2014you see this?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Oh, no rational thinking.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: There\u2019s no rational!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: There\u2019s no rational thinking.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Everything is black and white. It is this or that. Sleep is no longer sleep. Sleep is just closing your eyes, and you wake up just as tired as you went to bed.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: And you don\u2019t want to die.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: You kind of do at one point.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, at some point, but she just wanted to be thin.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Eating disorders are actually a form of self-harm.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, for sure.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, Sissy, if you\u2019re trying to talk to your daughter or son about feelings, and they\u2019re resistant, they\u2019re not going to go there, what do you do?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right. Well, I think we want to start way, way, way earlier\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014way back; yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u2014because at that point, it is a moot point.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: We\u2019re not going to get there; they\u2019re not going to talk about it. I would just make it a part of your family practice, where we\u2019re regularly doing this. And then I think, with older kids who aren\u2019t where you were, certainly, I think we have to be sneaky. If you have a 14-, 15-, or 16-year-old and you say, \u201cLet\u2019s pass the feelings chart around the dinner table,\u201d they\u2019re going to roll their eyes. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Are you okay?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right, yes. But I think instead, we think about: when can we sit up a little bit later? They come in from being out with their friends, and kids are more vulnerable, all the things they\u2019ll share.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right, right.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You know, when can we lean in that they might be a little more willing to talk? And that we just stop doing as much of the talking, and we say things like, \u201cTell me more about that. I\u2019d love to hear more.\u201d At the first signs, which you are not giving yourself enough credit\u2014you were on top of it.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I will say this, Sissy, to that point: I saw this thing in The New York Times, and I think this would be such a great thing to tell parents. At dinner, talk to your family, and you could do this even at a dinner party. \u201cWhat is the rose of the day? What is the thorn of the day? And what is the bud?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The bud: \u201cWhat are you looking forward to? What\u2019s the problem, what are you struggling with in your life? What\u2019s the thorn?\u201d And then, \u201cWhat\u2019s the rose? What is something that happened to you that you celebrate today?\u201d I thought, \u201cIt\u2019s those conversations\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u2014yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014compounded interest in those type conversations that get your kids talking. I feel like those little simple questions are where the gold is.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: You know that. You have millions of those in your books. But I saw that and thought, \u201cI have never heard that, and that is really good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I love that. That\u2019s awesome. It is really good. I think, as we\u2019re thinking about food, again you have done a beautiful job, you two, this week.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Haven\u2019t they?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: If you haven\u2019t heard, go back and listen to all these episodes, because there\u2019s so much about what you can do along the way. So, I want to kind of keep moving back and say preventatively\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: \u2014go back. Yes, I love this.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, I want you as a family to not talk about food. Research I have read certainly says, \u201cJust don\u2019t talk about it. Don\u2019t talk about food, don\u2019t talk about choices, don\u2019t talk about weight to your children.\u201d What I say to parents often is, \u201cMake it a non-issue.\u201d I had a pediatrician who came up to me after a seminar one time, and she said, \u201cI try to keep really healthy food in my house. We exercise as a family, but it\u2019s more because we want to go for a walk or a bike ride, than we want to exercise.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She said, \u201cAnd I regularly drive through McDonalds and get my kids fries, because I want them to have a sense of balance, and I don\u2019t want it to feel like this is a boundary we\u2019re putting in place that creates more rigidity.\u201d But I would also say, if you are listening and you\u2019re worried about your child\u2019s weight, which is easy for parents to do, and I think we cannot be worried about it from just the way they look. We can be worried about it from a health issue.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: What I say to parents all the time is, \u201cI want you to pick up the phone and call the pediatrician. Express your concern to that doctor. Let the doctor handle it on your next visit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, that\u2019s good, Sissy.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Because if we\u2019re saying it\u2019s about control, and you as a parent all of a sudden start saying, \u201cOh, haven\u2019t you already had chips today? Didn\u2019t you already have\u2014?\u201d then you\u2019re fighting your child for control.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s like that game where you stack hands, and they\u2019re going to fight you harder. So, let the pediatrician handle it. If the pediatrician sees your child and says, \u201cThey\u2019re okay,\u201d then they\u2019re okay, and let it go; and that becomes more your issue.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I am going through all my parenting thing, because healthy is important to me, but you don\u2019t want them to just eat junk, so you are trying\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, you keep healthy food in your house.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Okay.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: But you\u2019re the gatekeeper.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But you\u2019re not talking about being healthy and how you shouldn\u2019t eat that. You\u2019re just keeping the good things in the house.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, and I\u2019m going to push on women\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014do!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u2014because I think we have to be really aware of what we\u2019re saying in front of kids. I remember a girl whose mom was thinner than she was that I counseled, and she said, \u201cMy mom talks about her body so much, and how much she doesn\u2019t like it. 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So, do I quit caring about it and go the opposite, or do I feel like I end up competitive with her?\u201d I just think it has to be so confusing, and I\u2019m very curious what we\u2019re going to see, in ten years, that life felt like growing up in this influencer culture. I just think it\u2019s really tough.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Sissy, what you\u2019re saying\u2014and you\u2019re the expert on this, but\u2014I think guys are doing this more and more, so I would say to the dads, \u201cBe careful.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Dave, you\u2019re more conscious than you\u2019ve ever been in your life.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Oh, ever! And part of it\u2019s the influencer and the culture, but I couldn\u2019t care less 20 years ago, and now I\u2019m like, \u201cLook at my body.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: But I\u2019m seeing superhero movies, and these guys are sculpted, and you think, \u201cWho could look like that?\u201d They actually do look like that, and we\u2019re putting that on our boys.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, I think the caution is there for us as dads to be very careful.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Well, you have rowing culture and wrestling culture. You have all these cultures that\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: \u2014body building.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014body building, that are obsessed with weigh-ins.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Davis has friends that are weighing in, and wearing zoot suits\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Cutting and bulking.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014cutting, and \u201cI can\u2019t have that today.\u201d If you had any tendency or trauma on board, I would be terrified. I mean, just listen to them. I know a lot of people do it, and wrestling has been a thing for years, but wowza! It\u2019s intense for boys.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s scary.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: And cross country. Also, I feel like we don\u2019t address boys\u2019 eating disorders enough.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: It\u2019s always\u2014if a girl is skinny, it\u2019s like, \u201cSomething\u2019s not right here,\u201d but if a guy is skinny, \u201cHe just has a fast metabolism.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So true!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: \u201cHe\u2019s not struggling. Guys are just naturally skinnier.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: That\u2019s good, Campbell.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: W,hen sometimes guys aren\u2019t naturally skinnier.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I see so many men struggling with eating disorders. One of my best friends struggles with an eating disorder, and he didn\u2019t tell anybody except for me, because I struggled with that.<\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s like with wrestling or cross county, \u201cI have to be lighter, skinnier.\u201d It\u2019s the control; it\u2019s the anxiety.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: All of it together.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: it\u2019s all of these things, and it\u2019s really hard. I posted this thing on my Instagram the other day: \u201cBut is that really your dream body if it\u2019s a nightmare to get there?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: That\u2019s a great statement, Campbell!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, that\u2019s deep, Campbell.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Mic drop!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Can we back up and talk about counseling again?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You\u2019re like, \u201cI love all the backing up.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Sorry!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: No. You\u2019re saying such great, important things. I think all these things, early on, if you have the intuition something\u2019s off, even if you\u2019re married to a non-anxious spouse, and they say, \u201cIt\u2019s fine.\u201d Sorry. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It never was fine, by the way.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I think parents\u2019 intuition is our superpower.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, if you at all feel like, \u201cHuh, that seems off. She\u2019s wearing too many layers, or he\u2019s talking a lot about the check in,\u201d go to counseling. Go ahead and find a counselor, because I just think we can\u2019t do that early enough. We can\u2019t be proactive enough. And to me, a good counselor would see your child three times and say, \u201cHey, they\u2019re fine. You don\u2019t need to come back.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sometimes, as a parent, we just don\u2019t want the battle.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m going to make an appointment, and they\u2019re going to have a fit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So, how do we get them there?<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: That\u2019s great.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Well, can I tell you my favorite statement someone ever said to me about why they told their kids they were going to counseling? They told their daughter, and she didn\u2019t want to do it, and this mom said, \u201cHoney, my job as your parent is to build your team. So, we have people that are on your medical team that are your doctors. We have people on your academic team that are your teachers. Of course, I would have someone on your emotional team that are going to be your counselors.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: That\u2019s great.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u201cSo, it\u2019s just going to be the deal, and we may go three times, and then not again for a while, but we\u2019re going to have somebody that when things come up you can say, \u2018I want to go see [blank].\u2019\u201d I just thought, \u201cWhat a beautiful, healthy approach.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I wish I\u2019d had that.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I know!<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Me, too. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Good.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: And then I think, \u201cGet them to the building.\u201d And every counselor who has been doing it any length of time has walked out to the car and convinced a very oppositional child into the building. We have all done it. I\u2019ve had van doors slammed on my side. It\u2019s just part of our job. That\u2019s why we do what we do with kids, because hopefully we\u2019re good at drawing them in. So, if you can get them there\u2014I definitely have had parents bribe their kids.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I think too, Sissy, recognizing that if you do have trauma, if divorce has been your story, if death has been your story, if dad is an alcoholic; if you have trauma in your family\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014abuse of any kind.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, abuse of any kind\u2014if you know the child has been abused, pre-emptively, that child probably, whether they\u2019re struggling or not, then they can go three times and at least you have that person on board. When they do get in a crisis, they have a relationship. I think that\u2019s a big deal, too, being proactive.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Right. Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes. I love that, Rachel.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Because if you know there are parts to your story that haven\u2019t been easy, that child is much more likely to struggle.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Anything else, Sissy, that we need to know as parents?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right now, in this day and time, I have never seen parents as discouraged, feeling as defeated, feeling as anxious, feeling as much like failures as I\u2019m seeing today. Even thinking about these conversations that are just crucial in the lives of kids, I would not want parents who are listening to think, \u201cOh, no. I\u2019m already behind the eight ball. I didn\u2019t do all these things, and I\u2019m missing it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I would say two things: one is, I don\u2019t believe it\u2019s ever too late, and two, that we serve a redemptive God.<\/p>\n<p>The fact that Campbell is sitting here and expressing herself as beautifully as she is, and that this is your story. I was sitting in a room as you were recording your other episodes, just blown away by what you were saying. And it reminded me of the verse that I love to use the most with kids who are struggling and feeling their own sense of self-hatred, shame, all of those things.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s 1 John 3:18-20. It says\u2014this is in the Message; it says: \u201cMy dear children, let\u2019s not just talk about love. Let\u2019s practice real love. This is the only way we\u2019ll know we\u2019re living truly, living in God\u2019s reality. It\u2019s also the way to shut down debilitating self-criticism, even when there\u2019s something to it, for God is greater than our worried hearts and knows more about us than we do ourselves.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s so good.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Isn\u2019t that beautiful?<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: My new bio verse! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s the way to answer, when we have that voice of self-hatred; that when we give, when we experience having purpose, which is what you\u2019re doing right now.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, I hope that carries you for a long way.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: So good.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: That is really, really good.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Well, just to feel like you\u2019re making a difference; and I think\u2014as we\u2019re talking about emotions, as we\u2019re talking about coping strategies, I think\u2014one of the best things we can do and that we can help lead kids towards is making a difference somewhere else, and having a sense of purpose, and people will love that.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I think, too, Sissy, \u201cWithout vision the people perish,\u201d [Proverbs 29:18] and so many parents don\u2019t have a vision for their child [as] healed. That was one thing that Karen, who Dave and Ann know\u2014Karen was with me when we came down here and recorded; and she said, \u201cRachel, you cannot use your eyes when you\u2019re in the hospital,\u201d because I couldn\u2019t use my eyes. What I saw was death, what I saw was destruction, what I saw was pain.<\/p>\n<p>She said, \u201cYou have to get a vision for what Campbell can be,\u201d so I held this vision of her in this outfit that I loved. It was this baby blue outfit, and her hands were up, and she was dancing like she was at a homecoming dance, and she was just totally free from her body. I\u2019ve held that vision for a year.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Rachel, that\u2019s beautiful!<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: But I do think I held on to what the Lord was showing me was true. That was what was true of Campbell; that was what the possibility was; but I held it. I held it so tight, because I could not use my eyes.<\/p>\n<p>I think, for so many parents, we just don\u2019t have a vision of our kids healed because we haven\u2019t been given permission. It\u2019s like we\u2019re so in it, we can\u2019t even get a sense of that. So, I would just say to any parent listening, get a vision for what it can be, what your child looks like, what they can be doing, healed, whole, and delivered.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s God\u2019s vision.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: It is God\u2019s vision.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s what He sees.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: It is what He saw. And she was in that same outfit this summer, healed and with me on a trip. I thought, \u201cThis is it. This is my vision, in that exact same outfit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I think that\u2019s a really good reminder that there\u2019s a team\u2014Jesus; it\u2019s the Trinity, it\u2019s the Father, the Son\u2014who are cheering for us.<\/p>\n<p>All: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Because that vision is who He created you to be, Campbell, who He\u2019s created all of us to be. So, even as parents to cry out to that team, like \u201cGod, we can\u2019t do it. I can\u2019t do it. We need You desperately,\u201d and He hears.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: He\u2019s the best team ever! So, cry out to Him. He loves you; He loves your kids.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell, I just want to say one last time, we are incredibly proud of you!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Thank you for all you\u2019re saying, all you\u2019re doing. You\u2019re impacting so many, and you haven\u2019t been out of it very long. Sometimes, it\u2019s easy to wait 30 years, as you said.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But you are like, \u201cI want to help people now.\u201d Thank you for your courage.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you for letting me talk.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And Sissy, Rachel, thanks, you guys.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I love y\u2019all.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I\u2019m honored to be with y\u2019all. Proud of you, Campbell.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Admitting that we can\u2019t do it isn\u2019t a bad place to be, as a young person or parents. Some people might ask, \u201cWhy? Why is that not a bad thing?\u201d Well, because it means, in those moments, that we\u2019re going to God for strength, the strength that we lack. Moving toward Him is what it means to be in relationship with Him, and our weakness is a doorway to God\u2019s strength showing up in our lives. That\u2019s what I\u2019ve witnessed here today.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Rachel Faulkner Brown, Campbell Brown, and Sissy Goff on FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy has written a book called The Worry-Free Parent: Living in Confidence So Your Kids Can, Too. This book is going to be our gift to you when you give today at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can get your copy now with any donation that you give by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com. Just click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or you can give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329. Again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d Or feel free to drop us something in the mail if you\u2019d like, too. Our mailing address is FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, FL 32832.<\/p>\n<p>So, what is one of the most important things you can do for your family? 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Campbell Brown and therapist, Sissy Goff, share insight on addressing teenage eating disorders, body image concerns, and emotional well-being in kids. 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I\u2019m already behind the eight ball. I didn\u2019t do all these things, and I\u2019m missing it.\u201d I would say two things: one is, I don\u2019t believe it\u2019s ever too late, and two, that we serve a redemptive God.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I\u2019m excited today because we have one of the world\u2019s best therapists, counselors in the studio.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s true!<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Amen!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Here\u2019s why I\u2019m excited. She\u2019s not here to counsel me. [Laughter] Finally! Finally, in all of my brokenness. They brought counselors in here. They\u2019d surprise me; put me on the couch and say, \u201cWe have to fix Dave.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Our best episodes. We all need [to be] fixed.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: But I think today is going to be a beautiful day.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too. Sissy Goff, welcome back to FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Oh, I\u2019m so honored to be back with y\u2019all, and that I get to sit here with these two.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes. We have Rachel Faulkner Brown and her daughter, Campbell, with us. We\u2019ve had a few great days with you two sharing your story of your mother-daughter relationship. But Campbell, you\u2019ve been really brave talking about your journey through anorexia.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, you have.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes, thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Honestly, you\u2019re 16 years old, and you want people to get help, so thank you for bringing this into the light, because there are so many people that are struggling. And Rachel, we\u2019ve had you on before, and I hope that all of our listeners will go back and listen to the last two days, because your journey is something [that] as parents, we are so fearful for our kids to struggle or even be hospitalized. It can be our greatness fear.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, totally.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: It\u2019s really scary.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes. I have to say, when I was listening to you, Campbell, the last couple of days, I\u2019m looking at you sitting in a studio in Orlando [Laughter], beautiful, vibrant! And the story we heard the last two days is, you were in a hospital, almost lost your life.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Part of me thinks every parent needs to hear the story, because we give up. We think our kids are beyond hope. And your story, for everyone of, us says God can resurrect and do great things.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sissy, tell us about eating disorders. Is this something we as parents are worrying about?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, certainly; and you know, it\u2019s fascinating, because doing this work for 30 years, I\u2019ve seen a lot of trends, and a lot of things, a lot of shifts that happen. I think, probably 15 to 20 years ago, I was seeing an unbelievable amount of eating disorders among kids. I saw it get better for a period of time. I have never read this statistically; this is anecdotally with the kids that I\u2019m seeing in my practice. I saw a lot less kids for a while, and something happened in the pandemic.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You think about it: we were at home around food; none of us were our healthiest selves in any way. And if we were going to really oversimplify, from my perspective, where eating disorders can be hard, I would say it\u2019s about two primary things: one is a word you all used a lot, \u201cshame.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Shame and self-hatred; and the other is about control.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You start off thinking you\u2019re going to control the food, and the food ends up controlling you.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What\u2019s the shame part?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I think it\u2019s this sense of, \u201cI\u2019m not enough, I\u2019m not okay. I don\u2019t know who I am. I don\u2019t like myself.\u201d I heard somebody once say, which I thought was fascinating, that with folks who lean towards being more anorexic, it\u2019s this sense of, \u201cI don\u2019t like who I am so I wish I could disappear, so I\u2019m going to get smaller and smaller.\u201d For people who struggle with bulimia, it\u2019s more, \u201cI hate myself and I wish I could get rid of who I am,\u201d so almost the action mimics the shame inside.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes! With anorexia, it\u2019s like you\u2019re not allowed to take up space.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, that\u2019s a beautiful way to say that, Campbell. Yes, absolutely. If we go back to the pandemic, we were all really out of control in some big ways, so thinking about what you were talking about, about the switches that get flipped. I love that idea.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: And I think also, we were fighting. Marriages were struggling, and kids were witnessing that; and I think parents and kids were fighting more. I think, too, kids were home and scrolling more.<\/p>\n<p>All: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, there are so many factors during that time that ramped up the statistics.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Now, what\u2019s a parent to do? Talking to Rachel, yesterday or maybe two days ago, when she said, \u201cI saw it, but I sort of thought it was thyroid or said it was thyroid.\u201d I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve done that a thousand times.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Like, \u201cI can see it, but I don\u2019t want to even step in it. I\u2019m afraid to.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I don\u2019t want to give it a name.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes; Dave and I would have these conversations. I\u2019d say, \u201cI\u2019m really\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014you don\u2019t have to tell the world.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\u201cconcerned about (naming one of our sons) because of this and this,\u201d and you would always say, \u201cHe\u2019s fine! He\u2019s great.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Famous last words.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I was always wrong; always.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: No, you weren\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: There\u2019s a statistic that in a two-parent household, there\u2019s usually an anxious parent and a non-anxious parent.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I want every family, even before your kids can read, I want you to be passing feelings charts around the dinner table.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Amen.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I love that!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: And I want everybody to be naming three feelings. The more we can help kids early on give them adequate words, help them understand their feelings, help them accept what they\u2019re feeling, and\u2014this is maybe a separate topic\u2014but I\u2019m on a really big soapbox right now! I do think that, culturally, we are overdoing feelings to some degree.<\/p>\n<p>I believe feeling your feelings and doing your work is different; that doing your work involves feeling your feelings, but it\u2019s not all of it. So, helping kids name their feelings, understand their feelings, and that we sit with a lot of empathy with those feelings; then we help them work their way toward positive coping strategies.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Be empathetic?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Be empathetic. Sit with the feelings past the point of feeling comfortable, because I think, based on our personality, some of us feel more uncomfortable with what, probably, the four of us grew up considering negative emotions. No emotions are negative; emotions are just data.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: But it can be hard to sit with someone who is a really deep feeler and maybe even gets a little stuck in it.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I remember [when] a client I was counseling said to me, \u201cI don\u2019t want to grow. I just want to be understood.\u201d My first thought was, \u201cI am the wrong girl for you, [Laughter] because I want to help you grow,\u201d but I think we need to labor longer in understanding.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: With eating disorders, your brain is so depleted because you\u2019re not eating enough fat, especially with anorexia. I\u2019m just going to speak to anorexia, because I don\u2019t really have the margin to speak for anything else, but when you have anorexia, fat is the enemy, okay? And when you don\u2019t have fat, your brain cannot function on a regular level.<\/p>\n<p>So, feelings go out the window, and it\u2019s only \u201cstop, drop, and roll,\u201d like fire safety, just traumatic control is all your brain can do.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: So, you give it a task, and the brain completes that one task. And your one task: what is it? \u201cDon\u2019t eat.\u201d So, that\u2019s the only thing you can think about, day and night.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: There\u2019s no rational\u2014you see this?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Oh, no rational thinking.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: There\u2019s no rational!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: There\u2019s no rational thinking.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Everything is black and white. It is this or that. Sleep is no longer sleep. Sleep is just closing your eyes, and you wake up just as tired as you went to bed.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: And you don\u2019t want to die.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: You kind of do at one point.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, at some point, but she just wanted to be thin.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Eating disorders are actually a form of self-harm.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, for sure.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, Sissy, if you\u2019re trying to talk to your daughter or son about feelings, and they\u2019re resistant, they\u2019re not going to go there, what do you do?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right. Well, I think we want to start way, way, way earlier\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014way back; yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u2014because at that point, it is a moot point.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: We\u2019re not going to get there; they\u2019re not going to talk about it. I would just make it a part of your family practice, where we\u2019re regularly doing this. And then I think, with older kids who aren\u2019t where you were, certainly, I think we have to be sneaky. If you have a 14-, 15-, or 16-year-old and you say, \u201cLet\u2019s pass the feelings chart around the dinner table,\u201d they\u2019re going to roll their eyes. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Are you okay?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right, yes. But I think instead, we think about: when can we sit up a little bit later? They come in from being out with their friends, and kids are more vulnerable, all the things they\u2019ll share.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right, right.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You know, when can we lean in that they might be a little more willing to talk? And that we just stop doing as much of the talking, and we say things like, \u201cTell me more about that. I\u2019d love to hear more.\u201d At the first signs, which you are not giving yourself enough credit\u2014you were on top of it.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I will say this, Sissy, to that point: I saw this thing in The New York Times, and I think this would be such a great thing to tell parents. At dinner, talk to your family, and you could do this even at a dinner party. \u201cWhat is the rose of the day? What is the thorn of the day? And what is the bud?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The bud: \u201cWhat are you looking forward to? What\u2019s the problem, what are you struggling with in your life? What\u2019s the thorn?\u201d And then, \u201cWhat\u2019s the rose? What is something that happened to you that you celebrate today?\u201d I thought, \u201cIt\u2019s those conversations\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u2014yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014compounded interest in those type conversations that get your kids talking. I feel like those little simple questions are where the gold is.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: You know that. You have millions of those in your books. But I saw that and thought, \u201cI have never heard that, and that is really good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I love that. That\u2019s awesome. It is really good. I think, as we\u2019re thinking about food, again you have done a beautiful job, you two, this week.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Haven\u2019t they?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: If you haven\u2019t heard, go back and listen to all these episodes, because there\u2019s so much about what you can do along the way. So, I want to kind of keep moving back and say preventatively\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: \u2014go back. Yes, I love this.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, I want you as a family to not talk about food. Research I have read certainly says, \u201cJust don\u2019t talk about it. Don\u2019t talk about food, don\u2019t talk about choices, don\u2019t talk about weight to your children.\u201d What I say to parents often is, \u201cMake it a non-issue.\u201d I had a pediatrician who came up to me after a seminar one time, and she said, \u201cI try to keep really healthy food in my house. We exercise as a family, but it\u2019s more because we want to go for a walk or a bike ride, than we want to exercise.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She said, \u201cAnd I regularly drive through McDonalds and get my kids fries, because I want them to have a sense of balance, and I don\u2019t want it to feel like this is a boundary we\u2019re putting in place that creates more rigidity.\u201d But I would also say, if you are listening and you\u2019re worried about your child\u2019s weight, which is easy for parents to do, and I think we cannot be worried about it from just the way they look. We can be worried about it from a health issue.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Right.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: What I say to parents all the time is, \u201cI want you to pick up the phone and call the pediatrician. Express your concern to that doctor. Let the doctor handle it on your next visit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, that\u2019s good, Sissy.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Because if we\u2019re saying it\u2019s about control, and you as a parent all of a sudden start saying, \u201cOh, haven\u2019t you already had chips today? Didn\u2019t you already have\u2014?\u201d then you\u2019re fighting your child for control.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s like that game where you stack hands, and they\u2019re going to fight you harder. So, let the pediatrician handle it. If the pediatrician sees your child and says, \u201cThey\u2019re okay,\u201d then they\u2019re okay, and let it go; and that becomes more your issue.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I am going through all my parenting thing, because healthy is important to me, but you don\u2019t want them to just eat junk, so you are trying\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, you keep healthy food in your house.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Okay.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: But you\u2019re the gatekeeper.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But you\u2019re not talking about being healthy and how you shouldn\u2019t eat that. You\u2019re just keeping the good things in the house.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, and I\u2019m going to push on women\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014do!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u2014because I think we have to be really aware of what we\u2019re saying in front of kids. I remember a girl whose mom was thinner than she was that I counseled, and she said, \u201cMy mom talks about her body so much, and how much she doesn\u2019t like it. If she thinks that about herself, I can\u2019t imagine what she thinks when she looks at me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Ohhhh.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: And I\u2019m going to go a step farther and really call some of us out, but I think in this age of social media, I feel concerned about even influencer culture\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014yes, agreed.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u2014because I think just who I am and have always felt like this: I think adolescents\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Campbell is basically clapping.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: One hundred percent!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I feel this on another level.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I\u2019m so glad, Campbell! High fives!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: You\u2019re preaching to a choir right now.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Okay, keep going, Sissy.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I think there\u2019s that sense of, \u201cI\u2019m 16, and I need to be cooler than my mom, and here my mom is all over social media, looking really cool, maybe trying to look cool. So, what does that mean that I believe about myself? So, do I quit caring about it and go the opposite, or do I feel like I end up competitive with her?\u201d I just think it has to be so confusing, and I\u2019m very curious what we\u2019re going to see, in ten years, that life felt like growing up in this influencer culture. I just think it\u2019s really tough.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Sissy, what you\u2019re saying\u2014and you\u2019re the expert on this, but\u2014I think guys are doing this more and more, so I would say to the dads, \u201cBe careful.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Dave, you\u2019re more conscious than you\u2019ve ever been in your life.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Oh, ever! And part of it\u2019s the influencer and the culture, but I couldn\u2019t care less 20 years ago, and now I\u2019m like, \u201cLook at my body.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: But I\u2019m seeing superhero movies, and these guys are sculpted, and you think, \u201cWho could look like that?\u201d They actually do look like that, and we\u2019re putting that on our boys.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: So, I think the caution is there for us as dads to be very careful.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Well, you have rowing culture and wrestling culture. You have all these cultures that\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: \u2014body building.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014body building, that are obsessed with weigh-ins.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Davis has friends that are weighing in, and wearing zoot suits\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Cutting and bulking.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: \u2014cutting, and \u201cI can\u2019t have that today.\u201d If you had any tendency or trauma on board, I would be terrified. I mean, just listen to them. I know a lot of people do it, and wrestling has been a thing for years, but wowza! It\u2019s intense for boys.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s scary.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: And cross country. Also, I feel like we don\u2019t address boys\u2019 eating disorders enough.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: It\u2019s always\u2014if a girl is skinny, it\u2019s like, \u201cSomething\u2019s not right here,\u201d but if a guy is skinny, \u201cHe just has a fast metabolism.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So true!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: \u201cHe\u2019s not struggling. Guys are just naturally skinnier.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: That\u2019s good, Campbell.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: W,hen sometimes guys aren\u2019t naturally skinnier.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: I see so many men struggling with eating disorders. One of my best friends struggles with an eating disorder, and he didn\u2019t tell anybody except for me, because I struggled with that.<\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s like with wrestling or cross county, \u201cI have to be lighter, skinnier.\u201d It\u2019s the control; it\u2019s the anxiety.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: All of it together.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: it\u2019s all of these things, and it\u2019s really hard. I posted this thing on my Instagram the other day: \u201cBut is that really your dream body if it\u2019s a nightmare to get there?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: That\u2019s a great statement, Campbell!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, that\u2019s deep, Campbell.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Mic drop!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Can we back up and talk about counseling again?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: You\u2019re like, \u201cI love all the backing up.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Sorry!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: No. You\u2019re saying such great, important things. I think all these things, early on, if you have the intuition something\u2019s off, even if you\u2019re married to a non-anxious spouse, and they say, \u201cIt\u2019s fine.\u201d Sorry. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It never was fine, by the way.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I think parents\u2019 intuition is our superpower.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I agree.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, if you at all feel like, \u201cHuh, that seems off. She\u2019s wearing too many layers, or he\u2019s talking a lot about the check in,\u201d go to counseling. Go ahead and find a counselor, because I just think we can\u2019t do that early enough. We can\u2019t be proactive enough. And to me, a good counselor would see your child three times and say, \u201cHey, they\u2019re fine. You don\u2019t need to come back.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Sometimes, as a parent, we just don\u2019t want the battle.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I know.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m going to make an appointment, and they\u2019re going to have a fit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So, how do we get them there?<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: That\u2019s great.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Well, can I tell you my favorite statement someone ever said to me about why they told their kids they were going to counseling? They told their daughter, and she didn\u2019t want to do it, and this mom said, \u201cHoney, my job as your parent is to build your team. So, we have people that are on your medical team that are your doctors. We have people on your academic team that are your teachers. Of course, I would have someone on your emotional team that are going to be your counselors.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: That\u2019s great.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: \u201cSo, it\u2019s just going to be the deal, and we may go three times, and then not again for a while, but we\u2019re going to have somebody that when things come up you can say, \u2018I want to go see [blank].\u2019\u201d I just thought, \u201cWhat a beautiful, healthy approach.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I wish I\u2019d had that.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I know!<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Me, too. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Good.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: And then I think, \u201cGet them to the building.\u201d And every counselor who has been doing it any length of time has walked out to the car and convinced a very oppositional child into the building. We have all done it. I\u2019ve had van doors slammed on my side. It\u2019s just part of our job. That\u2019s why we do what we do with kids, because hopefully we\u2019re good at drawing them in. So, if you can get them there\u2014I definitely have had parents bribe their kids.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I think too, Sissy, recognizing that if you do have trauma, if divorce has been your story, if death has been your story, if dad is an alcoholic; if you have trauma in your family\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014abuse of any kind.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes, abuse of any kind\u2014if you know the child has been abused, pre-emptively, that child probably, whether they\u2019re struggling or not, then they can go three times and at least you have that person on board. When they do get in a crisis, they have a relationship. I think that\u2019s a big deal, too, being proactive.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Right. Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes. I love that, Rachel.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Because if you know there are parts to your story that haven\u2019t been easy, that child is much more likely to struggle.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Yes, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Anything else, Sissy, that we need to know as parents?<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Right now, in this day and time, I have never seen parents as discouraged, feeling as defeated, feeling as anxious, feeling as much like failures as I\u2019m seeing today. Even thinking about these conversations that are just crucial in the lives of kids, I would not want parents who are listening to think, \u201cOh, no. I\u2019m already behind the eight ball. I didn\u2019t do all these things, and I\u2019m missing it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I would say two things: one is, I don\u2019t believe it\u2019s ever too late, and two, that we serve a redemptive God.<\/p>\n<p>The fact that Campbell is sitting here and expressing herself as beautifully as she is, and that this is your story. I was sitting in a room as you were recording your other episodes, just blown away by what you were saying. And it reminded me of the verse that I love to use the most with kids who are struggling and feeling their own sense of self-hatred, shame, all of those things.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s 1 John 3:18-20. It says\u2014this is in the Message; it says: \u201cMy dear children, let\u2019s not just talk about love. Let\u2019s practice real love. This is the only way we\u2019ll know we\u2019re living truly, living in God\u2019s reality. It\u2019s also the way to shut down debilitating self-criticism, even when there\u2019s something to it, for God is greater than our worried hearts and knows more about us than we do ourselves.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s so good.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Isn\u2019t that beautiful?<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: My new bio verse! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: It\u2019s the way to answer, when we have that voice of self-hatred; that when we give, when we experience having purpose, which is what you\u2019re doing right now.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: So, I hope that carries you for a long way.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: So good.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: That is really, really good.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Well, just to feel like you\u2019re making a difference; and I think\u2014as we\u2019re talking about emotions, as we\u2019re talking about coping strategies, I think\u2014one of the best things we can do and that we can help lead kids towards is making a difference somewhere else, and having a sense of purpose, and people will love that.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I think, too, Sissy, \u201cWithout vision the people perish,\u201d [Proverbs 29:18] and so many parents don\u2019t have a vision for their child [as] healed. That was one thing that Karen, who Dave and Ann know\u2014Karen was with me when we came down here and recorded; and she said, \u201cRachel, you cannot use your eyes when you\u2019re in the hospital,\u201d because I couldn\u2019t use my eyes. What I saw was death, what I saw was destruction, what I saw was pain.<\/p>\n<p>She said, \u201cYou have to get a vision for what Campbell can be,\u201d so I held this vision of her in this outfit that I loved. It was this baby blue outfit, and her hands were up, and she was dancing like she was at a homecoming dance, and she was just totally free from her body. I\u2019ve held that vision for a year.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Rachel, that\u2019s beautiful!<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: But I do think I held on to what the Lord was showing me was true. That was what was true of Campbell; that was what the possibility was; but I held it. I held it so tight, because I could not use my eyes.<\/p>\n<p>I think, for so many parents, we just don\u2019t have a vision of our kids healed because we haven\u2019t been given permission. It\u2019s like we\u2019re so in it, we can\u2019t even get a sense of that. So, I would just say to any parent listening, get a vision for what it can be, what your child looks like, what they can be doing, healed, whole, and delivered.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s God\u2019s vision.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: It is God\u2019s vision.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s what He sees.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: It is what He saw. And she was in that same outfit this summer, healed and with me on a trip. I thought, \u201cThis is it. This is my vision, in that exact same outfit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I think that\u2019s a really good reminder that there\u2019s a team\u2014Jesus; it\u2019s the Trinity, it\u2019s the Father, the Son\u2014who are cheering for us.<\/p>\n<p>All: Yes!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Because that vision is who He created you to be, Campbell, who He\u2019s created all of us to be. So, even as parents to cry out to that team, like \u201cGod, we can\u2019t do it. I can\u2019t do it. We need You desperately,\u201d and He hears.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: He\u2019s the best team ever! So, cry out to Him. He loves you; He loves your kids.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell, I just want to say one last time, we are incredibly proud of you!<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Thank you for all you\u2019re saying, all you\u2019re doing. You\u2019re impacting so many, and you haven\u2019t been out of it very long. Sometimes, it\u2019s easy to wait 30 years, as you said.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: But you are like, \u201cI want to help people now.\u201d Thank you for your courage.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you for letting me talk.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And Sissy, Rachel, thanks, you guys.<\/p>\n<p>Rachel: I love y\u2019all.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy: I\u2019m honored to be with y\u2019all. Proud of you, Campbell.<\/p>\n<p>Campbell: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Admitting that we can\u2019t do it isn\u2019t a bad place to be, as a young person or parents. Some people might ask, \u201cWhy? Why is that not a bad thing?\u201d Well, because it means, in those moments, that we\u2019re going to God for strength, the strength that we lack. Moving toward Him is what it means to be in relationship with Him, and our weakness is a doorway to God\u2019s strength showing up in our lives. That\u2019s what I\u2019ve witnessed here today.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Rachel Faulkner Brown, Campbell Brown, and Sissy Goff on FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>Sissy has written a book called The Worry-Free Parent: Living in Confidence So Your Kids Can, Too. This book is going to be our gift to you when you give today at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can get your copy now with any donation that you give by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com. Just click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or you can give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329. Again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d Or feel free to drop us something in the mail if you\u2019d like, too. Our mailing address is FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, FL 32832.<\/p>\n<p>So, what is one of the most important things you can do for your family? 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