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And sometimes, we do have unreasonable expectations. I think a life that is devoid of difficulty is an unreasonable expectation.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I was thinking\u2014two tests for a marriage\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014oh.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014these reveal the character of a person. How they handle prosperity\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014and\/or how they handle adversity.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Which one\u2019s harder?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Well, when you are in it, you are thinking it's definitely adversity. But, man, I\u2019ve seen more people fall away in prosperity.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: When adversity, trials, or hardship hit a person or a marriage, it's the test.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You find out what you are made of. Most marriages\u2014a lot of families\u2014when they go through really serious hardship, they don\u2019t make it. That\u2019s what we are going to talk about today.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I know. I\u2019m excited.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: We\u2019ve got Elizabeth Woodson with us. Her book is called Embrace Your Life. Elizabeth, welcome to FamilyLife. You\u2019ve never been here, right?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Never been here. I\u2019m excited to be here.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I love this subtitle.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Did you come up with it?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I did.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Everybody can relate to How to Find Joy When the Life You Have is Not the Life You Hoped For.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Everybody just thought: \u201cY--yes.! Y--yes., and Amen.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I wonder how many people think, \u201cI\u2019ve got the life I hoped for.\u201d No, most think, \u201cI wanted it, but\u2014the question is\u2014I don\u2019t have joy if I don\u2019t get it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Talk to us; how did this book come about?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I tell folks it came about for two reasons: one, it's just my own personal journey. Seasons of discontent; seasons of difficulty. I always tell people t\u2019s like you\u2019re in the valley, and the timer has run out on how long you wanted to be there. And God\u2019s saying, \u201cOh, no! We\u2019ve still got more time.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>And then, it was stories of working in ministry. I\u2019ve worked on staff at two different churches in my vocational ministry experience. I would have this chair in my office. People would come in\u2014it\u2019s this big ol\u2019 chair, a wingback chair\u2014and they would tell me their stories. Some of them were really great, and some of them were really hard.<\/p>\n<p>There were two types of people that would come in with the hard stories: those who, whether financial, or health, it\u2019s a relationship\u2014I worked in single's ministry, so it was a lot of relationship stories. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: But it was also, they were trying to press through. They were trying to make it. They were trying to still have a joyful attitude in the midst of their difficulty, and then, there was the other group where it was the same story all the time. I am a person that believes in giving people time to process. It just takes time to get through some stuff.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: But, year after year, I\u2019m hearing the same thing.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What do you mean, \u201cThe same thing?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I\u2019m hearing the same complaints about their situation\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014give us a few.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u201cIt\u2019s never going to get any better.\u201d I hear people talking about, \u201cOh, well this person did this thing however many years ago, and that\u2019s really the root of what I\u2019m going through right now.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So, really, its people pointing back to a past event, whether there\u2019s a broken relationship, it\u2019s financial difficulty, or it's a health issue, and they can\u2019t move forward because they can\u2019t get past what happened.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Again, you know, we have to process the things. But when people are just replaying the tape\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s as if you can see, \u201cOh, you're stuck. You\u2019re stuck.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I distinctly remember there was one girl I was talking to, and she was talking about a past broken relationship. She couldn\u2019t move forward and receive new relationships. She\u2019s a wonderful, wonderful woman, but she couldn\u2019t walk into that because of the bitterness and because of the brokenness. I was sad, because \u201cThere is so much that God has for you\u2014\"<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\"and you\u2019re going to miss it!\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014\u201cyou\u2019re going to miss it, because you can\u2019t get past.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Could she hear you?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: No. I tried to be encouraging, but there is a point at which the Lord and the Holy Spirit has to do that work in you (if we\u2019re receptive to it). Sometimes, we\u2019re not receptive to it\u2014fear and a lot of different reasons make it complicated.<\/p>\n<p>But that\u2019s why I wrote the book, because sometimes people need hooks to hang their hat on. \u201cElizabeth, how do I get out?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014yes., right.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u201cHow do I move forward?\u201d A lot of those stories and people were with me as I was writing the chapters of that book.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Have you ever gone through those times of adversity that you thought the same thing?\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014yes, we want to hear your story!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014where you thought the same thing, \u201cThe timer has run out?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You were thinking, \u201cThat\u2019s it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Here\u2019s what I want to do: I want to bring a wingback chair in. [Laughter] You\u2019re sitting in it in your office\u2014in our office, and you're telling us your story.<\/p>\n<p>What was your story?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think one piece of my story is death and grief. Losing a lot of loved ones in a short period of time. Grief is, I would say, no respecter of man. It just pops up at the most inconvenient times. It\u2019s like, \u201cMan, I thought I would be past this. This is just really heavy, and I don\u2019t have what I need to function. I don\u2019t have what I need to present in this relationship, present on my job.\u201d You know, I\u2019m bursting into tears, and I\u2019ve got to excuse myself to go to the bathroom.<\/p>\n<p>It's like, \u201cLord, this is really hard. Why does it keep happening? And why in this season? And, why this person?\u201d So, it was just really sad. I remember, I moved to Dallas to be with my grandparents, and right before I moved, one of them passed away.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Hmm.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And then, right after I moved, probably about six or seven months, my grandmother was diagnosed with cancer and passed away four or five months later. I thought, \u201cLord, I\u2019ve uprooted my life to spend time\u2014and at this moment, you\u2019ve taken both grandparents to be with the Lord.\u201d It is those situations of adversity and difficulty. For me, it just is, \u201cLord, how?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another one for me is the pandemic. The pandemic really exacerbated, sometimes, my difficulties with depression. I was in my house. I live by myself. I\u2019m single; never married. I tell people I\u2019m wonderfully happy, but during the pandemic it was a little bit too much of me.<\/p>\n<p>I remember just being in my bed and weeping with the Lord: \u201cI long to be with people, and it\u2019s not happening at this moment,\u201d for obvious reasons. It was just this sadness that wouldn\u2019t go away. After other seasons of difficulty, I\u2019d say, \u201cElizabeth, you can\u2019t stay in this bed. You\u2019ve got to do something.\u201d It was in that moment that that book\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014oh, really?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014Let me take the stories and lessons that I\u2019ve given other people and put them on paper; how the Lord heals through the pages. I saw Him do that for me, bring healing. And again, mental illness is a complicated, difficult journey. The book is not a simple answer for that, but it is, \u201cHow I can find hope in those places?\u201d This might not go away, but I still believe that the gospel provides me with something that can sustain me and let me go find it.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: How did you\u2014I\u2019m sure it\u2019s multifaceted, but how did you get out of the bed?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I\u2019ve had friends, in a really simple way, say, \u201cI need you to put your feet on the floor. I need you to put some clothes on. [Laughter] I need you to take a bath. I need you to put some perfume on, and your day will be just that much better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It was just those simple things from other people who I reached out to in difficult times, and they\u2019ve said, \u201cI need you to practically do these things just today. We\u2019re not saying what you need to do tomorrow. We\u2019re not even saying what you need to do this evening, but just right now, I need you to do this, and this is going to lead you into a better place.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Even though you don\u2019t feel like it.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Even though you don\u2019t feel like it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: --yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And it\u2019s in those moments, I listened to those people and the wisdom they\u2019ve given me to say, \u201cI\u2019m just going to do this one thing,\u201d and have enough energy to do the next step, and then the next step. It\u2019s one step at a time for me in those kinds of seasons.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And does it ever dip?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You feel like you crawl out, and you\u2019re on a journey\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014and then you find yourself back in the valley?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes, always.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think that\u2019s the aspect of\u2014our journey with the Lord, and our journey of healing, is just that. And so, journeys, sometimes you\u2019ll have a great few weeks, you\u2019ll have a great few months, you\u2019ll have a great year, and then something happens.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And so, for me, it\u2019s always, \u201cCan I give myself grace in that place?\u201d The Lord doesn\u2019t expect us to be perfect, but He expects us to be faithful. But then, also, is my response time a little bit shorter than it was before?<\/p>\n<p>I think sometimes we want the Lord to change us really quickly.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes, we do!<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014and He does it slowly, over time.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes! \u201cLord, come on!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: That\u2019s the whole point! The Lord is with me. He loves me. He has grace for me. He\u2019s not abandoning me. He\u2019s not disappointed with me. So, let me love myself the way He loves me. And, in this moment, give myself the grace I need.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: When you say, \u201cembrace the journey,\u201d what do you mean?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: For me, it\u2019s, if I run, where am I going to go?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Hmm.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: There eventually comes an end to which, all of the ways in which I want to ignore, the pain comes to.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think there\u2019s a frustration with that, as well\u2014whether it\u2019s comfort, whether it\u2019s control, whether it\u2019s approval\u2014I\u2019m going to run to a different relationship. I\u2019m going to run to Texas\u2019s gift to the world, which is Blue Bell\u00ae ice cream. [Laughter] I\u2019m going to run to that. Rocky Road. It does make some things better.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I do like that one. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: But in the end, it doesn\u2019t satisfy. So, I think there is this aspect of\u2014part of the reason I encourage us to embrace is, what you really long for can only come from the Lord. All that other stuff you are going to go to\u2014because you are going to go somewhere; all that other stuff\u2014is not going to satisfy you. It\u2019s going to leave you with additional habits\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014things that are easy and hard. Again, I want to emphasize it\u2019s not always a straight line.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s not always easy; but what the gospel provides is, that what your heart is yearning for, God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, can provide.<\/p>\n<p>And so, Embrace is, \u201cLord, I\u2019m going to walk with You through the journey, and I\u2019m going to take what You give. I\u2019m going to be empowered by You, and I\u2019m going to be healed by You. I\u2019m going to be strengthened by You and believe\u2014\u201d I think about the words of David: \u201cThe goodness of the Lord; I\u2019m going to find in the land of the living.\u201d [Psalm 27:13]<\/p>\n<p>I can thrive now. It might not happen today. It might not happen tomorrow; but it is possible for me because of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Any stories in particular that you can recall that you\u2019ve watched somebody really embrace a really hard situation?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes. I think about a friend of mine who had a chronic illness, and it was one where she needed a kidney transplant. She\u2019s my age, going in for dialysis. She thought, \u201cThis is not the life I signed up for.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, she\u2019s young.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: She\u2019s young. She is an actress [with] this very bubbly personality, super-charismatic; but she cannot live in that space. She\u2019s gifted in that. I see her continue to\u2014when she\u2019s not on dialysis, continue to\u2014try to show up for auditions, continue to try to work, to try to live, to try to do life with her family and the life\u2014<\/p>\n<p>For her story--her story has the blessing of a kidney transplant finally [coming] through. To be in the hospital with her when she got the news (because she was in the hospital for a medical difficulty related to her illness)\u2014to see that it\u2019s been a long road, and God\u2019s come through. To see the faithfulness of God; to me, those are things that anchor us.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: She\u2019s seen the faithfulness of God in small ways, but she saw it in a really big way. Her health is not perfect now, so it still requires her to show up and be present with God in His faithfulness. But to me, just to see someone labor for years in waiting on the Lord and to see their relationship with God transformed when they saw God come through. And she\u2019s still walking in that now. That\u2019s one story that sticks with me, because I was there\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014when she got the news. It was really fun to be a part of the journey with her.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Have you seen the opposite?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes. I\u2019ve seen it from afar, and I\u2019ve seen it up close. I think it\u2019s a moment of disappointment with the church and disappointment with God.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Stories of friends and their kids, or friends themselves, who say, \u201cThe Jesus I see in this world, I really don\u2019t want anything to do with. I\u2019m not sure what I still believe in but there's been too much harm done in the name of Christ, and I don\u2019t want to sign up for this anymore.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then, I've seen people waiting on the Lord, the timer ran out for them, and they chose to go find what they were desiring all along. It\u2019s been too much.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s been too long.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s been too long.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201cYou\u2019ve abandoned me,\u201d they feel like.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What do you think\u2014I\u2019m asking both of you; what do you think\u2014the difference is in the ones who embrace pain and come out better, closer to the Lord, and others go through the exact same difficulty, and they\u2019re turned away?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014yes.Dave: \u2014because, if I\u2019m listening, I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t want to be this person; I want to be that person! What do I do? How do I embrace it?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: My thought is, I\u2019m thinking of one of my mentors in seminary. She was diagnosed with breast cancer. I remember saying to her, \u201cAre you mad? Are you mad at God?\u201d She was probably in her late forties. She said, \u201cHow can I be mad when God is the only place that I will find any kind of hope or help?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s like you said earlier, Elizabeth: \u201cWhat are my options?\u201d Because, if any of us have lived long enough, we\u2019ve tasted and seen when we try to go hide, or we get triggered and we try all of the ways in which we\u2019re just trying to escape any kind of pain. It just doesn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n<p>And yet, there\u2019s something about falling on your face before God over and over. Then, He takes our eyes off of ourselves, and He puts them somewhere else. I think when we are in the midst of pain, and we feel His presence\u2014and we don\u2019t always feel it! Sometimes, it's just an act of faith. But, for me, I get on my knees and say, \u201cLord, I\u2019m just going to be obedient today and do the things\u2014\u201d It's exactly what you said: \u201cI\u2019m going to put my feet on the floor. I\u2019m going to take a bath. I'm going to go take a walk.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But then, when you feel His presence, and when you're in the Word and it\u2019s still, \u201cUggh!\u201d Even this morning! My soul comes alive: \u201cThis is what I was made to do; to be with Him.\u201d What are your thoughts?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think it's similar because, in those moments, you are making withdrawals from the deposits you\u2019ve made previously.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: If you\u2019re just showing up in a hard season, and the spiritual account is empty, it's going to be difficult because it's this process of remembrance; of, even though my feelings are telling me, \u201cGod\u2019s abandoned me,\u201d \u201cHe\u2019s not good,\u201d or even some of the ways in which our suffering gets twisted: \u201cGod is punishing me for something that happened twenty years ago.\u201d There\u2019s all this stuff people hear in church. So, we can start to think things that are not true.<\/p>\n<p>But if we have been internalizing the character of God, the stories in which He has delivered people of Scripture, the testimonies of believers today\u2014that\u2019s why I love people sharing their stories. I need my heart to be emboldened based upon what God has done for you, because if He did it for you, He can do it for me.<\/p>\n<p>To me, it\u2019s that we\u2019re making those deposits. That\u2019s why we are in the Word. There are many reasons to be in the Word\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014because it becomes easier for me to withdraw in those seasons of, \u201cOh, I don't have much to give; but, Lord, I know all of this to be true about You, and I\u2019m going to walk in that.\u201d And I always say, even for people who do leave and take that exit door, what I love about the Lord is, He doesn't move. He\u2019s always waiting.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: He\u2019s always there.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: He\u2019s always there. He\u2019s pursuing His people. The grace of journeys\u2014sometimes, even if we hop out of the room and hop back\u2014 [Laughter] God, in His grace, I think about the story of the prodigal son and the father. He just ran to his son. [Luke 15:11-32]<\/p>\n<p>Ann and Dave: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And that\u2019s the image we would have for the Lord even in those seasons where it is difficult for us.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I love what you said about making the deposits before the storm. I remember Dr. Tony Evans, years ago, said, \u201cYou don\u2019t build a foundation for your house\u2014\"<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\"in the storm!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014\"in the storm.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It\u2019s before the storm comes, so that it\u2019s going to stand.<\/p>\n<p>The thing I was thinking when you were talking about it, and even when I was reading your book is, expectations\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014and disappointment. You said\u2014at the very beginning, you talked about how many people say, \u201cI didn\u2019t sign up for this.\u201d How many people say, \u201cI didn\u2019t sign up for this?\u201d We work in the marriage space. That happens in almost every marriage. \u201cI didn\u2019t think it would be this hard. I did not sign up for this.\u201d So, you go into\u2014whether it\u2019s marriage or a job or, you name it, going to live with your grandparents\u2014you have these expectations.<\/p>\n<p>In Detroit, everybody knows about this, because every football season they have expectations that the Lions are going to\u2014maybe the Cowboys, the same thing. And then, when it doesn't work, people are throwing things and putting bags over their heads because we didn\u2019t come through like they expected.<\/p>\n<p>I think we do the same thing with life. Talk a little bit about that. Expectation and disappointment. How do you balance the two? Because disappointment is going to happen.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s going to happen! I always talk about how disappointment is the friend we don\u2019t want that just shows up every so often, because we just live in a fallen world and so, stuff just is not going to go the way we want it to. And sometimes, we have really good expectations about something. There\u2019s nothing wrong with the expectation that my marriage would be good and happy, or that I would have a relationship with my children that is full of joy.<\/p>\n<p>All these things that we expect to happen. Sometimes, we do have unreasonable expectations. I think a life that is devoid of difficulty is an unreasonable expectation, because Scripture points us so much to the difficulties we will find along the way. But are we willing to live with open hands? The problem comes when we hold our expectations so tightly that when they don\u2019t happen, it crushes us\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014instead of saying, \u201cLord, life is a good gift that You give, so when it doesn\u2019t match up to what I want, I know that You know better. Even if I don\u2019t understand why You would allow this to be included in my journey.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Okay, I\u2019m going to give you a scenario. As you were talking and sharing that, I thought, \u201cThis reminds me of this woman I met in this women\u2019s ministry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She\u2019s in her fifties, she has a child; she\u2019s single, and she\u2019s never been married. She\u2019s come up to me every month and she said, \u201cI\u2019m walking away from God.\u201d I said, \u201cWhy would you do that? You\u2019re fantastic. You\u2019re smart.\u201d She said, \u201cBecause He\u2019s not there for me. I\u2019ve been wanting to be married my entire life. I\u2019ve been asking Him to bring me a good man my entire life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And you said, \u201cIt\u2019s overrated.\u201d [Laughter] \u201cYou know my husband, and it\u2019s overrated.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: [Laughter] \u201cI\u2019ve been here for a while, and that\u2019s not always it.\u201d She said, \u201cBut He doesn\u2019t love me. He doesn\u2019t listen to me. I don\u2019t make that great of an income, and I\u2019m in a job where nobody notices me, and I\u2019m tired of it.\u201d She actually ended up trying to take her life, and I saw her right after that.<\/p>\n<p>What would you say to that constant disappointment? She says, \u201cI\u2019ve been trying to walk with Him, but He has not delivered.\u201d She said, \u201cI have delivered. I\u2019ve done my part, but He hasn\u2019t done His part.\u201d I bet you\u2019ve heard that before.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes. Those situations are always super-sensitive, because the compounding impact of disappointment is just super, super-weighty.<\/p>\n<p>I like to point people, in the most gentle way I can, to, \u201cI know it feels like God hasn\u2019t shown up in any way, but let\u2019s go down memory lane.\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014that\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014\"Let\u2019s talk about some of the ways He has shown up.\u201d As we start to\u2014whether it\u2019s that morning He\u2019s showed up, and we go to the past month and the past year and the past few years\u2014all of a sudden, the heart softens just a little bit to realize, \u201cOh, maybe He hasn\u2019t fully kicked me to the curb. The goodness of God is in my life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s what disappointment does to us. It strips us of our vision and perspective.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Do you think the enemy is in that, too?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I do. I know the enemy would love for us to forget all of what God has [done]. Thinking back to Genesis 3 in the garden, as the enemy is talking to Eve and promising her that she will be like God if she would do this thing. The thing was, she was already like God because she was made in His image. We already have all we need because we are connected to God, but the enemy wants us to forget that.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Despair and disappointment make us forget; and remembering what God has done\u2014I always tell folks, \u201cIf there is breath in your body, you are blessed.\u201d So, if we remember, it doesn\u2019t make the disappointment fully go away, but maybe all of what I\u2019m thinking about God\u2014I need to come back to that, because He is showing up. What does that mean about who He is and what He is doing in my life and what He can do? If He\u2019s done those past things, He can do some future things.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s really good.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That sounds like\u2014if I\u2019m listening, and I\u2019m struggling\u2014you just gave me step one. That\u2019s something I can do right here, right now, today: open the Word and get another glimpse of who He is.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Think about Scripture\u2014\"Let me remind you of the faithfulness of God.\u201d Moses did that over and over: \u201cHe rescued us here; He came through here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019ve had a journal, go back in your journal, and see how God has rescued you. Maybe you start a journal, one of those \u201cgrateful\u201d journals. Maybe say, \u201cGod, maybe my eyes haven\u2019t been seeing the faithfulness that you bestowed but help me to remember today and go back and even tell my family, \u201cHere\u2019s how God has been present today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Elizabeth Woodson on FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>You know, remembering the past is one of the intentional ways I try to help my own heart in the present. I\u2019ve been on missionary teams before where we\u2019ve done this thing called an Ebeneezer jar. It\u2019s basically a big glass jar that we put in the middle of the room during one of our staff team meetings. We write down on little slips of paper all the ways that God\u2019s been faithful; things that we\u2019re thankful for, things where we\u2019ve seen Him show up, and things where we\u2019ve been intentionally grateful to Jesus for the fact that He has worked in our lives.<\/p>\n<p>We take the time to read those little pieces of paper out loud to the whole room, and then we throw them into the jar in the center of the room. We applaud and praise God for what He\u2019s done. It\u2019s really cool to see that jar fill up over time. It\u2019s really a testament to how God has worked in the past, so that we can remember in the present that He is faithful. And as we look to the future, we\u2019ll know that He\u2019s going to be there, too.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth Woodson has written a book called Embrace Your Life: How to Find Joy When the Life You Have is Not the Life You Hoped For. I think, probably, everybody can relate to that in some form or fashion: \u201cIt\u2019s not turning out the way I wanted it to.\u201d The book is for anyone who is wrestling with unmet longings and searching for joy between the gap of what they want to see happen and what the actuals are of their everyday life. So, this book is going to be our gift to you when you give today.<\/p>\n<p>You can get your copy now with any donation by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com and clicking on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or feel free to give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329. The number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Or feel free to drop us a donation in the mail if you\u2019d like to. 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Elizabeth emphasizes practical steps and coping strategies on how to climb out of seasons of discontent and difficulty. Show Notes and Resources Connect with Elizabeth Woodson and catch more of her thoughts at her ...","meta_box":{"show_notes":"<p>Connect with Elizabeth Woodson and catch more of her thoughts at her <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thewoodsoninstitute.org\/\">website<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/pod.link\/1042740607\">podcast, Marked<\/a>.<br \/>\nAnd grab Elizabeth Woodson's book <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product\/embrace-your-life-how-to-find-joy-when-the-life-you-have-is-not-the-life-you-hoped-for\">Embrace Your Life<\/a> in our shop!<br \/>\nOr we'll send it at no cost to you with a donation of any size this week, as our way of <a>saying a huge \"Thank you!\" for partnering with us toward stronger families around the world.<\/a><br \/>\nIntrigued by today's episode? 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And sometimes, we do have unreasonable expectations. I think a life that is devoid of difficulty is an unreasonable expectation.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I was thinking\u2014two tests for a marriage\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014oh.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014these reveal the character of a person. How they handle prosperity\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014and\/or how they handle adversity.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Which one\u2019s harder?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Well, when you are in it, you are thinking it's definitely adversity. But, man, I\u2019ve seen more people fall away in prosperity.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: When adversity, trials, or hardship hit a person or a marriage, it's the test.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You find out what you are made of. Most marriages\u2014a lot of families\u2014when they go through really serious hardship, they don\u2019t make it. That\u2019s what we are going to talk about today.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I know. I\u2019m excited.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: We\u2019ve got Elizabeth Woodson with us. Her book is called Embrace Your Life. Elizabeth, welcome to FamilyLife. You\u2019ve never been here, right?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Never been here. I\u2019m excited to be here.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I love this subtitle.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Me, too.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Did you come up with it?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I did.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Everybody can relate to How to Find Joy When the Life You Have is Not the Life You Hoped For.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Everybody just thought: \u201cY--yes.! Y--yes., and Amen.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I wonder how many people think, \u201cI\u2019ve got the life I hoped for.\u201d No, most think, \u201cI wanted it, but\u2014the question is\u2014I don\u2019t have joy if I don\u2019t get it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Talk to us; how did this book come about?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I tell folks it came about for two reasons: one, it's just my own personal journey. Seasons of discontent; seasons of difficulty. I always tell people t\u2019s like you\u2019re in the valley, and the timer has run out on how long you wanted to be there. And God\u2019s saying, \u201cOh, no! We\u2019ve still got more time.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>And then, it was stories of working in ministry. I\u2019ve worked on staff at two different churches in my vocational ministry experience. I would have this chair in my office. People would come in\u2014it\u2019s this big ol\u2019 chair, a wingback chair\u2014and they would tell me their stories. Some of them were really great, and some of them were really hard.<\/p>\n<p>There were two types of people that would come in with the hard stories: those who, whether financial, or health, it\u2019s a relationship\u2014I worked in single's ministry, so it was a lot of relationship stories. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: But it was also, they were trying to press through. They were trying to make it. They were trying to still have a joyful attitude in the midst of their difficulty, and then, there was the other group where it was the same story all the time. I am a person that believes in giving people time to process. It just takes time to get through some stuff.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: But, year after year, I\u2019m hearing the same thing.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What do you mean, \u201cThe same thing?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I\u2019m hearing the same complaints about their situation\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014give us a few.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u201cIt\u2019s never going to get any better.\u201d I hear people talking about, \u201cOh, well this person did this thing however many years ago, and that\u2019s really the root of what I\u2019m going through right now.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So, really, its people pointing back to a past event, whether there\u2019s a broken relationship, it\u2019s financial difficulty, or it's a health issue, and they can\u2019t move forward because they can\u2019t get past what happened.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Again, you know, we have to process the things. But when people are just replaying the tape\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s as if you can see, \u201cOh, you're stuck. You\u2019re stuck.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I distinctly remember there was one girl I was talking to, and she was talking about a past broken relationship. She couldn\u2019t move forward and receive new relationships. She\u2019s a wonderful, wonderful woman, but she couldn\u2019t walk into that because of the bitterness and because of the brokenness. I was sad, because \u201cThere is so much that God has for you\u2014\"<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\"and you\u2019re going to miss it!\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014\u201cyou\u2019re going to miss it, because you can\u2019t get past.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Could she hear you?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: No. I tried to be encouraging, but there is a point at which the Lord and the Holy Spirit has to do that work in you (if we\u2019re receptive to it). Sometimes, we\u2019re not receptive to it\u2014fear and a lot of different reasons make it complicated.<\/p>\n<p>But that\u2019s why I wrote the book, because sometimes people need hooks to hang their hat on. \u201cElizabeth, how do I get out?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014yes., right.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u201cHow do I move forward?\u201d A lot of those stories and people were with me as I was writing the chapters of that book.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Have you ever gone through those times of adversity that you thought the same thing?\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014yes, we want to hear your story!<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014where you thought the same thing, \u201cThe timer has run out?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You were thinking, \u201cThat\u2019s it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Here\u2019s what I want to do: I want to bring a wingback chair in. [Laughter] You\u2019re sitting in it in your office\u2014in our office, and you're telling us your story.<\/p>\n<p>What was your story?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think one piece of my story is death and grief. Losing a lot of loved ones in a short period of time. Grief is, I would say, no respecter of man. It just pops up at the most inconvenient times. It\u2019s like, \u201cMan, I thought I would be past this. This is just really heavy, and I don\u2019t have what I need to function. I don\u2019t have what I need to present in this relationship, present on my job.\u201d You know, I\u2019m bursting into tears, and I\u2019ve got to excuse myself to go to the bathroom.<\/p>\n<p>It's like, \u201cLord, this is really hard. Why does it keep happening? And why in this season? And, why this person?\u201d So, it was just really sad. I remember, I moved to Dallas to be with my grandparents, and right before I moved, one of them passed away.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Hmm.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And then, right after I moved, probably about six or seven months, my grandmother was diagnosed with cancer and passed away four or five months later. I thought, \u201cLord, I\u2019ve uprooted my life to spend time\u2014and at this moment, you\u2019ve taken both grandparents to be with the Lord.\u201d It is those situations of adversity and difficulty. For me, it just is, \u201cLord, how?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another one for me is the pandemic. The pandemic really exacerbated, sometimes, my difficulties with depression. I was in my house. I live by myself. I\u2019m single; never married. I tell people I\u2019m wonderfully happy, but during the pandemic it was a little bit too much of me.<\/p>\n<p>I remember just being in my bed and weeping with the Lord: \u201cI long to be with people, and it\u2019s not happening at this moment,\u201d for obvious reasons. It was just this sadness that wouldn\u2019t go away. After other seasons of difficulty, I\u2019d say, \u201cElizabeth, you can\u2019t stay in this bed. You\u2019ve got to do something.\u201d It was in that moment that that book\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014oh, really?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014Let me take the stories and lessons that I\u2019ve given other people and put them on paper; how the Lord heals through the pages. I saw Him do that for me, bring healing. And again, mental illness is a complicated, difficult journey. The book is not a simple answer for that, but it is, \u201cHow I can find hope in those places?\u201d This might not go away, but I still believe that the gospel provides me with something that can sustain me and let me go find it.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: How did you\u2014I\u2019m sure it\u2019s multifaceted, but how did you get out of the bed?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I\u2019ve had friends, in a really simple way, say, \u201cI need you to put your feet on the floor. I need you to put some clothes on. [Laughter] I need you to take a bath. I need you to put some perfume on, and your day will be just that much better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It was just those simple things from other people who I reached out to in difficult times, and they\u2019ve said, \u201cI need you to practically do these things just today. We\u2019re not saying what you need to do tomorrow. We\u2019re not even saying what you need to do this evening, but just right now, I need you to do this, and this is going to lead you into a better place.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Even though you don\u2019t feel like it.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Even though you don\u2019t feel like it.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: --yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And it\u2019s in those moments, I listened to those people and the wisdom they\u2019ve given me to say, \u201cI\u2019m just going to do this one thing,\u201d and have enough energy to do the next step, and then the next step. It\u2019s one step at a time for me in those kinds of seasons.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And does it ever dip?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You feel like you crawl out, and you\u2019re on a journey\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014and then you find yourself back in the valley?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes, always.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think that\u2019s the aspect of\u2014our journey with the Lord, and our journey of healing, is just that. And so, journeys, sometimes you\u2019ll have a great few weeks, you\u2019ll have a great few months, you\u2019ll have a great year, and then something happens.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And so, for me, it\u2019s always, \u201cCan I give myself grace in that place?\u201d The Lord doesn\u2019t expect us to be perfect, but He expects us to be faithful. But then, also, is my response time a little bit shorter than it was before?<\/p>\n<p>I think sometimes we want the Lord to change us really quickly.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes, we do!<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014and He does it slowly, over time.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes! \u201cLord, come on!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: That\u2019s the whole point! The Lord is with me. He loves me. He has grace for me. He\u2019s not abandoning me. He\u2019s not disappointed with me. So, let me love myself the way He loves me. And, in this moment, give myself the grace I need.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: When you say, \u201cembrace the journey,\u201d what do you mean?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: For me, it\u2019s, if I run, where am I going to go?<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Hmm.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: There eventually comes an end to which, all of the ways in which I want to ignore, the pain comes to.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think there\u2019s a frustration with that, as well\u2014whether it\u2019s comfort, whether it\u2019s control, whether it\u2019s approval\u2014I\u2019m going to run to a different relationship. I\u2019m going to run to Texas\u2019s gift to the world, which is Blue Bell\u00ae ice cream. [Laughter] I\u2019m going to run to that. Rocky Road. It does make some things better.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I do like that one. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: But in the end, it doesn\u2019t satisfy. So, I think there is this aspect of\u2014part of the reason I encourage us to embrace is, what you really long for can only come from the Lord. All that other stuff you are going to go to\u2014because you are going to go somewhere; all that other stuff\u2014is not going to satisfy you. It\u2019s going to leave you with additional habits\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014things that are easy and hard. Again, I want to emphasize it\u2019s not always a straight line.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s not always easy; but what the gospel provides is, that what your heart is yearning for, God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, can provide.<\/p>\n<p>And so, Embrace is, \u201cLord, I\u2019m going to walk with You through the journey, and I\u2019m going to take what You give. I\u2019m going to be empowered by You, and I\u2019m going to be healed by You. I\u2019m going to be strengthened by You and believe\u2014\u201d I think about the words of David: \u201cThe goodness of the Lord; I\u2019m going to find in the land of the living.\u201d [Psalm 27:13]<\/p>\n<p>I can thrive now. It might not happen today. It might not happen tomorrow; but it is possible for me because of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Any stories in particular that you can recall that you\u2019ve watched somebody really embrace a really hard situation?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes. I think about a friend of mine who had a chronic illness, and it was one where she needed a kidney transplant. She\u2019s my age, going in for dialysis. She thought, \u201cThis is not the life I signed up for.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, she\u2019s young.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: She\u2019s young. She is an actress [with] this very bubbly personality, super-charismatic; but she cannot live in that space. She\u2019s gifted in that. I see her continue to\u2014when she\u2019s not on dialysis, continue to\u2014try to show up for auditions, continue to try to work, to try to live, to try to do life with her family and the life\u2014<\/p>\n<p>For her story--her story has the blessing of a kidney transplant finally [coming] through. To be in the hospital with her when she got the news (because she was in the hospital for a medical difficulty related to her illness)\u2014to see that it\u2019s been a long road, and God\u2019s come through. To see the faithfulness of God; to me, those are things that anchor us.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: She\u2019s seen the faithfulness of God in small ways, but she saw it in a really big way. Her health is not perfect now, so it still requires her to show up and be present with God in His faithfulness. But to me, just to see someone labor for years in waiting on the Lord and to see their relationship with God transformed when they saw God come through. And she\u2019s still walking in that now. That\u2019s one story that sticks with me, because I was there\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014when she got the news. It was really fun to be a part of the journey with her.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Have you seen the opposite?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes. I\u2019ve seen it from afar, and I\u2019ve seen it up close. I think it\u2019s a moment of disappointment with the church and disappointment with God.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Stories of friends and their kids, or friends themselves, who say, \u201cThe Jesus I see in this world, I really don\u2019t want anything to do with. I\u2019m not sure what I still believe in but there's been too much harm done in the name of Christ, and I don\u2019t want to sign up for this anymore.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then, I've seen people waiting on the Lord, the timer ran out for them, and they chose to go find what they were desiring all along. It\u2019s been too much.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s been too long.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s been too long.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201cYou\u2019ve abandoned me,\u201d they feel like.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: What do you think\u2014I\u2019m asking both of you; what do you think\u2014the difference is in the ones who embrace pain and come out better, closer to the Lord, and others go through the exact same difficulty, and they\u2019re turned away?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014yes.Dave: \u2014because, if I\u2019m listening, I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t want to be this person; I want to be that person! What do I do? How do I embrace it?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: My thought is, I\u2019m thinking of one of my mentors in seminary. She was diagnosed with breast cancer. I remember saying to her, \u201cAre you mad? Are you mad at God?\u201d She was probably in her late forties. She said, \u201cHow can I be mad when God is the only place that I will find any kind of hope or help?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s like you said earlier, Elizabeth: \u201cWhat are my options?\u201d Because, if any of us have lived long enough, we\u2019ve tasted and seen when we try to go hide, or we get triggered and we try all of the ways in which we\u2019re just trying to escape any kind of pain. It just doesn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n<p>And yet, there\u2019s something about falling on your face before God over and over. Then, He takes our eyes off of ourselves, and He puts them somewhere else. I think when we are in the midst of pain, and we feel His presence\u2014and we don\u2019t always feel it! Sometimes, it's just an act of faith. But, for me, I get on my knees and say, \u201cLord, I\u2019m just going to be obedient today and do the things\u2014\u201d It's exactly what you said: \u201cI\u2019m going to put my feet on the floor. I\u2019m going to take a bath. I'm going to go take a walk.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But then, when you feel His presence, and when you're in the Word and it\u2019s still, \u201cUggh!\u201d Even this morning! My soul comes alive: \u201cThis is what I was made to do; to be with Him.\u201d What are your thoughts?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I think it's similar because, in those moments, you are making withdrawals from the deposits you\u2019ve made previously.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: If you\u2019re just showing up in a hard season, and the spiritual account is empty, it's going to be difficult because it's this process of remembrance; of, even though my feelings are telling me, \u201cGod\u2019s abandoned me,\u201d \u201cHe\u2019s not good,\u201d or even some of the ways in which our suffering gets twisted: \u201cGod is punishing me for something that happened twenty years ago.\u201d There\u2019s all this stuff people hear in church. So, we can start to think things that are not true.<\/p>\n<p>But if we have been internalizing the character of God, the stories in which He has delivered people of Scripture, the testimonies of believers today\u2014that\u2019s why I love people sharing their stories. I need my heart to be emboldened based upon what God has done for you, because if He did it for you, He can do it for me.<\/p>\n<p>To me, it\u2019s that we\u2019re making those deposits. That\u2019s why we are in the Word. There are many reasons to be in the Word\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014yes\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014because it becomes easier for me to withdraw in those seasons of, \u201cOh, I don't have much to give; but, Lord, I know all of this to be true about You, and I\u2019m going to walk in that.\u201d And I always say, even for people who do leave and take that exit door, what I love about the Lord is, He doesn't move. He\u2019s always waiting.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: He\u2019s always there.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: He\u2019s always there. He\u2019s pursuing His people. The grace of journeys\u2014sometimes, even if we hop out of the room and hop back\u2014 [Laughter] God, in His grace, I think about the story of the prodigal son and the father. He just ran to his son. [Luke 15:11-32]<\/p>\n<p>Ann and Dave: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: And that\u2019s the image we would have for the Lord even in those seasons where it is difficult for us.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I love what you said about making the deposits before the storm. I remember Dr. Tony Evans, years ago, said, \u201cYou don\u2019t build a foundation for your house\u2014\"<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014\"in the storm!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014\"in the storm.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It\u2019s before the storm comes, so that it\u2019s going to stand.<\/p>\n<p>The thing I was thinking when you were talking about it, and even when I was reading your book is, expectations\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014and disappointment. You said\u2014at the very beginning, you talked about how many people say, \u201cI didn\u2019t sign up for this.\u201d How many people say, \u201cI didn\u2019t sign up for this?\u201d We work in the marriage space. That happens in almost every marriage. \u201cI didn\u2019t think it would be this hard. I did not sign up for this.\u201d So, you go into\u2014whether it\u2019s marriage or a job or, you name it, going to live with your grandparents\u2014you have these expectations.<\/p>\n<p>In Detroit, everybody knows about this, because every football season they have expectations that the Lions are going to\u2014maybe the Cowboys, the same thing. And then, when it doesn't work, people are throwing things and putting bags over their heads because we didn\u2019t come through like they expected.<\/p>\n<p>I think we do the same thing with life. Talk a little bit about that. Expectation and disappointment. How do you balance the two? Because disappointment is going to happen.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: It\u2019s going to happen! I always talk about how disappointment is the friend we don\u2019t want that just shows up every so often, because we just live in a fallen world and so, stuff just is not going to go the way we want it to. And sometimes, we have really good expectations about something. There\u2019s nothing wrong with the expectation that my marriage would be good and happy, or that I would have a relationship with my children that is full of joy.<\/p>\n<p>All these things that we expect to happen. Sometimes, we do have unreasonable expectations. I think a life that is devoid of difficulty is an unreasonable expectation, because Scripture points us so much to the difficulties we will find along the way. But are we willing to live with open hands? The problem comes when we hold our expectations so tightly that when they don\u2019t happen, it crushes us\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014instead of saying, \u201cLord, life is a good gift that You give, so when it doesn\u2019t match up to what I want, I know that You know better. Even if I don\u2019t understand why You would allow this to be included in my journey.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Okay, I\u2019m going to give you a scenario. As you were talking and sharing that, I thought, \u201cThis reminds me of this woman I met in this women\u2019s ministry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She\u2019s in her fifties, she has a child; she\u2019s single, and she\u2019s never been married. She\u2019s come up to me every month and she said, \u201cI\u2019m walking away from God.\u201d I said, \u201cWhy would you do that? You\u2019re fantastic. You\u2019re smart.\u201d She said, \u201cBecause He\u2019s not there for me. I\u2019ve been wanting to be married my entire life. I\u2019ve been asking Him to bring me a good man my entire life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: And you said, \u201cIt\u2019s overrated.\u201d [Laughter] \u201cYou know my husband, and it\u2019s overrated.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: [Laughter] \u201cI\u2019ve been here for a while, and that\u2019s not always it.\u201d She said, \u201cBut He doesn\u2019t love me. He doesn\u2019t listen to me. I don\u2019t make that great of an income, and I\u2019m in a job where nobody notices me, and I\u2019m tired of it.\u201d She actually ended up trying to take her life, and I saw her right after that.<\/p>\n<p>What would you say to that constant disappointment? She says, \u201cI\u2019ve been trying to walk with Him, but He has not delivered.\u201d She said, \u201cI have delivered. I\u2019ve done my part, but He hasn\u2019t done His part.\u201d I bet you\u2019ve heard that before.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Yes. Those situations are always super-sensitive, because the compounding impact of disappointment is just super, super-weighty.<\/p>\n<p>I like to point people, in the most gentle way I can, to, \u201cI know it feels like God hasn\u2019t shown up in any way, but let\u2019s go down memory lane.\u201d\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014that\u2019s good.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: \u2014\"Let\u2019s talk about some of the ways He has shown up.\u201d As we start to\u2014whether it\u2019s that morning He\u2019s showed up, and we go to the past month and the past year and the past few years\u2014all of a sudden, the heart softens just a little bit to realize, \u201cOh, maybe He hasn\u2019t fully kicked me to the curb. The goodness of God is in my life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s what disappointment does to us. It strips us of our vision and perspective.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Do you think the enemy is in that, too?<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: I do. I know the enemy would love for us to forget all of what God has [done]. Thinking back to Genesis 3 in the garden, as the enemy is talking to Eve and promising her that she will be like God if she would do this thing. The thing was, she was already like God because she was made in His image. We already have all we need because we are connected to God, but the enemy wants us to forget that.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth: Despair and disappointment make us forget; and remembering what God has done\u2014I always tell folks, \u201cIf there is breath in your body, you are blessed.\u201d So, if we remember, it doesn\u2019t make the disappointment fully go away, but maybe all of what I\u2019m thinking about God\u2014I need to come back to that, because He is showing up. What does that mean about who He is and what He is doing in my life and what He can do? If He\u2019s done those past things, He can do some future things.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: That\u2019s really good.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That sounds like\u2014if I\u2019m listening, and I\u2019m struggling\u2014you just gave me step one. That\u2019s something I can do right here, right now, today: open the Word and get another glimpse of who He is.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Think about Scripture\u2014\"Let me remind you of the faithfulness of God.\u201d Moses did that over and over: \u201cHe rescued us here; He came through here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019ve had a journal, go back in your journal, and see how God has rescued you. Maybe you start a journal, one of those \u201cgrateful\u201d journals. Maybe say, \u201cGod, maybe my eyes haven\u2019t been seeing the faithfulness that you bestowed but help me to remember today and go back and even tell my family, \u201cHere\u2019s how God has been present today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Elizabeth Woodson on FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>You know, remembering the past is one of the intentional ways I try to help my own heart in the present. I\u2019ve been on missionary teams before where we\u2019ve done this thing called an Ebeneezer jar. It\u2019s basically a big glass jar that we put in the middle of the room during one of our staff team meetings. We write down on little slips of paper all the ways that God\u2019s been faithful; things that we\u2019re thankful for, things where we\u2019ve seen Him show up, and things where we\u2019ve been intentionally grateful to Jesus for the fact that He has worked in our lives.<\/p>\n<p>We take the time to read those little pieces of paper out loud to the whole room, and then we throw them into the jar in the center of the room. We applaud and praise God for what He\u2019s done. It\u2019s really cool to see that jar fill up over time. It\u2019s really a testament to how God has worked in the past, so that we can remember in the present that He is faithful. And as we look to the future, we\u2019ll know that He\u2019s going to be there, too.<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth Woodson has written a book called Embrace Your Life: How to Find Joy When the Life You Have is Not the Life You Hoped For. I think, probably, everybody can relate to that in some form or fashion: \u201cIt\u2019s not turning out the way I wanted it to.\u201d The book is for anyone who is wrestling with unmet longings and searching for joy between the gap of what they want to see happen and what the actuals are of their everyday life. So, this book is going to be our gift to you when you give today.<\/p>\n<p>You can get your copy now with any donation by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com and clicking on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or feel free to give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329. The number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Or feel free to drop us a donation in the mail if you\u2019d like to. Our address is:<\/p>\n<p>FamilyLife<\/p>\n<p>100 Lake Hart Drive<\/p>\n<p>Orlando, Florida 32832<\/p>\n<p>Now, tomorrow, how do you embrace peace, hope, and community during life\u2019s challenges, when things are super, super hard? Elizabeth Woodson is going to be back with Dave and Ann Wilson tomorrow to unpack that for us.<\/p>\n<p>On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. We will see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>FamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry.<\/p>\n<p>Helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.<\/p>\n<p>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs?<\/p>\n<p>Copyright \u00a9 2024 FamilyLife. 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