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Before we get started with today\u2019s program, I want you to pause and imagine yourself with your spouse sitting on two deck chairs in a warm and beautiful environment on a cruise ship in the middle of the Caribbean.<\/p>\n<p>After you\u2019re done hanging out with your spouse and relaxing, getting some sun, you head over and have a romantic dinner together. Then you go and hear an amazing message that helps to encourage you in loving your spouse and walking with God.<\/p>\n<p>What am I talking about? I\u2019m talking about the 2025 Love Like You Mean It\u00ae marriage cruise. We\u2019re having a sale right now, and it\u2019s a great time to save big on this incredibly unique environment to enjoy working on your marriage, being intentional in your walk with God, and doing it all in places like the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, St. Thomas, and Miami, Florida.<\/p>\n<p>If that sounds interesting to you, head over to LoveLikeYouMeanItCruise.com, or you can check out the link in today\u2019s show notes.<\/p>\n<p>Alright, let\u2019s get to the program.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: We\u2019re brand new at this church and I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not getting up in front of people and sharing our story.\u201d At first, I said, \u201cYou can do this on your own.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim said, \u201cI can\u2019t do it on my own.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \"Okay, I\u2019ll come with you; I\u2019ll sit with you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: She was my eye candy.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It was a six-week class so I sat with him the whole night. He facilitated iMarriage and shared a little bit of our story. We got in the car that night and I started telling him what he should have said, and I started telling him what he should say the next week. I felt the Holy Spirit saying, \u201cYou know what, Kathy, you have something to say and you can talk.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>This is FamilyLife Today!<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Part three of the mini-series\u2014[Laughter] \u2013on FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Oh, man! If you have not listened to the last two days, go back and listen because we are on the edge of suspense\u2014[Laughter]\u2014honestly.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Tim and Kathy Bush are back in the studio. They haven\u2019t left.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: They\u2019re our good friends.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: If you missed the last two days, go listen. But we started with the title of their book, Sex on the First Date. If that doesn\u2019t grab their attention, nothing will. You are thinking, \u201cWhat?\u201d Yes, that\u2019s on day one. Then the last two days have been the darkness that you guys lived in. Right at the end of yesterday, this little light appears through a book called the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>But we\u2019re still in the dark because, Tim, you were in depression and psychiatrists are giving you drugs to help you sleep. You can\u2019t even sleep.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Your brother had been really sick. Your nephew took his own life, and you are reeling. A guy that had all his ducks in a row and who knew where he was going and what he was doing, [and] you\u2019re totally lost, clinging to Kathy almost as a security blanket and a person that will help.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: The thing that really opened the world was very surprising. When I read it\u2014and I knew it\u2014but when I read it in your book I thought, \u201cWow! The power of confession is very important.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tell us what happened.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I had gone to a counselor\u2014Kath and I had been going to these counselors. In my case this had been\u2014I kept going over two years. Jake said, \u201cI think there are some things you haven\u2019t told me,\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I told him, \u201cI didn\u2019t tell you about my infidelity,\u201d so I told him about everything.<\/p>\n<p>He said, \u201cWow! You need to tell Kath.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cBut if I tell her, I\u2019ll lose her, and I really need her right now. I can\u2019t lose Kath.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I chose to go home and tell her. It was a very long conversation. She kept asking me, \u201cIs this all? Is this all? Is this all?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Finally, after a very long conversation I said, \u201cYes,\u201d and I went to hug her.<\/p>\n<p>She said, \u201cNo, no, no, we\u2019re not hugging. But I want you to know I\u2019m not going anywhere.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Her response was a response of grace.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You probably, because of your past, too, Tim, you probably expected abandonment.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I figured she was going to leave for sure. Why would she stay? Because all of these years\u2014there was 27 years of stuff that I needed to tell her.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Kathy, you had come clean with all of yours, and you probably thought, \u201cYou\u2019ve had every opportunity to share.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Why did you stay? What were you thinking in that moment? Because I know your mom or somebody told you, right, \u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014 \u201cDon\u2019t stay.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I think what happened was the state that Tim was in when he told me\u2014he was deep in anxiety, he was suffering, he was sick. There wasn\u2019t a minute during that confession that I thought, \u201cI\u2019m leaving.\u201d There wasn\u2019t even a second of that.<\/p>\n<p>What was happening was our marriage was making sense to me. It was like everything that had happened and that my confessions and the way I felt about our marriage, I almost felt like I was a little crazy thinking, \u201cWhy was this man continually taking me back after I was doing what I was doing?\u201d Well, he was doing the same thing so it was almost as if I was detached from my mind and my body because I was thinking in the distance \u201cOkay, now we can start from ground zero and we can get better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It probably offered you some hope.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It did.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: [You thought], \u201cWhy isn\u2019t this working,\u201d and now you\u2019re thinking, \u201cMaybe there\u2019s hope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Anybody [who said], \u201cKath should leave,\u201d they were right. I didn\u2019t deserve her to stay. I didn\u2019t deserve that. That was grace I didn\u2019t have coming.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Tim should have left me many times because of all the infidelity.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: But I can tell you with a couple of conversations that Kath and I had in that period of time, I felt unconditional love I had never felt before, and when my brother passed away on February 28 of 2009, I thought things were going to get better.<\/p>\n<p>We left to do our annual Mexico deal where I go down and serve on a board, and on the way down there, my anxiety didn\u2019t get better. It got worse. I was literally sweating, claustrophobic, wasn\u2019t even comfortable in my own shoes sitting in a first-class seat.<\/p>\n<p>As soon as they closed the door, I completely lost it. I [was] pouring down the alcohol, taking Xanax to get me down there just thinking it was going to get better. I know Kath thought things would get better, too.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I did; I thought it would get better.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Were you still reading your Bible?<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I was. But I\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Were you reading it together yet?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: No; we weren\u2019t reading it together at this point.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Because you weren\u2019t understanding it at that point.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I had asked a friend of mine because our psychiatrist guy, he would not give me more Xanax. He just [gave me enough] to go to Mexico and back on the airplane. I knew I could get it in Mexico, so I asked my friend to get me some. He went to Kath and said, \u201cWhy is Tim asking me for this?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: He wanted to know what was going on.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: But I was radically different than the guy he knew. I had known him for years. I was this in control, game on guy.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014confident.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It was interesting when we went to Mexico, I remember, we had been going for years and we were the life of the party with all the partiers there. We go this time and Tim is still drinking at this point but he\u2019s also on the board. He\u2019s a crucial member of the board and they look to Tim for things, but Tim wasn\u2019t there mentally. He was off. He would try to talk. I would watch him and it was like he was losing his mind.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019d come into a room and sit down, and everyone sat at the end of the table because they didn\u2019t know what to do with him. Bob said to me, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on with Tim? He wants me to get him drugs.\u201d I said, \u201cBob, if you don\u2019t get him something, he\u2019ll get it someplace else. I don\u2019t know what to do.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: He came to me and said, \u201cWould you consider reading the Bible? I\u2019ve been doing it, and it\u2019s been working for me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cDude, I am, 70 pages a night, whiskey in one hand, the Bible in the other. It\u2019s not doing anything for me.\u201d [Laughter] He said, \u201cWell, maybe you should consider slowing down a little bit. I\u2019ve been doing a thing called the Proverbs. I\u2019ve been reading one every day. Maybe just do that once a day.\u201d I said, \u201cYou know, I\u2019ll consider that.\u201d I didn\u2019t say I would. I just said that I would consider it. Literally a week or so later I came home and I said to Kath, \u201cWould you consider reading the Bible with me?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Let me tell you, that was the sexiest thing Tim had ever said to me.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Really? Why?<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It was just there was something in my heart when he said that to me. Because I can say that there were years before I would get a Bible and I would say, \u201cI\u2019m going to read the Bible.\u201d I\u2019d start in Genesis, and I\u2019d get halfway through, and I would quit. I didn\u2019t understand anything.<\/p>\n<p>When Tim said, \u201cWill you read the Bible with me?\u201d my heart melted. I looked at him [as if to say], \u201cOf course I will read the Bible with you.\u201d It was really the first godly [way] that Tim led me in our marriage.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: It was your first step toward God together as a couple.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: It\u2019s interesting, too, I was looking at my Bible at James 5; when you talk about your confession and you said, \u201cI\u2019m finally going to tell Kath everything.\u201d You already had, Kath. So, now it\u2019s what was in the dark is now in the light. James 5, I\u2019m sure you\u2019ve heard this passage, says, \u201cTherefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that\u2026\u201d What?<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u201c\u2026you may be healed.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201c\u2026you may be healed.\u201d We often think, \u201cThere\u2019s going to be this miraculous God\u2019s going to touch our body and our limbs and the cancer is going to go away.\u201d I think it\u2019s deeper than that.<\/p>\n<p>It could be that. That happens but I think it\u2019s like when you get the sin out and you share it, not just with God, because we\u2019re forgiven, and a lot of us stop there: \u201cI\u2019m forgiven; good.\u201d No, no, you\u2019ve got to tell somebody that you\u2019ve hurt or that needs to know. It could be your wife, could be your\u2014but you told Kath. I think that was the day you started healing.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I do, too.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You didn\u2019t sense it right in that second.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You hadn\u2019t given your lives to Christ but you were on the right path.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014on the right path.<\/p>\n<p>Kath: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: There was a\u2014we had to create space. I remember we started taking these products to lose weight, and there was a 28-day cleanse. You couldn\u2019t drink during the cleanse. [Laughter] So, we quit drinking. We\u2019re still reading the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>Then also the guy who walked my brother through his death at hospice, there every day\u2014I was so thankful for him\u2014Pastor Bill\u2014he said, \u201cI want you to go through grief counseling. I got a group.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cYou lost me at \u2018group.\u2019 I\u2019m not going to be in any kind of group, Bill, but I appreciate your asking me.\u201d [Laughter] He said, \u201cWhat if we did it one on one just like that?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019d do that. I\u2019d try it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We met three or four times, and then he said, \u201cYou know, Tim, I need to bring you in here and close the door this time. Are you comfortable with that?\u201d I said, \u201cYes,\u201d because I was actually feeling better; no drinking, reading the Bible. He\u2019s walking me through grief counseling.<\/p>\n<p>I remember he closed the door and he said, \u201cTim, I could lose my job for this. I have been a pastor for 40 years. I\u2019ve never had this conversation with another person and I think it\u2019s from the Lord.\u201d He said, \u201cTim, the Lord has a calling on your life and it\u2019s a big calling and it\u2019s not here. You need to go find yourself a Jesus-loving, Bible-teaching church and figure out what that calling is.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>You guys, I didn\u2019t know what a calling was. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You\u2019re thinking, \u201cWhat\u2019s that?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I went home. I went to the church girl. I went home to Kath; I said, \u201cDo you know what a calling is?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: First you told me what he said, and then you said, \u201cDo you know what a calling is?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cNo, I don\u2019t know. But that sounds good. Let\u2019s go find it.\u201d And I thought every church was a Jesus-loving, Bible-teaching church. I just thought that every church you went in was a Jesus-loving, Bible-teaching church and that everyone that was at church was going to go to heaven. I thought that was what it was.<\/p>\n<p>Kind of what you were just saying about we get to that place where we know that our sins are forgiven. I believed that Jesus forgave my sins. But if you stop there, there\u2019s nothing else. I think that\u2019s why I would confess to Tim, because I thought if I confessed but I never knew that you needed to turn around and change your way.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You would confess but you hadn\u2019t repented.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Right, but we never heard that.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: You didn\u2019t know what repentance was.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: We didn\u2019t know what repentance was.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: That was around April of 2009, and we started immediately looking for that church. We looked at several of them. Then we\u2014Kath went to a women\u2019s deal in Portland, Oregon, which was about three and a half hours from our house.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It was a women\u2019s conference and there were women up on stage. It was a Christian business. So, the women were up on stage and they were talking about Jesus and a personal relationship. This was foreign to me. We didn\u2019t say, \u201cJesus.\u201d People who said, \u201cJesus,\u201d were Jesus freaks.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: They were weird.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: They were weird. But there was something. We were reading the Bible and they\u2019re talking about Jesus and a personal relationship. I knew one of the women there lived in our area, so I went up to her and asked her about the church; I asked her what church she went to.<\/p>\n<p>We had heard of that church. Our niece had gone to that church. We had heard good things so I went home to Tim and I said, \u201cI think I found us a church.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I remember the first time we went to that church. We sat down, and they played this stuff called worship music. I did not like it. [Laughter] I got up and left Kath in the church by herself. I walked\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014he stood up and just walked out.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I walked out to the foyer\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014I said, \u201cWait, this is a Jesus-loving, Bible-teaching church.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I walked out to the foyer. There was a guy standing out there. We\u2019ll call him Jim. That was his name, but I won\u2019t say his last name. Jim said, \u201cWhat are you doing?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cThis music just isn\u2019t for me. I\u2019m not into this kind of music.\u201d He said, \u201cI think it is for you. Get your butt back in there.\u201d [Laughter] I love this guy. I know him now really well. He was an elder of the church.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It\u2019s funny because that guy is a quiet man. For him, God just totally used him to get Tim back in the seat.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I did definitely go back in. But the church we were going to, they were playing this Christmas concert. They said that it wasn\u2019t going to be a Chrisitan one. It was going to be a Christmas one but there was a hook to it. I didn\u2019t know exactly what that was but I knew what that hook meant.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know what I was expecting but I went there, went through the whole concert, and at the very end of the concert at the coliseum, which was a large event, they sang a song called the light house.<\/p>\n<p>That song played, and I literally felt the Holy Spirit come inside me during that song. I reached down to Kath and said, \u201cOur lives are going to be changed forever. We\u2019re going to go all in for Jesus. This is what we\u2019re going to do.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u201cWe\u2019re going to serve God the rest of our lives, and we\u2019re going to go to this church.\u201d Tears were coming out of his eyes. I knew; I thought, \u201cOur lives are going to be different.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cThis is a calling.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u201cThis is it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Well, we knew this\u2014we thought that\u2014it took us a while to find out our calling. But that was what we thought the calling\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes, it started right there.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014 was the church. But we didn\u2019t know there was more to a calling than even that.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: If you had to say\u2014if somebody came up to you guys and said, \u201cTim and Kathy, what\u2019s your calling?\u201d what would you say now?<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Our calling now is 100 percent to serve Jesus\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014to give hope.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014give hope\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014give hope to marriages.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: \u2014give hope to marriages by sharing our redemption story. We know God wants us to do that. That\u2019s our calling.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014and their hope is in Christ.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes, just like where you found your hope.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Tell our listeners how you do that, because you\u2019ve been doing it for how long now?<\/p>\n<p>Tim: The very first time was at that church. We used an Andy Stanley thing called iMarriage; the very first one.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I remember\u20142010?<\/p>\n<p>Tim: That would be 2011. Then we\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: This is Tim\u2019s grand idea of\u2014you know we\u2019re baby Christians\u2014we don\u2019t even know that we\u2019re baby Christians; we\u2019re Christians now\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I want even more. I\u2019m all in.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014Tim said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to start sharing our\u2014I feel like we need to start speaking into marriages. We need to share our story.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I said, \u201cWait; what?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: I asked the pastors, and they said, \u201cDo it. This is great.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: We\u2019re brand new at this church and I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not getting up in front of people and sharing our story. At first, I said, \u201cYou can do this on your own.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim said, \u201cI can\u2019t do it on my own.\u201d I said, \"Okay, I\u2019ll come with you. I\u2019ll sit with you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: She was my eye candy.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: It was a six-week class, so I sat with him the whole night. He facilitated iMarriage and shared a little bit of our story. We got in the car that night and I started telling him what he should have said and I started telling him what he should say the next week. I felt the Holy Spirit saying, \u201cYou know what, Kathy, you have something to say and you can talk.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: When we got the call to do it there Kath\u2019s negotiating factor was \u201cWe\u2019ll do this but\u2014\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: I said to Tim, \u201cOkay, if we\u2019re going to do this, we\u2019re going to do some things ourselves. We\u2019re going to get some experience; we\u2019re going to go to some marriage conferences so that we can see how things are done.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I Googled \u201cChristian Marriage Conference,\u201d and that\u2019s where I found Weekend to Remember\u00ae, and then I found the Love Like You Mean It cruise, so I signed us up for both. I told Tim, \u201cIf we\u2019re going to do this, we\u2019re going to go on a cruise.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Tim: We go to the Weekend to Remember in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho and we see\u2014we\u2019re going to use iMarriage for our first week in January. We\u2019re going to do it again. It\u2019s worked before. We\u2019re just going to do it again.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We were there, and they kept talking about this thing called Art of Marriage\u00ae. [We heard] little things at the Weekend to Remember. It was amazing when they talked about it.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Back to that, when we attended the Weekend to Remember, this is our first marriage conference where Tim and I were in a good place. We found Jesus; we know Jesus. We\u2019re growing in Him.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: Yet, we still have things to work through.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes. But we\u2019re sitting there and I\u2019m at peace thinking, \u201cWe have got it. We have been searching; we have been doing all these things, and Jesus was the answer.\u201d Hearing the message of the Weekend to Remember there was so much peace that washed over me.<\/p>\n<p>We were watching all the clips of the Art of Marriage, and that\u2019s when God worked in me. I knew at that moment that this was what we\u2019re called to do. He already knew but I wasn\u2019t 100 percent on until we attended the Weekend to Remember.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: We\u2019ve done marriage ministry for 40 plus years now. But when we stepped into your lives, you were already at the stage where you knew your calling and we got to watch it.<\/p>\n<p>The coolest thing is Satan had a plan\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: \u2014yes.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014and you let God override a plan of divorce and isolation and a broken legacy to allow Him to use you to create something. I was going to say, \u201ca beautiful legacy.\u201d But it isn\u2019t just your legacy. God is using you to change all these other legacies. A lot of it is because you are so honest with this story.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: I think one of the things I\u2019ve always loved about you [as I] watch you do a conference [is] you demonstrate prayer together and reading the Bible together. It reminds me of the verse we\u2019re doing\u2014<\/p>\n<p>Dave: \u2014Psalm 34:8.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: \u2014Psalm 34:8. It reminds me of that because it\u2019s a verse that we\u2019re talking about all year: \u201cTaste and see that the Lord is good!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>You guys demonstrate that you have tasted a lot of different things in your lives, but the best taste you\u2019ve had was seeing that the Lord is good. He demonstrated that in you and now you\u2019re demonstrating it all over the country and the world through your marriage.<\/p>\n<p>Well done, Tim and Kathy Bush!<\/p>\n<p>Tim: To God be the glory, you guys.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes, and it\u2019s the only thing that lasts. Everything else is temporary.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: I\u2019ve got to tell you: you inspire us.<\/p>\n<p>Ann: Yes, you do.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: We can get exhausted on the road. I know you do, too, when you\u2019re doing these things. We look at you guys saying, \u201cLook at what God is doing.\u201d You\u2019ve given it all, and it\u2019s so cool to see.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for being a partner with FamilyLife with your gifts and talents and finances. You are with us. We\u2019re teammates. You\u2019re ambassadors for this ministry, and it means a lot to us.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: It\u2019s a privilege to be a part of it.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes, it is.<\/p>\n<p>Tim: We love FamilyLife. We feel like part of the family.<\/p>\n<p>Kathy: Yes, we do. This is our family.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: You are.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking of being partners, not just with your gifts and time, because you give a lot of time\u2014I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve been to a FamilyLife event [where] you guys aren\u2019t there; it\u2019s awesome\u2014[Laughter] \u2013it gets us so excited to go\u2014but you\u2019ve financially given for years. Why?<\/p>\n<p>If somebody\u2019s out there listening and thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t know if I would or should. Why should I?\u201d What would you say?<\/p>\n<p>Tim: First off, I think God created marriage before the church. I believe\u2014I\u2019m not saying, \u201cDon\u2019t give to your church,\u201d because obviously we\u2019re supposed to give to the local church. But when we see the things that FamilyLife does and how it\u2019s changed our marriage and how they have partnered with us and even said, \u201cWe want to be your partner,\u201d and helped us along. We never felt like we were out alone. They have helped us equip other people. There has always been somebody that was a phone call away.<\/p>\n<p>To know that they are working in marriage, which is our calling, our passion, and our kids are part of that and our grandkids are part of that, and when you think of all the lives that this ministry touches and the legacies that this ministry touches, I don\u2019t know where you could invest your money better.<\/p>\n<p>Dave: Yes. We are grateful.<\/p>\n<p>Shelby: If you want to come alongside the Bushes and partner with us like [they have] to support things that are going to help change marriages for the glory of Jesus like The Art of Marriage that they mentioned, like FamilyLife Today, you can go online to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button to partner with us.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m Shelby Abbott and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson today with Tim and Kathy Bush on FamilyLife Today. Tim and Kathy have written a book called Sex on the First Date, a very provocative title. But it\u2019s really a story of a broken beginning to their relationship and how Jesus radically transformed their marriage.<\/p>\n<p>You can get a copy of their book by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com or you can find it in the show notes. Or you can give us a call at 800-358-6329. Again, that\u2019s 800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If you have been listening to FamilyLife Today for any amount of time over the past few years, you remember the beloved Bob Lepine. Bob is not only someone who has championed FamilyLife Today for so long and left an incredible legacy here on this program, [but] he\u2019s also an author and he\u2019s written a book called 12 Things You Probably Didn\u2019t Know About Easter.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we\u2019re about a week away from Easter. I\u2019m very excited for that. This book helps you explore the 12 weird and wonderful facts that Bob has come up with that span all the way from Easter\u2019s origins up through present day that show the enduring significance of Easter for all Christians.<\/p>\n<p>This book by Bob Lepine is going to be our gift to you when you give to FamilyLife Today. You can get your copy now with any donation that you make to FamilyLife. Just go online to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. Or you can give us a call with your donation at 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Feel free to drop us your donation in the mail if you\u2019d like, too. Our address is FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, Florida 32832. Just make sure to let us know that you\u2019d like a copy of Bob Lepine\u2019s book, 12 Things You Probably Didn\u2019t Know About Easter, when you send us your donation in the mail.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to ask you to pray for all the Weekend to Remember marriage events that are happening this weekend through Sunday. They\u2019re happening specifically in Anchorage, Chicago, the Poconos, and Seattle.<\/p>\n<p>There are over 40 events across the country still happening all this spring. There\u2019s still time to find a location near you. You can just go to WeekendtoRemember.com to find a date and location for you and your spouse to attend a Weekend to Remember marriage getaway.<\/p>\n<p>Now, coming up next week, Cody Wilson, Dave and Ann Wilson\u2019s very own son, is going to be with us talking about the fact that despite his early years of being exposed to the Christian faith, he felt an emptiness and inadequacy during his college years as a football player. He\u2019s going to talk frankly with his parents. We hope you\u2019ll join us next week for that.<\/p>\n<p>On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. We will see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p>FamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry.<\/p>\n<p>Helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.<\/p>\n<p>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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