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Before we get started with today\u2019s program, I want you to pause and imagine yourself, with your spouse, sitting on two deck chairs in a very warm and beautiful environment on a cruise ship in the middle of the Caribbean. After you\u2019re done, hanging out with your spouse and relaxing\u2014getting some sun\u2014you head over and have a romantic dinner together. Then, you go and hear an amazing message that helps to encourage you in loving your spouse and walking with God.<\/p>\n<p>What am I talking about? I\u2019m talking about the 2025 Love Like You Mean It\u00ae marriage cruise. We\u2019re having a sale right now, and it\u2019s a great time to save big on this incredibly unique environment to enjoy working on your marriage, being intentional in your walk with God, and doing it all in places like the Dominican Republic; Puerto Rico; Saint Thomas; and Miami, Florida. If that sounds interesting to you, head over to LoveLikeYouMeanItCruise.com or you can check out the link in today\u2019s show notes.<\/p>\n<p>Alright, let\u2019s get to the program.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: We were living on feelings; everything was about how Tim made me feel. I wasn\u2019t going to be depressed anymore because he was going to make me happy\u2014all the things I was feeling before\u2014he thought I was going to change him. The marriage didn\u2019t fix that.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Alright; I feel like we\u2019re in the middle of a miniseries. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I know! And we just ended the first episode.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It\u2019s like Netflix\u00ae. [Laughter] We\u2019re binging\u2014episode 1 just ended\u2014and everybody\u2019s thinking, \u201cI can\u2019t wait until tomorrow!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201cWhat happens?!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Well, today is here\u2014tomorrow is here\u2014we\u2019re back with Tim and Kathy Bush. I can\u2019t even recap yesterday. [Laughter] You just have to go back if you missed it. I\u2019d say, \u201cHit pause now; go back and listen to Day 1; and then, come back\u201d; because we heard a lot of Tim\u2019s story in the middle of Tim and Kathy\u2019s marriage.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And we started out hearing pretty much when you guys were at the bottom of your lives and your marriage. You had three adult kids that had already been out of the house. You pretty much given up on your marriage. You\u2019re right: got to hear Tim\u2019s story, which was super brave of him to share. Their book is called Sex on the First Date, which is an interesting title. The subtitle is: Our Story of a Broken Beginning to a Radically Transformed Marriage.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: That\u2019s like a soap opera.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It reads a little bit that way; but the truth is: you\u2019re real people.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: There\u2019s not even an exaggeration, and it feels like there should be.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Most stories like this don\u2019t end well. They\u2019re not sitting where you are sitting.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: This is the hope of the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Our listeners have got to hear the journey; we\u2019ve got to know the darkness so we understand the light.<\/p>\n<p>Church-girl meets playboy\u2014whatever you want to call Tim\u2014[Laughter], and how did that start?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: When you say, \u201cchurch-girl,\u201d all that meant was I attended church. I was raised in a family of seven children; we went to church on Sundays. I remember I would say, at that point, I believed in God and I even believed that Jesus died for my sins. I felt like I believed that, but there was not much more than that. I do remember, throughout my life as a child, I remember talking to God in my desperate moments.<\/p>\n<p>I remember my family was pretty normal; but then, I think I was also raised in a family where all of the girls in the family\u2014what was going to happen was\u2014we were going to find a man, and we were going to get married. There wasn\u2019t talk about anything more than that. I was okay with that because I saw my mom being a mom. I was okay with getting married, but I had to find a man. I started dating at 16; I also started drinking because, in order to be with a guy and have anything to say or have any courage, I would need to drink. There was drinking and dating. Every guy I dated I thought could be a possible husband, especially at 16. I started dating a guy for a couple of years; I thought I was going to marry him. I thought that would be okay; I thought that I would be satisfied with that.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: How did you and Tim meet?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: We met through my sister and Tim\u2019s brother; they got us together. I remember my sister saying\u2014she told me about Tim\u2014and said that he would spend a lot of money on me, and he would take me to a nice restaurant. He had a house, and he had cars; because I had heard about Tim and his reputation. Even though my reputation wasn\u2019t that great, I just didn\u2019t\/I wasn\u2019t sure about Tim; I did say, \u201cOkay, I\u2019ll go out with him.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: She came to a party at my house. I asked her to go out on a date; she said, \u201cYes.\u201d I knew I had to meet her dad\u2014which her dad was an immigration officer; carried a gun\u2014I had no intention of having sex with her. Even though that was my M.O. [modus operandi]\u2014kind of who I was\u2014because I just thought that was normal. I really thought it was normal back then. I didn\u2019t really know any other way of doing it.<\/p>\n<p>I went to her\u2014shook her dad\u2019s hand\u2014said, \u201cI\u2019ll take really good care of your daughter.\u201d He asked me where we were going. I said, \u201cPizza and movie.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat time do you want her home?\u201d He said, \u201cOne o\u2019clock in the morning.\u201d I thought, \u201cThis is great.\u201d I didn\u2019t think anything of it. We got to the car; I opened the door for her, which I found out later she really liked. We drove to Portland to Old Town Pizza. We came back to the Andreson Drive-in.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: But what was interesting: when we went to Old Town Pizza, Tim had a fake ID. Here I am, 18, and he gets a pitcher of beer and pours me a glass of beer. I thought, \u201cWow! This is kind of cool.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I have kind of a tolerance; I can drink beer. But I found out, after Kathy had about a quarter of a beer\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I have no tolerance.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014she was getting a little loopy. I thought, \u201cOh, oh!\u201d When we, literally, walked out of that pizza parlor, heading to the movie, she had her hands on me. I thought, \u201cWell, this wasn\u2019t scheduled\u201d; I wasn\u2019t planning on this, but how do you fight it off? We went to the drive-in in the car and sex on the first date in the backseat.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: But then, after that, I fell in love with Tim really fast. I felt like he fell in love. We couldn\u2019t talk enough on the phone.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I went home that night and told my roommate\u2014which I didn\u2019t tell Kath until we were married about 35 years\u2014that, \u201cThis is the girl I\u2019m going to marry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I\u2019m trying to get my head around this: you go on your first date; you, basically, fall in love. You think, \u201cI\u2019m going to marry her.\u201d How soon, then, did you get married?<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Well, five months and five days,\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: [Laughter]\u2014from our first\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014from our first date, we got married.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Five months and five days because\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Because Kath, on about the three-month period,\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014because I got pregnant.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014Kath got pregnant, which caused\u2014when Kath told me she was pregnant\u2014I immediately saw I wanted this baby to have a name. That\u2019s why I told her: \u201cKathy, you don\u2019t have to marry me\u201d; I said, \u201cI want to marry you.\u201d So we did.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: How old were you, Kathy?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I was 18.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You\u2019re 18.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I was a senior in high school. I was like, \u201cWhoo-hoo! I get to drop out of high school.\u201d I hated school so bad; it was my ticket out.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Now, you\u2019re going to be a mom.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: On your honeymoon, are you guys excited? Are you like, \u201cThis is one of the best things we ever did,\u201d or\u2014?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I remember feeling excited as we left the church. I was thinking, \u201cThis is so cool. I don\u2019t have to go back to my mom and dad.\u201d Because we were living on feelings; everything was about how Tim made me feel. I wasn\u2019t going to be depressed anymore because he was going to make me happy\u2014all the things I was feeling before\u2014he thought I was going to change him. The marriage didn\u2019t fix that.<\/p>\n<p>I remember, when we went on our honeymoon, kind of having this sinking feeling\u2014kind of that depressing feeling\u2014like, \u201cWhat did we do here?\u201d I didn\u2019t know Tim.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Kind of like, \u201cAww; it didn\u2019t work. This didn\u2019t fill the hole in my soul.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes! Right! \u201cI\u2019m not extremely excited right now.\u201d And also, now I\u2019m pregnant\u2014so now the fun that we had together with the drinking\u2014I\u2019m not drinking anymore. He\u2019s on his own with the drinking.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Actually, the couple of months before we got married\u2014the last two months of our dating, we\u2019ll call it\u2014I was still sowing wild oats, because she wasn\u2019t fun anymore. I still wanted to marry her; I realized, once, I could do this until the wedding night. Once the wedding night happened, I couldn\u2019t do that stuff anymore. I wanted to make sure and get all that wildness out of me, so it wouldn\u2019t be there after we got married.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: You thought it was going to change\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014I did think it was going to change.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014right away, because he was going to get sex nine times a day. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Yes, I was going to get sex as often as I wanted. I had an expectation: \u201cKath will take care of all my needs.\u201d There would be nothing she wouldn\u2019t take care of for me. I found out, on my honeymoon, that wasn\u2019t the case. [Laughter] We both pretty much felt like we made a mistake on the wedding night.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Did you talk about it, like, \u201cWe made a mistake\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: No, no. We didn\u2019t talk about it with each other; we didn\u2019t talk about it with other people. We just kind of sucked it up; went on with our life.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I did get a hotel with a kitchen\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014thinking I was going to cook on the honeymoon.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014expecting Kath would cook. [Laughter] But she didn\u2019t know how to cook.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014on the honeymoon?!<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: On the honeymoon, he got a kitchen;\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014what?!<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014bought groceries. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Got a cooler with groceries in it. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I remember thinking, \u201cDoes he think I\u2019m going to cook on the honeymoon?\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Tim: So, I made poached eggs on our first morning. I made poached eggs; that\u2019s what we had. We had pizza on our wedding night, on the way there. [Laughter] I didn\u2019t even know Kath\u2014didn\u2019t know until years later; I didn\u2019t even know Kath\u2014didn\u2019t like the Oregon coast.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I didn\u2019t like it. He didn\u2019t ask me.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: It was what I could afford, so I just did what I could do. We did what I wanted because I was selfish.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: So welcome to the next 25 years of continued drinking, continued cheating;\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014yes, pretty much 27 years\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014more pregnancies.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: More pregnancies, yes. I had our three kids before I was twenty-one.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes, so you were kids.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I was [a kid], and I was with kids. I was busy. That kept me going; I was taking care of all the home things. Tim was working and providing.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u201475-80 hours a week.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014which is what I thought a husband did. I thought, \u201cThis is what a wife does.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s interesting: one of the things I love about your book is that you have videos that you have inserted throughout. How many did you say?<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Eight total.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Eight total videos. And to hear your kids talk about this time in your marriage in those videos was pretty fascinating.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I just watched one a couple of days ago. TJ, your oldest, is\u2014not your oldest; your second oldest\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Tim and Kathy: Nolan.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014is saying, \u201cThey fought every night, drinking every night; we just figured they were going to get a divorce any day.\u201d That was their reality in your home for much of their growing up, right?<\/p>\n<p>Tim and Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: That\u2019s where you were.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: And then, you hit bottom\u2014that we just shared\u2014if you didn\u2019t hear that, go back and hear\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014Episode 1, first 15 minutes of the show.<\/p>\n<p>Okay, when does this thing turn? [Laughter] Because it\u2019s spiraling into a bad place\u2014we all see it, and you know it\u2014but here you are! So what happened?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Kathy, you had confessed to Tim pretty much everything you had done with other men.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes, yes; so we are at rock bottom then. As I said, I begged him\u2014our daughter had been seeing a counselor\/a Christian counselor\u2014I told him\/I said, \u201cWe\u2019ll go see her. She has a husband, who is a counselor, too; so you can see him; I\u2019ll go see her.\u201d We did that\u2014I made the phone call\u2014we got in right away. I\u2019m not sure if all four of us met at first\u2014I saw her; Tim went to him\u2014and then, the four of us would come together.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014for two years.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: For two years we did this counseling.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, so this is why you said \u201c27 years\u201d you walked through this.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: We had many counseling sessions before with multiple people.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: One counselor really helped us back in our nine-year part but the others didn\u2019t really.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: But the behavior of the marriage was not changing; because there was\u2014even though, throughout all this time, through the counselors and through all these things we were trying to do to fix our marriage\u2014because we would\u2014that\u2019s the thing with Tim and me: we wanted our marriage to be good; if we were going to be married, we wanted it to be good; so we would go see counselors. We went to self-help conferences. But this two-year process was the start of it\/the start of really digging deep into our marriage.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Before, I wanted the counselors to fix Kath; because I didn\u2019t have any problems. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It was all about me. And this sorted out\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014he didn\u2019t have any baggage or anything.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: No.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You didn\u2019t bring anything into the marriage. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: For those two years, we worked through the stuff in our marriage. What\u2019s interesting\u2014I found out after those two years\u2014Tim still had not shared all the things he needed to share. I felt healed; I really felt healed\u2014because I felt we had talked about everything; I had shared everything with her\u2014and I got to the place, where I actually told the counselor, \u201cI think we\u2019re done. There\u2019s really nothing else to talk about.\u201d We did that for two years; and then, this is the place where Tim hits rock bottom.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, what happened, Tim? I know\u2014well, I read it\u2014tell us how you got there.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Well, I think it was\u2014it says in the Bible, I think three places; pastor, maybe you know better\u2014that every knee will bow. This was a knee-bowing moment.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014bowing to Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Yes, bowing to Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201c\u2026every tongue will confess\u2026\u201d [Philippians 2:10-11]<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I did not have\/this was a time, where no matter what I did, I couldn\u2019t work my way out of it. I remember, in 2006\/2007, those were the best financial years of our lives\u2014we\u2019re making seven figures\u2014everything is going really good: on fire; cash back; I got some control going on in my mind; things were getting back.<\/p>\n<p>And then, I remember, in \u201808\/in the middle of \u201908, my brother, Ned, is limping across a field of ten acres where we are building buildings. I\u2019m building my own kingdom, what I call here on earth; he was a part of it. I was really excited about him being a part of it, because we had been disconnected\u2014which we talk about in the book\u2014we were disconnected for a number of years because of a miscommunication. We were in a good spot [at that time]: him and me. I saw him limping; I called him on his phone: \u201cBro, what\u2019s going on?\u201d He said, \u201cI don\u2019t know. It\u2019s a funny little thing.\u201d Well, this went on to a couple of different things, where finally, he went to the doctor. The doctor said, \u201cI recommend we do some kind of a scan on your brain.\u201d They found a spot in the back of his head. The spot, they thought, was probably MS; but they had to do a biopsy to find out for sure.<\/p>\n<p>His wife and I both recommended that he do that, even though there was some potential danger in it; he did that. Kath was gone to an aesthetics conference in Istanbul, Turkey. I went to the neurosurgeon with my brother and his wife\u2014sat in there\u2014and the neurosurgeon\u2019s said, \u201cNed, I don\u2019t know how to tell you this other than to tell you: \u2018Get your affairs in order; you have stage 4 glioblastoma, and you are going to die.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ned said, \u201cThat\u2019s a heck of a note\u201d; and stood up. He never worked again; I can tell you that. I immediately wanted to know how I could help him. He wanted to do the standard of care and do things to have the best quality of life that he could have. This was in the summer of \u201908. A friend of his asked for us to meet with him down at the river. My brother got baptized. I watched it happen, and I watched three other guys get baptized with him; it was really cool. They asked me if I wanted to; I said, \u201cNo; I\u2019m good. I was baptized as a kid. I\u2019ll take pictures of you guys.\u201d Those pictures are also going to be in those videos that are in the book.<\/p>\n<p>It was really quite a time with my brother. He went into hospice before Thanksgiving. During that time, too, our nephew took his life. It changed our family; I mean, our whole family was broken\/completely broken, where we didn\u2019t know what to do. None of us could work; it was just a mess. At his funeral, I felt myself getting sick. I had been having anxiety over the years\u2014for 25 years\u2014once in a while. I would just either work out, or drink, or both; and that would take care of the anxiety.<\/p>\n<p>But this was different; it just wouldn\u2019t let go; it just couldn\u2019t get better. And then, December of \u201908, I didn\u2019t sleep the whole month.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: With no sleep\u2014and I don\u2019t know if you will recall\u2014but \u201908 was also when the economy changed. The bank, that I was building this kingdom, went into receivership; they called all of our loans. I had no bank; and all of a sudden, I couldn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n<p>I was back with my counselor, and he thought maybe there was something to do with the abuse when I was a kid. He gave me some ways to deal with it, and I tried to do that; it still wasn\u2019t working. I was thinking about suicide at this point. I talked to my insurance agent: \u201cHey, I\u2019ve got a guy, [whom] I know, that I think might want to commit suicide. How long does it take for life insurance to be in effect?\u201d He said, \u201cWell, a year.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I had been two years [of being sick], so I knew I was good\u2014I didn\u2019t tell him that\u2014I told him later that was my reason for calling. I wanted to find out, because I felt like I could help my family one last time; they could have a couple of million dollars. I could manipulate things one last time and take care of my family; that was how I was going to do it. I was so sick at this time.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Were you scared, Kathy?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I don\u2019t know if scared was the word. What happened at that point\u2014we talked about how Tim was a controlling husband; well, all of a sudden, his control\u2014I\u2019m watching all the things that he was controlling\u2014he can\u2019t control anymore. I really thought it was because his brother was sick, and he couldn\u2019t fix it.<\/p>\n<p>But the sicker Tim got, it was like, all of a sudden, that wife\u2014that I depended on Tim for everything\/to do everything to take care of me in every circumstance\u2014all of a sudden, I had to take care of Tim. I wasn\u2019t scared; I stepped up.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You kicked it in.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I kicked it in. I had no idea I even had it in me. I had my own business at the time; I had a little spa. I would go to work, and I would be with my client in the treatment room. I would come out\u2014I had a waiting room\u2014and Tim would be sitting in the waiting room, waiting for me.<\/p>\n<p>At home, I\u2019d be in the laundry room\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I couldn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: No, he couldn\u2019t work. I\u2019d be in the laundry room; I\u2019d turn around; he\u2019d be standing there, because I was like his blanket. I had to be with him; I had to take him to hospice to go visit his brother. And then, he had nothing to say to his brother; I would kind of coach him: \u201cMaybe, you could do this\u2026\u201d \u201cMaybe, you could say this\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I stepped up in the marriage. I think watching Tim\u2014and it wasn\u2019t even [physically]; it was even mental\u2014I mean, I had to call the kids at work and had to tell them that Dad couldn\u2019t come to work: \u201cHe can\u2019t talk to bankers; he can\u2019t make any business decisions; he\u2019s not mentally thinking right.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>During this process, too, I\u2019m watching him drink alcohol. I\u2019m trying to help him with natural anxiety stuff\u2014because I don\u2019t want\u2014I knew, if he goes to a psychiatrist, they are going to put him on drugs. But he keeps getting worse. It comes to a point where his friend from Boise calls me and says, \u201cIf you don\u2019t get him to a psychiatrist, I\u2019m going to drive down there and take him.\u201d I finally took Tim to a psychiatrist.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014which got me some sleep so I could start to think.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It got him some sleep.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: They were heavy-duty drugs.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: But it wasn\u2019t the answer; it wasn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I did go down to buy a Bible from the local Bible bookstore. I was reading<\/p>\n<p>70 pages of the Bible a night: whiskey in one hand; the Bible in the other. I still have that Bible today, but I didn\u2019t get anything from it.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I remember watching him; he was like thumbing through it, like he was speed reading\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014[asking] \u201cWhere\u2019s God?\u201d \u201cWhere\u2019s God?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You\u2019re looking for Him.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Yes, I\u2019m looking for Him.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes, like he\u2019s waiting for a\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You had one source in one hand:\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes, yes!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cIs He in pleasure?\u201d \u201cIs He in this book?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: We\u2019re at the end of Day 2. People are [thinking], \u201cSo what happened?\u201d [Laughter] What happened: you\u2019ve got to hear tomorrow. You\u2019ve got to hear this, because the next step: your whole life is different.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It\u2019s interesting that you bought a Bible, too, you know? Because you\u2019re looking\/you\u2019re looking for peace somewhere.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: You know, it\u2019s interesting what Ann said just now: \u201cYou\u2019re looking for peace somewhere.\u201d Isn\u2019t that true for all of us? If you\u2019re honest with yourself, you\u2019re looking for peace, too. The question is: \u201cWhere are you going to search for it?\u201d and \u201cIn your searching, will you find it in any other place than the person of Jesus, our Prince of peace?\u201d I can\u2019t wait to hear more from Tim and Kathy tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Tim and Kathy Bush on FamilyLife Today. The Bushes have written a book called Sex on the First Date, a very provocative title; but it\u2019s the story of the broken beginnings of their marriage and how God radically transformed their relationship. If you want to read more about that, you can get a copy of their book, Sex on the First Date, by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can find it in the show notes. Or just give us a call at 800-358-6329 to request your copy. Again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>You know, if you\u2019ve been listening to FamilyLife Today for many years now, you will remember, of course, Bob Lepine. He was the one who was the voice of FamilyLife Today for 30 years, and he was the one who trained me. We just love him so much. Not only is he a gifted communicator through spoken word, he has also written a book called 12 Things You (Probably) Didn\u2019t Know About Easter. Easter is only about a week and a half away, and this book will really help you discover the 12 kind of weird and wonderful facts about the resurrection, about Easter\u2014spanning all the way from its origins up through present day\u2014to really show the enduring significance of Easter that we need to hear about, as Christians today.<\/p>\n<p>This book that Bob Lepine has written is going to be our gift to you when you give today to FamilyLife\u00ae. You can get your copy, right now, with any donation you decide to make. You simply go online to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or you can give us a call with your donation at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHow is the story going to end?\u201d is my question. Tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about numbness and anger to emotional burnout in relationships. Tim and Kathy Bush are back to unpack more of their story of how God continued to work. We hope you\u2019ll join us for that tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. We will see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>FamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife, a Cru\u00ae Ministry.<\/p>\n<p>Helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.<\/p>\n<p>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs?<\/p>\n<p>Copyright \u00a9 2024 FamilyLife. 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